Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
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Speaker 1: to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this
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Speaker 1: greatest Big Brother housemate Australia has ever seen. He may
Speaker 1: polarize his viewers, but the love for Tim far outweighs
Speaker 1: the hate. And one thing I know about Tim Dormer
Speaker 1: is his truth packaged up with mischief and intelligent insight
Speaker 1: is always great entertainment. Back in twenty thirteen, Tim played
Speaker 1: Big Brother so well I felt like no one was
Speaker 1: ever going to come close to his celebrated win, and
Speaker 1: in some ways they've really haven't. Sadly, our relationship has
Speaker 1: had less bumps in the road and more rollercoasters than
Speaker 1: any other former housemate. And while we did have a
Speaker 1: lot in common, nothing ever seemed to make sense in
Speaker 1: a feud that has lasted nearly a decade. I have
Speaker 1: to convince the last few months has really been like
Speaker 1: therapy for me, and it's a joy to share this
Speaker 1: chat with you because I've never talked to Tim Dormer
Speaker 1: like this before. Tim was hesitant to return to the
Speaker 1: Big Brother franchise, but without him it would have been
Speaker 1: a massive hole in the series, too wide to jump,
Speaker 1: and Produce has pulled out all the stops to lock
Speaker 1: him down and back in the house. To celebrate twenty
Speaker 1: one years of Big Brother history, Tim will talk problematic relationships,
Speaker 1: including the Amber Herd tweet to Estelle, how ben Zebelle
Speaker 1: would have gone in this new format, his personal journey,
Speaker 1: who he thinks will win, and really so much tea
Speaker 1: will be spilt. I suggest you go and get two
Speaker 1: empty cuffs. However, let's get started with today's guest. I'd
Speaker 1: like to welcome Tim Dormer to t every load.
Speaker 2: But that was the core of the offense and the
Speaker 2: outrage of some of the game moves that I was making.
Speaker 3: We've been through a lot together, haven't we.
Speaker 2: People don't like having their masks peeled off and feeling
Speaker 2: exposed this year it's my twenty first birthday. It's no surprise.
Speaker 2: I don't think that they didn't include him.
Speaker 3: And I'd invited housemaids, both new and legendary.
Speaker 2: I really debrief on my relationship with Estelle. Will experience
Speaker 2: be enough to take on the next generation of housemaid
Speaker 2: I guess what matters to me is the real life
Speaker 2: relationships with those ogs.
Speaker 3: This is Brother Him. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good, Ben, How are you going?
Speaker 3: You're doing really well.
Speaker 1: This is very surreal for me because it's a long
Speaker 1: time coming to be able to have you on a
Speaker 1: podcast and talk to you about all the things that
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to talk to you about. So hopefully
Speaker 1: there's some enjoyment in it for the listener as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, we've got a lot to get through. We have
Speaker 2: a lot of history, and then we've got a whole
Speaker 2: TV show to debrief on.
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on your return to Big Brother. Do you
Speaker 1: know if you hold the record for the most amount
Speaker 1: of time in Big Brother House history?
Speaker 2: No, apparently there's some Big Brothers around the world that
Speaker 2: go for a whole year, like Germany. But I think
Speaker 2: I'm in the top twenty of the people in the
Speaker 2: world that have spent the most amount of days living
Speaker 2: in a Big Brother house. Definitely hold the record in Australia,
Speaker 2: but I'd have to get a few more Big Brothers
Speaker 2: under my belt to make sure I'm number one. Who knows,
Speaker 2: maybe one day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple more. You need to do a couple more.
Speaker 1: That'll be fine, so your krug will be still hosting
Speaker 1: it in twenty years time.
Speaker 2: Haha.
Speaker 1: How did you not get one point on you for
Speaker 1: like fifty days? Were the housemates really silly for not
Speaker 1: trying to get you out much earlier?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Definitely they were stupid. But I'm very smart and that
Speaker 2: was my number one strategy going in was avoid being nominated,
Speaker 2: because I knew as soon as I was nominated, they
Speaker 2: would take their shot. You don't have a big player
Speaker 2: like me staying in the game till the end like
Speaker 2: I did. And in the back of my head, I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: Big Brother saves people, He'll save me if I get
Speaker 2: evicted early on. And I'm really proud that they didn't
Speaker 2: have to play that move that I did it all myself,
Speaker 2: and it took a lot of hard work to avoid
Speaker 2: being nominated, and that was my social game, I guess,
Speaker 2: of building good relationships, fun bonds, but also a bit
Speaker 2: of strategy as well, of sort of intimidation and this
Speaker 2: bluff that I'm not going to come for you until
Speaker 2: you come for me, and if you want to come
Speaker 2: for me, you better make sure you're hit because I'll
Speaker 2: come back all guns blazing. And that worked today fifty six.
Speaker 2: And then I think the biggest the biggest fear for
Speaker 2: me was being nominated being evicted. The first one was nominated,
Speaker 2: and so when that first nomination was a double eviction,
Speaker 2: sitting next to Estelle and Reggie, two of the biggest
Speaker 2: players of the game, I just cannot believe that I
Speaker 2: survived that. But that was, I guess, the fruit of
Speaker 2: all the hard work of the relationships with Johnson and
Speaker 2: Ealsia that I'd built throughout the game, beyond the OG alliance.
Speaker 2: So people criticize my gameplay, but I'm very proud of
Speaker 2: how far I lasted without being nominated, and then to
Speaker 2: survive that double eviction.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they kept you because they knew
Speaker 1: you would do a lot of the dirty work for them.
Speaker 1: I mean, keeping you in the competition allowed you to
Speaker 1: really do a lot of the stuff that they probably
Speaker 1: didn't feel like they could do. But knowing Tim Dormer,
Speaker 1: you know you would do just naturally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was another strategy of mind that I see
Speaker 2: me as an asset and not a threat. I'll always
Speaker 2: be a bigger target than you, so I'll be your
Speaker 2: shield through the whole game, that people will keep wanting
Speaker 2: to get me out, which but they didn't really take
Speaker 2: men shots towards me. I think they always thought that
Speaker 2: maybe later on in the game, or perhaps even they
Speaker 2: were scared of the audience that they knew I had
Speaker 2: a big reputation of the game that if you took
Speaker 2: Tim out too early, you'd lose the audience favor. And
Speaker 2: in a competition where the winner gets decided by the audience,
Speaker 2: I think it had to be the right timing. And
Speaker 2: I don't know that. The newbies who are left in
Speaker 2: the game have got a lot of blood on their hands,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's cost them the win.
Speaker 2: It's kind of catch twenty two. Take me out so
Speaker 2: I don't beat you, or take me out, and then
Speaker 2: the audience doesn't vote for you to win. It sucks
Speaker 2: to be there.
Speaker 1: In the words of Sonya Krueger, it might have might
Speaker 1: have cost you the competition, you know, after three experiences
Speaker 1: on the show. The question that I've seen the most
Speaker 1: online through the fan forums is a question for you
Speaker 1: being which one of these experiences has been your favorite?
Speaker 2: Couldn't choose They're all so different. I mean, obviously the
Speaker 2: first Big Brother of Australia twenty thirteen winning, but just
Speaker 2: where I was in my life at that stage, I
Speaker 2: see the three experiences as different sort of versions of
Speaker 2: Tim at pivotal moments in his life. So twenty thirteen
Speaker 2: was sort of me showing who I was to the world,
Speaker 2: so naive, so unaware that I was such a weirdo
Speaker 2: and that some people wouldn't understand me. And it was
Speaker 2: quite brave for me to put myself out like that,
Speaker 2: and I came out of the house with a bit
Speaker 2: of a reality check. It was like, some people don't
Speaker 2: like you and you are a bit of a weirdo,
Speaker 2: and I guess I had to navigate than fame for
Speaker 2: a little while and my own personal life, like coming out.
Speaker 2: I was in love with a guy and nobody knew
Speaker 2: and everyone thought Tim was this party boy that passed
Speaker 2: all the girls in the Clubs. So then Big Brother Canada,
Speaker 2: where I got to the finale and maybe could have won.
Speaker 2: But there was this really amazing life moment away from
Speaker 2: the game where I was like, it's time for you
Speaker 2: to do something really scary now, and that's put yourself
Speaker 2: out there again a vulnerable side and come out. And
Speaker 2: so that was another amazing chapter in my life to
Speaker 2: then life got really bloody hard and I lost that
Speaker 2: relationship and had terrible heartbreak, hit rock bottom, nearly gave
Speaker 2: up on life. In the last eighteen months. It was
Speaker 2: a really rough time where I experienced a lot of
Speaker 2: loss and grief and hated the world, hated Tim, and
Speaker 2: had to put myself back together and slowly this sort
Speaker 2: of new version of Tim that was a lot wiser
Speaker 2: and softer because I'd been hurt so bad. I got
Speaker 2: the call to go back to the game, and it's
Speaker 2: now this moment of sort of being afraid to put
Speaker 2: myself back out there, but I did it, and I've
Speaker 2: been embraced again, and I'm so proud of myself and
Speaker 2: I feel like a winner even though I'm out of
Speaker 2: the game, and so I couldn't. All three of them
Speaker 2: are such pivotal chapters in my life that I'm so
Speaker 2: thankful to be able to share that with the audience,
Speaker 2: and I thank the Brother for the vehicle of being
Speaker 2: able to do that.
Speaker 1: So what sort of things were you talking about when Lisa,
Speaker 1: one of the producers, rang you to start that conversation
Speaker 1: about you doing Big Brother again? And the game had
Speaker 1: evolved and this iteration of it is different to what
Speaker 1: you've done in Australia before, probably more similar in some
Speaker 1: ways to Canada. But what was that conversation like, if
Speaker 1: you don't mind me asking, what were the hesitations and
Speaker 1: what were you spitballing with her?
Speaker 2: What were you saying, yeah, yeah, good question, because it
Speaker 2: wasn't a yes straight away. I think the fact they
Speaker 2: got Lisa to call me Lisa works back on my
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen season as a low level producer, but me
Speaker 2: and Drew had a bit of a crush on her,
Speaker 2: and so it's funny that now she's the boss, she's
Speaker 2: the executive producer, and they get her to call me
Speaker 2: to ask me if i'd go back, because I think
Speaker 2: they thought that my time on Big Brother was done,
Speaker 2: and I think it was I wasn't considering doing another
Speaker 2: series or any television and I said that to her.
Speaker 2: I said, what you're asking me to do is to
Speaker 2: be Tim from Big Brother again. And it was almost
Speaker 2: like putting on this hat. And I knew how to
Speaker 2: do the dance. I'd done it before. I mean, people
Speaker 2: still came up to me on the street, but it
Speaker 2: really had died down, and I'd kind of liked that
Speaker 2: I'd built a life away from this character of Tim
Speaker 2: from Big Brother. I was working in disability care, studying
Speaker 2: mindfulness and meditation teaching. There was nothing about my life
Speaker 2: that was kind of performing anymore, and I just, yeah,
Speaker 2: I wasn't very interested in putting myself out there because
Speaker 2: I'd been hurt by someone that I loved so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know what got me was she said we're
Speaker 2: doing we want to do something for the fans and
Speaker 2: the idea that they were going to bring back other
Speaker 2: people and she told me Reggie was one of the names.
Speaker 2: Because I said, well, if you're not going to pay
Speaker 2: me well I deserve, then you're going to tell me
Speaker 2: some information about the show, like who's coming back, And
Speaker 2: she said Reggie and that made me realize, wow, wow,
Speaker 2: that's the big guns. Like I was a huge Reggie fan,
Speaker 2: and none knew that they meant business. They wanted to
Speaker 2: do something for the fans, and the fans it's a
Speaker 2: relationship that go beyond the family of the housemates on
Speaker 2: the show. You become part of the audience's family. I
Speaker 2: mean they're watching you in their living room eating dinner. Well,
Speaker 2: we're kind of waking up in the morning, cleaning the toilets,
Speaker 2: baking dinner for everyone on the show. Like it's a
Speaker 2: very kind of intimate relationship you form and they think
Speaker 2: they know you really, really well, and they've helped me
Speaker 2: through some of the really tough times in my life
Speaker 2: that I thought, gosh, if I say no to this, like,
Speaker 2: what would this be without Tim from Big Brother? And
Speaker 2: maybe this is a chance to come back and and
Speaker 2: tell my story and fill in some of the gaps
Speaker 2: of my life and show a new version of me
Speaker 2: that is a bit wiser and softer that wasn't always
Speaker 2: shown in the series. Let's face it, the game player, loudmouth,
Speaker 2: idiot version of Tim is a lot more interesting to
Speaker 2: watch the kind, caring, thoughtful Tim. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: the audiences that have followed my whole journey understand who
Speaker 2: I am and it's been a joy to come back.
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing for you to share that because
Speaker 1: it really is your hook moment, you know, whether or
Speaker 1: not you know the Steven Spielberg film Hook. You know,
Speaker 1: can Peter Pan fly again? Can you find that magic?
Speaker 1: And then I guess once you put into that experience,
Speaker 1: to put back into Neverland otherwise known to us as
Speaker 1: the Big Brother House, you know, does it remind you
Speaker 1: of the best parts about you? Does it unearth things
Speaker 1: that you'd forgotten?
Speaker 2: Oh, then that's going to make me cry. That's really
Speaker 2: the best question I've ever had, because yeah, a Big
Speaker 2: Brother was like a land of mate believe for me.
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen when I won, I said, this is
Speaker 2: my dream world. Like it's not real, but it is.
Speaker 2: I guess, like it is an alternate universe living in
Speaker 2: that game, and I think I lived my life after
Speaker 2: the show in a bit of an altered universe of
Speaker 2: make believe. And it's beautiful, it's fun. And my friends
Speaker 2: would say, yeah, being in Tim's world is amazing, but yeah,
Speaker 2: there's some hard things in life as well, isn't there
Speaker 2: The reality check is that it's not a land of
Speaker 2: make believe? And I went through some pretty rough life
Speaker 2: lessons to then Yeah, going back to the game is
Speaker 2: do I play and have fun? And yeah, can I
Speaker 2: create the magic? Has Peter Fan grown up? And that
Speaker 2: was I think that my special moment was very quickly going,
Speaker 2: hang on a minute, I loving this, I'm having a
Speaker 2: lot of fun here and I'm good at this. And
Speaker 2: it was like, again, you're right. It was I could
Speaker 2: trust myself. It was like all this confidence that had
Speaker 2: been broken out of me through the life challenges. I
Speaker 2: fell in love with tim again and made sense of
Speaker 2: myself in a more holistic way that yeah, there's parts
Speaker 2: of me that can be mean, but that I am
Speaker 2: lovable at heart and I know who I really am,
Speaker 2: that life lessons had taught me what really matters, and
Speaker 2: that I could turn up and play again. That was
Speaker 2: what I needed right then, was to sort of fall
Speaker 2: in love with myself, and I did that through playing
Speaker 2: Big Brother again.
Speaker 1: Well, personally, it's been really nice to be able to
Speaker 1: see this side to you, you know, and without knowing
Speaker 1: all of the backstory, without knowing about all the scratches
Speaker 1: and you know, the scars that have probably happened along
Speaker 1: the way. It's amazing to have been able to watch
Speaker 1: your journey evolve like this, and also behind closed doors
Speaker 1: with you and I, I've been able to see that
Speaker 1: you are a very lovely friend. You know, you were
Speaker 1: very warm, and I don't know whether everyone gets to
Speaker 1: have that from you, because everyone wants a piece of you,
Speaker 1: and if you do get lucky enough to be in
Speaker 1: your audience to appreciate those sort of qualities, it's been
Speaker 1: quite amazing.
Speaker 3: So I'm very glad that we've been able to connect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Ben, I mean yeah, we've we had a
Speaker 2: bit of a sort of tumultuous history, don't we. I
Speaker 2: guess it started with I was perhaps going to be
Speaker 2: an intruder in your season, and I remember like emailing
Speaker 2: the executive uties at the times I get me in
Speaker 2: there to take Ben down. And then this is how
Speaker 2: a Stelle fits into our relationship as well, is that
Speaker 2: we then formed this friendship after the show, me and
Speaker 2: a Stelle and you were this other guy, this sort
Speaker 2: of villain that had won, and then I came along
Speaker 2: and won. And there's always tension between the winners of
Speaker 2: the shows, isn't there? And Estelle kind of was in
Speaker 2: between our relationship and it's it's only been now in
Speaker 2: being back involved with the show and in chatting to
Speaker 2: you privately, that we've been able to bury the hatchet
Speaker 2: of the past and realize that we have a lot
Speaker 2: more in common than we probably gave each other credit for.
Speaker 2: And and I like that that you can have conflict
Speaker 2: with someone and and resolve it. I think that that
Speaker 2: I can be quite a polarizing character, and some people
Speaker 2: can misunderstand me or feel hurt by me. But I'm
Speaker 2: very open to reconciliation and softness, and I like peace.
Speaker 2: I sometimes think that conflict is necessary to get to peace.
Speaker 2: But we were quite real with each other off during
Speaker 2: this current season and now, Yeah, I would count you
Speaker 2: as a friend. You've been very supportive of me through
Speaker 2: the conflict that I've had with a Stelle this season.
Speaker 2: And Yeah, it's such a isn't it? A incestuous family?
Speaker 2: The Big Brother world and the real gossip, the real
Speaker 2: drama happens not on the TV show, but in all
Speaker 2: the ongoing relationships of people that have played the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because like it's been a bit like
Speaker 1: therapy for me, and I went on a real journey
Speaker 1: with the series coming back and not being asked to
Speaker 1: do it. You know, I felt so excluded, and I
Speaker 1: felt like they were rewriting the history of Big Brother
Speaker 1: to not include me. However, I felt like it was
Speaker 1: the perfect divinity or whatever that's saying, is where I
Speaker 1: felt like this was where I was supposed to be.
Speaker 3: And I have learnt so much from it.
Speaker 1: So once I gave up that jealousy and that anger
Speaker 1: and that disappointment and able to enjoy the series for
Speaker 1: what it is like, I've actually been able to be
Speaker 1: rewarded with some amazing things out of it, being putting
Speaker 1: some things to bed and then realizing this is where
Speaker 1: I should be. Being able to talk to all of
Speaker 1: your housemates has just been an amazing and joyous experience
Speaker 1: for me. So we are in the right place at
Speaker 1: the right time sometimes.
Speaker 2: Hey, oh absolutely, And I'm like, that's something that really
Speaker 2: impressed me about your decision not being a part of
Speaker 2: the show, but to still be a part of the
Speaker 2: show with what you do in interviewing us all and
Speaker 2: the insight you have about what it means to play
Speaker 2: the game. And I mean just this chat now, this
Speaker 2: is the most realist and deepest interview that I've had
Speaker 2: out of the experience and it's really special that you
Speaker 2: decided to have that role with the show and it's
Speaker 2: brought you joy back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has so weird. It's so weird.
Speaker 1: I could have been drinking on my balcony and smoking
Speaker 1: and yelling at people and tweeting at people. You're an
Speaker 1: asshole and you know sure have been that person before.
Speaker 1: But I hope to think that I learned my mistakes.
Speaker 1: And also I'm probably I would say, one of Australia's
Speaker 1: biggest Big Brother fans of all time. So you know,
Speaker 1: when my partner goes away for then, I usually watch
Speaker 1: reruns of old episode it's a Big Brother and people
Speaker 1: would think that's really sad and not my series either.
Speaker 1: I'll go back and watch like hours and hours and
Speaker 1: hours of old series from two thousand and three. You know,
Speaker 1: it's mad, it's mad, but it's my place and I'm
Speaker 1: just going to appreciate it for what it means.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's beautiful, and you never know, they probably
Speaker 2: like Big Brother is one of those things that I
Speaker 2: think will just keep coming back. If he has a
Speaker 2: few years off, he'll keep coming back. So it's something
Speaker 2: we'll always be tied to and who knows you might
Speaker 2: be playing again one day.
Speaker 1: In my mind, it was always to be playing against
Speaker 1: you and playing against Reggie. And do you know, Tim,
Speaker 1: I would have nightmares about being in the house with
Speaker 1: you because for a spoiler alert for people listening to this,
Speaker 1: I have always been intimidated by your gameplay because my
Speaker 1: gameplay was very different. And I just know that if
Speaker 1: I was in a house in a Big Brother universe
Speaker 1: with you, I think I would psych myself out.
Speaker 3: I think i'd and I think I have put a
Speaker 3: lo I'm through my name very quickly early on.
Speaker 2: But you know what I think, I don't actually even
Speaker 2: I can't tell you what my gameplay is, but I
Speaker 2: just I don't know. What's helped our relationship is that
Speaker 2: we're both real with each other and put gameplay aside.
Speaker 2: And I think I could have worked with anyone in
Speaker 2: that game as long as they're willing to be real
Speaker 2: with me and maybe see me as deeper than just
Speaker 2: Tim from Big Brother the game player. And that's really
Speaker 2: important to me in real life that I form those deeper,
Speaker 2: real connections with people. But I guess that's where a
Speaker 2: lot of hurt comes from, is that when you're playing
Speaker 2: the game and making these game moves. Some of the
Speaker 2: ogs felt quite portrayed by me, but all's fair in
Speaker 2: love and war in the game afterwards, we're really close
Speaker 2: now besides the cell and that's something that I'll work on.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into that in a second. But in
Speaker 1: my mind, you were the most entertaining housemate of this
Speaker 1: all over again, you know, and you might not take
Speaker 1: out the title of being the winner, but you certainly
Speaker 1: have walked away with the biggest impression on its audience.
Speaker 1: You know, why does your personality lend itself to this
Speaker 1: format so well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it is. I remember chatting
Speaker 2: to the host and executive producer Arista Cox of Big
Speaker 2: Brother Canada. I told her that I was going back
Speaker 2: to do this season and she said, oh, you'll win.
Speaker 2: She's like, I've not met anyone that has the magic
Speaker 2: ingredients to go so far in this game that it
Speaker 2: just suits you so well. I guess it is that
Speaker 2: sort of strategic mastermind, even obsessive I think from a gameplay,
Speaker 2: but then the television side of entertainment that I'm aware
Speaker 2: of what makes engaging TV. I think I learned that
Speaker 2: from being a fan of the show of watching it
Speaker 2: and knowing what what I liked as an audience member
Speaker 2: to see. Yeah, and I guess just not being afraid
Speaker 2: to show my uniqueness. It's just something that I've always
Speaker 2: my whole life. I've never really struggled with being self
Speaker 2: conscious about trying to fit in. I actually and the opposite.
Speaker 2: If I feel like I'm being normal or just one
Speaker 2: of the group, I feel really uncomfortable. So I guess
Speaker 2: I just shine as a bit of a unique weirdo.
Speaker 2: And I love that that that's happening on television because
Speaker 2: growing up, I don't think there was too much of that,
Speaker 2: Like it was quite made archetypes on Big Brother the
Speaker 2: pretty girls and the masculine men and the geeks and
Speaker 2: everyone like what box does Tim fit into. I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's a box for me. And I'm so
Speaker 2: proud of that in life. But for everyone watching that,
Speaker 2: that's my message, be yourself, Like, don't feel as though
Speaker 2: you have to pretend to be anything you're not or
Speaker 2: dim your light, like just love yourself and shine it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I think is a bit of my magic
Speaker 2: when I go into the Big Brother House is that
Speaker 2: it's my chance to show everyone who Tim is.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I think you really challenge people in a way which
Speaker 1: is great television. I think that you interact with people
Speaker 1: in a way which can sometimes expose people's flaws, and
Speaker 1: not in a malicious way. I want to be really
Speaker 1: clear with that, like I think.
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes sometimes I do not do it kindly.
Speaker 1: I think, but that's a part of you showing people
Speaker 1: who they are. And one thing that I learned from
Speaker 1: watching you this series is getting people to see something
Speaker 1: about themselves they might not necessarily feel comfortable with, and
Speaker 1: then watching you see how they take that on board.
Speaker 1: And I can see it in your face that if
Speaker 1: their response is repulsion to your design of how they are,
Speaker 1: that's an answer. But if they flounder and they don't
Speaker 1: know what to do with it, you know, that's sort
Speaker 1: of where you can use it at them in the game.
Speaker 3: But I think sometimes that is quite Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes that's really interesting for us as viewers
Speaker 1: to be able to watch and see how people want
Speaker 1: to I don't.
Speaker 2: Even know that about myself, but yes, yes, it's very true.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is that I have a
Speaker 2: way of being a mirror to someone's true self or
Speaker 2: insecurity and people don't like having their masks peeled off
Speaker 2: and feeling exposed. It makes a great television You're right,
Speaker 2: and in a game perspective, it is power to have
Speaker 2: over someone. And maybe that's the manipulation, is that I'm
Speaker 2: able to see people or read people for who they are,
Speaker 2: maybe even sometimes better than themselves. My life lesson is
Speaker 2: when to use that in real life and how to
Speaker 2: use it. And I don't always get it right. I
Speaker 2: don't always get it right in the game. I don't
Speaker 2: always get it right in real life. I don't know
Speaker 2: how that skill can be used in real life. I've
Speaker 2: yet to work it out. But it works well on
Speaker 2: Big Brother and Reality TV.
Speaker 3: Just dig through the bag.
Speaker 1: Actually, the thing that you don't know about yourself that
Speaker 1: you're gonna hate is.
Speaker 3: This and show it to them and they're like, what
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 1: And that's just fun to watch people be, you know,
Speaker 1: challenged by it in a way. I mean also, I
Speaker 1: think in some ways that has seen your fan base
Speaker 1: respond differently in some ways as well online and I
Speaker 1: noticed that you're online reading what people are saying, and
Speaker 1: I think that's been really hard. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: think that at times you had been too ruthless this
Speaker 1: time around compared to what Australian knew of you last time.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, yeah, I wonder. I think. I think I probably
Speaker 2: was the same level of ruthlessness, but it's the level
Speaker 2: of love for the Ogs that then it seemed like
Speaker 2: more of a betrayal to me that I would make
Speaker 2: choices to work against the Og alliance. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: if if that was the core of the offense and
Speaker 2: the outrage of some of the game moves that I
Speaker 2: was making, which is really sad, I think. Oh, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's beautiful that people have such strong passion for these players,
Speaker 2: but it was at the cost of people getting behind
Speaker 2: the new players, the newbies, who just as human, just
Speaker 2: as interesting, just as lovable. And the edit has a
Speaker 2: lot to do with this. I guess that saddened me
Speaker 2: a little bit that there was this idea that the
Speaker 2: Ogs were immortals, or this illusion that they were playing
Speaker 2: the game with some kind of moral integrity, and anyone
Speaker 2: that acted against that was this horrible person that yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a lowsy human being, but no, it was
Speaker 2: just a game move. It had nothing to do with
Speaker 2: real life choices.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Big Brother isn't life. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where the confusion might be. Someone's moralistic and perfect
Speaker 1: design on how to be as a person in the
Speaker 1: real world actually doesn't lend itself, you know, being the
Speaker 1: best person being, having the best morals and the best
Speaker 1: integrity and all of that doesn't actually work inside Big Brother.
Speaker 1: And that's where you're going to keep budding. You're going
Speaker 1: to keep hitting a wall with it, because an actual fact,
Speaker 1: the game is about making big moves and doing things
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't do in the real world that are
Speaker 1: not tolerated in the real world.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And anyone that questions otherwise, I think was
Speaker 2: lying to themselves or really hypocritical. We were all playing
Speaker 2: the same game, we were all making the same moves,
Speaker 2: and if you asked any of them, honestly, they all
Speaker 2: wanted to win. But this idea that I was playing
Speaker 2: my own game, it was just an easy line to
Speaker 2: point the finger at me. It hurts. It actually hurt
Speaker 2: because some of the audience would say, you're not as
Speaker 2: fun as you were last time, or you're nasty. But
Speaker 2: it was just because I've owed Dave out or didn't
Speaker 2: want Estelle to beat me. Yeah, so I think overall
Speaker 2: people understand, and I guess what matters to me is
Speaker 2: the real life relationships with those ogs, and like, we're
Speaker 2: all good. I'm good with everyone bar Aestelle, and we'll
Speaker 2: have our chance to chat. And I think she really
Speaker 2: struggled with separating game from real life relationship, and at
Speaker 2: times I felt like she used emotions and sort of
Speaker 2: this outrage and how dare I? But that was sort
Speaker 2: of like this expected loyalty, that I would be loyal
Speaker 2: to her when at the detriment of my game. No, no,
Speaker 2: not at the detriment of my game.
Speaker 1: Well, isn't it funny the similarities that we the parallel
Speaker 1: of you and I. I got to live with a
Speaker 1: cell and you got to live with a stell And
Speaker 1: then in some ways maybe the narcissist in me and
Speaker 1: the way in which it processes for me, I'm like
Speaker 1: you then became me, and you know, my struggle with
Speaker 1: her during that time on the show then became your struggle.
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing for me to watch was how
Speaker 1: you were going to cope with now being in that position,
Speaker 1: Because what I didn't cope with or I didn't do well,
Speaker 1: was being able to process how to deal with her.
Speaker 1: You know, I saw some of her qualities as just
Speaker 1: really frustrating to me, and so instead of being able
Speaker 1: to be mature about it and break it down, I
Speaker 1: sort of behaved badly. And that now I get to
Speaker 1: watch you can try and work out what the right
Speaker 1: thing to do is as well, and see that you
Speaker 1: also struggle with it makes something inside of me heal
Speaker 1: a little bit because I've beat myself up for it
Speaker 1: for so long thinking I'm a terrible person, where now
Speaker 1: I know who she is as a person, A beautiful,
Speaker 1: wonderful person can be really challenging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, It's funny that you noticed yourself in
Speaker 2: my role in the relationship with a stell. She it
Speaker 2: came to a point in the house where she said,
Speaker 2: you are exactly like Ben Norris him and I said stop, no,
Speaker 2: like you're the common denominator in this. And it made
Speaker 2: me totally shift my relationship with you to realize, oh wow,
Speaker 2: she's created in us this villain to reinforce her identity
Speaker 2: as a victim. And yeah, I mean, it's very sensitive
Speaker 2: to talk about this because I don't know if Estelle
Speaker 2: wants to chat about it in this way, but I
Speaker 2: didn't think it was fair in the game, and then
Speaker 2: especially in the way she engaged with the audiences to
Speaker 2: create that character in us and engage and fuel the
Speaker 2: fan sort of mistrust in me, and even like, what
Speaker 2: was the final straw for me was when she was
Speaker 2: alleging the verbal abuse had happened in the house and
Speaker 2: then you're not seeing just how bad it was. That's
Speaker 2: dangerous legally for defamation. And how did I respond? Not well,
Speaker 2: I responded with an awful tweet back that was out
Speaker 2: of hurt because I don't know why Stelle was doing that,
Speaker 2: and I had been gone on for a few weeks
Speaker 2: and I'd lived through it in the house where we'd
Speaker 2: have these arguments about lollies, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden it was about respect and how awful of a
Speaker 2: person I was, and I'm saying, no, it's just about
Speaker 2: the lollies of Stelle, and it felt like she was
Speaker 2: attacking my character where it never was about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that tweet that I responded back was out of
Speaker 2: hurt and it was insensitive, and yeah, I've addressed it.
Speaker 2: I've got a podcast that's out where I really debrief
Speaker 2: on my relationship with Estelle, and I apologize for that comment,
Speaker 2: and I'm in a stell to chat to me off air,
Speaker 2: on air whatever. I've been chatting to Reggie about it
Speaker 2: and sort of saying, Reggie, I want to resolve this
Speaker 2: with Estelle before finale. I don't want that it be
Speaker 2: bad blood in the family before the game's over. And
Speaker 2: Reggie agrees, and she's trying to act as sort of
Speaker 2: the mediator, Yeah, mediator between a Stell and I, which
Speaker 2: happened a lot in the house, but Estelle so far hasn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot on our plates at the
Speaker 2: moment with her being evicted as well this week, and
Speaker 2: so I hope we do get a chance. I hope
Speaker 2: it's not on stage live at finale that we need
Speaker 2: each other to chat, because there was a real friendship
Speaker 2: there that I don't know if the game has cost us.
Speaker 3: I think, you know is to jump in there.
Speaker 1: It's I think the amber her tweet was inappropriate, but
Speaker 1: I could see where you're coming from and in a
Speaker 1: place of fear. When I'm in a place of fear,
Speaker 1: I always seem to react badly, Like if I'm confused
Speaker 1: about something and I'm worried about something and I feel
Speaker 1: boxed in this fear creates anger, Anger creates I think
Speaker 1: it's a Star Wars quote, but I think that is
Speaker 1: where the tweet came from. And even yourself already now
Speaker 1: at the stage. I mean, it could take years to
Speaker 1: say that was the wrong thing to tweet, but you're
Speaker 1: already saying it's the wrong thing to tweet. You already
Speaker 1: understand that, you know it probably wasn't the right the
Speaker 1: right construction of the sentence. I mean, yes, people read
Speaker 1: into it and could see where you're coming from, but
Speaker 1: then other people read into it in a worse way,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's not what you and that's not
Speaker 1: what your intention was, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like so, h so you can create a really difficult
Speaker 1: way for us to understand how to communicate appropriately.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. And we've talked about the frustration of trying
Speaker 2: to communicate with a still and when you're caught in
Speaker 2: an argument with a stell a still never takes responsibility
Speaker 2: for her actions, Tim does. I am one of the
Speaker 2: first to say I got that wrong or oops, sorry,
Speaker 2: I want to learn, I want to be better, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, there was a lot of hurt, like
Speaker 2: you said on my part from Estelle the same. She
Speaker 2: feels very hurt from me that I didn't play the
Speaker 2: game with her, but it's not because I'm a bad person.
Speaker 1: Well, the villain thing is where it jumps in. You know,
Speaker 1: people now call you a villain, and that's the weirdest
Speaker 1: thing in the world to me, because when someone presents
Speaker 1: a word that's so uncomfortable with you, you think that's
Speaker 1: not who I am.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: For me, a fan once said to me, maybe two
Speaker 1: years after the show, it was like the Elspeth moment
Speaker 1: from Wicked was when they connected with me and they
Speaker 1: realized that the villain was not the villain and there
Speaker 1: was just a different perspect And I'm not that familiar
Speaker 1: with Wicked.
Speaker 3: I'm really not.
Speaker 1: I have seen the music Hall, but I saw that
Speaker 1: before I did Big Brother, so I remember seeing that
Speaker 1: music hall very long time ago. But you know where
Speaker 1: I'm coming from, Tim, don't you where It's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that I wasn't the villain or that I
Speaker 1: was the hero. I'm just talking about the ability to
Speaker 1: be able to see things in it from different perspective entirely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I guess that's the limitations that reality
Speaker 2: TV has it, they have to tell a simplified version
Speaker 2: of the story for the audience, and sometimes we are
Speaker 2: cast into characters that are quite two D and there's
Speaker 2: always a lot more going on, and I guess some
Speaker 2: of the audience members can see it on a deeper level,
Speaker 2: and when they chat to us online or they meet
Speaker 2: us in real life, they sort of see the real person,
Speaker 2: not the two D version that was in the someone
Speaker 2: else's narrative of what happened. So we're victims to the
Speaker 2: edits narrative. But it plays on you, doesn't it That
Speaker 2: Am I that person? And I think whatever reality TV
Speaker 2: show it is, a lot of people then feel like
Speaker 2: they have to keep being that version, and that's who
Speaker 2: the people on the street want to meet, or they
Speaker 2: spend their entire post show experience trying to prove that
Speaker 2: they weren't that person, and that is exhausting, And I
Speaker 2: guess for me, it's I always know that I'm hard
Speaker 2: to understand. There's a lot of complex layers of tim
Speaker 2: and some people are only going to see the top
Speaker 2: and they're going to only see what they want to see.
Speaker 2: They're not my people.
Speaker 1: It's taken me years to put those words together that
Speaker 1: you're saying, like you know, and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't actually have to be the person that other
Speaker 1: people have created, you know, of me. You know they
Speaker 1: they aren't seeing the whole picture. It's okay to still
Speaker 1: be the worst parts of my personality which I can't
Speaker 1: get rid of, Like I have to start to love
Speaker 1: myself for the things that I hate about myself as
Speaker 1: opposed to being controlled by it.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, yes, that was what was very liberating
Speaker 2: for me going back, was going, Okay, there is this
Speaker 2: rap bag side of me, but you know, I know
Speaker 2: that I'm more than that, and I'm okay with it,
Speaker 2: and I don't have to prove that to anybody watching.
Speaker 2: Let's have some fun. I'll play the rascal just so
Speaker 2: it's an entertaining show. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I'm okay with me and I don't need to prove
Speaker 2: that to you.
Speaker 3: I love hearing it.
Speaker 1: Yes, more therapy. We're not paying for this therapy either,
Speaker 1: so this is cheap therapy. My friend, you know, is
Speaker 1: tarras described by yourself as a sneaky rat?
Speaker 3: Is he just ten two point zero?
Speaker 2: I know? You know what I worked out very early
Speaker 2: on in the game. The story of Big Brother doesn't
Speaker 2: show how much I knew Tarras was a threat early
Speaker 2: on and was trying to get rid of him. Tried
Speaker 2: with the Ogs, but Dave had a deal with Taras
Speaker 2: that they weren'ting to vote for each other, and Estelle
Speaker 2: had a really close bond with Tarass that she wouldn't
Speaker 2: target him. I knew he was holding back on challenges
Speaker 2: and when the time would come, he would just win
Speaker 2: them all. And yeah, I was really I didn't think
Speaker 2: he'd be the one to take me out, but I'm
Speaker 2: not surprised, and it's left me in a funny position
Speaker 2: because it's like, do I now hate him for taking
Speaker 2: me out? No, I actually feel the opposite. I'm like, congratulations, mate,
Speaker 2: he probably had the best gameplay in this season. And
Speaker 2: does that deserve to win? Depends what you want to
Speaker 2: decide the best strategy was, or how you decide the winner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you and I like that.
Speaker 1: You and I value that, so you and I would
Speaker 1: probably vote for someone like Taras to win because we
Speaker 1: love that, you know, go and do it and go.
Speaker 3: Hard sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But will I mean you're looking at Chad and looking
Speaker 1: at Marley and looking at the winners that are coming
Speaker 1: out of these series, it isn't the person who plays
Speaker 1: the most complicated and vicious, vicious game. Whoever's left in
Speaker 1: the final three when Australia is finally allowed to vote
Speaker 1: for he is the person who's been the nice one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Unfortunately for Tarass, I don't necessarily think
Speaker 1: he's going to win. But maybe this conversation we allow
Speaker 1: people to see it differently and support him.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, and I said that to Tarasse at my
Speaker 2: final eviction, was like, you have a pr nightmare on
Speaker 2: your hands to try and convince Australia to vote for
Speaker 2: you to win, like a wake of og bodies in
Speaker 2: your path to the to the finish line. I don't
Speaker 2: think he considered that. I don't think that was part
Speaker 2: of the weakness in his social game, was that, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's sneaky and at a lied point blank to people's
Speaker 2: face to advance his game, that that would catch up
Speaker 2: with him at some point. And yeah, I think perhaps
Speaker 2: if it wasn't og versus newby, it was just newbies
Speaker 2: and Tarass had done that, maybe Australia would love him
Speaker 2: for it. But this love for the ogs he's got,
Speaker 2: No none of them had any chance. I think if
Speaker 2: any og got to the finish line.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a tough one. Well, stepping out
Speaker 1: of that, because you know, we could talk about that
Speaker 1: element of what's going to happen in the finale, you know,
Speaker 1: in broad sense, for a very long time. But on
Speaker 1: a lighter sense, I need to ask, how do you
Speaker 1: think Benzabelle would have gone if he was in the competition?
Speaker 1: Because the outcry on his social media for him not
Speaker 1: being included was enormous, like enormous, and people want to
Speaker 1: see Benzebelle back on television. But the question I have
Speaker 1: for you, and the question I don't have an answer
Speaker 1: for you to give back to you, is how would
Speaker 1: Benzebell go in a competition like this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I guess he would be terrible at challenges.
Speaker 2: There'd be no chance he'd ever win a challenge. But
Speaker 2: perhaps Reggie was as well like and look at her
Speaker 2: lasting as long as she has. But I think maybe
Speaker 2: what Reggie has that Ben didn't have is is that grit,
Speaker 2: that determination to not give up. Yeah, and she doesn't complain,
Speaker 2: whereas well Ben does his complain And we love him
Speaker 2: for it, but I just I don't. I don't think
Speaker 2: he would have been an asset to anybody's game. And
Speaker 2: he is such a heart player. I mean, you wouldn't
Speaker 2: even call him a player. He just is what he is.
Speaker 2: But I know that in that game he would only
Speaker 2: be making moves based on emotion, which, oh god, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have played with him. I would have booted him first.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I did play with Ben, and I
Speaker 2: was very certain that he would beat me. I actually
Speaker 2: the night he left, I knew I won the show.
Speaker 2: I knew I had won the show the night Ben left.
Speaker 2: It's no surprise. I don't think that they didn't include
Speaker 2: him because I don't think he would have handled the
Speaker 2: situation of the game. It was such a different, different beast.
Speaker 1: Now, if the competition did have a moment where there
Speaker 1: was like some Burt Newton wigs that everyone had to
Speaker 1: sort into a category of era, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: Burt Newton wig from the seventies, and then everyone else
Speaker 1: scrambling around trying to put it together, and Ben would
Speaker 1: win that challenge, and that would be amazing television. But
Speaker 1: the realities of the competition now is that it's more
Speaker 1: brutal than what it was in twenty thirteen. And I'm
Speaker 1: still wondering whether or not that version was too brutal
Speaker 1: for him as well. I'm still worried about whether or
Speaker 1: not that was too much for him as a person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think post show, imagine living the life
Speaker 2: he had locked in his apartment, to them being shown
Speaker 2: to the world and embraced, to them going back to
Speaker 2: the apartment. And it's a struggle for all of us
Speaker 2: to deal with the rise of fifteen minutes in the
Speaker 2: spotlight and then they come back down to earth. But
Speaker 2: for him, he is such a brilliant talent, and I
Speaker 2: you see him pop up every now and then, and
Speaker 2: the love for him is still so strong. I know
Speaker 2: he loves entertaining. I hope it's not the last we've
Speaker 2: ever seen of Ben. I've been trying to convince him
Speaker 2: to go on another holiday. He said he never again.
Speaker 2: But it's coming up to the ten year anniversary when
Speaker 2: we went over to the States to Graceland, and I
Speaker 2: reckon I'm going to convince him. I think that's next
Speaker 2: year that we'll go away on another holiday and maybe
Speaker 2: film it. Maybe that's what we do every ten years,
Speaker 2: me and Ben go away on a holiday together and
Speaker 2: grow old together. I always said that i'd marry him
Speaker 2: when we're old if I'm single. I actually give a
Speaker 2: scoop for you. I don't know how to tell you this, No,
Speaker 2: I will, I will. When I was single eighteen months ago,
Speaker 2: I messaged Ben and I said, Ben, I'm single, Let's
Speaker 2: do this, Let's go on a date. And he never
Speaker 2: wrote back. What he never wrote back our relationship breakdown.
Speaker 2: We're friends now, but there was a moment where we
Speaker 2: stopped being as close as we were, and that was
Speaker 2: when Ben asked me, are you gay and are you
Speaker 2: with my partner that I was at the time, and
Speaker 2: I was scared. I said no. And there was feelings
Speaker 2: between Ben and I, and even on the show, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you that I was really confused about I wasn't ready.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what they meant. But I loved him.
Speaker 2: I really really loved Ben, and I still do. We're
Speaker 2: not We're kind of like, we'll check in maybe once
Speaker 2: a year these days, but yeah, it's I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I was just too dangerous as a friend
Speaker 2: for him, and I maybe pushed him a little bit
Speaker 2: too hard, But now I'm a lot softer, I think.
Speaker 1: And anyway, if Scott and Charlene is the moment for
Speaker 1: Soapie's best married moment, I think a marriage between you
Speaker 1: and Ben's a Belle is the best marriage.
Speaker 3: In the reality TV world.
Speaker 1: And I think everyone will be Everyone will be watching
Speaker 1: and dressed up as your roomsmen or bridesmaids or whatever
Speaker 1: at home.
Speaker 3: I think it would be an amazing TV moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one day.
Speaker 1: You know, there's been a lot of discussion about the
Speaker 1: whole OG Versus Newby. Do you think it was fair
Speaker 1: to have an OG versus Newby show and instead of
Speaker 1: just having a full all stars or a brand lass line.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, maybe there was flaws in that theme that
Speaker 2: either it was always going to be three OG's at
Speaker 2: the end, three newbies or a mix, and if it
Speaker 2: was a mix, that the OG would win. If you've
Speaker 2: got to the end, you've done something right. And then
Speaker 2: the beauty of this game is that Australia decides the winner.
Speaker 2: It's not like Survivor where the tribe still chooses the winner.
Speaker 2: It would be a different result of this series of
Speaker 2: Big Brother if we chose the winner. I'll let you
Speaker 2: take that as you will.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a good point to make, because
Speaker 1: you know, in survival we reward the moves and the
Speaker 1: resume of a plan.
Speaker 3: You know, we're in Big Brother.
Speaker 1: That not what's happening because actually the person who has
Speaker 1: the moves and has the best resume isn't ever going
Speaker 1: to win because the public always will vote with their heart.
Speaker 1: And I think you know the ogs, people's stories, people's
Speaker 1: interaction with these characters for however long has been a
Speaker 1: long time, and it.
Speaker 3: Would be.
Speaker 2: Shown in the episodes. What's up the amount of backstories
Speaker 2: that are being shown in the episodes? Like some people.
Speaker 2: I was made aware from a producer recently of this
Speaker 2: term the subconscious winner, and it's who the edit is
Speaker 2: ushering the audience to feel should deserve to win and
Speaker 2: could leave me angry, but we know that's what we're
Speaker 2: signing up for. That's reality TV these days. You are
Speaker 2: a victim to the edit. And it doesn't stop me
Speaker 2: from wanting to play. It doesn't make me not congratulate
Speaker 2: the winner when they're crowned as the most loved by Australia,
Speaker 2: not the one that's played the hardest game, because I
Speaker 2: guess that's the beauty of Big Brother. It isn't survivor.
Speaker 2: It is about connecting with someone that there's an unknown
Speaker 2: plucked off the street. It was, but now we've got
Speaker 2: these ogs back.
Speaker 1: We could talk about this all day and honestly, hopefully
Speaker 1: at one point think alcohol will be involved and we
Speaker 1: will do that at some point, a couple of drinks
Speaker 1: and some theorizing of the theories and breaking it all apart.
Speaker 1: To celebrate Big Brother being celebrated twenty one years being
Speaker 1: seen on Australian screens, I've been asking people Gretel Colleen's
Speaker 1: top ten questions. You and I weren't you know, Sonya
Speaker 1: Krueger was our host, so we never got Gretel Klleen's
Speaker 1: top ten questions. So this is your first time doing it,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to run through yeah all questions.
Speaker 3: Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Yes? Ready?
Speaker 3: Okay? What did you miss the most while you're inside
Speaker 3: the Big Brother House?
Speaker 2: My boyfriend?
Speaker 3: Who was your favorite person in Big Brother?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I'm terrible at these questions because I'm so indecisive.
Speaker 2: I guess Reggie. I've got to say Reggie.
Speaker 1: Who was your least favorite person in Big Brother twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two Mel from Melbourne.
Speaker 2: She was only their short time. I didn't get to
Speaker 2: know her very well. Ooh, it might be a Stelle,
Speaker 2: Stelle or Tarass Can I have two?
Speaker 1: Well it thing sounds like you've picked three, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to narrow it down. We've got mel from Melbourne,
Speaker 1: Terras and Estelle. Who was your least favorite person in
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lord as well others JC I didn't
Speaker 2: really bond with.
Speaker 3: I didn't ask you to add more names to it.
Speaker 3: We're huddling them down.
Speaker 2: The most annoying, Well, what was it my least one?
Speaker 3: I like the yep Estelle who had the most annoying habit?
Speaker 2: Trevor, the snoring, hated.
Speaker 1: It, burping, the farting, the snoring. I think that's what
Speaker 1: Lara said.
Speaker 2: I started the worst. I like, I can't believe how
Speaker 2: much I farted in there. Then it must have been
Speaker 2: the bread. They all thought, They're like, you got the
Speaker 2: LSIS asshole team. I'm like, I swear it's the diet.
Speaker 2: I don't far like this in real life.
Speaker 3: Who was the funniest person in the house?
Speaker 2: Funniest I loved Alisha. I know you're not seeing many
Speaker 2: funny Alisha moments. But me and Alisha I have a
Speaker 2: really like like we laugh a lot together and we're
Speaker 2: good friends now and still laugh. But yeah, she's a
Speaker 2: lot more funnier than what they're giving her credit.
Speaker 3: For most people.
Speaker 1: I think eighty percent success, right, as has you my
Speaker 1: friend from people so far with you know the most
Speaker 1: of the serious house myself through the podcast. No, I know,
Speaker 1: but I just thought you should know for your own
Speaker 1: hero wall, for your own hero wall, you can realize
Speaker 1: that people have been saying you who was the laziest
Speaker 1: person in the house?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gabby, Gabby, Elisha?
Speaker 3: What was your greatest regret?
Speaker 2: Not putting dress up for eviction? What week was it
Speaker 2: we did Johnson and Drew? No, Alisa Johnson JC, the
Speaker 2: week I got rid of JC, should have got rid
Speaker 2: of trass?
Speaker 3: Not what you know?
Speaker 1: But who do you think will be out next following
Speaker 1: you out of the house? Who did you think was
Speaker 1: going to be the next person eliminated?
Speaker 2: Alisha or Brenton?
Speaker 1: And who will win if you had to put money
Speaker 1: on it, all the money in the world, or to
Speaker 1: save the world.
Speaker 2: Reggie Renchie of course.
Speaker 1: Well you've survived Grotaklan's Top ten questions everyone who joins
Speaker 1: the podcast, no matter what show or what program we're
Speaker 1: talking about, we asked them, what is something from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes for you? What is something from behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of Big Brother that where as an audience didn't
Speaker 1: see that we will not see that is interesting and
Speaker 1: maybe are behind the scenes tasty morsel from your time
Speaker 1: back on Big Brother?
Speaker 2: One time there was Okay, so there's all these doors
Speaker 2: that like have access from the house to the camera
Speaker 2: runs behind it. And one time I was awake early
Speaker 2: in the morning and the one in the bathroom was open,
Speaker 2: and it was like Narnia door of Oh, what's the
Speaker 2: behind this door? And I was in my pj's and
Speaker 2: I tip I tiptoed through it and it shut behind me,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, holy fuck, I'm locked out of the
Speaker 2: Big Brother House. And I didn't know what to do,
Speaker 2: And so I started walking around in this back camera
Speaker 2: area and there was a guy eating toasts on a
Speaker 2: plastic chair and I'm in my microphone going Big Brother
Speaker 2: helped me. I've been locked out of the Big Brother House.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I just walked and walked through a door.
Speaker 2: It was opened. Can someone come and get me. I
Speaker 2: don't know what to do. It wasn't my fault because like,
Speaker 2: oh gosh, I would have got in big trouble if
Speaker 2: they had have thought that I'm purpose little idea kind of.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was funny and I was sworn to
Speaker 2: never talk about it again.
Speaker 1: But you've managed to do what I assumed you would do,
Speaker 1: and out of all the housemates on the podcast so far,
Speaker 1: you have won with the most the best behind the
Speaker 1: scenes secret that maybe it's because I'm a former housemaid
Speaker 1: and that sort of is a strange description of leaving Narnia,
Speaker 1: but very good tim I I kin'd even tell you
Speaker 1: how appreciative I am of your time and for saying
Speaker 1: yes to come on the podcast and even to just
Speaker 1: chew the fat on some stuff that's been evolving for
Speaker 1: the two of us. But I will leave you with this,
Speaker 1: and that is you are a fantastic housemate. You still
Speaker 1: hold the mantle for most of us as the most
Speaker 1: amazing big brother house.
Speaker 3: Meat Australia has ever seen. So thank you for being
Speaker 3: here to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Ben, it's been really special and I mean
Speaker 2: this like it's a real treasure that we've been able
Speaker 2: to connect and build a friendship now, because like I
Speaker 2: spoke on the show, it is a big family and
Speaker 2: we don't always get along, but we're all linked with
Speaker 2: this amazing opportunity, this experience that we're a part of,
Speaker 2: and it's really lovely that you're still that you made
Speaker 2: the choice to be a part of it in this way.
Speaker 2: So thank you my own way.
Speaker 1: Now, all bets are off so we can enjoy that
Speaker 1: good luck. We