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Speaker 1: And there's no shortage of things to discuss in the

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Speaker 1: studio this morning is the Attorney General of the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: Marie Claire booth Be.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: And we've got the opposition leader Selena Yubo, good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katy, good.

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Speaker 4: To have you in the studio.

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Speaker 1: And the head of news at the NT News, Gary Shipway,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Gary, good morning, lovely to have you all

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Speaker 1: in the studio. Now I just want to head to

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Speaker 1: some breaking news. The NT Health have just issued a

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Speaker 1: statement the Chief Health Officer saying that the NT's Chief

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Speaker 1: Health Officer, Doctor Paul Burgess, is collaborating with the NTI

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Speaker 1: Environment Protection Authority to assess inpex's historical under reporting of

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Speaker 1: its emissions data at the ichthys LNG facility. IMPEX has

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Speaker 1: notified the NTEPA of a calculation era that had resulted

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Speaker 1: in an underestimate of annual emissions of benzene and other

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Speaker 1: volatile organic compounds. Now, current INPEX monitoring data suggests that

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Speaker 1: emissions of benzene are approximately monitored five times lower than

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Speaker 1: investigation thresholds. The Chief Health Officer has confirmed there is

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Speaker 1: no evidence of increased health risks associated with operations at

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Speaker 1: the IMPEX facility. Now, under the Public and Environmental Health

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Speaker 1: Act of twenty eleven, the Chief Health Officer has a

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Speaker 1: statutory role to assess potential risk to public health in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory and as such, the Chief Health Officer

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Speaker 1: has met with IMPEX and will continue to work closely

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Speaker 1: with a report expected by the end of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: and an independent investigator has been tasked to verify all

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Speaker 1: of inpex's data. I mean, we're all hearing this for

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Speaker 2: What do you make of h yeah, Kadi, I mean

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Speaker 2: this has been I've talked about for a couple of

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Speaker 2: that the ANTEPA and the Chief Health Officer and of

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Speaker 2: course the FEDS are also doing an investigation into this matter,

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's the right thing to do. We

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Speaker 2: investigation and of course share with territorians what those results are,

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Speaker 2: because we want to make sure that there aren't those

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Speaker 2: risks that of course are concerning to territorians.

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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, you know what to be an impact and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes back to the conversation we had just

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Speaker 3: last week Katie around people want to see development in

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory, but they want to see it done

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Speaker 3: in the processes that provide confidence that things are being

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Speaker 3: but also to be able to unfortunately, if there are mistakes,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think what we're seeing here is proper process

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Speaker 5: being followed. I think that there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and what I know as well, if there

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Speaker 5: And I don't think impexes showing away from that expectation.

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Speaker 1: And look, it's always a tough juggle I guess in

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Speaker 4: I mean, this week the.

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Speaker 1: Latest Concept State of the States report was released and

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Speaker 1: according to the October twenty twenty five Concept Report, the

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Speaker 1: territory leapt from eighth to fourth place in overall economic performance.

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Speaker 1: It's best ranking in nearly a decade. Now, I said

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Speaker 1: Over the last ten years, It's something that I've certainly

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Speaker 5: I think that the Concept report is a credible report,

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Speaker 2: It's right and I think you know you can already

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Speaker 2: And now those results are coming through very strong with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, good numbers, no doubt about that. But I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it'd be interesting to see. Leah did

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Speaker 3: You know, there's some other factors there as well. It

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Speaker 3: to be able to dissect that, not just to go

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the key examples of all of it

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Speaker 2: and that's exactly the type of policy that needed to happen.

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred of those thousand figures, close to eight hundred

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Speaker 3: why did the COLP remove that fill was a twelve

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Speaker 2: So the whole purpose, Katie, is to try and stimulate construction,

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Speaker 2: and to do that we have home builds instead of.

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Speaker 3: Existing getting people into their first home. So people were

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Speaker 2: They still can't get into their first home. With the

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Speaker 2: So there's obviously going to be more homes built. It's

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Speaker 5: It was about a hundred and something mill and the

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Speaker 2: Of the Let's speak earlier about this KD. This is

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Speaker 4: There's no way I'm getting out of it, is there?

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Speaker 1: You know, we have got businesses who do really feel

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Speaker 4: Right and it will.

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Speaker 2: It will, but it's the cost of that to get

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that one hundred million that was plucked

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Speaker 2: So you were in cabinet at that time though, when

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Speaker 3: In that government. You're now a minister to Murray Claire,

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Speaker 2: It would have been a way Territorians.

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Speaker 2: About what you said in cabinet. It's about what you

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Speaker 2: To get up, Murray Claire, you can communicate to Territorians

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Speaker 4: And when things are.

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Speaker 1: Blowing out, they do deserve Territorians deserve to know how

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Speaker 2: Exactly why it was referred to the Public Accounts Committee

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Speaker 3: Process, which your government will continue to pursue. So but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we've got to clean up the mess that

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Speaker 1: Selena, I mean, can we take any kind of comfort,

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Speaker 2: But well, I think Katie, we need to ensure that

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Speaker 5: And the most common query we get is what are

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Speaker 5: You know, there's obviously a reason there would be Treasury

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Speaker 5: just all the ramifications. Treasury does not do briefing documents,

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Speaker 1: Taken them that we're on. We are going to have

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Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 4: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: News at the NT News, Gary ship Way.

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Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Coroner has made seven recommendations following an

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Armitage, found that Ebonie Thompson died from brain damage

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Speaker 1: That is what the coroner's reporters said. The recommendations include

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Speaker 1: a supervision audit of all childcare centers in the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Gary. I know that the NT News has run

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Speaker 1: this story, I think on the front page a couple

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Speaker 1: of times. I mean, it's it is honestly every parent's

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Speaker 1: worse night. It you know, it's it's unspeakable.

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Speaker 5: Well, it just goes to show. I mean, in this

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Speaker 5: particular case, obviously there were some blind spots and the

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Speaker 5: child disappeared and tragically, within you know, a matter of minutes,

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Speaker 5: she lost her life. So that the audits that are

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Speaker 5: there need to be done. I mean, obviously they look

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Speaker 5: at the fencing issue that will have a significant impact

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Speaker 5: on a lot of places if they were to change that,

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Speaker 5: I mean, or it could be as simple as okay,

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Speaker 5: if you are in one of these have one of

451
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Speaker 5: these fances and going to have one of in a

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Speaker 5: pool or something, you're gonna happen when someone's not going

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Speaker 5: to be using you might be able to make modifications.

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Speaker 5: But clearly there needs to be a tighter, tighter rain

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Speaker 5: on what's happening in I think child care facilities. We've

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Speaker 5: got another story today about several child care facilities who

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Speaker 5: have been given a black mark for not being up

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Speaker 5: to proper standard. So that's another story that dars if

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Speaker 5: it's still has written today. So there is there is

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Speaker 5: problems out there and they need to be fixed because

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Speaker 5: this is tragic, tragic, you know, and and we've just

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Speaker 5: seen how quickly that tragic incident happened. So yeah, let's

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Speaker 5: hope there's some ramifications out of this and we do

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Speaker 5: get improvements, some.

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Speaker 3: Changes devastating and like you said, Katie, couldn't imagine what

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Speaker 3: the family and the fellow families and the childcare workers

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Speaker 3: and everyone in that community would be facing with the

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Speaker 3: release of the report. I think it's important, like Gary said,

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Speaker 3: that all of the recommendations are looked at, acted upon,

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Speaker 3: and I think quicker the better, because you know, again,

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Speaker 3: when something tragic like this happens in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to see anything like that ever repeat.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's important. I know that there's been

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Speaker 3: talk around some of the federal laws and tightening up

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Speaker 3: some of that, but there's also leavers that can be

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Speaker 3: pulled here in the Northern Territory. And I honestly don't

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Speaker 3: care whether it's the federal government, Katie, or the Northern

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Speaker 3: Territory government. If it's regulation, if it's law, needs to

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Speaker 3: be done, yep. This is not something that my team

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Speaker 3: will stand in the way. I will absolutely support because

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Speaker 3: it is so important for our community to have our

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Speaker 3: kids protected and supported, and for our childcare workers to

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Speaker 3: know that they're in those safe spaces and working with

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Speaker 3: those little people.

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Speaker 2: Spot on. That's good to hear too, Selena, because I

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Speaker 2: think you know, we're all parents in this room and

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Speaker 2: we've had little ones. I'm sure they've been to childcare centers.

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Speaker 2: Mine certainly did, and you just cannot imagine what that

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Speaker 2: family is going through still, I don't know if you'd

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Speaker 2: ever really get over it. So I think you know

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Speaker 2: a couple of things that obviously the Minister for Education

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Speaker 2: Jo Hersey did straight away jump on this and has

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Speaker 2: written to the federal minister plus all the other ministers,

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Speaker 2: and they will be looking at it from a federal

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Speaker 2: point of view. But I think we can all agree

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Speaker 2: that the stuff that has been happening, especially in this case,

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Speaker 2: is unacceptable on every level and there are things that

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Speaker 2: we can do in the Northern Territory. But the other

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Speaker 2: part of this is the Minister has put both the

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Speaker 2: Department and the QEC and T on notice. She is

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Speaker 2: absolutely frustrated the fact that this has come to this,

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Speaker 2: and so they all have been told they have to

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Speaker 2: step up. And then in the meantime, one of the

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Speaker 2: most important things is that the Minister Hersey is meeting

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Speaker 2: with Ebene's family and so that will mean that she

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Speaker 2: can discuss with them, She can hear directly from them

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Speaker 2: as to the types of things they would like to

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Speaker 2: see going forward, and that you know that will actually

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Speaker 2: they will inform the reform that we will do. And

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Speaker 2: that meeting is not very far away.

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Speaker 4: Can okay?

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Speaker 1: Well, I will certainly keep in contact with her office

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Speaker 1: to try and get some further update on that.

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Speaker 4: Now, I do want to just talk.

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Speaker 1: About another story that really got everyone going this week,

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Speaker 1: and that is Sint Phinni's. We know that Saint Phinnie's

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Speaker 1: moved from Stuart Park to Coconut Grove. That happened before

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Speaker 1: the last Northern Territory election and there was quite some

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Speaker 1: concern around that and whether it would mean that there

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Speaker 1: was anti social behavior in the area or any potential

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Speaker 1: on flow. Now we know that Vinnie's do a phenomenal job,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. But when austom house, when

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Speaker 1: those services were temporarily relocated to Coconut Grove last year,

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Speaker 1: I mean everybody had sort of wondered how long are

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Speaker 1: they going to stay? Well, now there has been the

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Speaker 1: application put in to have them there until September twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty nine. Now. We spoke to the Member for Fanny Bay,

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Speaker 1: Laurie Zeo. She said she's against the extension. They're in

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Speaker 1: Coconut Grove, and certainly from the listeners that we spoke to,

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Speaker 1: some of whom have got businesses in that area, they're

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Speaker 1: really quite worried about.

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Speaker 4: That extension too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how quickly the government's able to actually

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Speaker 1: get another location sorted. I know it's something that there

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Speaker 1: was work happening under the former government as well, but

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Speaker 1: this needs to happen.

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Speaker 4: It needed to happen last week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and I think Lori Zeo, you know,

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Speaker 2: being very vocal about this, which is really good to see.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the local member standing up for a community,

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Speaker 2: which I think is fantastic. And I believe she said

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Speaker 2: and I've heard from Minister Burgoyne, who's the minister in

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Speaker 2: this space, that they've been working together on this. She's

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Speaker 2: been very vocal and meeting with him. I believe that

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Speaker 2: they both actually went out and met with the community

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Speaker 2: a number of months ago just to hear at first

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Speaker 2: hand exactly how everyone's feeling. And so of course I

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Speaker 2: know the minister is going through that work. That application

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Speaker 2: has been received, you knows, there's many people that don't

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Speaker 2: want it there. I think was it the member for

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Speaker 2: Nightcliff that kat mcmurrah was saying she would like it

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Speaker 2: to stay there?

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Speaker 4: I think, oh, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't watch the novels on your show or

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Speaker 2: a different show, Katie, but obviously there's mixed feelings about it.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you know, we

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Speaker 2: have a local member fighting for a community and a

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Speaker 2: minister that's willing to listen, and of course you know

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Speaker 2: that work is happening now to make sure that we

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Speaker 2: can come up with a solution that works for everyone.

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Speaker 3: I think, well, it's interesting to hear such passion around

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Speaker 3: this because, as you've said, Katie, Vinnie's do do a

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Speaker 3: fantastic job in the service that they deliver. That site

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Speaker 3: was temporary site. Obviously it's taking longer to get a

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Speaker 3: more permanent site, which is an understanding her Minister burgoying

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Speaker 3: on the radio yesterday on another show it actually sounded

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Speaker 3: a bit like a terrible car salesman and haven't we

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Speaker 3: got a deal for you?

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Speaker 4: And it was just.

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Speaker 3: Very odd in terms yeah, I don't worry, you didn't

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Speaker 3: miss much, but in terms of talking about such an

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Speaker 3: important service for some of our most vulnerable territories, and

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Speaker 3: you know, just picking up on the language from Marie Claire,

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Speaker 3: you know, these people are part of our community. So

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Speaker 3: when Lori Zeo is out there fighting for her community,

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Speaker 3: is she also fighting for everyone in the community or

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Speaker 3: just a selected amount of people in the community. So

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Speaker 3: we have to recognize that vulnerable people, disadvantage people, people

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Speaker 3: living in poverty are part of our community here in

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory, and unfortunately that's the reality. So those

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Speaker 3: services do need to be able to support.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is, and the point that she was

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Speaker 1: making is that nearby, unfortunately, there'd been an impact on businesses.

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Speaker 1: You know, there'd been car windows we got told by

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Speaker 1: one of our listeners, smashed all up the street.

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Speaker 4: You know, there had been a number of I mean.

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Speaker 1: That's just one example that I can think of off

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Speaker 1: the top of my head, but there'd been different instances

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Speaker 1: where locals really didn't feel as though maybe all of

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Speaker 1: the coordinated services were working together as they should be

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Speaker 1: to try to minimize any of that impact. And totally

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Speaker 1: get it, we need to make sure that there are

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Speaker 1: services for vulnerable people. But you know, do we put

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Speaker 1: those services in a high density residential area where we

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Speaker 1: have already got a huge amount of social housing just

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Speaker 1: up the road and you've got you know other Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you've got you know, other concerns. I suppose that

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Speaker 1: locals are raising with that public housing and the high

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Speaker 1: level of public housing nearby, so that then you're sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're lumping everything onto one community, and I

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Speaker 1: just don't know that that's fair.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that that's the right way to do.

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Speaker 3: It, and Cana I did here because I've been following

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Speaker 3: this closely for quite a few years, formally when we're

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Speaker 3: in government and obviously now in opposition and hearing the

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Speaker 3: different perspectives what's happening around that area. In particular, some

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Speaker 3: people are very happy and comfortable saying that there's no impact,

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Speaker 3: other people saying no, there is a negative impact. So

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Speaker 3: I think there needs to be that balance in being

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Speaker 3: able to support everyone in the community. But understanding again,

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Speaker 3: the application will go through the Development Consent Authority, it

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Speaker 3: is for another temporary tenure. I believe it's three years

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Speaker 3: this time because they are looking for that permanent site.

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Speaker 3: So if there is work that's happening under the COLPG

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Speaker 3: government to get that permanent site allocated and approved, and

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Speaker 3: I think that's positive. But in terms of timing, where

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Speaker 3: does that happen Otherwise, where does the service go, and

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Speaker 3: where do the vulnerable people go to collect a service,

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Speaker 3: to access a service, to be supported by a service.

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Speaker 3: So there has to be that nice balance between that,

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Speaker 3: and I think if there is the process of a

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Speaker 3: permanent site, that definitely needs to continue.

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Speaker 5: So I think what we've seen here is the problems

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Speaker 5: we shifted from Stuart Park to Coconut Growth. It was

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Speaker 5: a serious issue in Stuell Park and the community there

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Speaker 5: obviously made it known and now we've got it in

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Speaker 5: Coconut Grove. So the problems just shifted. It needs to

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Speaker 5: be a priority of government to find a proper location

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Speaker 5: where working with everyone, all the stakeholders and get a

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Speaker 5: good location and make a priority. It can't be one

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Speaker 5: of these projects will when we get to we'll get

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Speaker 5: to it because it's been an ongoing issue for early

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Speaker 5: decades and people have a right to want to have

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Speaker 5: their community, you know, not being disadvantaged by antisocial behavior.

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Speaker 5: And yes, we do need to find the disadvantage people

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Speaker 5: a proper place with services to you know, to go

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Speaker 5: to and be be helped. So I think it has

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Speaker 5: to be a prior to government to find that location

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Speaker 5: and not just talk about Gary.

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Speaker 1: One of the other things we've been talking about for

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Speaker 1: quite some time, particularly since the CLP came into government,

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Speaker 1: is some of the issues around our court system and

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Speaker 1: some of the delays that we've seen within our court system.

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Speaker 1: Mary Claire, I understand that you have got a bit

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Speaker 1: of an update when it comes to what some of

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Speaker 1: those numbers maybe how are things tracking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Katie, I know, as you know your

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Speaker 2: listeners would remember, we've done a lot of work on

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Speaker 2: not just police and correct but of course courts, which

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Speaker 2: sits in the middle of that, and we need to

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Speaker 2: ensure that we have justice for victims, that all three

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Speaker 2: of those things are working as efficiently as possible. And

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Speaker 2: so the work as Attorney General that I've been doing

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Speaker 2: along with police and corrections has now seen another increase

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Speaker 2: in bail refusals of thirty eight percent as the last

656
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Speaker 2: look at that, which is a huge number, and so

657
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: that means that there's less people back out on the

658
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: streets after committing a crime to continue those crimes, and

659
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Speaker 2: that's good.

660
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Speaker 4: Its sitting at before.

661
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Speaker 2: Well, we had an increase of about forty percent in

662
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Speaker 2: the first lot, and then thirty eight percent. I don't

663
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: actually have the numbers. That's just the percentage of the

664
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Speaker 2: top of my head, Katie, I don't have the numbers

665
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: in front of me. But the other thing that we

666
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: have seen continue the trend after the last data release

667
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: and then the most recent is that the number of

668
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: sentenced prisoners continues to outweigh the number of prisoners or

669
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Speaker 2: people on remand, and that's been a huge shift. It

670
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: used to be the other way around, and it was

671
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 2: all a really serious concern for territorians and so that

672
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Speaker 2: work continues. There's been that change, and of course there's

673
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: also been a reduction in the number of days that

674
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: people are waiting for their sentences, another seven percent decrease

675
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Speaker 2: in the last lot of data.

676
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: So what is the average number that people are waiting

677
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: the number of days.

678
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: It's about one hundred and thirty two days in the

679
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: local court KD, so quite a long time. It used

680
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: to be a lot higher than that and what so

681
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: that's just part of the work over the last twelve months.

682
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Speaker 2: But then of course next year we want to continue

683
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: that work because we're only just getting started. And what

684
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: I've found over the year is that the courts needed

685
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: a fresh set of eyes to be looking at all

686
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: of the different processes that happen behind the scenes. And

687
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Speaker 2: so we're now looking at reform to make sure that

688
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: we can find those things that take a long time,

689
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Speaker 2: if they're duplicated or you know, causing people to have

690
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: more interactions than they need to. Then that's what we're

691
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: going to free up in this next lot of reform

692
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Speaker 2: that we're doing.

693
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Speaker 1: I mean, Selena and Gary, what do you make of

694
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Speaker 1: those numbers looking at the you know, the days that

695
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Speaker 1: people are waiting to go into local court one hundred

696
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Speaker 1: and thirty two days. I mean, it still seems like

697
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Speaker 1: a substantial amount of time. Like to me the fact

698
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Speaker 1: that we've now turned things around slightly in terms of

699
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: prisoners sentenced, there's now more of them than those on remand.

700
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Speaker 1: Do we have any of those numbers though, like how

701
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Speaker 1: many people are actually on remand at.

702
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: This point, Yeah, I don't have the exact numbers of

703
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: those people. I can definitely get them to you, Katie

704
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: for your listeners, and you can read that out a

705
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: bit later. But you know, as we know, for a

706
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: number of years, those those remand numbers were looking you know,

707
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: they were they were on remand for such a long time,

708
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: and I know there was a lot of genuine concern

709
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: about that because they you know, we wanted to have

710
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: that justice for victims for a starting point, and of

711
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: course then being sentenced meant back then that you could

712
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: continue your or start your rehabilitation, you know, in an

713
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: environment where you're serving your sentence.

714
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, and you want to make sure people aren't sitting

715
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: in the watchhouse for a long time either, you know.

716
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: So that's another factor that has been at play. But

717
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: I think the watch housers have freed up a bit

718
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: based on what Corrections had told me the last time

719
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: I spoke to them.

720
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 4: That's right, Is that the case?

721
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's always a moving feace, Like you've basically

722
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: got people coming in and out of the watchhouse because

723
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: that's what it is. It's like a transfer station.

724
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 4: If you like, it should be, but it wasn't for a.

725
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: And so those numbers have been coming down. I don't

726
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: have the numbers off the top of my head from

727
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: Police and Corrections right now, Katie, but it's certainly with

728
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: the work that Corrections and Police have done that, you know,

729
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 2: it has become more like a transfer station now instead

730
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Speaker 2: of a romand center, which is what it was for

731
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Speaker 2: a number of years.

732
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Speaker 1: What do you make of it, Selena? I mean, do

733
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: you think that they're good numbers? The bail refusal at

734
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent? An increase of thirty eight percent? What

735
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: do you make like, what do you make of that?

736
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think we'll obviously territories have been asking for

737
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: a bit of reprieve when it comes to safety in community.

738
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: Safety has obviously been and will con tinue to be

739
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: a huge priority for territories, and so it should. I

740
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: think the cost obviously of whether someone's on remand or

741
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 3: whether they've been sentenced, So I think and Marie Claire

742
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 3: would be able to give us the exact figure, But

743
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: it's over four hundred dollars per day. So we're talking

744
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: about someone who's waiting to be sentenced for what one

745
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty two was it, Yeah, one hundred and

746
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 3: thirty three thirty two days. On average, it's a cost

747
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: for that one individual about four hundred plus per day,

748
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: So that that obviously actually takes away for what money

749
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: could be invested into justice ree investment into those rehab programs.

750
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Speaker 2: That's why we're looking to bring it down, and that's

751
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: why you know, it has been coming down under the

752
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: changes we've made, and we've never shied away from the

753
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: fact that there is so much more work to do,

754
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: and we really are.

755
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: Just last week, Katie, we heard from I think it

756
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: was an ABC special report around you ten of the

757
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: eleven rehab programs that are focused on behavior reoffending, reducing

758
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: that reoffending behavior, particularly for men in our correction centers,

759
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 3: had not been accessed or had been canceled, So there's

760
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: more people going to our prison, less people accessing those

761
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: rehab data. You've got a really good chance. With me

762
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: not interrupting you, I'd like.

763
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: I don't have to correct it record though that was

764
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: from a previous period Commission.

765
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Speaker 3: We're talking about the concept, right, You're talking about reducing

766
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: remand days, but also having more people in prison. What

767
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: happens when people do get out of prison. That's the

768
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: big question because at the moment, that's where I feel

769
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: the CEOP is dropping the ball. They don't have a

770
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 3: plan around how do we make our community safe once

771
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: people are released, Because if people aren't accessing those rehab programs,

772
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: if they're not changing their behavior, Katie, they're coming out

773
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: of prison with the exact same behavior, and chances are

774
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: within two years, that's what the stats show. Within two

775
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: years that I hate, but that reoffending behavior reoccurs and

776
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: then people go back in the system. So it's unfortunately

777
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: a revolving doors. So more in that rehab space to

778
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: be able to show that not just people are facing

779
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: the consequence for their wrongdoing. That has to happen, but

780
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: what happens to be able to support and that's what

781
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: the corrections departments for correct ability, that's the whole name

782
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: of that department. Otherwise, change the name, get rid of

783
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: the name. Because the idea of being able to have

784
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: justice reinvestments so you have people contributing to our community

785
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: in a positive way and not in the negative way

786
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: that they found themselves in or that they you know,

787
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: they led themselves into a situation, but being able to

788
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: actually have a system that provides that not just the

789
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: recourse back to society, but also how do we make

790
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: our community safer in the long run. That's really what

791
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: we're question.

792
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: I might see whether we can get commission of Ali

793
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: on the show next week as well, to try and

794
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: find out a bit more about some of those programs.

795
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 5: Because those rehab programs are a very important part of

796
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 5: a person coming out of a corrections facility a management

797
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 5: plan hopefully keep their life on track. So I'd like

798
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 5: to see what those current plan, those current management plans are,

799
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 5: because obviously I would assume they're part of what was

800
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 5: previously in place. They would expected've changed too dramatically in

801
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 5: the twelve months that were that the government's been there.

802
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 5: So I just management, management plans and rehab plans are

803
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 5: such an important part of making sure that these people

804
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 5: that come out don't go back in. And in terms

805
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 5: of people being incarceratedble you know, I think the majority

806
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 5: of the public out there doesn't have too much sympathy

807
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 5: in that space because it's a public safety issue. But certainly, yeah,

808
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 5: you can't have one without the other. You've got to

809
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 5: have three management plans and management plans that you can

810
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 5: do kpies on and what's working and what you ssuld

811
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Speaker 5: because you don't just throw money at these plans. You've

812
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 5: got to make sure that those plans are getting results.

813
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

814
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Speaker 2: What I do okay to is that the number of

815
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: programs in like for rehab in prisons across a number

816
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 2: of areas has increased since labors in government under our government,

817
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: and that is how many. I don't have the numbers

818
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: on me again, I'll get them through. I'll have some

819
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: other numbers for you in a second. But the fact

820
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: that we're doing more rehab in prisons now compared to

821
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: what it used to be, as well as got more

822
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: numbers in the prisons and obviously we've been through that

823
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: twelve months of juggling how we're going to get the

824
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: community to be safer and those people off the streets,

825
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: and so really that the start there is a really

826
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: good result, and like I keep saying, we've got so

827
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: much more weight to do, but I think we're on

828
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: the right track.

829
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a really quick break. You are

830
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty d

831
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: is the week that was. Oh, there's still plenty to discuss.

832
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: We'll see how much we can get through. If you've

833
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: just joined us. Marie Clair Booth, b selena Ubo and

834
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Gary Shipway in the studio with us now. Yesterday we

835
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: did speak about the fact that in Melbourne, Saint Vincent

836
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: Hospital is facing criticism over a new policy giving Aboriginal

837
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: and Torres Straight Island of patients priority treatment in its

838
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: emergency department, guaranteeing that they're seen within thirty minutes of arrival.

839
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: Now.

840
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Speaker 1: Supporters say it's a vital step to close the health

841
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: gap and improve outcomes for First Nations people, but some

842
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: Indigenous leaders, including Warren mut Dean, slammed it as an

843
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: idiot policy.

844
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Speaker 4: Arguing that medical care should be based on need, not race.

845
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: Now, the Chief Minister called into the show yesterday and

846
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: said this wouldn't be happening in the Northern Territory, that

847
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: you would not be receiving treatment based on your race,

848
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: it would be based on your need, and that obviously

849
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: patients would be triaged in our emergency ward.

850
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Speaker 4: Now, some listeners called.

851
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: In and sort of disagreed or text in saying that

852
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: they feel as though there is already a policy like

853
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: this in place in the Northern Territory. I mean, first off,

854
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: what is everybody's reaction. Do you think that this is

855
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: something that should be happening in the Northern Territory.

856
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: I've never seen that happen here. I had the occasion

857
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 5: that with my kids growing up, and I had we've

858
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 5: broken arms in that and you have to take your

859
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 5: kids to emergency And I'm seriously, I've never seen that

860
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 5: happen here. And you know, and I think it's a

861
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: recipe for resentment. It wouldn't matter if anyone gets in

862
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 5: ahead of the queue. Yeah, it doesn't matter you know

863
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 5: which nationality you are or I think that's that's create

864
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 5: a problem in the Victoria. I've never seen it happen here.

865
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: Look for me, I think to myself, if I go

866
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: into emergency with a broken leg and somebody comes in

867
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: who's having a heart attack, I don't care where they

868
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: come from. They deserve to go in before me. You know,

869
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: if I went in with my nephew who's Aboriginal, and

870
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: we both had broken legs, I'm buddy twenty years older

871
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: than him, i better get to go in before him

872
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Speaker 1: because I've got, you know, higher blood pressure, and I've

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Speaker 1: got other things you know, wrong with me. He's a

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Speaker 1: you know, a young, healthy Indigenous man. But so I

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Speaker 1: think that that's I don't like. I just feel as

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Speaker 1: though it will create a divide within a community where

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Speaker 1: I don't I I don't think we are divided in

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Speaker 1: that way. I think we've got some amazing Aboriginal health

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Speaker 1: services that do a bloody incredible job. I do understand

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Speaker 1: that we've got Indigenous people in the Northern Territory. We've

881
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Speaker 1: got some health issues that are you know, that are

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Speaker 1: much more prevalent here in the Northern Territory within our

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Speaker 1: indigenous community that we need work on. And we've got

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Speaker 1: some health workers, incredible allied health workers who are working

885
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Speaker 1: in this space and have been for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know that you know that. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that this is the right step across Australia. I

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Speaker 1: think that we you know, when you're talking about an

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Speaker 1: emergency ward, I believe it should be you are triaged

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Speaker 1: based on your level of need at that point in time.

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Speaker 5: Would you be putting health official health medical professionals in

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Speaker 5: an untenable situation where they've got to you know, they've

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Speaker 5: got to make a decision there and then who needs

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Speaker 5: to be who they need to see, who's the most

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Speaker 5: urgent case? And surely you know that's that should be

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Speaker 5: left to them to decide that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, not policy on ideology or whatever it might be

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Speaker 2: that Victoria are doing. I think you're right, Katie. Like

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Speaker 2: the health professionals, they know whether someone is more important

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Speaker 2: and more urgent than someone else that has to be

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Speaker 2: treated the most far the most quick right and I

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Speaker 2: think that to be able to say in Victoria you

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Speaker 2: also have to consider these other factors before you make

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Speaker 2: that medical decision. That's just putting them in a really

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Speaker 2: unfair situation.

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Speaker 4: Makes it tough for the health workers.

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Speaker 3: Selena, what's your take yeah, Katie, I don't think this

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Speaker 3: is a conversation that's relevant for the Northern Territory because

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Speaker 3: our health professionals are just that, they're professionals. They have

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Speaker 3: the skills, they have the training, they have the knowledge

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Speaker 3: here in the territory's context to do exactly what everyone's

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Speaker 3: just said this morning. It's to triage and to treat

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Speaker 3: territorians or visitors to the territory based on what their

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Speaker 3: health needs are. So I think that, you know, if

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Speaker 3: that's in a frenzy down there in the East Coast,

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Speaker 3: I just think we're better off looking and supporting our

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Speaker 3: health professionals here because they do a bloody good job

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Speaker 3: day in and day out, and I know they'll continue

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Speaker 3: to do that. So I don't think it's it's relevant

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Speaker 3: at all here in the territory because they already do

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Speaker 3: a bloody fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Maybe some of the lad we live here, maybe, yeah, exactly, Katy,

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Speaker 2: I don't like that policy, which I'm sure many don't

924
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Speaker 2: come into the territory. We've got plenty of work and

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Speaker 2: it's a great place to live.

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Speaker 1: Spot On, we'll take a really quick break. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 4: It is the week that was. If you've just.

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Speaker 1: Joined us in the studio, will you've missed out because

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Speaker 1: we've got in the studio Marie Claire Booby, the Attorney Nor,

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Speaker 1: we've got the opposition leader, Selena Ubo, and the head

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Speaker 1: of news at the ter News, Gary ship Bay. Now,

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Speaker 1: before we wrap up, Murray Claire, I've got a bone

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Speaker 1: to pick with you. It's the luxA Festival. Obviously, when

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Speaker 1: is someone going to make a bib fortal.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got to say I went down to the Gully,

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Speaker 2: which is aquisine or fish feeding as we all know

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Speaker 2: it growing up in the territory, and they had made

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Speaker 2: a luxA with cut up noodles, so.

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Speaker 4: You didn't have to like it everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I thought, surely that's going to be a crowd player

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Speaker 2: the Queen's way of eating.

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Speaker 3: You were going to say they make the luxe with

944
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Speaker 3: the fish, You're not having luxA.

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Speaker 2: Fish anyway. The LuxI Festival is one.

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Speaker 1: It is night and so a change of location, change

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Speaker 1: of venue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've moved down to the waterfront, more parking. Everyone

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Speaker 2: loves down there and yeah, there's been something like one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty three entrance people have been talking about

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Speaker 2: it all awesome. Yeah, and of course, you know, big competition.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of rivalry there. I've had a few

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Speaker 2: taste sessions myself and everyone's like, what about us? What

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Speaker 2: about us? So yeah, tasting a lot of lucks.

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Speaker 4: I love a good luxA.

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Speaker 2: They're so good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Where's your favorite?

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Speaker 6: Gary?

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Speaker 5: I liked her prep? Oh yeah, nice morning.

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Speaker 3: What about there's some good ones in town. There's a

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Speaker 3: new one now, yeah, which is really awesome. I think

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Speaker 3: we won the regional last year, yeah, which is pretty awesome.

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Speaker 3: So don't want to give too many secrets.

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Speaker 1: No, and I was going to say, Mary Claire, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're allowed to have a favorite when you're

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Speaker 1: the minister that I oversees that festival.

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Speaker 2: No, it's highly competitive.

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Speaker 1: Just taking you to the parliamentary public, that's a month.

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Speaker 1: But I do think someone needs to create a bit

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Speaker 1: just before I wrap up, because you always end up

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Speaker 1: staining your shirt. So if someone can do that for

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Speaker 1: next year.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be a good IDEA.

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Speaker 5: Dark blue or a black shirtwhere and white.

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Speaker 3: It's very important.

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Speaker 4: On that note, we better wrap up.

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Speaker 1: It's been great to have you all in the studio

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Speaker 1: and no doubt everybody heading to the luxA Festival on

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Gary Shipway, head of News at the NT News,

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Speaker 1: lovely to have you on the studiod.

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Speaker 5: To me, I want to say Crystal h Hello, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 5: photo Katie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah we will.

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Speaker 1: We'll get Crystal in our photo this morning. Selina you

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Speaker 1: by the Opposition leader. Thank you so much for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie.

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Speaker 6: And just a reminder, it's World Teacher's Day. Please get

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Speaker 6: out and congratulate all the teachers and the staff in

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Speaker 6: our schools across the NT. They do a phenomenal job

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Speaker 6: for our kids and today is their special day.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately hijacked by Halloween, but please don't.

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Speaker 4: Forget our teachers today and we'll teachers on and.

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Speaker 1: Marie Claire Boothy, the Attorney General, thank you for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and happy will Teachers Day and of course

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Speaker 2: happy last day as well to Crystal and yeah very

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Speaker 2: much looking forward to getting out on the weekend to

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Speaker 2: the lux of festivals. They come on down to the waterfront.

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Speaker 1: Should be plenty of fun. Thank you all so much.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine.

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Speaker 4: That was the week that was