Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Froomes. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 2: It's Flex and Frooms. Happy April, guys. It's Flexi's birthday month.
Speaker 2: Mine was last last month. It's really good to be
Speaker 2: here at Kaita Flexi. You're wearing little tiny cow shoes
Speaker 2: and I must say.
Speaker 1: I bring this up.
Speaker 3: Don't objectify me. I don't want to be perceived visually.
Speaker 3: We can talk about my thoughts and my experiences.
Speaker 1: You are so much more than your cow hoofs, and.
Speaker 3: Yet it's all you talk about. When's the last time
Speaker 3: you complimented my brain? It's too big.
Speaker 1: I can't comprehend it.
Speaker 2: Brookie, on the other hand, No, is desperate to be objectified.
Speaker 2: She is wiggling her little toe saying look them in
Speaker 2: for me. She has a pair of crocs on the slide,
Speaker 2: crocs with a fluffy inside and there sparkly. I really
Speaker 2: stand them, Brookie. Their their mint.
Speaker 1: She got little sockis with them.
Speaker 2: She's a comfort girl today with your cat jumpsuit on.
Speaker 2: See some people dressed to be dressed to be seen.
Speaker 2: I too dressed to be seen, just not by me.
Speaker 3: No, I think I don't like it most of the time,
Speaker 3: like when I change my hair and walked into the office,
Speaker 3: I'm like, can you please stop talking at me about
Speaker 3: what I look like? It's not a nice feeling, you
Speaker 3: know how. No, I won't bring this up, but we
Speaker 3: had a conversation a time where you know, as soon
Speaker 3: as people talk about you to your face, it validates
Speaker 3: people like are aware of what you look like. Literally, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I don't want to feel that way that when I
Speaker 3: change or when I do wear makeup or don't wear makeup,
Speaker 3: people are taking note.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I totally understand how you feel. Then okay,
Speaker 2: that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah for me.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I assume because it's fashion, it's like
Speaker 2: not and it's something that you like, it's like not
Speaker 2: it wouldn't make you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: But that's so true.
Speaker 3: I think it's also when I can't tell that people
Speaker 3: talking about me are peers, Like when someone with a
Speaker 3: similar fashion sense, similar style is talking about it, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: you get it. But then I think a lot of
Speaker 3: time people come from the angle of like, oh this
Speaker 3: is so quaky and I could never and you're so confident.
Speaker 3: I'm like, shut up, facts, let's stop talking.
Speaker 2: About it very interesting, FLEXI, Well, if I ever get
Speaker 2: my hands on my monkeys, they'll come back to you.
Speaker 2: I think I give everyone permission to discuss them, even
Speaker 2: if you think they're fuggly.
Speaker 1: No, No, let's get to the podcast you're listening to.
Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms on.
Speaker 2: Ghosting is real phenomena those occurring in the current state.
Speaker 2: Ghosts have been around since time immorial. However, the option
Speaker 2: of doing it in a dating context would be relatively new.
Speaker 2: I'd new millennium exactly. I mean, I'm sure it would
Speaker 2: have happened in the eighties and the nineties.
Speaker 3: But as parents, they've done it since the beginning of time.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: True, people go through their families constantly, but.
Speaker 2: It just hits different when it's in dating, doesn't that,
Speaker 2: FLEXI just heats real different. I personally have never been ghosted,
Speaker 2: but I know many people that have redacted.
Speaker 1: I said that, and yes, I've definitely been going.
Speaker 2: And so I'm always looking away to recoup the emotions
Speaker 2: and the ego that are destroyed in the processing Andy.
Speaker 1: Ghosted, the lost investment it really is, and the lost future.
Speaker 2: So I've gone on to wiki how and I've googled
Speaker 2: how to get over being ghosted. This one is for
Speaker 2: my girls and my boy bosses and everyone else in
Speaker 2: between who date. Someone goes on one date is expecting
Speaker 2: the world, has a great time, and then no follow
Speaker 2: up has been done, so you need kind of pain.
Speaker 2: But it's something that we need to how do you
Speaker 2: say combat? And this is how to get over being ghosted?
Speaker 2: Number one. Let's say the communication is slow. We did
Speaker 2: have a predicament in the flexing froom's office recently where
Speaker 2: one of us.
Speaker 3: It wasn't flex.
Speaker 2: Was awaiting a follow up text that never arrived and
Speaker 2: so she had to take it into her own haze.
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry gender disperson.
Speaker 2: They had to take it into their own hands behest
Speaker 2: their emotions. So if communication is slowing down, you want
Speaker 2: to try text this, Oh, I know Wikia is coming FIRS.
Speaker 3: You just mind your own business, like yourself saying how
Speaker 3: I'm the person until they want you back? Got it
Speaker 3: all right?
Speaker 2: And I quote hi, I want to check in. I'm
Speaker 2: getting the sense that you're no longer interested. If that's
Speaker 2: the case, will you let me know? And then if.
Speaker 3: They're definitely letting you know before then they just had
Speaker 3: enough time. They were wigging out. Now it's definitely it's
Speaker 3: a jung.
Speaker 1: Zil and just a weird late.
Speaker 2: And if I don't respond, here's what you text stuff
Speaker 2: to being ghosted before you stop communicating. I wish you'd
Speaker 2: have told me how you felt. I feel mutual respect
Speaker 2: when there's two way feedback. It hurts my feelings to
Speaker 2: be ghosted. Take good care. I think that's a bit.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: I'm in two months. I recently, as you know, listen
Speaker 2: to He's just not that into you. A two thousand
Speaker 2: and four piece of how do you say anthropological is significance?
Speaker 1: It spawned a movie. It came from Sex and the City.
Speaker 1: Totally gendered, totally two thousand.
Speaker 2: And four, but still heterosexual precisely, but still some interesting
Speaker 2: points when we're talking about heterosexual relationships. And they said
Speaker 2: that you shouldn't do the follow up pay message because
Speaker 2: the message is loud and clear. If they're not messaging you,
Speaker 2: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Personally.
Speaker 2: I see the vision for that, but I still want
Speaker 2: to get closure, even if the closure is someone telling
Speaker 2: me that they're not interested. I'm happy to take the
Speaker 2: hurt so I can move on.
Speaker 3: I get that.
Speaker 1: But then let's say all is done and we need
Speaker 1: to get over the ghosting. What do you do? Number one, face.
Speaker 2: Reality it looks like this person isn't giving you what
Speaker 2: you need. It can help immensely to accept the fact,
Speaker 2: rather than adding to the story by ruminating, rationalizing, or
Speaker 2: excusing behavior classic anxiety techniques. Number two Allow your feelings.
Speaker 2: This is the point that I don't really understand, because
Speaker 2: a big part of like sitting with your emotions is
Speaker 2: just that, just sitting and allowing them. I don't know
Speaker 2: how that personally works. I would love to work towards it,
Speaker 2: but apparently that's what you should do. Another idea is
Speaker 2: to do a spew letter.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of this?
Speaker 2: No, It's when you write down everything, all the things
Speaker 2: you hated about them, feelings, and then you either like
Speaker 2: scrunch it up or you call a friend and recite
Speaker 2: the poem.
Speaker 3: You've so done one of them. This one felt like
Speaker 3: an addition from your brain.
Speaker 2: Well, it is here in wiki how But I did
Speaker 2: do that after my first relationship. I bought a diary
Speaker 2: and I would write down all the everything and I
Speaker 2: still have it to this day. And it was actually
Speaker 2: in my parents' house for a long time, and like
Speaker 2: the cup had been organized so I know my mum
Speaker 2: definitely read it had a little There was definitely some Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll get into it.
Speaker 3: A DNA is on that and up yourself case you should.
Speaker 1: Have a bubble bath. Let's let's leave that one.
Speaker 2: Avoid dwelling. That's quite a lot like the rumination point,
Speaker 2: and this one says.
Speaker 3: Don't kind of counterintuitive because like feel your feelings, don't dwell.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, what are we doing? Then I'm gonna
Speaker 3: need to do both in order to do both.
Speaker 2: They're definitely very different, but I can see how they're
Speaker 2: confused when you're in a state of our danger.
Speaker 1: Don't contact them, I must agree with this one.
Speaker 2: Don't give them the excitement of knowing that they let
Speaker 2: a hotty down. Okay, talk with someone. If you strugg
Speaker 2: into cope, find a new bay. Just joking, reach out
Speaker 2: to a mental health professional. I think people don't take
Speaker 2: this stuff seriously. Like you could be going on four
Speaker 2: dates with somebody they vanish, and then you feel really
Speaker 2: upset and you think, ohd but we weren't even in
Speaker 2: a relationship. Allow yourself to be disappointed. You are mourning
Speaker 2: what could have been, which is often way cooler than
Speaker 2: a proper relationship. Let's be honest, if they've never showed
Speaker 2: in front of you, like were.
Speaker 3: They even really the one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you don't know what they actually like
Speaker 2: until like they've done a poo in the toilet and
Speaker 2: then you've walked past and gotten a waft to think
Speaker 2: about it that way, that's real intimacy. And finally, before
Speaker 2: we go, don't isolate yourself. Don't let it deter you
Speaker 2: from dating again. It's better to have loved and lost
Speaker 2: than to have never loved it all.
Speaker 1: And that's on that.
Speaker 3: Froo meno through me boo mummy like smile you're listening
Speaker 3: to flex and rooms on cater coming through with a
Speaker 3: controversial concept that I have toyed with. No, I haven't,
Speaker 3: but I've talked about it quite a bit in my time.
Speaker 3: But no, because I think everything can be discussed and
Speaker 3: judged around and improved. And one of those things, or
Speaker 3: one of the things that I feel like, as a
Speaker 3: society we haven't really nailed as relationships, all of them,
Speaker 3: any of them, familial, friendship, professional, romantic. We just don't
Speaker 3: do relationships well. And I was thinking about, what are
Speaker 3: some of the core issues or the core points of
Speaker 3: tension in an early relationship, and it's the fact that
Speaker 3: I do it myself. When I'm making new friends, I
Speaker 3: get really insecure about how friendly or how familiar to
Speaker 3: be because I don't know how much of a friend
Speaker 3: we're going to be, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 3: give the impression that I'm going to be a lifelong
Speaker 3: friend if I'm not feeling it, And I put a
Speaker 3: lot of pressure on myself to not you know, don't
Speaker 3: be too comfortable, like, don't overcommit because you might not
Speaker 3: even like them. You get to know them, and it's
Speaker 3: like base, we haven't even gotten there yet with not
Speaker 3: even you don't even know them. Yeah, but just in case,
Speaker 3: you know what, if they think really getting along, I'm
Speaker 3: still assessing. And then similarly, in relationships, I've done two
Speaker 3: contrasting things. One thing where I'll say, well, because of
Speaker 3: these certain traits, I think it's not gonna work out
Speaker 3: for long, or because of these certain traits this person
Speaker 3: is the one. All of it is rooted in fantasy.
Speaker 3: But I thought the antidote for all of this is
Speaker 3: a concept I like to call a relationship expiry date.
Speaker 3: If we when deciding to start relationships with people, friendships
Speaker 3: professional careers. We do do that relationships. If we just
Speaker 3: agreed for short periods of time to be in the relationship.
Speaker 3: For me and I on a three month friendship contract
Speaker 3: for the next three months, let's do friendship and at
Speaker 3: the end of the three month period, let's just assume
Speaker 3: we're not friends. What did I say, at the end
Speaker 3: of the three month period, Let's just assume that we're
Speaker 3: not friends. We try unless we renew.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And.
Speaker 3: When we renew, we should discuss a few terms of
Speaker 3: the friendships. So I might say, Oh, I noticed we
Speaker 3: don't really do things together, Like we talk a lot,
Speaker 3: but we haven't really gone out together as friends. Can
Speaker 3: we integrate that for the next you know term? I
Speaker 3: love this, right?
Speaker 1: Would you consider actually doing this?
Speaker 3: I think it sounds fun.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess we are technically you and I on
Speaker 2: a contract, but this is so separate to the other part.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: Well, we're in a professional contract, yes, but it overlaps.
Speaker 3: It only overlaps our friendship. I think by technicality, we
Speaker 3: wouldn't talk this much if we didn't work together. But
Speaker 3: the friendship we're building is very separate to work.
Speaker 1: That's nice for you to say, I disagree. However, I
Speaker 1: really like this idea.
Speaker 2: I think it's hard to like I'm someone who I
Speaker 2: would say, I guess I'm like, Oh, I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit insecure in friendships. Like I've definitely gotten a lot
Speaker 2: better as I age, but when I was younger, I
Speaker 2: kind of had to be like am I still your
Speaker 2: best friend? Am I still your best friend? And like
Speaker 2: when I felt like I'm not a really strong part
Speaker 2: of a group, like it sends me really like eats
Speaker 2: me up. So I like this idea, but it definitely
Speaker 2: would I think I'd be worried. It's like when me
Speaker 2: and a friend of fighting or not really talking much.
Speaker 2: I get obsessed with it.
Speaker 3: Oh really, I get obsessed.
Speaker 1: With it, and I worry.
Speaker 2: I think they're thinking about all these terrible things that
Speaker 2: I've done, Like am I bad person? Like did I
Speaker 2: really hurt their feelings? It's often about like have I
Speaker 2: like really hurt their feelings, like in a way that
Speaker 2: I didn't intend to, like not.
Speaker 1: Realizing that I'm doing things.
Speaker 2: So like, I think the contract is a really nice
Speaker 2: thing in theory, but you probably have to be coming
Speaker 2: to it from like a similar level of power. Like
Speaker 2: I think if there's like an insecure power dynamic, which
Speaker 2: is which often happens in certain friendships, like someone wears
Speaker 2: the pants in a relationship.
Speaker 1: I really believe in that.
Speaker 2: Then it makes this kind of thing a little bit
Speaker 2: harder to do in person. But I do like the
Speaker 2: idea of doing like four four times a year at checking.
Speaker 2: We haven't done this in a little while, because I
Speaker 2: think you do need to sit down and actually consider it.
Speaker 3: If you have any thoughts on whether this would work
Speaker 3: or you've done it a relationship with expiry date, please
Speaker 3: dms on at flex and firms on Instagram. I'm really
Speaker 3: intrigued because I know it feels like one of those
Speaker 3: super progressive Internet theories that have no basis in real life.
Speaker 3: But I think we can pull out elements to be
Speaker 3: more intentional friends, partners, children, cult like coworkers or whatever.
Speaker 2: This reminds you of my Rules for Life rule, which
Speaker 2: was about neutralizing trauma dumps with funny things all ways
Speaker 2: you connect. This is so important, and I think the
Speaker 2: idea of like penciling in an analogue time to go
Speaker 2: through and say, oh, I really like it when we
Speaker 2: do this.
Speaker 1: Can we do this?
Speaker 2: Because you totally see an increase in your relationship health
Speaker 2: when you do stuff like this. It's like when you
Speaker 2: live with a housemate and you say I'm going to
Speaker 2: cook dinner this time, try and do it once a
Speaker 2: week or like with family. My family don't have that
Speaker 2: many traditions. We just have a tradition where we'd every
Speaker 2: Christmas and on the stairs of my house, like outside
Speaker 2: on the porch and all to a family photo. It's cute.
Speaker 1: Nowadays, I do a gingerbread house every Christmas. That's my.
Speaker 2: That's my contribution. And I really like the idea of
Speaker 2: doing rituals. So I think like a really big part
Speaker 2: of maintaining relationships is doing your rituals. But also like
Speaker 2: I don't think you should push yourself to try new
Speaker 2: things because you think it'll make a better.
Speaker 3: Like no, no, I think the relationship expiry day. It's not.
Speaker 3: And this is someone who can be avoidance. It's very
Speaker 3: easy for me to be like, what about we just
Speaker 3: end things? But no, it's more so a permission to
Speaker 3: assess the relationship because it works on both spectrums. If
Speaker 3: you feel like you won't even engage in a relationship
Speaker 3: because of the fear that it's going to go on
Speaker 3: longer than you're comfortable with it, or you don't feel
Speaker 3: like you know how to behave to really express what
Speaker 3: you want in a dynamic, Well, then it's tricky. But
Speaker 3: then on the flip side, it gives you permission to
Speaker 3: let someone know provoked how you're feeling, because oftentimes when
Speaker 3: you tell some how you're feeling and they're not expecting it,
Speaker 3: it feels like a critique, it feels like an attack.
Speaker 3: It doesn't come across well. So if I would have
Speaker 3: come to you on a random day and say it
Speaker 3: for me, I think it's I don't know. I just
Speaker 3: think it's odd that we don't really spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time in person anymore. And we did lights lights
Speaker 3: off likra that one time. We didn't do anything after
Speaker 3: You'd be like, damn.
Speaker 1: Like we did do lots to go like araund did
Speaker 1: we We didn't? Oh my god? And there was that
Speaker 1: really scary man, Yeah, what the hell?
Speaker 3: But imagine if I was like, yeah, you know, we
Speaker 3: did that one time. We didn't do anything after? You like,
Speaker 3: is anything else you want to bring up?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Am I a mad friend?
Speaker 1: You get your back up?
Speaker 3: You get your back up, of course, So and that's
Speaker 3: that's a chill thing. Imagine if I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, I just feel like you were spending a
Speaker 3: little bit too much time together and I just need
Speaker 3: to hit that would hit different. So I think it
Speaker 3: gives you permission to say this is where I'm at.
Speaker 3: For me, right, I'm one of those friends where you know,
Speaker 3: if we didn't go to dinner for six months, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't think anything of it. I'd be like, oh, you
Speaker 3: just live in life, right, But you're saying you're the
Speaker 3: complete opposite. So when we do a check in, you'd
Speaker 3: be like, how are you like, babes, it's been hectic,
Speaker 3: Like I've had a really rough time. I'm really enjoying
Speaker 3: just not talking to anyone, not seeing anyone. You'd be like,
Speaker 3: oh fu it not even personal, literally, because it's just
Speaker 3: going through it.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm very very good at bringing things up,
Speaker 2: like very good. If you say you're a little bit off,
Speaker 2: I will easily bring it up, just because I know
Speaker 2: what it's like to not yeah, And I prefer to
Speaker 2: bring things to the surface because they're always pretty much
Speaker 2: worse than I imagined.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a quality much worse new imagine
Speaker 3: or not worse than you imagine.
Speaker 1: They're never as bad as I imagined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I've like cultivated a lot of friendships
Speaker 2: where we are very honest with each other and if
Speaker 2: we're mad at each other, like we'd be like I
Speaker 2: need time, and we just know that we'll come back
Speaker 2: together or sometimes we won't come back together and be
Speaker 2: as close and like because we've been so honest with
Speaker 2: each other, there's like every stone has been unturned.
Speaker 3: You need to do that. I love and I hate
Speaker 3: this phrase because I always get it nipping it in.
Speaker 1: The bud, nit it in the bud bud.
Speaker 3: Anyway, but I really like addressing things straight away, even
Speaker 3: when it's a little bit. And I remember both took.
Speaker 3: I was having this conversation with a friend and she
Speaker 3: kept nagging me, and I was like, this is a
Speaker 3: strange habit you've picked up, babe. I don't like it.
Speaker 3: I don't like when you talk about yourself that way,
Speaker 3: but me leave me out of it. I'm not being
Speaker 3: the butt of your joke because you're feeling some kind
Speaker 3: of way. And of course, and because it was happening
Speaker 3: in company, so I was like, even worse, let's not
Speaker 3: stet a standard that this is how you talk to
Speaker 3: me generally. But it caught her off guard because she
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, well why would you say. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: why would you do that? You know? And I had
Speaker 3: to kind of neutralize it and say, like, it's nothing serious.
Speaker 3: But I'm not your punching bag, and I'm not going
Speaker 3: to be the strong friend that's going to deal with
Speaker 3: your tanty because you won't say how you feel and
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna Also, were you with six friends share
Speaker 3: the burden?
Speaker 1: Babe?
Speaker 3: You're feeling extra comfory with me today. I don't need
Speaker 3: the comfort if it's gonna feel like this, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's gonna it's annoying now, but you're gonna thank me
Speaker 3: in a week's time when we're not beefing.
Speaker 1: Well, you and I good at that.
Speaker 2: I think yeah the other week when I am in
Speaker 2: a batterly common on your outfits all the time, just
Speaker 2: because I'm like, my brain's real smooth at times, I
Speaker 2: don't know what else to say. Yeah, And you're good
Speaker 2: at like it's you. I think you're good at, like
Speaker 2: explaining why you don't like certain things. It's often like
Speaker 2: I haven't thought about it in that way, and oh yeah, fuck,
Speaker 2: that's so fair enough. And I find I have to
Speaker 2: be really kind to myself. That sounds silly, but.
Speaker 3: Like, no, it's good because you don't take it. I
Speaker 3: get what you're saying. The idea, it's like, you're not
Speaker 3: going to beat yourself up about it because it's nothing
Speaker 3: to be beefing about. But people find that hard to
Speaker 3: deal with, you know, the idea if it's a problem,
Speaker 3: I would tell you. Some people wouldn't tell you, so
Speaker 3: I get why you're freaking out. But if it's a problem,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: And it's good to learn how to like not feel guilty,
Speaker 2: just like say, yes, I've learned that. Now I'm not
Speaker 2: going to be I'm gonna a way that I think
Speaker 2: negates it is like trying to actually think, like how
Speaker 2: do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: To want to tell me how? Why does she that way?
Speaker 1: Oh that makes sense? Why? Okay? Cool, that's easy for
Speaker 1: me to not do.
Speaker 3: So maybe we're not advocating for relationship expiry dates, but
Speaker 3: perhaps a check in that's not like malicious or super
Speaker 3: hectic or even formal. I think it's just like a
Speaker 3: date in the calendar. How you going? Because people go
Speaker 3: through stuff. Do you know one thing I've been noticing
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three as I'm doing my little cursory
Speaker 3: Instagram story scrolls, people are suffering. And I think we
Speaker 3: talked about a couple of weeks ago where I'm like,
Speaker 3: if someone posts an Instagram story and alludes to suffering
Speaker 3: or they're crying and they're like, it's been the hardest day.
Speaker 3: As the observer, I don't feel like I have permission
Speaker 3: to check in because I don't really know you like that.
Speaker 3: So I'm just like, my own friends could be suffering
Speaker 3: and I don't know because I'm not checking in or
Speaker 3: because they're not posting on the internet.
Speaker 1: Oh, you'll know if we're together.
Speaker 3: Oh, I will always know if going through it. And
Speaker 3: that's a good thing. But generally we need more permission
Speaker 3: to lean on our people, and in order to lean
Speaker 3: on out people effectively, you have to know how to
Speaker 3: know what you're feeling and express how you're feeling. And
Speaker 3: that's the bigger burden.
Speaker 2: And also love unconditionally as unconditionally as you can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, pick and choose. Are you gonna do that?
Speaker 2: Actually?
Speaker 1: Not with us?
Speaker 2: Not with us?
Speaker 3: No, but no, it's not even loving unconditionally. But it's
Speaker 3: a good habit in accepting people how they are. I
Speaker 3: always find people eat. I always find I get my
Speaker 3: feelings more hurt when I won't accept people for how
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Speaker 1: FLEXI have you seen the deep fakes that have been
Speaker 1: coming around lately.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw a new strain the other day, like
Speaker 3: a voice based deep fake, which I was confused by.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I haven't even heard that.
Speaker 3: Somebody was speaking. He said, you'll notice I sound just
Speaker 3: like Kanye, but I'm not Kanye. We're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you do. But we couldn't tell how good his voice,
Speaker 3: how good the deep fake was until he put in
Speaker 3: his real voice and we were like, whoop.
Speaker 1: Right, so you could talk into a machine and it
Speaker 1: would make you.
Speaker 3: Like selfie video. He was speaking and we were like,
Speaker 3: that sounds just like Kanye. He's like, it's a new
Speaker 3: deep fake audio AI thing. It was sick.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. So we've had like we've been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about Chat AI on the no sorry chat GPT.
Speaker 1: For some reason, we.
Speaker 3: Can never say chat bbchi.
Speaker 2: Chat Chiby and I've seen an explosion lately of these
Speaker 2: super super realistic deep fakes, and the ones that had
Speaker 2: been circulating have been a lot of politicians, Like there
Speaker 2: was one of Trump the other day getting.
Speaker 1: What would you say, He's like getting accosted by a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of policemen. He's going down.
Speaker 3: WHOA, that looks real. It looks so really getting spear
Speaker 3: tackled by six policemen.
Speaker 2: It looks a little bit like a painting. But I
Speaker 2: think if you're over the age of X y Z
Speaker 2: or you have.
Speaker 3: I mean, if im just sorry, like, oh that must
Speaker 3: be happening, why would you think it's fake?
Speaker 2: Because it looked a little bit like a painting, like
Speaker 2: if you didn't have your glasses on, if you look
Speaker 2: at it closely, get close on Twitter you can go
Speaker 2: at Elliot Higgins and see yourself.
Speaker 1: Have a look.
Speaker 2: FLEXI like there's a bit of painterly esque to it.
Speaker 2: One of them circulated in Australia. I know this because
Speaker 2: my dad. I was at home and my dad said
Speaker 2: to me, hey, have you seen Richard Wilkins get in trouble?
Speaker 2: Richard Wilkins a broadcaster, because he knows that I've worked
Speaker 2: with his son before, Christian, and I said no, And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I saw him getting in trouble
Speaker 2: with the police. I couldn't be bothered at the time,
Speaker 2: so I didn't engage.
Speaker 1: Then later on I saw that there was a deep
Speaker 1: fake of Richard Wilken's like getting arrested in a park.
Speaker 1: Parents are all over it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they would be.
Speaker 2: And apparently this is leading to like cynicism about the news,
Speaker 2: so people are not like believing the news.
Speaker 1: And I see this happen.
Speaker 3: Oh, this feels a like really insidious way to get
Speaker 3: people off news that it's actually important. You desensitize them
Speaker 3: by introducing too many hoaxes and then when actually something
Speaker 3: worthy of seeing happens and be like, no, I don't
Speaker 3: believe it. Too many fakes around. Damn.
Speaker 2: I don't like the route wear going down. So all
Speaker 2: I'll say is I think, like a lot of these
Speaker 2: counts that share them do try and say this is AI,
Speaker 2: but people don't read you reshare it, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: lose that information. So rip Hopefully we don't find any
Speaker 2: of ourselves.
Speaker 1: We'll just pray.
Speaker 2: But I mean it would be cool you get some
Speaker 2: art done by somebody of you on a platter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, people often draw out of me, which I
Speaker 3: love because I think that we don't take enough care
Speaker 3: to immortalize ourselves. You know. It's like all this digital stuff,
Speaker 3: it's gonna go one day and it's gonna be nothing
Speaker 3: to show for us. I want to see how it evolves,
Speaker 3: and I think this is the issue with the Internet
Speaker 3: just existing in such a lawless way. I like that
Speaker 3: people are having a bit of fun with it, but
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, when does it not get fun? When
Speaker 3: do we the regular person start to worry and say,
Speaker 3: oh wait a second, Like what if someone starts doctoring
Speaker 3: messages that came from us, or you know, are doctoring
Speaker 3: images of us in a precarious thing or like whatever,
Speaker 3: Just like, is it really worth it? But let's enjoy
Speaker 3: it being funny while it's funny, and then when it
Speaker 3: gets serious, we can be serious about it. How about that?
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