1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: And we know that right now. Lea Fanocchiaro, the opposition leader, 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: joins us on the line. Let me just make sure 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: I've got that line up. Good morning, hang on a second. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Leah, Good morning, Katie. 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm here. 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm here, just juggling everything here this morning. And well, 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: we've just heard from Matt Cunningham out there at Howard 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Springs from Sky News three absconders out of the Center 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: for National Resilience. At this point in time, we don't 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: know whether they are or are not COVID positive. About 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: four forty this morning, it was reported that they'd scaled 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: the fence and fled the area. 13 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: How shameful is it that between four forty and now 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: not no territory and has heard from Michael Garner or 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: Natasha Files or any front from the Labor government about 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: what is going on either the same people or are 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: happy to stand up in front of the flags and 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: give press conference after press conference when COVID is going 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: their way. But we've seen in an absconding a person abscone. 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: Last week, we saw the Health Minister blame it on 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: the storm. Now we've got members people who were in 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 2: Howard Springs out presumably on the loose, who knows where 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: they are, and the Gunner government are nowhere to be seen. 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: So I think that's pretty appalling form that we haven't 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: got better communication out of government on what the status 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: is today. 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: Well, what we know right now is that police and 28 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: staff at that center are currently confirming the identity of 29 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: these people who've escaped prior to releasing further information. I mean, 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: is that fair enough that they actually wait until they've 31 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: got the ride info before they go out and speak 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: to the media. 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: I think the Gunner government should have come out and 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: laid people's concerns. They should have thanked police, asked Territorians 35 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: to cooperate with police who are out there trying in 36 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: very difficult circumstances to undertake the roadblog. They should have 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: let people know how many people had ascondered. I mean, 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: it's just completely typical of the Gunner government to bury 39 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: their head in the stem when it comes to bad news. 40 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: And I just want to thank our police who are 41 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: out there this morning, and everyone who obviously probably ran 42 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: late for work and all those other things. You know, 43 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: it's a very difficult situation. But what remains is that 44 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: there are three people from that quarantine facility on the loose, 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: and you know, are you worried that it doesn't result 46 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: in a major outbreak, Leah? 47 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: Are you concerned that these three people could actually have 48 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: COVID and we're not aware of it at this point? Well, 49 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: of course. 50 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: It's always a concern. I mean, you know, of course, 51 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: we had that person abscone last week. Unfortunately they weren't. 52 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: We don't have any real information about the three people 53 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: who are out today, so time will tell them and 54 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: hopefully it all works out. But ultimately it raises big 55 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: questions about what is going on within that facility. Why, 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: all of a sudden are people able to abscond. Has 57 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: the government made any changes to how that facility operates, 58 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of question marks around why this 59 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 2: has happened, Lea. 60 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: Somebody has suggested on the three sixty text line this 61 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: morning that I need to electrify the fence. Is that 62 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: something that we should be doing out there? 63 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, I don't know the rules around that, 64 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: but certainly, you know, it raises questions. Of course, our 65 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: police are under a huge demand. We have had police 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: being drawn from all over the territory to deal with 67 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: the lockouts and lockdowns that we have had and continue 68 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: to have, and of course you know, police attrition is 69 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: at a rate that we can't even replace, So I've 70 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: got no doubt that there's an enormous strain on the system. 71 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: I know that we've recruited Australian Federal Police to come 72 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: and help support the territory in running that quarantine facility, 73 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: but you know it's not good enough and we can't 74 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: see people absconding from that facility. So the Gunner government 75 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: need to explain how this has happened and what they're 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: doing to better support our police and our health professionals 77 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: who are out there every day trying to contain COVID 78 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: to that facility. 79 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: Well, Leah, we know that this is a big concern. 80 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: We here on three sixty will make sure that we 81 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: keep our listeners up to date with any of that 82 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: information as it comes to hand. But I do want 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: to go across and talk about the situation in Parliament. 84 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: We know that legislation around abortion passed through Parliament last night. 85 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: There were some really impassioned speetures, including one from the 86 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: Opposition spokesperson for Health Bill Yan, who revealed his own 87 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: choice not to abort their unborn daughter twenty five years ago. 88 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: I know that several MLAs did express concern about allowing 89 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: abortions beyond twenty four weeks. The legislation did pass, Lea. 90 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: Did the COLP members support it in the end. 91 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: So the legislation did pass. It didn't include to a division, 92 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: so people's vote wasn't recorded. But ultimately the legislation has 93 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 2: passed that will come into effect. Certainly, Mary Claire Boothy 94 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: made it very clear our Member for Brennan, she made 95 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: it very clear that she did not support the bill 96 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: in its current form. Members of Parliament spoke to that 97 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: same effect. But ultimately we spent a lot of time 98 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: going through the bill in some detail to ask the 99 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: questions of the Health Minister that people who did have 100 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: concerns were asking us. 101 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: Well, and I know that you know that obviously that 102 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: legislation passed. There was a lot of other things discussed 103 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: yesterday in Parliament as well, though during question time you'd 104 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: really taken the opportunity to try to drill down on 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: the Government over their proposed public service pay bonus. Leah, 106 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: what exactly is your concern here? Do you feel as 107 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: though those public servants should just be getting an increase 108 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: to their salaries so that it's not a bonus, it's 109 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: something that they should be receiving each and every year. 110 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: What do you think needs to happen. 111 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've firmly been of the view that the plan 112 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: for budget repair, I mean tax payer is paid for. 113 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 2: And the Gunner government commissioned a plan for budget repair 114 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: that was in twenty nineteen, and that plan clearly that 115 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: it's fair and reasonable for the public service to get 116 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: a one thousand dollars a year pay rise. That way, 117 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: it limits that wages growth but also ensures that there 118 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 2: is wages growth. Now the Gunner government has come out 119 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: and backflipped on that recommendation of the plan for budget repair. 120 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: They've now come out with some extremely expensive bonuses scheme. 121 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: We're calling it the bogus bonus because of course it's 122 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: a four year pay freeze by another name. The Gunner 123 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: government hasn't come out and explained the financial modeling of 124 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: how they're going to afford that, and of course what 125 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: we're saying is that public servants can't take a promise 126 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: of a bonus to the bank and secure their mortgage, 127 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: whereas real wages growth gives them that security and their 128 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: employment to be able to make plans for their life 129 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: and have that certainty. 130 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, though we are still talking, my understanding 131 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: is that we are still talking about public servants receiving 132 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: ten thousand extra dollars over that four year period, no 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: matter what job they are in. Now, I certainly understand 134 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: what you're saying, that you know that they do deserve 135 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: or that they you know that they should have the 136 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: opportunity where they've got that surety within their jobs. And 137 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: I get that if you're in the public service right now, 138 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: you'd be thinking to yourself, well, why shouldn't we receive 139 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: that increase each and every year, and why should we 140 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: take it as a ten thousand dollars you know, lump 141 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: sum or some which is a bonus. But for a 142 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: lot of people listening this morning that work in private enterprise, 143 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: they will be thinking to themselves, why is the taxpayer 144 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: footing this? No matter how you bundle it up. 145 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the distinction is we absolutely agree that 146 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: the private sector, many people will not be getting a 147 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: bonus or a pay right. And this is the problem 148 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: with Michael Gunner's inability to grow our economy is terrible 149 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: economic management, and we have the worst performing economy in 150 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: the nation for twelve consecutive quarters. That aside that, there 151 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: is an EBA negotiation for the public service. So the 152 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: question is what are we going to do about that. 153 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: Michael Gunner is saying, here, we'll give you ten thousand 154 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: dollars cash, take that away and go and spend it 155 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: on Christmas presents. We're saying that that is where has 156 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: that come from? How much is that going to cost? 157 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: That is unreasonable, and it's unreasonable for a number of reasons. 158 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: First because it's bloody expensive. 159 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then then a lot of people listening we're thinking, well, 160 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people listening though, will be thinking to themselves, well, 161 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: the colp is, you know, is hedging their bets. They're 162 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: sort of having it both ways. We're trying to have 163 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: it both ways here where they're saying that the public 164 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: service should still get a pay rise, but you don't 165 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: like what the government is proposing. 166 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: Well, the government aren't proposing a pay ride. They want 167 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: to be really clear in the distinction. We are proposing 168 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: a one thousand dollars a year payride. So that means 169 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: this year public servants will get one thousand dollars added 170 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: to their salary. Next year they'll get another one thousand dollars, 171 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: and on and on that go. What Michael Gunner is 172 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: proposing is frozen paint. So the pay level stays the 173 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: same four years. But at Christmas he will give people 174 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: four thousand dollars, so four times the amount that we're proposing. 175 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: Next year will give them two thousand dollars, a year 176 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: after that two thousand dollars, and the year after that 177 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: two thousand dollars. We're saying that's come from nowhere. It 178 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: doesn't follow the plan for budget repair, it doesn't deal 179 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: with our a spiraling budget, and it doesn't give security. 180 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: So and Michael Gunner's scheme everyone losing. 181 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,359 Speaker 1: So what's the difference between in terms of the financials. 182 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: How much is what you're proposing going to cost the 183 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: taxpayer and how much is what the government's proposing going 184 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: to cost the tax payer. 185 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 2: In our calculations, and we've been rejected briefings from the 186 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: Gunner government which is absolutely appalling, both from the Commissioner 187 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 2: for Public Employment and from the under Treasure, which just 188 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: shows you how open and transparent this government wants to be. 189 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: But our figures clearly show that there's about one hundred 190 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: million dollar difference between our proposal and Gunner's proposal, and 191 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: our proposal is about one hundred million dollars cheaper but 192 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: gives greater certainty to the public service. And the unions 193 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: have even come out and said that this bonus is 194 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: nothing more than a bribe. 195 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: All right, let's move along, because there is something else 196 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: I want to ask about this morning, and we're running 197 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: out of time, but I do want to ask. I 198 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: know that yesterday on air, we spoke about a report 199 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: by the ABC which outline tougher bail laws have triggered 200 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: a surge in young people being held in detention in 201 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, including the first ten year old to 202 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: be held at john Dale Facility since that twenty seventeen 203 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: Royal Commission into Youth Detention. Now, Leah, what do you 204 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: think that these changes to the bail laws? Say? I mean, 205 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: we understand that this data which has been obtained by 206 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: the ABC shows almost sixty young people per day have 207 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: been detained in Darwin and Alla Springs during November, which 208 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: is almost double the daily figure from six months ago. 209 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: But what do these numbers indicate to you. 210 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: Do you know what they show me, Katie that even 211 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: with these weak bow laws that the Gunner government have created, 212 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: we've got more use than ever in youth detention, which 213 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: means there are more use than ever committing crimes because 214 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: imagine the volume of young people who are not going 215 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: to john Dale who are committing hideous crimes regularly across 216 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: the territory. And I just think this show the total 217 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: failure of the Gunner government to be able to deal 218 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: with this issue. And it goes to the core of 219 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: their weak approach right from the start, where they've watered 220 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: down Bower laws, warded down youth justice laws, disempowered our 221 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: police and of course the thirty five million dollar payout 222 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: to use criminals being the biggest insult to victims and 223 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 2: territoriums Now. 224 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: One of the things though, that youth advocates are saying 225 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: is that we shouldn't have children as young as ten 226 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: being locked up in john Dale. They are saying that 227 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: we need to raise that age of criminal responsibility. I 228 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: understand the Chief Minister Michael Gonna confirm yesterday on ABC 229 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: Radio that yep, they're going to raise it. I mean, 230 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: I been saying that for quite some time. But the 231 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: reality is here, we've got ten year olds who are 232 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: out on the street doing the wrong thing. Where are 233 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: they going to go if they're not going into detention? 234 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: And I certainly don't think that ten year olds should 235 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: be going into detention, but we've got an issue where 236 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: they clearly don't have somewhere else to be. 237 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: It means they'll be back out on the street committing 238 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: more crimes. Katie, we absolutely will not support raising the 239 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: criminal age of responsibility and you're right, no ten year 240 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: old should be in prison. But if there is a 241 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: ten year old in prison, it means they have done 242 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: a long, severe string of offending. So the bigger question 243 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: there is how does a ten year old get to 244 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: the point where they are able to commit that many 245 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: crimes that they end up in a correctional facility. And 246 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: this is where there is a huge problem with territory 247 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: families being in control of the care and protection of 248 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: children and of youth justice, which is why if I 249 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: was Chief Minister Katie, we would be separating those out 250 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: because it is failing territories, it's failing victims, and it's 251 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: failing to use themselves well. 252 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: Lea Finocchiaro, the opposition leader. We are going to have 253 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: to leave it there. Thanks so much for having a 254 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: chat with us this morning. 255 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: Take care everyone. 256 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: Thank you.