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Speaker 1: We know that both the COLP and the ALP of

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Speaker 1: joins me in the studio right now. Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie to your wonderful listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Lea. Obviously the candidate for Fanny Bay that the

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Speaker 1: COLP has announced is been Hosking. And look from all accounts,

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Speaker 1: both Brent Kotcher, who the ALP's announced and also been

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Speaker 1: Hosking in Nice Blokes. But that's not the concern here,

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Speaker 1: I guess the concern is that neither of them live

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Speaker 1: doesn't live there?

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Speaker 3: So the CLP have gone through an exhaustive process and

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Speaker 3: picked the best person for the job, and that, without

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Speaker 3: a doubt is Ben Hosking.

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Speaker 2: He actually grew up in lud Miller.

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Speaker 3: And started his early years of schooling at primary school,

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Speaker 3: so he's got those deep connections to that community. He's

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Speaker 3: a fantastic guy. Former TRG Police officer with the Northern

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Speaker 3: Territory Police. Of course, runs two small businesses here in

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Speaker 3: the Darwin area at the moment. You know, has a

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Speaker 3: lovely young family with two daughters, and he's going to

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Speaker 1: So where does he live?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I don't know exactly what his address, we.

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Speaker 1: Got that level of detail. But does he live in Palmiston?

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Speaker 3: Look, I know he's certainly lived in Parmestan in the past.

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Speaker 3: When he came back up from Tenant Creek with the police,

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Speaker 3: But ultimately, the difference between the labor candidate who's an

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Speaker 3: and Ben Hoskin, who is a local lad Miller bred person,

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Speaker 3: is that he cares deeply about that communion ultimately anti

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Speaker 3: social behavior and crime. With his police background, his small

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Speaker 1: Can anyone who lives in the electorate put their hand up?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Look, in the CLP, we don't do Captain's pick

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Speaker 3: so I'm not involved. Neither are the MLAs in that process.

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Speaker 3: That's a full process by the party. It's confidential to

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Speaker 3: So the party decided yesterday that it would be Ben Hosking.

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Speaker 3: He's got my full support and I know he's hit

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Speaker 1: Would you have preferred to have somebody though, who actually

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Speaker 1: that obviously he's grown up there. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: I haven't lived there for you know, thirty years, Katie.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't really matter, you know, And I do, like,

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Speaker 1: I genuinely believe that if you want to understand exactly

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Speaker 3: And you know what I do know is that Ben

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Speaker 3: But ultimately he's from that electorate. He runs businesses in

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Speaker 3: that antisocial behavior is absolutely plaguing the beautiful public spaces

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Speaker 2: Of the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: You know, you've got a fresh face, You've got a

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Speaker 1: Is this by election going to be a test of

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Speaker 3: Look, I think people will speculate around that. Of course,

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Speaker 2: Katie, But we're ready.

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Speaker 3: We'll certainly be taking any of the feedback. You know,

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Speaker 3: But ultimately, we've got a great candidate in Ben Hosking,

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I guess you know there are going to

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Speaker 2: No, not at all, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Ben's out there, he's been out on the doors for

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about one of those issues, which is certainly

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Speaker 3: The most immediate step we would do, which is actually

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Speaker 2: It's involved in almost every.

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Speaker 3: Bad thing that happens, and yet we haven't given police

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Speaker 2: We just need government support.

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Speaker 1: Should there be more police on the beat, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to be speaking to the

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Speaker 1: Anastasia Palichet says is a revolutionary response to an integrity

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Speaker 3: It's funny you say that, Katie. I actually had a

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Speaker 3: looking very closely at, you know, these old ways of

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Speaker 2: And we've certainly got nothing to hide.

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Speaker 3: We can't understand why, particularly this labor governmentor do everything

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Speaker 1: Right now. Over the weekend, it was a massive weekend

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Speaker 1: referendums going to take place, asking the question do you

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Speaker 1: support an alteration to the Constitution that establishes an Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: and Torres Strait island of voice. Lea Fanocchiaro do you so?

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Speaker 3: I'm very keen to see the detail, obviously, just enterprise.

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Speaker 3: The CLP senator has been very strong on this issue.

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Speaker 3: She is absolutely opposed to any sort of tokenistic gestures.

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Speaker 3: You know, we need to be making policy and making

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Speaker 3: decisions that advance our most vulnerable. By adding layers of

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Speaker 3: bureaucracy is not something that the CLP would support, but

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Speaker 3: you know, we don't oppose it just blanket. But I

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Speaker 3: think the question that needs to be put to the

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Speaker 3: community is the detail around it. And what the Albanezi

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Speaker 3: government are trying to do is have their cake and

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Speaker 3: eat it too, and essentially, you know, trick people into it,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's not fair when you talk about

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Speaker 3: a referendum and amending the constitution, you need to give

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Speaker 3: the whole package to people.

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Speaker 1: I guess the way that they have sold it though,

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Speaker 1: is that that is why they're asking that very simple

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Speaker 1: question first, and then that detail will follow do you

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Speaker 1: not agree with it happening that?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, because once you ask this simple question, the

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Speaker 3: detail then can be whatever the government wants, you know,

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Speaker 3: and so people aren't. So in principle, probably a lot

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Speaker 3: of people will say yes, you know, oh yes, sure,

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Speaker 3: like let's look at that. But what they don't know

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Speaker 3: is the how that's going to work. Is it going

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Speaker 3: to be I don't know, an entire new level of parliament.

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Speaker 3: I think what's really important is about indigenous representation in parliament.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what my biggest issue about the

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Speaker 3: Voice is is that it's not going to have adequate

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Speaker 3: territory representation, and then what's the point, you know, to

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Speaker 3: be honest, that's really what I care about. We have

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Speaker 3: some of the most disadvantaged people in our nation and

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Speaker 3: if this is going to be a body made up

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Speaker 3: of people from interstate, then how's that going to serve

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Speaker 3: our interests?

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Speaker 1: Well, opposition lead to Leofanocchiaro. We will leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Take care everyone,