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I love 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:36.920 hearing your feedback, so make sure you leave a review 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.600 or a comment on your chosen podcast platform. Today's episode, 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.000 I'm joined by the winner of RuPaul's Drag Race down 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.440 Under season three. It is the Fabulous isis Avis Lorenz. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.400 The Melbourne based drag queen has been dragging it up 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.240 for over a decade with hosting, lip syncing and over 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.640 fifteen years experience in sewing and Designing. To say that 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:59.720 Avers brought a polished performance is simply an understatement from 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.800 help the other Queen's her Donna Tulliversaci in the Snatch 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.759 Game and a Kylie Green fairy that actually worked. Ice 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.360 has walked away with a crown and possibly the only 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.280 negative thing I could say about the series is that 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.240 we kind of knew who the winner was when the 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.640 series first started. I will find out how Avers celebrated 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.280 the win and who was sitting right beside her that 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.520 made the night so special. Avis will unpack the highs 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.520 and lows from the series and talk about the most 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.480 common questions that she gets asked by you, guys, the fans. 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.080 You will get an exclusive reveal on miss Congeniality in 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.600 the eyes of this year's winner, and we will talk 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.679 about All Stars and if the winners should return if 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.800 Down Under it doesn't All Stars for series four. Plus 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.040 we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.679 of RuPaul's Drag Race down Under, which is now available 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.200 to watch on STAN Australia. If you've fallen just that 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.800 little bit behind anyway, let's bring ices into the podcast 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.200 and guys, I hope you enjoy this very special look 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.120 at RuPaul's Drag Race season finale for twenty twenty three. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.280 Even though you can kind of hear that I have 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.920 a bit of a coult. Anyway, guys, anyway, guys, let's 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.520 bring Isis into the podcast. So how are you anyway? 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.000 How have you been surviving the week? 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.400 Great? Thank you so much. It's been a crazy week. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.440 On top of winning, we're also on tour, which is 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.680 just already chaotic. It's been incredible, incredible. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.760 Well, the kind of felt like the competition was yours 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.200 to lose from the start. I mean, everyone I spoke 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.200 to was like, isis has got this in the bag? 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.600 I wanted to know, could you feel that fan favoritism 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.880 coming in throughout your time on the show. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.520 I could feel the love. I'm not sure if I 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.000 was a fan favorite. And there's so many wonderful girls 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.959 this season. Polly gabs floor bumper, just there wonderful personalities. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.600 All the girls are very wonderful personalities, and like, going 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.840 into it, I thought I'm Al was going to have 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.760 an amazing ride because she just her personality is incredible. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.720 I love her to pieces. So while I had a 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.359 good run and I was sort of maybe front runner, 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.120 if you will in people's minds. I was under no 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.000 illusion that you never know what's going to happen in 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.840 drag Race and tests ever we want. It takes all 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.720 different kinds of people to win. I'm just stoked that 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:01.639 I'm the one. You came out on top of the end. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.840 Well. I saw you with the Mullen Rooge premiere and 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.160 you addressed as the Green Fairy, and I was like, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.280 I think you're going to win, and you went, well, hopefully. 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.040 I don't think you knew at that point. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.640 No, we had no idea, still a few episodes to go. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.639 I think we were about the halfway point by then, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.720 and you just don't know what You just don't know 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.120 what's going to happen. You don't know how they're going 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:20.679 to edit it. I don't know what they want you to, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.040 how they're going to be I was just thrilled to 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:24.040 be a part of the process. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.400 How did you find out? So I believe that you 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.320 got to watch it in a screening, which is basically 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.440 the same time as the rest of Australia was watching it, Like, 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.320 what was that whole process like for you? 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.840 It was very nerve wracking. I've been watching the season 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.680 in Melbourne at the Osbourne and I've been watching with 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.720 everyone around me, and I only watched the first episode 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.600 by myself first. I had that luxury with timings and 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.720 stuff for the doing parties, but for this one, especially 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.200 having all my friends, families and colleagues around me and 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:57.240 peers was magical. We sat next to Gabriela, who's an incredible, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.960 incredible queen, and to have her support during that moment 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:04.000 was just heartfelt, untouching. I will churish it forever. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.360 I just want to know what happens when you win? 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.840 What did Friday night look like? What did the weekend 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.080 look like? Am I a crazy person? Just for wanting 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.160 to know how you celebrated this? Well? 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.440 We celebrated just after. We had a few drinks, did 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.919 some interviews, had photos, just celebrated to the win in 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.520 the moment, you know, hugged my family and friends and 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.320 just reveled in the revel in the wind. And then 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:26.920 I got out of drag and then went and had 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:31.000 a burrito. Still into each this Italian lady, she needs 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.840 to man ja. So we did that and had a 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.760 little dinner and then I went out for another little 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.200 drink afterwards and just relaxed, just because being on tour 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.280 is such a such a strenuous process. Are you going 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.000 from city to city and performing and packing up, packing down, 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:51.000 maneuvering planes, as Lady Gaga says, bus plane, another bus club, 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.599 another club, gig. Just it's incredible. So to have sort 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.160 of a moment of stillness and just to reflect was perfect. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.440 You know, it's interesting you were saying before or about 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.760 these other queens that you were up against and the 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.000 people you expect to do well in a competition like 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.719 Rupouls Drag Race. What are your thoughts on you know, 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.679 what it's like to be a queen on the scene 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.400 of Australia versus the ability to take on this competition. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.040 Are they two different things? I mean, just because you're 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:18.800 a good queen on the scene and everyone loves you, 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.719 does that mean that you're going to win RuPauls. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.120 I do think that Rupuls Drag Race is a for 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.360 Repulse Drag Race. You definitely need a wide set of skills. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.680 You can't really be a master of one skill and 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.840 think you're going to be a winner. It's not that 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.160 kind of race. Unfortunately in Australia. I think a lot 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.680 of the big city queens have all of those skills 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.039 sort of drilled into you if you're coming up through 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.599 the scene. A lot of us do production shows. A 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.200 lot of us do you know, produce our own shows 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.159 as well, which within just those two sort of skill 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.080 sets are a lot of other minor skills that will 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.440 give you longevity and the skills to win drag race. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.440 Speaking from my point of view in Melbourne, I've been 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.520 working for ten years now in the drag scene. I 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.159 already knew sewing, I did that at university and then 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.559 learning how to do make up over the past ten years, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.880 or my makeup and working with production shows, working in teams, 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.320 working as a solo artist, working you know, hosting is 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.560 a big one, you know, learning how to work a crowd. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.919 Developing all those skills takes time and of course you 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.080 have to have the talent there as well to do it. 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:25.520 It's not easy to win drag race, as a lot 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.840 of people will attest to who have won. But if 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.480 you go in there hard on your sleeve and the 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.839 belief that you've you've got this in the bag, you're 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.760 halfway there. The rest is your talent and skill. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.160 I was watching you this season and I thought that 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.479 you had such grace, you were so humble, and you 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.800 had all of these qualities that made you very airy 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.280 to me. I just really enjoyed watching you, but I 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.960 was curious to see how you felt watching yourself back 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.400 on the show. Did you enjoy watching yourself and is 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.920 that how you felt and how you wanted to come across. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.880 I did enjoy watching myself. I went to the competition 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.400 and making sure that I was being as genuine as possible. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.200 It's not always possible, but to be myself, and you know, 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.760 react to things how I would normally react to them, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.400 and so I'm very pleased with how I came across. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.880 It's anything that I said on the season, whether you 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:14.680 know they have left it in the edit or taken 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.440 it out, I knew came from a place of love 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.720 and my own knowledge sort of things. So I was 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.280 pretty content even before hand, being like, whatever they have 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.880 to put on there, I'm cool with. So I'm I'm 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.560 very pleased with how it's presented. But I knew that 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:28.560 I was going to be good anyway. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.840 So who was your strongest competition? And we take you 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.080 back to the start when you first are there on 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.880 episode one and you're sizing up all the other queens, Like, 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.360 who did you think was going to be your toughest competition? 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:45.640 Great question, I was. I was definitely thinking Hollywood, with 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:52.240 her experience in theater and all of her performance talents, 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:53.960 was going to be a very strong competter. And she 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.720 proved that. And I also think Flaw with her personality 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.960 and her paint arm. She's so beautiful. Yeah, I knew 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.960 that Gabs was going to be a crazy one and 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.000 that I think that a lot of people would respond 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.800 well to her, and they have, and I'm so happy 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.480 for her. She is an incredibly talented girl, and that 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.000 point of difference that she has with her own sort 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.880 of just quirky mind is just a star quality and 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.200 something to behold that's just incredible. So it's no wonder 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:23.920 that we all made Top four, and I knew the 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.760 bumper was going to be fierce competition. She's had a 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.120 wealth of knowledge and experience that's incredible. I thought, I'm 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.679 always going to do incredibly. I hope she's in All Stars. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.960 She better be in All Stars because otherwise I'm going 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:33.920 to turn. I'm going to turn. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:35.680 Well, that's a good question. Do you think that you 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.360 and Spanky and kid Amaine should come back and being 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.600 in All Stars. Considering that you've won, do you think 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.600 you should be included if they do in All Stars 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.120 or are you happy to take the win and see 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:47.160 who else can take it now? 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.719 Look, I would never say no to another opportunity to 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.960 go on Drag Race. It's my favorite TV show. I 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.560 am you know, I'm already I was honored being a 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.760 part of it and lucky to be a part of 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.880 it already. To go onto it again would be an 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.920 incredible experience going to say no that at all. Having 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.440 said that, give me a minute, I'm going to I'm 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:05.760 going to take it. I'm going to take a year 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.360 at least to enjoy what I've achieved so far, and 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.640 then we'll see what the future holds. But I do think, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.200 especially for like the girls who went out and home early, 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.520 they didn't get a chance to show who they are enough. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.520 It takes a couple episodes to really get to know 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.280 a character on television, and these girls just they need, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.320 they need this exposure because they're so talented. So I 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.720 would I would say give them the give them the 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.040 go first, especially on All Stars. If you've got an 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.840 All Stars All Winner season girls We're here, or maybe 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.800 even a versus the world. That would be incredible to 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:36.720 be able to be able to do, because then you've 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.040 got sort of a very high caliber of drag sort 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.319 of going into it. But otherwise, for an All Stars, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.920 you really want to see personalities you didn't get to 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.440 see enough of one. 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.760 Chance and circumstances what I always say, and if you 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.400 actually look at the American version some of the other 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.640 versions around the world, every first episode of Rubehoul's you 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.040 can see that it's quite loud at everyone's trying to 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.960 find their place. It's always for me. I almost feel 0:09:59.960 --> 0:10:01.120 that this is a very bad thing to say, and 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.240 I'm sure Amial will kill me, but I almost feel 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.480 like I could do with that. The watching the first 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.280 episode of every series. I think that's a weird thing 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:11.680 to say, but it's so stressful because I'm like watching everyone. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.120 I was so stressed for Ammial when Ammil went home, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:15.640 you know what I mean, Like, I feel like I 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.720 just want to turn up mid slumber party. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.440 Yeah, well, it's the first episode. Is where you actually 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.200 sort of is where you find you're finding your feet 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.400 in that first episode. You don't know it's a new environment, 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.439 it's a new experience. You're learning things for the first time, 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.079 and how I think operates behind camera on camera, it's 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.520 it's a whirlwind. So I've always said that first episode 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.880 should be a non elimination episode. So you find your feet, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.480 you're all good will, you learn who everyone is, and 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.880 you get to have a wonderful time and just sort 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:45.839 of relax into it just a little bit. And so 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.200 in that way, the second episode you're sort of poised 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.439 and ready to sort of take the competition on from 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.040 a really good place. That's not how it works. Unfortunately, 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.520 hopefully we get ammal for season one of All Stars 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:57.120 of down Under. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:58.800 You have to be really humble, I guess in this. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.200 But when it came to that finale, do you think 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.480 that producers had their work cut out for them to 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.839 make the finale a little bit more tense than it 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:06.320 really was. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.400 No, I don't think so. I think up until the 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.679 last episode is sort of like, you win as much 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:14.680 as you can and that's great, and the last episode 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.800 is where you prove yourself. It's sort of like a 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.560 clean slate almost. It's your last chance to be like no, no, 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.560 I'm in the Superstar and both Flaw and Gabriella did 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.839 an amazing job at that. I mean, it's probably one 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.160 of the best episodes of franchise. Just the way that 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.440 it was edited is beautiful, and all our stories and 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.839 of course a challenge which is just top notch in 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.920 my eyes, a little bit biased, I know, but you're aloud. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.160 I've been while I had three wins under my belt 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:45.280 going into it. Flow her personality and her vivaciousness is 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.520 just infectious, and so she could have taken the crown. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.600 And then Gabriella, with her quirkiness and her lovable Alarican 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.000 persona and just her story and her growth through this 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.280 season was also another incredible reason to take the crown. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.439 It was a hard one and going into the finale, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.000 I was, oh, you know, while I did have the 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.280 three wins, you don't know for sure. You never know 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.080 for sure, you don't know what's going through Ru's head, 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.480 and you're on a counter egs before they've hatched. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.600 There seemed to be a lot less drama this year 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.240 than Series one and Series two. And when I say that, 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.520 not that we saw that much, but we did hear 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.400 a lot about the production of the show, and that 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.400 there was a bit of drama behind the scenes. You know. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.640 All the feedback was that you guys were getting along. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.400 Do you think that they chose you to be like 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.360 that so that we could have a softer season. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.440 Well, good question. I don't think so. I think they were. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.760 I think I chose them an amazing cast that would 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.320 bring a really high caliber of drag and a fun 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.200 caliber of drag. You know, you don't know when you 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.760 get put into a fresher cooker, a situation that is 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.080 drag race, that's going to bring out the best and 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.640 worst in people. And I think that just this season, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.160 we were able to do our best and be the 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.839 best and that we supported each other. Not only is 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.480 the cast, but also the crew was very supportive as well. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.319 I think that maybe production did hear speed back or 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.760 get feedback from past few seasons, and they've applied that feedback. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.600 It's the cast was very loving and we went in 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.680 being very loving and supportive of each other because we 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.960 all know that it's a really hard slog and that 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:13.960 they're not gonna they're not gonna go easy on us 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.200 with the challenges. They're going to test us. Not called 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:17.400 a challenge for a reason. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.160 So yeah, the series wasn't without its talking points. I 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:22.800 mean I was talking to a lot of queens that 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.920 are international and they were all watching it. I don't 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.160 know how they were watching it, but they were all 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.079 watching it and talking about it. And we had the 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.040 Kylie Runway, the choices for the lip sync around the world. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.560 People were like, what are these songs? Who were picking these? 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:36.959 And then also the fainting. So, I mean there was 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.920 a pretty big season when you look at some of 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.000 those big headlines. For you, what was the fans coming 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.240 up and asking you because you're walking the streets, what 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.960 were people wanting to know from you? The most great question? 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.160 I do think that the Kylie Runway was quite a 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.080 hitting point. A lot of people were sort of like, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.400 why weren't they They just said, why were the more Kylies? 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.560 And it's just sort of how the cookie crumbles. Production 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.719 don't control the situation much because then it's going to 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.040 be it's going to be inorganic. You want some drama, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.080 you want some head to head situations. And while we 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.679 could have been done without having two double ups on 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:10.760 the Kylie rue Way. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:12.640 Well there were almost three double ups. 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.480 Well, yes, there was almost three. We did have Ivana 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:17.760 who was also a green Fairy. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.320 Why the Green Fairy, I mean your Green Fairy. I 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.400 saw it in the flesh and it was phenomenal. I 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.560 mean it did look the best green fairy out of 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.280 the ones we got to see. We even got to 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.680 see Havana's both thing. She put it online. But you know, 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.440 when I saw it in the flesh, I just thought 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.920 you looked magnificent. But just why the green Fairies. It's 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.320 not even a big Kylie moment. She was dropped into 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.480 Mullen Rouge at the very last minute of that movie. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.960 It wasn't even in the script, like the movie had 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.240 been finished by the time they put her in. So 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.560 it was interesting that that would be a Kylie that 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:48.400 people would choose. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.240 Well, yes see, I suppose what you don't want to 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.600 do is have an obvious Kylie because you think that 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.040 someone else can to do that as well, like a 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:59.280 spinning around Kylie or you know, slow Kylie. You might 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.800 find it know someone else can do because they're easier 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.000 looks to do. For me, doing the Green Fairy was 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.760 very important. It was basically I had two options for 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.200 Kylie was Green Fairy and a Mooglaire copy that her 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.800 mum made for her for one of her first Australian tours, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.640 and I went with a green Fairy because every year, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.600 every day through you know, year ten or nine or something, 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.320 I would watch Mulan Rouge after school. So it's very 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.280 sentimental to me to sort of bring an element of 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.640 my childhood into it and sort of re reenact that. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.680 So it's also sort of more of a niche Kylie 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.200 reference than not everyone would know or you know, go 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.920 for but I don't know why. But also Flaw and 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.320 also Ivana also chose them. I'm not sure of their 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:40.240 reasonings exactly. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.720 They bring home after school as well to watch it. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.440 For me, it was a sentimental choice and I've seen 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.400 many a girl do the Blue show Girl or the 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.840 peach show girl look, so to recreate that on the 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.840 one where I was like, ah, that's all, let's do something, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.560 try and do something new, and I'd already done a 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.320 Red show Girl, so you know, you want to try 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.280 and chose some diversity. So reason so many and diverse, 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.760 but you know, it did make for some cam TV 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:05.880 and sometimes you don't want to compare girls to girls, 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.560 but in this season we've got to do that. A 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.680 couple of times, which made it for an interesting television I've. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.200 Heard from other people that you know, sometimes producers will 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:14.520 see that there's going to be a double up of 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.640 outfits and actually appreciate that because that can create some 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.920 tension between your queens, you know what I mean. Like 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.200 that means that we have a rivalry, we have a comparison, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.600 and I'm here for that. I wanted to ask, I 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.520 ask you about Queen Kong and Spanky, who got to 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.560 be in the final episode with you. What was that 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.520 like working with them? I mean, did you get the 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.760 feeling that these queens have star power? 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.360 And I did recognize their star power. Both of them 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.840 are juggernauts of dragon Estrailed down Under. We've seen the 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.520 medioic rise of Queen Kong and all of her talents 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.960 and being nominated for a Loki. It's just she's incredible 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:55.760 and Spanky, her vibrancy and her personality, in her electricity 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.440 that she has. It's just a spark that comes from her, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.400 you know, and to come from a small and she lived. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.280 I knew her from her Melbourne days and she's the 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:08.800 same bright spark that has just illuminated the drag scene. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.080 So to work with them at the end in that 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.120 final episode. It's incredible. I loved it. I loved it. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.000 We were stars up there on that stage, and I'm 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.159 glad we get that platform to show the world what 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:19.200 dan Under has to offer. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.080 Yeah, I can't wait to see what you do next. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.280 You know, before we go the series is being made 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.480 all around the world. Has a very watertight format, but 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.080 now more than ever, people seem to be online talking 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.960 about whether the format should be mixed up a little bit. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.600 I don't necessarily want to bury you with a comment 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.719 on this, but I do think it would be interesting 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.359 to know, surviving a whole series of this show and 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.040 seeing how it all works, is there anything about this 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.760 format that you think would work better in showcasing Queen's 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.080