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Speaker 1: Look. Joining me in the studio is the CEO of

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Speaker 1: the City of Darwin, Simone saun HATI good to have

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Speaker 1: you in the studio. Now, before I get into some

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Speaker 1: of the other issues of the week, we know that

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Speaker 1: there was a record number of floats and schools taking

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Speaker 1: part in the Christmas pageant.

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Speaker 2: How did it all go?

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Speaker 3: Look, the Christmas pageant was absolutely amazing. I took my

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Speaker 3: the kids and families that were cheering on from the sidelines,

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Speaker 2: Do we know how many people turned out?

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Speaker 3: there's more than last year. However, the City of Darwin

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Speaker 3: team will will do the starts based on the movement

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Speaker 3: data and our smart city data and then we will

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Speaker 1: Any standouts for you, any crowd favorites or ones that

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Speaker 1: the kids may be liked the best.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, I think the Tertally Wildlife it was really

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I always think it's a great event and

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Speaker 1: it's really good to see as well that Christmas is

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Speaker 2: I think it's really lovely.

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Speaker 1: To get into the spirit of Christmas and that you

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Speaker 1: Like it's just really nice for people to go out

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Speaker 3: Look, I think the pageant Christmas pageants delivered in conjunction

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Speaker 3: which is great, and I think Raintree Park and the

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Speaker 1: Now, Simon, I will move along because there are many

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Speaker 1: people still quite unhappy about the City of Darwin's decision

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Speaker 1: we obviously have taken a number of calls about this.

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Speaker 2: Can you give us I mean, you did give us a.

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Speaker 1: Bit of detail about this last week, But was consideration

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, So the tender process, there's many aspects that

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Speaker 3: strong application. They are not for profit community organization who

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Speaker 3: has success in other states as well in significant diversion

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Speaker 3: There was a full part of the proposal that they

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Speaker 2: We spoke to one of the mums.

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Speaker 1: Sue's son recently got his license and eventually built up

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Speaker 1: She also highlighted that many of the supported workers are

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Speaker 1: Consider that or is that something that is going to

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Speaker 4: Look, this is what Resource Recovery Australia does.

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Speaker 3: They are, as I said, and not for profit community

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Speaker 3: They also, as I said, they prioritize HPA, but even

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Speaker 3: that stage. And this is all contained within resource recoveries,

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Speaker 1: Another issue that does continue to bubble along and does

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Speaker 2: Is that the case?

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Speaker 1: Are you actually going to have people there ready to

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Speaker 3: That statement's not accurate. What you need to have in

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Speaker 2: Though councils knocked them back for that permit.

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Speaker 1: And part of them can't rock up and be on

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Speaker 3: The indication is on the event application of how many

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Speaker 2: So how many do they reckon going to be there?

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure of exactly how many, but they did

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Speaker 2: I mean, would anyone be able to see them there though.

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Speaker 3: You'll still be able to see the kinetic sculpture from there.

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Speaker 1: So just with this permit, is it right for me

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Speaker 4: It, No, it's not about too many protesters.

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Speaker 3: So anybody that has to have an event or a

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Speaker 2: So they need insurance.

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Speaker 1: How did people get away with it during COVID another

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Speaker 3: Yes, so when we do protests and events, permits are

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Speaker 1: So this isn't the council being heavy handed because you

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Speaker 1: Look, they said to me that they're potentially going to

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Speaker 1: So you've got all that obviously for the event that's

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Speaker 3: Though, oh absolutely we always have to have those requirds.

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Speaker 3: actually closed there, so and that's it's closed down to

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Speaker 3: the work site. So that road has been closed since

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Speaker 3: the works at Bundilla started and will continue to remain

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Speaker 3: closed until after the works have been completed, and that's

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Speaker 3: because there's no through way passed through the work site.

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Speaker 2: Simone Saunders, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 2: It is ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have to rush across to the National News.

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always for your.

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Speaker 2: Time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you