1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to How I've Work, a show about the technics 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: used by the world's most successful people to get so 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: much out of their day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imba. 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm an organizational psychologist, the founder of behavioral science consultancy Inventium, 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: and I'm obsessed with finding ways to optimize my work date. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: This episode is another my favorite tip episode. The titles 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: probably pretty self explanatory. It's about my favorite tip from 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: each of the interviews that I conduct. So my guest 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: today is Fred Shavester. Fred is an award winning business 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: leader best known for co founding one of the world's 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: leading comparison websites, Finder dot com. Find a dot com 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: compares virtually everything from cryptocurrency exchanges and wallets, credit cards, 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: and insurance, to savings, travel, technology, and electronics. Finder dot 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: com attracts over eight to ten million visitors per month 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: and now of rates in over eighty countries now. In 16 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: this chat with Fred, one of my favorite tips was 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: around how he goes around identifying top talent in the 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: recruitment process. Sorry, let's head on to Fred to hear 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: about some of his very practical strategies for finding the 20 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: best people. When he is recruiting for finder dot com. 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: I want to squitch gears because I imagine you probably 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: spend time interviewing I imagine thousands of different candidates to 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: work at FindOut, and I'm wondering, like, from all that experience, 24 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: do you now have particular go to questions or specific 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: methods that you've found to be effective to learn as 26 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: much as possible about people in a short space of time. 27 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, tell me what they are. 28 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: So one of them is I don't give the address 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 2: of the interview, Like, so if you can't use Google 30 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: and figure out where we are, then I'm not sure 31 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: you're supposed to be joining an internet company. And it 32 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: says so much right, it's are you proactive? You know, 33 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: detailed those kind of things. Another question I ask is 34 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: do you love to win or hate to lose? And 35 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: the answer for me is it has to be one 36 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: or the other. Either you love to win or you 37 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: hate to lose. That's very specific. You're to be binary. 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: You can't be like, oh, sometimes I don't mind, you 39 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: know if we lose a little bit, or you know 40 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 2: it's going to be a fun fight, or I'm like nah, 41 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: wrong person. You can go and join the living team 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: and then hand that win to me every single day 43 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: of the week. 44 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: What's that about for you? That answer? Like, is it 45 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: just someone that is sure of themselves, sure of their opinions? 46 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: What does that say to you? 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: They're competitive, they want to win, they want to be great, 48 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: and if they don't, then you know, I'm not sure 49 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: that I'll work terribly well with that person. 50 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there'll be kind of a values misalignment. 51 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: I guess correct. 52 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: What else? What else are you doing? In recruitment, we. 53 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: Always give them a test. I want to see some 54 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: actual work. I sometimes I just give people a laptop 55 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: and say, show me your work on the Internet, and 56 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: I want to see them actually use their computer. You know. 57 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: If they're like two finger typing, I'm like nah, you know, 58 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: or they're like struggling to use the computer and the 59 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: way they use it them like, ah, man, this is 60 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: an internet company. You know you don't understand the Internet? 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: Then well I'm not sure. Sometimes I do want people 62 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: who are like that, but they can balance me out 63 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: where you for certain roles. You don't want them to 64 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: be too technical. You want them to actually think from 65 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: a different perspective, and I think that's good as well, 66 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: but in the most general sense. You know, if you've 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: got a hotmail address and you're coming to an interview 68 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: with me, nah, like two thousand and two is finished now, Yeah. 69 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: There's some fun strategies any other go to questions that 70 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: you're asking in the job interview itself. 71 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: You know, I asked a lot of people like, so, 72 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: you know, what's your superpower? I love to know if 73 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: you're self aware, if you're committed to, you know, refining 74 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: yourself to work out what is your best genius self? 75 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: You know, I'd love to hear people. I also love it. 76 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: What's the hardest job you've done? You know, if you 77 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: if your hardest job was well, I used to work 78 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: eight hours at the cinema and I used to collect 79 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: the stubs so that people could go in. And it 80 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: was long and now and it was boring and lah lah, 81 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, Whereas my guys said, well, during the day, 82 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 2: I used to work at a call center and sell 83 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: you know, electricity prians, and then I'd go to university 84 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: for two hours. Then I'd leave, go and deal cards 85 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: at the casino, come home at one o'clock and do 86 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: it all again. For seven days a week. And I 87 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: did that for three years, and I'm like, I want 88 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: to work with you because I have that same work ethic. 89 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: You know, That's what I have. So I'm going to 90 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: work with people who work hard. 91 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: That is it for today's show. If you know someone 92 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: who could benefit from this tip, maybe someone that does 93 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: a lot of recruiting, why not share this episode with them. 94 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: And if you'd like to listen to my full chat 95 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: with Fred, you can find a link to that in 96 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: the show notes. 97 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: So that is it for 98 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: Today's show and I will see you next time.