WEBVTT - TIM DORMER VS BIG BROTHER 2022

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week. They might welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players

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<v Speaker 1>in television. Each episode you will get a front row

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<v Speaker 1>casting agents, plus the talent that we see on our screens.

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload reloads the shows that you are currently watching

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<v Speaker 1>and streaming services today. On the podcast, I have the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest Big Brother housemate Australia has ever seen. He may

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<v Speaker 1>polarize his viewers, but the love for Tim far outweighs

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<v Speaker 1>the hate. And one thing I know about Tim Dormer

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<v Speaker 1>is his truth packaged up with mischief and intelligent insight

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<v Speaker 1>is always great entertainment. Back in twenty thirteen, Tim played

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<v Speaker 1>Big Brother so well I felt like no one was

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<v Speaker 1>ever going to come close to his celebrated win, and

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways they've really haven't. Sadly, our relationship has

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<v Speaker 1>had less bumps in the road and more rollercoasters than

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<v Speaker 1>any other former housemate. And while we did have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in common, nothing ever seemed to make sense in

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<v Speaker 1>a feud that has lasted nearly a decade. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to convince the last few months has really been like

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<v Speaker 1>therapy for me, and it's a joy to share this

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<v Speaker 1>chat with you because I've never talked to Tim Dormer

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<v Speaker 1>like this before. Tim was hesitant to return to the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Brother franchise, but without him it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>a massive hole in the series, too wide to jump,

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<v Speaker 1>and Produce has pulled out all the stops to lock

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<v Speaker 1>him down and back in the house. To celebrate twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one years of Big Brother history, Tim will talk problematic relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>including the Amber Herd tweet to Estelle, how ben Zebelle

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<v Speaker 1>would have gone in this new format, his personal journey,

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<v Speaker 1>who he thinks will win, and really so much tea

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<v Speaker 1>will be spilt. I suggest you go and get two

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<v Speaker 1>empty cuffs. However, let's get started with today's guest. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to welcome Tim Dormer to t every load.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was the core of the offense and the

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<v Speaker 2>outrage of some of the game moves that I was making.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been through a lot together, haven't we.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't like having their masks peeled off and feeling

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<v Speaker 2>exposed this year it's my twenty first birthday. It's no surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that they didn't include him.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'd invited housemaids, both new and legendary.

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<v Speaker 2>I really debrief on my relationship with Estelle. Will experience

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<v Speaker 2>be enough to take on the next generation of housemaid

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<v Speaker 2>I guess what matters to me is the real life

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<v Speaker 2>relationships with those ogs.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Brother Him. How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good, Ben, How are you going?

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<v Speaker 3>You're doing really well.

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<v Speaker 1>This is very surreal for me because it's a long

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<v Speaker 1>time coming to be able to have you on a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and talk to you about all the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to talk to you about. So hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>there's some enjoyment in it for the listener as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we've got a lot to get through. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of history, and then we've got a whole

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<v Speaker 2>TV show to debrief on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, congratulations on your return to Big Brother. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know if you hold the record for the most amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time in Big Brother House history?

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<v Speaker 2>No, apparently there's some Big Brothers around the world that

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<v Speaker 2>go for a whole year, like Germany. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the top twenty of the people in the

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<v Speaker 2>world that have spent the most amount of days living

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<v Speaker 2>in a Big Brother house. Definitely hold the record in Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'd have to get a few more Big Brothers

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<v Speaker 2>under my belt to make sure I'm number one. Who knows,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a couple more. You need to do a couple more.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll be fine, so your krug will be still hosting

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<v Speaker 1>it in twenty years time.

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<v Speaker 2>Haha.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you not get one point on you for

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<v Speaker 1>like fifty days? Were the housemates really silly for not

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get you out much earlier?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely they were stupid. But I'm very smart and that

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<v Speaker 2>was my number one strategy going in was avoid being nominated,

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<v Speaker 2>because I knew as soon as I was nominated, they

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<v Speaker 2>would take their shot. You don't have a big player

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<v Speaker 2>like me staying in the game till the end like

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<v Speaker 2>I did. And in the back of my head, I thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Big Brother saves people, He'll save me if I get

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<v Speaker 2>evicted early on. And I'm really proud that they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to play that move that I did it all myself,

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<v Speaker 2>and it took a lot of hard work to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>being nominated, and that was my social game, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>of building good relationships, fun bonds, but also a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of strategy as well, of sort of intimidation and this

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<v Speaker 2>bluff that I'm not going to come for you until

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<v Speaker 2>you come for me, and if you want to come

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<v Speaker 2>for me, you better make sure you're hit because I'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back all guns blazing. And that worked today fifty six.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think the biggest the biggest fear for

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<v Speaker 2>me was being nominated being evicted. The first one was nominated,

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<v Speaker 2>and so when that first nomination was a double eviction,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting next to Estelle and Reggie, two of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>players of the game, I just cannot believe that I

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<v Speaker 2>survived that. But that was, I guess, the fruit of

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<v Speaker 2>all the hard work of the relationships with Johnson and

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<v Speaker 2>Ealsia that I'd built throughout the game, beyond the OG alliance.

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<v Speaker 2>So people criticize my gameplay, but I'm very proud of

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<v Speaker 2>how far I lasted without being nominated, and then to

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<v Speaker 2>survive that double eviction.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that they kept you because they knew

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<v Speaker 1>you would do a lot of the dirty work for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, keeping you in the competition allowed you to

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<v Speaker 1>really do a lot of the stuff that they probably

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<v Speaker 1>didn't feel like they could do. But knowing Tim Dormer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you would do just naturally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was another strategy of mind that I see

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<v Speaker 2>me as an asset and not a threat. I'll always

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<v Speaker 2>be a bigger target than you, so I'll be your

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<v Speaker 2>shield through the whole game, that people will keep wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to get me out, which but they didn't really take

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<v Speaker 2>men shots towards me. I think they always thought that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe later on in the game, or perhaps even they

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<v Speaker 2>were scared of the audience that they knew I had

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<v Speaker 2>a big reputation of the game that if you took

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<v Speaker 2>Tim out too early, you'd lose the audience favor. And

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<v Speaker 2>in a competition where the winner gets decided by the audience,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it had to be the right timing. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that. The newbies who are left in

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<v Speaker 2>the game have got a lot of blood on their hands,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if it's cost them the win.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of catch twenty two. Take me out so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't beat you, or take me out, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the audience doesn't vote for you to win. It sucks

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<v Speaker 2>to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>In the words of Sonya Krueger, it might have might

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<v Speaker 1>have cost you the competition, you know, after three experiences

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. The question that I've seen the most

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<v Speaker 1>online through the fan forums is a question for you

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<v Speaker 1>being which one of these experiences has been your favorite?

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't choose They're all so different. I mean, obviously the

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<v Speaker 2>first Big Brother of Australia twenty thirteen winning, but just

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<v Speaker 2>where I was in my life at that stage, I

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<v Speaker 2>see the three experiences as different sort of versions of

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<v Speaker 2>Tim at pivotal moments in his life. So twenty thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of me showing who I was to the world,

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<v Speaker 2>so naive, so unaware that I was such a weirdo

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<v Speaker 2>and that some people wouldn't understand me. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>quite brave for me to put myself out like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I came out of the house with a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a reality check. It was like, some people don't

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<v Speaker 2>like you and you are a bit of a weirdo,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess I had to navigate than fame for

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<v Speaker 2>a little while and my own personal life, like coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in love with a guy and nobody knew

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone thought Tim was this party boy that passed

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<v Speaker 2>all the girls in the Clubs. So then Big Brother Canada,

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<v Speaker 2>where I got to the finale and maybe could have won.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was this really amazing life moment away from

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<v Speaker 2>the game where I was like, it's time for you

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<v Speaker 2>to do something really scary now, and that's put yourself

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<v Speaker 2>out there again a vulnerable side and come out. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that was another amazing chapter in my life to

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<v Speaker 2>then life got really bloody hard and I lost that

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<v Speaker 2>relationship and had terrible heartbreak, hit rock bottom, nearly gave

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<v Speaker 2>up on life. In the last eighteen months. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a really rough time where I experienced a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>loss and grief and hated the world, hated Tim, and

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<v Speaker 2>had to put myself back together and slowly this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of new version of Tim that was a lot wiser

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<v Speaker 2>and softer because I'd been hurt so bad. I got

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<v Speaker 2>the call to go back to the game, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>now this moment of sort of being afraid to put

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<v Speaker 2>myself back out there, but I did it, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>been embraced again, and I'm so proud of myself and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like a winner even though I'm out of

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<v Speaker 2>the game, and so I couldn't. All three of them

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<v Speaker 2>are such pivotal chapters in my life that I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>thankful to be able to share that with the audience,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thank the Brother for the vehicle of being

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<v Speaker 2>able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So what sort of things were you talking about when Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the producers, rang you to start that conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about you doing Big Brother again? And the game had

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<v Speaker 1>evolved and this iteration of it is different to what

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<v Speaker 1>you've done in Australia before, probably more similar in some

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<v Speaker 1>ways to Canada. But what was that conversation like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't mind me asking, what were the hesitations and

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<v Speaker 1>what were you spitballing with her?

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<v Speaker 2>What were you saying, yeah, yeah, good question, because it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a yes straight away. I think the fact they

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<v Speaker 2>got Lisa to call me Lisa works back on my

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen season as a low level producer, but me

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<v Speaker 2>and Drew had a bit of a crush on her,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's funny that now she's the boss, she's

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<v Speaker 2>the executive producer, and they get her to call me

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<v Speaker 2>to ask me if i'd go back, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>they thought that my time on Big Brother was done,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it was I wasn't considering doing another

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<v Speaker 2>series or any television and I said that to her.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, what you're asking me to do is to

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<v Speaker 2>be Tim from Big Brother again. And it was almost

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<v Speaker 2>like putting on this hat. And I knew how to

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<v Speaker 2>do the dance. I'd done it before. I mean, people

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<v Speaker 2>still came up to me on the street, but it

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<v Speaker 2>really had died down, and I'd kind of liked that

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<v Speaker 2>I'd built a life away from this character of Tim

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<v Speaker 2>from Big Brother. I was working in disability care, studying

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<v Speaker 2>mindfulness and meditation teaching. There was nothing about my life

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<v Speaker 2>that was kind of performing anymore, and I just, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't very interested in putting myself out there because

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<v Speaker 2>I'd been hurt by someone that I loved so much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what got me was she said we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing we want to do something for the fans and

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that they were going to bring back other

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<v Speaker 2>people and she told me Reggie was one of the names.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I said, well, if you're not going to pay

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<v Speaker 2>me well I deserve, then you're going to tell me

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<v Speaker 2>some information about the show, like who's coming back, And

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<v Speaker 2>she said Reggie and that made me realize, wow, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the big guns. Like I was a huge Reggie fan,

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<v Speaker 2>and none knew that they meant business. They wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>do something for the fans, and the fans it's a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship that go beyond the family of the housemates on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. You become part of the audience's family. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they're watching you in their living room eating dinner. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're kind of waking up in the morning, cleaning the toilets,

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<v Speaker 2>baking dinner for everyone on the show. Like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very kind of intimate relationship you form and they think

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<v Speaker 2>they know you really, really well, and they've helped me

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<v Speaker 2>through some of the really tough times in my life

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<v Speaker 2>that I thought, gosh, if I say no to this, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what would this be without Tim from Big Brother? And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this is a chance to come back and and

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<v Speaker 2>tell my story and fill in some of the gaps

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<v Speaker 2>of my life and show a new version of me

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<v Speaker 2>that is a bit wiser and softer that wasn't always

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<v Speaker 2>shown in the series. Let's face it, the game player, loudmouth,

0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.200
<v Speaker 2>idiot version of Tim is a lot more interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>watch the kind, caring, thoughtful Tim. But I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the audiences that have followed my whole journey understand who

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<v Speaker 2>I am and it's been a joy to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's amazing for you to share that because

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<v Speaker 1>it really is your hook moment, you know, whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not you know the Steven Spielberg film Hook. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>can Peter Pan fly again? Can you find that magic?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I guess once you put into that experience,

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<v Speaker 1>to put back into Neverland otherwise known to us as

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Brother House, you know, does it remind you

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<v Speaker 1>of the best parts about you? Does it unearth things

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<v Speaker 1>that you'd forgotten?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, then that's going to make me cry. That's really

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<v Speaker 2>the best question I've ever had, because yeah, a Big

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<v Speaker 2>Brother was like a land of mate believe for me.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty thirteen when I won, I said, this is

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<v Speaker 2>my dream world. Like it's not real, but it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, like it is an alternate universe living in

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<v Speaker 2>that game, and I think I lived my life after

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<v Speaker 2>the show in a bit of an altered universe of

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<v Speaker 2>make believe. And it's beautiful, it's fun. And my friends

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<v Speaker 2>would say, yeah, being in Tim's world is amazing, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some hard things in life as well, isn't there

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<v Speaker 2>The reality check is that it's not a land of

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<v Speaker 2>make believe? And I went through some pretty rough life

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<v Speaker 2>lessons to then Yeah, going back to the game is

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<v Speaker 2>do I play and have fun? And yeah, can I

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<v Speaker 2>create the magic? Has Peter Fan grown up? And that

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<v Speaker 2>was I think that my special moment was very quickly going,

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<v Speaker 2>hang on a minute, I loving this, I'm having a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun here and I'm good at this. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, again, you're right. It was I could

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<v Speaker 2>trust myself. It was like all this confidence that had

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<v Speaker 2>been broken out of me through the life challenges. I

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<v Speaker 2>fell in love with tim again and made sense of

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<v Speaker 2>myself in a more holistic way that yeah, there's parts

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<v Speaker 2>of me that can be mean, but that I am

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<v Speaker 2>lovable at heart and I know who I really am,

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<v Speaker 2>that life lessons had taught me what really matters, and

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<v Speaker 2>that I could turn up and play again. That was

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<v Speaker 2>what I needed right then, was to sort of fall

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<v Speaker 2>in love with myself, and I did that through playing

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<v Speaker 2>Big Brother again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, personally, it's been really nice to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>see this side to you, you know, and without knowing

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<v Speaker 1>all of the backstory, without knowing about all the scratches

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the scars that have probably happened along

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<v Speaker 1>the way. It's amazing to have been able to watch

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<v Speaker 1>your journey evolve like this, and also behind closed doors

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<v Speaker 1>with you and I, I've been able to see that

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<v Speaker 1>you are a very lovely friend. You know, you were

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<v Speaker 1>very warm, and I don't know whether everyone gets to

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<v Speaker 1>have that from you, because everyone wants a piece of you,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you do get lucky enough to be in

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<v Speaker 1>your audience to appreciate those sort of qualities, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>quite amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm very glad that we've been able to connect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks, Ben, I mean yeah, we've we had a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a sort of tumultuous history, don't we. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it started with I was perhaps going to be

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<v Speaker 2>an intruder in your season, and I remember like emailing

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<v Speaker 2>the executive uties at the times I get me in

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<v Speaker 2>there to take Ben down. And then this is how

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<v Speaker 2>a Stelle fits into our relationship as well, is that

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<v Speaker 2>we then formed this friendship after the show, me and

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<v Speaker 2>a Stelle and you were this other guy, this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of villain that had won, and then I came along

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<v Speaker 2>and won. And there's always tension between the winners of

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<v Speaker 2>the shows, isn't there? And Estelle kind of was in

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<v Speaker 2>between our relationship and it's it's only been now in

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<v Speaker 2>being back involved with the show and in chatting to

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<v Speaker 2>you privately, that we've been able to bury the hatchet

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<v Speaker 2>of the past and realize that we have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more in common than we probably gave each other credit for.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I like that that you can have conflict

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<v Speaker 2>with someone and and resolve it. I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>I can be quite a polarizing character, and some people

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<v Speaker 2>can misunderstand me or feel hurt by me. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very open to reconciliation and softness, and I like peace.

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<v Speaker 2>I sometimes think that conflict is necessary to get to peace.

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<v Speaker 2>But we were quite real with each other off during

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<v Speaker 2>this current season and now, Yeah, I would count you

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<v Speaker 2>as a friend. You've been very supportive of me through

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<v Speaker 2>the conflict that I've had with a Stelle this season.

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<v Speaker 2>And Yeah, it's such a isn't it? A incestuous family?

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<v Speaker 2>The Big Brother world and the real gossip, the real

0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.399
<v Speaker 2>drama happens not on the TV show, but in all

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<v Speaker 2>the ongoing relationships of people that have played the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting because like it's been a bit like

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<v Speaker 1>therapy for me, and I went on a real journey

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<v Speaker 1>with the series coming back and not being asked to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. You know, I felt so excluded, and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like they were rewriting the history of Big Brother

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<v Speaker 1>to not include me. However, I felt like it was

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect divinity or whatever that's saying, is where I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like this was where I was supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have learnt so much from it.

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<v Speaker 1>So once I gave up that jealousy and that anger

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<v Speaker 1>and that disappointment and able to enjoy the series for

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<v Speaker 1>what it is like, I've actually been able to be

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<v Speaker 1>rewarded with some amazing things out of it, being putting

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<v Speaker 1>some things to bed and then realizing this is where

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<v Speaker 1>I should be. Being able to talk to all of

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<v Speaker 1>your housemates has just been an amazing and joyous experience

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<v Speaker 1>for me. So we are in the right place at

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<v Speaker 1>the right time sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, oh absolutely, And I'm like, that's something that really

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<v Speaker 2>impressed me about your decision not being a part of

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<v Speaker 2>the show, but to still be a part of the

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<v Speaker 2>show with what you do in interviewing us all and

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<v Speaker 2>the insight you have about what it means to play

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<v Speaker 2>the game. And I mean just this chat now, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the most realist and deepest interview that I've had

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<v Speaker 2>out of the experience and it's really special that you

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<v Speaker 2>decided to have that role with the show and it's

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<v Speaker 2>brought you joy back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it has so weird. It's so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have been drinking on my balcony and smoking

0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.919
<v Speaker 1>and yelling at people and tweeting at people. You're an

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<v Speaker 1>asshole and you know sure have been that person before.

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<v Speaker 1>But I hope to think that I learned my mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I'm probably I would say, one of Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>biggest Big Brother fans of all time. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when my partner goes away for then, I usually watch

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<v Speaker 1>reruns of old episode it's a Big Brother and people

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<v Speaker 1>would think that's really sad and not my series either.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go back and watch like hours and hours and

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<v Speaker 1>hours of old series from two thousand and three. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's mad, it's mad, but it's my place and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to appreciate it for what it means.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, that's beautiful, and you never know, they probably

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<v Speaker 2>like Big Brother is one of those things that I

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<v Speaker 2>think will just keep coming back. If he has a

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<v Speaker 2>few years off, he'll keep coming back. So it's something

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<v Speaker 2>we'll always be tied to and who knows you might

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<v Speaker 2>be playing again one day.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, it was always to be playing against

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<v Speaker 1>you and playing against Reggie. And do you know, Tim,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have nightmares about being in the house with

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<v Speaker 1>you because for a spoiler alert for people listening to this,

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<v Speaker 1>I have always been intimidated by your gameplay because my

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<v Speaker 1>gameplay was very different. And I just know that if

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<v Speaker 1>I was in a house in a Big Brother universe

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<v Speaker 1>with you, I think I would psych myself out.

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<v Speaker 3>I think i'd and I think I have put a

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<v Speaker 3>lo I'm through my name very quickly early on.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what I think, I don't actually even

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you what my gameplay is, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't know. What's helped our relationship is that

0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.880
<v Speaker 2>we're both real with each other and put gameplay aside.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I could have worked with anyone in

0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.440
<v Speaker 2>that game as long as they're willing to be real

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.679
<v Speaker 2>with me and maybe see me as deeper than just

0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Tim from Big Brother the game player. And that's really

0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:34.040
<v Speaker 2>important to me in real life that I form those deeper,

0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:38.320
<v Speaker 2>real connections with people. But I guess that's where a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of hurt comes from, is that when you're playing

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<v Speaker 2>the game and making these game moves. Some of the

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.919
<v Speaker 2>ogs felt quite portrayed by me, but all's fair in

0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.320
<v Speaker 2>love and war in the game afterwards, we're really close

0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.040
<v Speaker 2>now besides the cell and that's something that I'll work on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll get into that in a second. But in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, you were the most entertaining housemate of this

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<v Speaker 1>all over again, you know, and you might not take

0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.080
<v Speaker 1>out the title of being the winner, but you certainly

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 1>have walked away with the biggest impression on its audience.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, why does your personality lend itself to this

0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:13.560
<v Speaker 1>format so well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know what it is. I remember chatting

0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.680
<v Speaker 2>to the host and executive producer Arista Cox of Big

0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Brother Canada. I told her that I was going back

0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 2>to do this season and she said, oh, you'll win.

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.919
<v Speaker 2>She's like, I've not met anyone that has the magic

0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.280
<v Speaker 2>ingredients to go so far in this game that it

0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.200
<v Speaker 2>just suits you so well. I guess it is that

0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:46.679
<v Speaker 2>sort of strategic mastermind, even obsessive I think from a gameplay,

0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:51.520
<v Speaker 2>but then the television side of entertainment that I'm aware

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<v Speaker 2>of what makes engaging TV. I think I learned that

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<v Speaker 2>from being a fan of the show of watching it

0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:02.159
<v Speaker 2>and knowing what what I liked as an audience member

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 2>to see. Yeah, and I guess just not being afraid

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 2>to show my uniqueness. It's just something that I've always

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:16.080
<v Speaker 2>my whole life. I've never really struggled with being self

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:20.960
<v Speaker 2>conscious about trying to fit in. I actually and the opposite.

0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 2>If I feel like I'm being normal or just one

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<v Speaker 2>of the group, I feel really uncomfortable. So I guess

0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I just shine as a bit of a unique weirdo.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that that that's happening on television because

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.120
<v Speaker 2>growing up, I don't think there was too much of that,

0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Like it was quite made archetypes on Big Brother the

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<v Speaker 2>pretty girls and the masculine men and the geeks and

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.960
<v Speaker 2>everyone like what box does Tim fit into. I don't

0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.560
<v Speaker 2>know if there's a box for me. And I'm so

0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.440
<v Speaker 2>proud of that in life. But for everyone watching that,

0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.360
<v Speaker 2>that's my message, be yourself, Like, don't feel as though

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.639
<v Speaker 2>you have to pretend to be anything you're not or

0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 2>dim your light, like just love yourself and shine it. Yeah,

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 2>that's what I think is a bit of my magic

0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 2>when I go into the Big Brother House is that

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.879
<v Speaker 2>it's my chance to show everyone who Tim is.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you really challenge people in a way which

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:22.920
<v Speaker 1>is great television. I think that you interact with people

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>in a way which can sometimes expose people's flaws, and

0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 1>not in a malicious way. I want to be really

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 1>clear with that, like I think.

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes sometimes sometimes I do not do it kindly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, but that's a part of you showing people

0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 1>who they are. And one thing that I learned from

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 1>watching you this series is getting people to see something

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.639
<v Speaker 1>about themselves they might not necessarily feel comfortable with, and

0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>then watching you see how they take that on board.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can see it in your face that if

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 1>their response is repulsion to your design of how they are,

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>that's an answer. But if they flounder and they don't

0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:58.960
<v Speaker 1>know what to do with it, you know, that's sort

0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:00.960
<v Speaker 1>of where you can use it at them in the game.

0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 3>But I think sometimes that is quite Yeah.

0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes that's really interesting for us as viewers

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:10.880
<v Speaker 1>to be able to watch and see how people want

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to I don't.

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Even know that about myself, but yes, yes, it's very true.

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:16.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is that I have a

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<v Speaker 2>way of being a mirror to someone's true self or

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 2>insecurity and people don't like having their masks peeled off

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and feeling exposed. It makes a great television You're right,

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 2>and in a game perspective, it is power to have

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<v Speaker 2>over someone. And maybe that's the manipulation, is that I'm

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 2>able to see people or read people for who they are,

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:47.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe even sometimes better than themselves. My life lesson is

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 2>when to use that in real life and how to

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<v Speaker 2>use it. And I don't always get it right. I

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:53.880
<v Speaker 2>don't always get it right in the game. I don't

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 2>always get it right in real life. I don't know

0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:59.120
<v Speaker 2>how that skill can be used in real life. I've

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.879
<v Speaker 2>yet to work it out. But it works well on

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Big Brother and Reality TV.

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:05.400
<v Speaker 3>Just dig through the bag.

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 1>Actually, the thing that you don't know about yourself that

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna hate is.

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 3>This and show it to them and they're like, what

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 3>you know?

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>And that's just fun to watch people be, you know,

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>challenged by it in a way. I mean also, I

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>think in some ways that has seen your fan base

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 1>respond differently in some ways as well online and I

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 1>noticed that you're online reading what people are saying, and

0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that's been really hard. I mean, do you

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 1>think that at times you had been too ruthless this

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 1>time around compared to what Australian knew of you last time.

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, yeah, I wonder. I think. I think I probably

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>was the same level of ruthlessness, but it's the level

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 2>of love for the Ogs that then it seemed like

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:55.440
<v Speaker 2>more of a betrayal to me that I would make

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>choices to work against the Og alliance. Yeah, I think

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>if if that was the core of the offense and

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 2>the outrage of some of the game moves that I

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 2>was making, which is really sad, I think. Oh, I mean,

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:14.400
<v Speaker 2>it's beautiful that people have such strong passion for these players,

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 2>but it was at the cost of people getting behind

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 2>the new players, the newbies, who just as human, just

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 2>as interesting, just as lovable. And the edit has a

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>lot to do with this. I guess that saddened me

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 2>a little bit that there was this idea that the

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:33.919
<v Speaker 2>Ogs were immortals, or this illusion that they were playing

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.479
<v Speaker 2>the game with some kind of moral integrity, and anyone

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:42.360
<v Speaker 2>that acted against that was this horrible person that yeah,

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 2>it was a lowsy human being, but no, it was

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 2>just a game move. It had nothing to do with

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 2>real life choices.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think Big Brother isn't life. And I think

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that's where the confusion might be. Someone's moralistic and perfect

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>design on how to be as a person in the

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 1>real world actually doesn't lend itself, you know, being the

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>best person being, having the best morals and the best

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 1>integrity and all of that doesn't actually work inside Big Brother.

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>And that's where you're going to keep budding. You're going

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to keep hitting a wall with it, because an actual fact,

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the game is about making big moves and doing things

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:18.679
<v Speaker 1>that you wouldn't do in the real world that are

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 1>not tolerated in the real world.

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, And anyone that questions otherwise, I think was

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:28.479
<v Speaker 2>lying to themselves or really hypocritical. We were all playing

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:30.959
<v Speaker 2>the same game, we were all making the same moves,

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and if you asked any of them, honestly, they all

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>wanted to win. But this idea that I was playing

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 2>my own game, it was just an easy line to

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 2>point the finger at me. It hurts. It actually hurt

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.640
<v Speaker 2>because some of the audience would say, you're not as

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 2>fun as you were last time, or you're nasty. But

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 2>it was just because I've owed Dave out or didn't

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 2>want Estelle to beat me. Yeah, so I think overall

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>people understand, and I guess what matters to me is

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 2>the real life relationships with those ogs, and like, we're

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 2>all good. I'm good with everyone bar Aestelle, and we'll

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 2>have our chance to chat. And I think she really

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 2>struggled with separating game from real life relationship, and at

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>times I felt like she used emotions and sort of

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 2>this outrage and how dare I? But that was sort

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 2>of like this expected loyalty, that I would be loyal

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 2>to her when at the detriment of my game. No, no,

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>not at the detriment of my game.

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, isn't it funny the similarities that we the parallel

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of you and I. I got to live with a

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>cell and you got to live with a stell And

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>then in some ways maybe the narcissist in me and

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>the way in which it processes for me, I'm like

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>you then became me, and you know, my struggle with

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>her during that time on the show then became your struggle.

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>And the interesting thing for me to watch was how

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you were going to cope with now being in that position,

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Because what I didn't cope with or I didn't do well,

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>was being able to process how to deal with her.

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, I saw some of her qualities as just

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>really frustrating to me, and so instead of being able

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 1>to be mature about it and break it down, I

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of behaved badly. And that now I get to

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>watch you can try and work out what the right

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 1>thing to do is as well, and see that you

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>also struggle with it makes something inside of me heal

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 1>a little bit because I've beat myself up for it

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>for so long thinking I'm a terrible person, where now

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I know who she is as a person, A beautiful,

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>wonderful person can be really challenging.

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, It's funny that you noticed yourself in

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 2>my role in the relationship with a stell. She it

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 2>came to a point in the house where she said,

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 2>you are exactly like Ben Norris him and I said stop, no,

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 2>like you're the common denominator in this. And it made

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>me totally shift my relationship with you to realize, oh wow,

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>she's created in us this villain to reinforce her identity

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 2>as a victim. And yeah, I mean, it's very sensitive

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 2>to talk about this because I don't know if Estelle

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 2>wants to chat about it in this way, but I

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't think it was fair in the game, and then

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>especially in the way she engaged with the audiences to

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 2>create that character in us and engage and fuel the

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 2>fan sort of mistrust in me, and even like, what

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>was the final straw for me was when she was

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>alleging the verbal abuse had happened in the house and

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 2>then you're not seeing just how bad it was. That's

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>dangerous legally for defamation. And how did I respond? Not well,

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 2>I responded with an awful tweet back that was out

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 2>of hurt because I don't know why Stelle was doing that,

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>and I had been gone on for a few weeks

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'd lived through it in the house where we'd

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 2>have these arguments about lollies, and then all of a

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 2>sudden it was about respect and how awful of a

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 2>person I was, and I'm saying, no, it's just about

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the lollies of Stelle, and it felt like she was

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 2>attacking my character where it never was about that. Yeah,

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 2>So that tweet that I responded back was out of

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>hurt and it was insensitive, and yeah, I've addressed it.

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I've got a podcast that's out where I really debrief

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 2>on my relationship with Estelle, and I apologize for that comment,

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm in a stell to chat to me off air,

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 2>on air whatever. I've been chatting to Reggie about it

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and sort of saying, Reggie, I want to resolve this

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 2>with Estelle before finale. I don't want that it be

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 2>bad blood in the family before the game's over. And

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Reggie agrees, and she's trying to act as sort of

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>the mediator, Yeah, mediator between a Stell and I, which

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>happened a lot in the house, but Estelle so far hasn't.

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot on our plates at the

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 2>moment with her being evicted as well this week, and

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 2>so I hope we do get a chance. I hope

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it's not on stage live at finale that we need

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>each other to chat, because there was a real friendship

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>there that I don't know if the game has cost us.

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 3>I think, you know is to jump in there.

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>It's I think the amber her tweet was inappropriate, but

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I could see where you're coming from and in a

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>place of fear. When I'm in a place of fear,

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I always seem to react badly, Like if I'm confused

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>about something and I'm worried about something and I feel

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>boxed in this fear creates anger, Anger creates I think

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a Star Wars quote, but I think that is

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 1>where the tweet came from. And even yourself already now

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>at the stage. I mean, it could take years to

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>say that was the wrong thing to tweet, but you're

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 1>already saying it's the wrong thing to tweet. You already

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>understand that, you know it probably wasn't the right the

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>right construction of the sentence. I mean, yes, people read

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>into it and could see where you're coming from, but

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 1>then other people read into it in a worse way,

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, and that's not what you and that's not

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>what your intention was, do you know what I mean?

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Like so, h so you can create a really difficult

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>way for us to understand how to communicate appropriately.

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely. And we've talked about the frustration of trying

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to communicate with a still and when you're caught in

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 2>an argument with a stell a still never takes responsibility

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 2>for her actions, Tim does. I am one of the

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>first to say I got that wrong or oops, sorry,

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>I want to learn, I want to be better, and

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there was a lot of hurt, like

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 2>you said on my part from Estelle the same. She

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 2>feels very hurt from me that I didn't play the

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.760
<v Speaker 2>game with her, but it's not because I'm a bad person.

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, the villain thing is where it jumps in. You know,

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>people now call you a villain, and that's the weirdest

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 1>thing in the world to me, because when someone presents

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.919
<v Speaker 1>a word that's so uncomfortable with you, you think that's

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>not who I am.

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 1>For me, a fan once said to me, maybe two

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>years after the show, it was like the Elspeth moment

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 1>from Wicked was when they connected with me and they

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>realized that the villain was not the villain and there

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 1>was just a different perspect And I'm not that familiar

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 1>with Wicked.

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm really not.

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I have seen the music Hall, but I saw that

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>before I did Big Brother, so I remember seeing that

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>music hall very long time ago. But you know where

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming from, Tim, don't you where It's like, I'm

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>not saying that I wasn't the villain or that I

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 1>was the hero. I'm just talking about the ability to

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>be able to see things in it from different perspective entirely.

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, And I guess that's the limitations that reality

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 2>TV has it, they have to tell a simplified version

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 2>of the story for the audience, and sometimes we are

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:18.919
<v Speaker 2>cast into characters that are quite two D and there's

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.839
<v Speaker 2>always a lot more going on, and I guess some

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.800
<v Speaker 2>of the audience members can see it on a deeper level,

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 2>and when they chat to us online or they meet

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 2>us in real life, they sort of see the real person,

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>not the two D version that was in the someone

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 2>else's narrative of what happened. So we're victims to the

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 2>edits narrative. But it plays on you, doesn't it That

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.399
<v Speaker 2>Am I that person? And I think whatever reality TV

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 2>show it is, a lot of people then feel like

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>they have to keep being that version, and that's who

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the people on the street want to meet, or they

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 2>spend their entire post show experience trying to prove that

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 2>they weren't that person, and that is exhausting, And I

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 2>guess for me, it's I always know that I'm hard

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>to understand. There's a lot of complex layers of tim

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.919
<v Speaker 2>and some people are only going to see the top

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to only see what they want to see.

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 2>They're not my people.

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 1>It's taken me years to put those words together that

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, like you know, and then I'm like, oh,

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't actually have to be the person that other

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>people have created, you know, of me. You know they

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>they aren't seeing the whole picture. It's okay to still

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>be the worst parts of my personality which I can't

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>get rid of, Like I have to start to love

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>myself for the things that I hate about myself as

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>opposed to being controlled by it.

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, yes, yes, that was what was very liberating

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.359
<v Speaker 2>for me going back, was going, Okay, there is this

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:51.719
<v Speaker 2>rap bag side of me, but you know, I know

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 2>that I'm more than that, and I'm okay with it,

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.240
<v Speaker 2>and I don't have to prove that to anybody watching.

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's have some fun. I'll play the rascal just so

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 2>it's an entertaining show. And at the end of the day,

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with me and I don't need to prove

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 2>that to you.

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 3>I love hearing it.

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Yes, more therapy. We're not paying for this therapy either,

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 1>so this is cheap therapy. My friend, you know, is

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>tarras described by yourself as a sneaky rat?

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Is he just ten two point zero?

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I know? You know what I worked out very early

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:34.280
<v Speaker 2>on in the game. The story of Big Brother doesn't

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>show how much I knew Tarras was a threat early

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 2>on and was trying to get rid of him. Tried

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 2>with the Ogs, but Dave had a deal with Taras

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that they weren'ting to vote for each other, and Estelle

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 2>had a really close bond with Tarass that she wouldn't

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 2>target him. I knew he was holding back on challenges

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and when the time would come, he would just win

0:37:53.040 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 2>them all. And yeah, I was really I didn't think

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 2>he'd be the one to take me out, but I'm

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 2>not surprised, and it's left me in a funny position

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>because it's like, do I now hate him for taking

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 2>me out? No, I actually feel the opposite. I'm like, congratulations, mate,

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>he probably had the best gameplay in this season. And

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 2>does that deserve to win? Depends what you want to

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 2>decide the best strategy was, or how you decide the winner.

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you and I like that.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:29.880
<v Speaker 1>You and I value that, so you and I would

0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 1>probably vote for someone like Taras to win because we

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 1>love that, you know, go and do it and go.

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 3>Hard sort of thing.

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>But will I mean you're looking at Chad and looking

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>at Marley and looking at the winners that are coming

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>out of these series, it isn't the person who plays

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the most complicated and vicious, vicious game. Whoever's left in

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the final three when Australia is finally allowed to vote

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 1>for he is the person who's been the nice one.

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, Unfortunately for Tarass, I don't necessarily think

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 1>he's going to win. But maybe this conversation we allow

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:02.879
<v Speaker 1>people to see it differently and support him.

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, agreed, and I said that to Tarasse at my

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>final eviction, was like, you have a pr nightmare on

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 2>your hands to try and convince Australia to vote for

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 2>you to win, like a wake of og bodies in

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>your path to the to the finish line. I don't

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 2>think he considered that. I don't think that was part

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 2>of the weakness in his social game, was that, yeah,

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 2>he's sneaky and at a lied point blank to people's

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 2>face to advance his game, that that would catch up

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 2>with him at some point. And yeah, I think perhaps

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't og versus newby, it was just newbies

0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 2>and Tarass had done that, maybe Australia would love him

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 2>for it. But this love for the ogs he's got,

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>No none of them had any chance. I think if

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 2>any og got to the finish line.

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a tough one. Well, stepping out

0:39:57.960 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of that, because you know, we could talk about that

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>element of what's going to happen in the finale, you know,

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>in broad sense, for a very long time. But on

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>a lighter sense, I need to ask, how do you

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>think Benzabelle would have gone if he was in the competition?

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Because the outcry on his social media for him not

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>being included was enormous, like enormous, and people want to

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.799
<v Speaker 1>see Benzebelle back on television. But the question I have

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 1>for you, and the question I don't have an answer

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>for you to give back to you, is how would

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Benzebell go in a competition like this?

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Look, I guess he would be terrible at challenges.

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 2>There'd be no chance he'd ever win a challenge. But

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 2>perhaps Reggie was as well like and look at her

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>lasting as long as she has. But I think maybe

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 2>what Reggie has that Ben didn't have is is that grit,

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:52.280
<v Speaker 2>that determination to not give up. Yeah, and she doesn't complain,

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 2>whereas well Ben does his complain And we love him

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 2>for it, but I just I don't. I don't think

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 2>he would have been an asset to anybody's game. And

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>he is such a heart player. I mean, you wouldn't

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 2>even call him a player. He just is what he is.

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 2>But I know that in that game he would only

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:16.719
<v Speaker 2>be making moves based on emotion, which, oh god, I

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have played with him. I would have booted him first.

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because I did play with Ben, and I

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 2>was very certain that he would beat me. I actually

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 2>the night he left, I knew I won the show.

0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I knew I had won the show the night Ben left.

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 2>It's no surprise. I don't think that they didn't include

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 2>him because I don't think he would have handled the

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:42.720
<v Speaker 2>situation of the game. It was such a different, different beast.

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Now, if the competition did have a moment where there

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:48.359
<v Speaker 1>was like some Burt Newton wigs that everyone had to

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>sort into a category of era, you know, it's a

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Burt Newton wig from the seventies, and then everyone else

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>scrambling around trying to put it together, and Ben would

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 1>win that challenge, and that would be amazing television. But

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:04.879
<v Speaker 1>the realities of the competition now is that it's more

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 1>brutal than what it was in twenty thirteen. And I'm

0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 1>still wondering whether or not that version was too brutal

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.400
<v Speaker 1>for him as well. I'm still worried about whether or

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 1>not that was too much for him as a person.

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think post show, imagine living the life

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 2>he had locked in his apartment, to them being shown

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>to the world and embraced, to them going back to

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.799
<v Speaker 2>the apartment. And it's a struggle for all of us

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>to deal with the rise of fifteen minutes in the

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 2>spotlight and then they come back down to earth. But

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:41.920
<v Speaker 2>for him, he is such a brilliant talent, and I

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 2>you see him pop up every now and then, and

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>the love for him is still so strong. I know

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 2>he loves entertaining. I hope it's not the last we've

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 2>ever seen of Ben. I've been trying to convince him

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:56.280
<v Speaker 2>to go on another holiday. He said he never again.

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 2>But it's coming up to the ten year anniversary when

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 2>we went over to the States to Graceland, and I

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 2>reckon I'm going to convince him. I think that's next

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:08.120
<v Speaker 2>year that we'll go away on another holiday and maybe

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.280
<v Speaker 2>film it. Maybe that's what we do every ten years,

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>me and Ben go away on a holiday together and

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 2>grow old together. I always said that i'd marry him

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 2>when we're old if I'm single. I actually give a

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 2>scoop for you. I don't know how to tell you this, No,

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:25.760
<v Speaker 2>I will, I will. When I was single eighteen months ago,

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I messaged Ben and I said, Ben, I'm single, Let's

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 2>do this, Let's go on a date. And he never

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 2>wrote back. What he never wrote back our relationship breakdown.

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:44.839
<v Speaker 2>We're friends now, but there was a moment where we

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 2>stopped being as close as we were, and that was

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>when Ben asked me, are you gay and are you

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.760
<v Speaker 2>with my partner that I was at the time, and

0:43:54.520 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I was scared. I said no. And there was feelings

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:04.879
<v Speaker 2>between Ben and I, and even on the show, I'll

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 2>tell you that I was really confused about I wasn't ready.

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what they meant. But I loved him.

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I really really loved Ben, and I still do. We're

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:17.879
<v Speaker 2>not We're kind of like, we'll check in maybe once

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 2>a year these days, but yeah, it's I don't know.

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I was just too dangerous as a friend

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 2>for him, and I maybe pushed him a little bit

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>too hard, But now I'm a lot softer, I think.

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 1>And anyway, if Scott and Charlene is the moment for

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Soapie's best married moment, I think a marriage between you

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:45.760
<v Speaker 1>and Ben's a Belle is the best marriage.

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 3>In the reality TV world.

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.320
<v Speaker 1>And I think everyone will be Everyone will be watching

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:53.919
<v Speaker 1>and dressed up as your roomsmen or bridesmaids or whatever

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>at home.

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.240
<v Speaker 3>I think it would be an amazing TV moment.

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one day.

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's been a lot of discussion about the

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 1>whole OG Versus Newby. Do you think it was fair

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:09.359
<v Speaker 1>to have an OG versus Newby show and instead of

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 1>just having a full all stars or a brand lass line.

0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, maybe there was flaws in that theme that

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>either it was always going to be three OG's at

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the end, three newbies or a mix, and if it

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 2>was a mix, that the OG would win. If you've

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 2>got to the end, you've done something right. And then

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the beauty of this game is that Australia decides the winner.

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:43.120
<v Speaker 2>It's not like Survivor where the tribe still chooses the winner.

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 2>It would be a different result of this series of

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Big Brother if we chose the winner. I'll let you

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 2>take that as you will.

0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it's a good point to make, because

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, in survival we reward the moves and the

0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 1>resume of a plan.

0:45:58.800 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 3>You know, we're in Big Brother.

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.839
<v Speaker 1>That not what's happening because actually the person who has

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.360
<v Speaker 1>the moves and has the best resume isn't ever going

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>to win because the public always will vote with their heart.

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.440
<v Speaker 1>And I think you know the ogs, people's stories, people's

0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>interaction with these characters for however long has been a

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 1>long time, and it.

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Would be.

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Shown in the episodes. What's up the amount of backstories

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 2>that are being shown in the episodes? Like some people.

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.799
<v Speaker 2>I was made aware from a producer recently of this

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:37.799
<v Speaker 2>term the subconscious winner, and it's who the edit is

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:42.399
<v Speaker 2>ushering the audience to feel should deserve to win and

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:47.359
<v Speaker 2>could leave me angry, but we know that's what we're

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 2>signing up for. That's reality TV these days. You are

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.480
<v Speaker 2>a victim to the edit. And it doesn't stop me

0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 2>from wanting to play. It doesn't make me not congratulate

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 2>the winner when they're crowned as the most loved by Australia,

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:05.759
<v Speaker 2>not the one that's played the hardest game, because I

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 2>guess that's the beauty of Big Brother. It isn't survivor.

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:12.920
<v Speaker 2>It is about connecting with someone that there's an unknown

0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 2>plucked off the street. It was, but now we've got

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 2>these ogs back.

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 1>We could talk about this all day and honestly, hopefully

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>at one point think alcohol will be involved and we

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>will do that at some point, a couple of drinks

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and some theorizing of the theories and breaking it all apart.

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 1>To celebrate Big Brother being celebrated twenty one years being

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 1>seen on Australian screens, I've been asking people Gretel Colleen's

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.880
<v Speaker 1>top ten questions. You and I weren't you know, Sonya

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Krueger was our host, so we never got Gretel Klleen's

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>top ten questions. So this is your first time doing it,

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to run through yeah all questions.

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Are you ready?

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Ready?

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay? What did you miss the most while you're inside

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:52.840
<v Speaker 3>the Big Brother House?

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>My boyfriend?

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Who was your favorite person in Big Brother?

0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I'm terrible at these questions because I'm so indecisive.

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I guess Reggie. I've got to say Reggie.

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Who was your least favorite person in Big Brother twenty

0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty two Mel from Melbourne.

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 2>She was only their short time. I didn't get to

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 2>know her very well. Ooh, it might be a Stelle,

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Stelle or Tarass Can I have two?

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Well it thing sounds like you've picked three, so you're

0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:29.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to narrow it down. We've got mel from Melbourne,

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Terras and Estelle. Who was your least favorite person in

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:32.759
<v Speaker 1>the game.

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's a lord as well others JC I didn't

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 2>really bond with.

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 3>I didn't ask you to add more names to it.

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 3>We're huddling them down.

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 2>The most annoying, Well, what was it my least one?

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 3>I like the yep Estelle who had the most annoying habit?

0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Trevor, the snoring, hated.

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:57.000
<v Speaker 1>It, burping, the farting, the snoring. I think that's what

0:48:57.120 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Lara said.

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<v Speaker 2>I started the worst. I like, I can't believe how

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<v Speaker 2>much I farted in there. Then it must have been

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<v Speaker 2>the bread. They all thought, They're like, you got the

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<v Speaker 2>LSIS asshole team. I'm like, I swear it's the diet.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't far like this in real life.

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<v Speaker 3>Who was the funniest person in the house?

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<v Speaker 2>Funniest I loved Alisha. I know you're not seeing many

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 2>funny Alisha moments. But me and Alisha I have a

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<v Speaker 2>really like like we laugh a lot together and we're

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<v Speaker 2>good friends now and still laugh. But yeah, she's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more funnier than what they're giving her credit.

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<v Speaker 3>For most people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think eighty percent success, right, as has you my

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<v Speaker 1>friend from people so far with you know the most

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<v Speaker 1>of the serious house myself through the podcast. No, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just thought you should know for your own

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>hero wall, for your own hero wall, you can realize

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.759
<v Speaker 1>that people have been saying you who was the laziest

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<v Speaker 1>person in the house?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Gabby, Gabby, Elisha?

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<v Speaker 3>What was your greatest regret?

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Not putting dress up for eviction? What week was it

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<v Speaker 2>we did Johnson and Drew? No, Alisa Johnson JC, the

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<v Speaker 2>week I got rid of JC, should have got rid

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<v Speaker 2>of trass?

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<v Speaker 3>Not what you know?

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<v Speaker 1>But who do you think will be out next following

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<v Speaker 1>you out of the house? Who did you think was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the next person eliminated?

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Alisha or Brenton?

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<v Speaker 1>And who will win if you had to put money

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<v Speaker 1>on it, all the money in the world, or to

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<v Speaker 1>save the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Reggie Renchie of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you've survived Grotaklan's Top ten questions everyone who joins

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, no matter what show or what program we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, we asked them, what is something from behind

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the scenes for you? What is something from behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes of Big Brother that where as an audience didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see that we will not see that is interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe are behind the scenes tasty morsel from your time

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<v Speaker 1>back on Big Brother?

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<v Speaker 2>One time there was Okay, so there's all these doors

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that like have access from the house to the camera

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 2>runs behind it. And one time I was awake early

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.720
<v Speaker 2>in the morning and the one in the bathroom was open,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like Narnia door of Oh, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>behind this door? And I was in my pj's and

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<v Speaker 2>I tip I tiptoed through it and it shut behind me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, holy fuck, I'm locked out of the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Brother House. And I didn't know what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I started walking around in this back camera

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 2>area and there was a guy eating toasts on a

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<v Speaker 2>plastic chair and I'm in my microphone going Big Brother

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<v Speaker 2>helped me. I've been locked out of the Big Brother House.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry. I just walked and walked through a door.

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<v Speaker 2>It was opened. Can someone come and get me. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what to do. It wasn't my fault because like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh gosh, I would have got in big trouble if

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<v Speaker 2>they had have thought that I'm purpose little idea kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that was funny and I was sworn to

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<v Speaker 2>never talk about it again.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've managed to do what I assumed you would do,

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<v Speaker 1>and out of all the housemates on the podcast so far,

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:50.319
<v Speaker 1>you have won with the most the best behind the

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:54.080
<v Speaker 1>scenes secret that maybe it's because I'm a former housemaid

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<v Speaker 1>and that sort of is a strange description of leaving Narnia,

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<v Speaker 1>but very good tim I I kin'd even tell you

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<v Speaker 1>how appreciative I am of your time and for saying

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<v Speaker 1>yes to come on the podcast and even to just

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<v Speaker 1>chew the fat on some stuff that's been evolving for

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<v Speaker 1>the two of us. But I will leave you with this,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is you are a fantastic housemate. You still

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<v Speaker 1>hold the mantle for most of us as the most

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<v Speaker 1>amazing big brother house.

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<v Speaker 3>Meat Australia has ever seen. So thank you for being

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<v Speaker 3>here to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Ben, it's been really special and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>this like it's a real treasure that we've been able

0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 2>to connect and build a friendship now, because like I

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:34.279
<v Speaker 2>spoke on the show, it is a big family and

0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 2>we don't always get along, but we're all linked with

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<v Speaker 2>this amazing opportunity, this experience that we're a part of,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's really lovely that you're still that you made

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<v Speaker 2>the choice to be a part of it in this way.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you my own way.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, all bets are off so we can enjoy that

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<v Speaker 1>good luck. We