1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the daily This is 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: the Daily OS. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: the Daily Ours. It's Friday, the twenty second of August. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: I'm Emma Gillespie. 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: I'm Lucy Tassel. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: The evidence tampering trial of an Aussie reality TV star 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: is currently underway in Darwin's Supreme Court. Matt Wright has 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: been accused of attempting to pervert the course of justice 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 2: following a twenty twenty two helicopter crash that left his 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: co star dead. The hearings have so far uncovered serious 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: allegations of cover ups and falsified records. So today we 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: are going to break down everything you need to know 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: about this case, right after a quick message from our sponsor. 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Emma. Before we get into the details of this trial, 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: can you tell the listeners a bit about Matt Right. 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: I think I recognized his name, probably just from the headlines. Yeah, 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: But who is at the center of this and what 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: do we need to know about him? So? 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: Matt Wright is a forty five year old crocodile wrangler. 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: He rose to prominence through a couple of reality TV 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: series and he's described as having this larger than life 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: personality as you can kind of expect from anyone who 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: works with crocs on TV, and he became known for 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: his work relocating crocodiles across Australia's outback. That was basically 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: what was portrayed on this national geographic TV show called 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: Outback Wrangler. So that ran from twenty eleven to twenty twenty, 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: pretty long running series, and more recently he's also start 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: in a show called Wild croc Territory that's been picked 30 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: up by Netflix. But it should be noted that this 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: Netflix series premiered after the current legal proceedings against him 32 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: were launched. 33 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: So then how did those proceedings begin? Because you mentioned 34 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: a fatal helicopter crash in your intro. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: YEP, So, as well as being this croc wrangling TV star, 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: Matt Wright is also a tourism operator. He'd been operating 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: multiple ventures in the Northern Territory, including a helicopter company 38 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: called helly Brook Now. On February twenty eight, twenty twenty two, 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: Wright's friend and co star his name was Chris Wilson 40 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: or Willow was his nickname. He was killed during a 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: crocodile egg collecting mission in West arnham Land on board 42 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: a helly Brook helicopter. So Wilson was suspended thirty meters 43 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: beneath the chopper and the craft crashed with him on it. 44 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: Wilson was discovered fatally wounded about forty meters from the 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: wreckage of the helicopter crash, and the pilot, a man 46 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: called Sebastian Robinson, was critically injured. He's actually now paraplegic 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: from that accident. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau found that 48 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: the helicopter likely crashed due to fuel exhaustion, so essentially 49 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: that it did not have enough petrol. 50 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: Okay, was right on board this helicopter. 51 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: No, so he actually wasn't on the chopper at the 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: time of the crash. He isn't accused of any matters 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: relating to the crash itself, but it was his company's 54 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: helicopter and it's really what Matt Wright did after this 55 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: incident that's in question in court now. 56 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: So he hasn't been accused of causing the crash or 57 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: anything to do with it. Really, what are these legal 58 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: proceedings then? 59 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: Yes, so the charges against Wright, as we've mentioned, don't 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: relate to the cause of the accident, and the prosecution 61 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: isn't alleging that he's responsible for either the crash or 62 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: Wilson's death, or even Robinson's injuries. Instead, though, prosecutors alleged 63 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: that Wright was worried that crash investigators would discover his 64 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: company was cutting corners, basically, that the crash would lead 65 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: to a bigger investigation that would uncover safety breaches. And 66 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: the prosecution's case is that tried to cover up these 67 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: alleged shortcuts and failures of the business Helli Brook after 68 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: the crash. 69 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: So what has he specifically been charged with? 70 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: So he's facing a few offenses, all relating to evidence tampering, 71 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: and trying to persuade witnesses. These alleged defenses occurred in 72 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: March and September twenty twenty two, so in the weeks 73 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: immediately after the crash and a couple of months later, 74 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: investigators claimed that Wright didn't properly record helicopter flying hours 75 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: across the business and was concerned that crash investigators were 76 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: going to find that out and that would potentially lead 77 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: to charges against him and his company. So specifically, prosecutors 78 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: alleged that Wright basically asked his team to torch maintenance records. 79 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: So he basically has been accused of lying about the 80 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: amount of fuel in the machines tank, that he tried 81 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: to get the injured pilot to manipulate flight records. The 82 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: prosecution really painting this picture of covering tracks of a 83 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: business that was not operating within the regular time expectations. 84 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: Okay, so now it's at a trial. What have we 85 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: heard from the trial so far? 86 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: So there's been this really prominent witness testimony from Sebastian 87 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: Robinson himself. So this is the pilot who survived the 88 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: crash but was left paraplegic, and he's been giving evidence 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: throughout the trial via video link from his wheelchair. Robinson 90 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: basically says he idolized Matt Wright. He had this high 91 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: profile boss and he really respected him, and Robinson has 92 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: kind of admitted to breaking aviation rules in order to 93 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: please him. Robinson told the court that if Wright said jump, 94 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: I'd say how high. When it came to following his instructions, 95 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: Robinson agreed that disconnecting flight hour recording meters and falsifying 96 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: paperwork to match that was a quote very common practice 97 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: at Hellybrook, and that that practice was at the direction 98 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: of Right that told the pilots to do stuff like that. 99 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, that's pretty damning testimony. What else has he 100 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: said about the actions after the crash, given that that's 101 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: kind of like the center of this case. 102 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Robinson, again the pilot, He testified that Wright 103 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: visited him in hospital about ten days after the crash 104 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: while he was heavily sedated, he was seriously injured, and 105 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: Wright allegedly asked him to manipulate flying our records and 106 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: to go through his phone and quote delete a few things. 107 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: Wow. 108 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: Robinson told the court he was quote scared and panicked 109 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: at the time, and he told right, quote I didn't 110 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: feel comfortable doing it. But Right allegedly visited him in 111 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: hospital multiple times with these kinds of requests. 112 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: That's a pretty powerful allegation. Obviously, there's always two sides 113 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: to a court case. What's the defense said about Wright's 114 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: actions during that time? 115 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: Yes, so the defense team has painted a very different 116 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: picture of Robinson the pilots. The lawyers of Matt Wright 117 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: claimed that this pilot was a coin using party animal. 118 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: To use their words, They suggest that he was the 119 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 2: kind of pilot that was constantly breaking aviation rules. Of 120 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: his own accord, including disconnecting meters falsifying records. There were 121 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: some text messages from Robinson's phone that were read out 122 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: in court showing that the defense argue he regularly used cocaine, 123 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: but Robinson denies ever flying any helicopter under the influence 124 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: of an illicit substance, So the defense is essentially arguing 125 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: that Robinson and his family have fabricated all these allegations 126 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: against Wright to protect Robinson for being blamed for the crash. Instead, 127 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: the defense have also put forward a witness one of 128 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: Wright's friends this week. His name is Ji Tomlinson. He's 129 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: been quizzed about the crash and writes actions in the 130 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: aftermath of it, and Tomlinson has either denied any suggestion 131 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: that Wright interfered with any documents or tried to cover 132 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: up evidence, or for questions he's been unable to or 133 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: provide detail on he has claimed memory issues have led 134 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: him to forget what happened. So he's kind of saying, 135 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: not sure about this or that because I have memory issues, 136 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 2: but the things I do remember show that Matt Wright 137 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: didn't do anything wrong. 138 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: Obviously, there's one person we can't hear from in this trial, 139 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: and that is the person who was killed. That's Chris Wilson. 140 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about him? 141 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: So, Chris Wilson was a thirty four year old father 142 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: of two, known as Willow to his friends. He was 143 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: a born and bred Territorian, a really experienced local. He 144 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: had worked in construction. He'd obviously worked with crocs and 145 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: he was also the managing director of the Northern Australia 146 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: Civil Company, so he worked in aviation and construction himself 147 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: as well as being this kind of wild croc man 148 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: that we see on TV. His wife Danielle, has been 149 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: present in court throughout the trials, so she's been sitting 150 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: on one side of the courtroom while right supporters and 151 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 2: his family have been watching from another and separately. This 152 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: is another interesting layer to this complicated case. Daniel Wilson, 153 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,239 Speaker 2: the widow of the man who died in the crash, 154 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: is also suing Matt Wright and his company hell Brook, 155 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: as well as the Civil Aviation Safety Authority in the 156 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 2: Federal Court over her husband's death. So there is separate 157 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: action going on about the actual crash itself. 158 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, what other witnesses have we heard from? 159 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: So a man called Mick Burns, who's been in the 160 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: crocodile egg collecting industry since the early two thousands. He 161 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: broke down on the stand talking about the fatal crash. 162 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 2: He was one of the first responders. He recalled rushing 163 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: to the scene discovering Wilson was dead. He actually escorted 164 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: Wilson's body back to Darwin and was one of the 165 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: people that broke the news to his family. The court 166 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: has heard from a former police officer, Neil Mellon, who 167 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: flew to the crash site with Matt Wright. All of 168 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: these witnesses are kind of there to help the jury 169 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: and the court pieced together those hours and weeks after 170 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: the crash. So much of this trial really depends on 171 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: this small window of time after the crash and you 172 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: know what went down, who was there, what was said, 173 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: and those really seem to be the puzzle pieces that 174 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: the prosecution is trying to put together through all these 175 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 2: witness testimonies. 176 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: Speaking of the prosecution, I don't know if you can 177 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: answer this, but this would be like the Crown is 178 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: what they would be representing. Yeah, so effectively representing the 179 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: people of Australia or kind of like the government in 180 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: a sense. 181 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: Ye the Northern Territory Crown. 182 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So then what do we know about 183 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: the defense because they obviously are representing Matt Wright. 184 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: So Right is represented by some pretty heavy hitters in 185 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: the legal world, it has to be said, and that 186 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 2: includes South Australian King's Council David Edwardson. He is the 187 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: lawyer who successfully defended former anti police officer Zachary Rolfe. 188 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: He was charged with murder over the death of Kumanjai Walker, 189 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: a First Nations man who died in police custody, and 190 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: those charges against rolf were dropped. So that was with 191 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: the Council or the legal representation of David Edwardson. Edwardson 192 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: told the jury in the case of Matt Wright, his 193 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 2: client that Right emphatically denies all allegations, and Edwardson warned 194 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: about the extraordinary amount of public interest in this case 195 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: and what that might mean for Right's right to a 196 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 2: fair trial. Edwardson said that there have been quote many 197 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 2: ill informed, if not scandalous opinions expressed in many different 198 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: forums from social media to commercial television. So the defense 199 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 2: strategy really appears to be about attacking the credibility of 200 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 2: key witnesses. Particularly the pilot and his family, as well 201 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: as questioning whether or not this is even a fair process. 202 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. If he's found guilty, what is going to 203 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: happen to him? 204 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: So the maximum sentence that Right is facing is fifteen 205 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: years behind bars. That's the maximum penalty for obstructing or 206 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: perverting the course of justice in the NT, So we're 207 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: talking about potentially very serious jail time, very hefty significant fines, 208 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: financial penalties if he is indeed found guilty. 209 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. How much longer is the trial expected to run? 210 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: So it's been going for a few weeks now, two weeks. Actually, 211 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: it could run for another few weeks. In terms of 212 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: the schedule that we know about. We're still waiting to 213 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: hear from some members of the pilot's family who were 214 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: present during these alleged hospital visits where Right came and 215 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: allegedly tried to persuade him to delete files or to 216 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: cover up flight information, So they are expected to give 217 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: evidence in the next week. If the trial runs for 218 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: the full five weeks that it was scheduled to run, 219 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: the jury would be expected to deliver a verdict in 220 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: either late August or early September, So a few weeks 221 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: to go. But as far as I can tell, for now, 222 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: this case looks like it will really ultimately come down 223 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: to a question of credibility. Who the jury believes when 224 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: they hear these conflicting accounts of what happened in those 225 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: really crucial days after the accident. 226 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah wow, thanks so much for explaining that, Emma, and 227 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,239 Speaker 1: we will continue to follow this case closely as it unfolds. 228 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: That's all for today's deep Dive. Thank you so much 229 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll be back again this afternoon with 230 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: their headlines. Until then, have a great day. My name 231 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bungelung Kalkadin 232 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: woman from Gadighl country. 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