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Speaker 1: I'm joined by the winner of RuPaul's Drag Race down
Speaker 1: Under season three. It is the Fabulous isis Avis Lorenz.
Speaker 1: The Melbourne based drag queen has been dragging it up
Speaker 1: for over a decade with hosting, lip syncing and over
Speaker 1: fifteen years experience in sewing and Designing. To say that
Speaker 1: Avers brought a polished performance is simply an understatement from
Speaker 1: help the other Queen's her Donna Tulliversaci in the Snatch
Speaker 1: Game and a Kylie Green fairy that actually worked. Ice
Speaker 1: has walked away with a crown and possibly the only
Speaker 1: negative thing I could say about the series is that
Speaker 1: we kind of knew who the winner was when the
Speaker 1: series first started. I will find out how Avers celebrated
Speaker 1: the win and who was sitting right beside her that
Speaker 1: made the night so special. Avis will unpack the highs
Speaker 1: and lows from the series and talk about the most
Speaker 1: common questions that she gets asked by you, guys, the fans.
Speaker 1: You will get an exclusive reveal on miss Congeniality in
Speaker 1: the eyes of this year's winner, and we will talk
Speaker 1: about All Stars and if the winners should return if
Speaker 1: Down Under it doesn't All Stars for series four. Plus
Speaker 1: we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of RuPaul's Drag Race down Under, which is now available
Speaker 1: to watch on STAN Australia. If you've fallen just that
Speaker 1: little bit behind anyway, let's bring ices into the podcast
Speaker 1: and guys, I hope you enjoy this very special look
Speaker 1: at RuPaul's Drag Race season finale for twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Even though you can kind of hear that I have
Speaker 1: a bit of a coult. Anyway, guys, anyway, guys, let's
Speaker 1: bring Isis into the podcast. So how are you anyway?
Speaker 1: How have you been surviving the week?
Speaker 2: Great? Thank you so much. It's been a crazy week.
Speaker 2: On top of winning, we're also on tour, which is
Speaker 2: just already chaotic. It's been incredible, incredible.
Speaker 1: Well, the kind of felt like the competition was yours
Speaker 1: to lose from the start. I mean, everyone I spoke
Speaker 1: to was like, isis has got this in the bag?
Speaker 1: I wanted to know, could you feel that fan favoritism
Speaker 1: coming in throughout your time on the show.
Speaker 2: I could feel the love. I'm not sure if I
Speaker 2: was a fan favorite. And there's so many wonderful girls
Speaker 2: this season. Polly gabs floor bumper, just there wonderful personalities.
Speaker 2: All the girls are very wonderful personalities, and like, going
Speaker 2: into it, I thought I'm Al was going to have
Speaker 2: an amazing ride because she just her personality is incredible.
Speaker 2: I love her to pieces. So while I had a
Speaker 2: good run and I was sort of maybe front runner,
Speaker 2: if you will in people's minds. I was under no
Speaker 2: illusion that you never know what's going to happen in
Speaker 2: drag Race and tests ever we want. It takes all
Speaker 2: different kinds of people to win. I'm just stoked that
Speaker 2: I'm the one. You came out on top of the end.
Speaker 1: Well. I saw you with the Mullen Rooge premiere and
Speaker 1: you addressed as the Green Fairy, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I think you're going to win, and you went, well, hopefully.
Speaker 1: I don't think you knew at that point.
Speaker 2: No, we had no idea, still a few episodes to go.
Speaker 2: I think we were about the halfway point by then,
Speaker 2: and you just don't know what You just don't know
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. You don't know how they're going
Speaker 2: to edit it. I don't know what they want you to,
Speaker 2: how they're going to be I was just thrilled to
Speaker 2: be a part of the process.
Speaker 1: How did you find out? So I believe that you
Speaker 1: got to watch it in a screening, which is basically
Speaker 1: the same time as the rest of Australia was watching it, Like,
Speaker 1: what was that whole process like for you?
Speaker 2: It was very nerve wracking. I've been watching the season
Speaker 2: in Melbourne at the Osbourne and I've been watching with
Speaker 2: everyone around me, and I only watched the first episode
Speaker 2: by myself first. I had that luxury with timings and
Speaker 2: stuff for the doing parties, but for this one, especially
Speaker 2: having all my friends, families and colleagues around me and
Speaker 2: peers was magical. We sat next to Gabriela, who's an incredible,
Speaker 2: incredible queen, and to have her support during that moment
Speaker 2: was just heartfelt, untouching. I will churish it forever.
Speaker 1: I just want to know what happens when you win?
Speaker 1: What did Friday night look like? What did the weekend
Speaker 1: look like? Am I a crazy person? Just for wanting
Speaker 1: to know how you celebrated this? Well?
Speaker 2: We celebrated just after. We had a few drinks, did
Speaker 2: some interviews, had photos, just celebrated to the win in
Speaker 2: the moment, you know, hugged my family and friends and
Speaker 2: just reveled in the revel in the wind. And then
Speaker 2: I got out of drag and then went and had
Speaker 2: a burrito. Still into each this Italian lady, she needs
Speaker 2: to man ja. So we did that and had a
Speaker 2: little dinner and then I went out for another little
Speaker 2: drink afterwards and just relaxed, just because being on tour
Speaker 2: is such a such a strenuous process. Are you going
Speaker 2: from city to city and performing and packing up, packing down,
Speaker 2: maneuvering planes, as Lady Gaga says, bus plane, another bus club,
Speaker 2: another club, gig. Just it's incredible. So to have sort
Speaker 2: of a moment of stillness and just to reflect was perfect.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting you were saying before or about
Speaker 1: these other queens that you were up against and the
Speaker 1: people you expect to do well in a competition like
Speaker 1: Rupouls Drag Race. What are your thoughts on you know,
Speaker 1: what it's like to be a queen on the scene
Speaker 1: of Australia versus the ability to take on this competition.
Speaker 1: Are they two different things? I mean, just because you're
Speaker 1: a good queen on the scene and everyone loves you,
Speaker 1: does that mean that you're going to win RuPauls.
Speaker 2: I do think that Rupuls Drag Race is a for
Speaker 2: Repulse Drag Race. You definitely need a wide set of skills.
Speaker 2: You can't really be a master of one skill and
Speaker 2: think you're going to be a winner. It's not that
Speaker 2: kind of race. Unfortunately in Australia. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of the big city queens have all of those skills
Speaker 2: sort of drilled into you if you're coming up through
Speaker 2: the scene. A lot of us do production shows. A
Speaker 2: lot of us do you know, produce our own shows
Speaker 2: as well, which within just those two sort of skill
Speaker 2: sets are a lot of other minor skills that will
Speaker 2: give you longevity and the skills to win drag race.
Speaker 2: Speaking from my point of view in Melbourne, I've been
Speaker 2: working for ten years now in the drag scene. I
Speaker 2: already knew sewing, I did that at university and then
Speaker 2: learning how to do make up over the past ten years,
Speaker 2: or my makeup and working with production shows, working in teams,
Speaker 2: working as a solo artist, working you know, hosting is
Speaker 2: a big one, you know, learning how to work a crowd.
Speaker 2: Developing all those skills takes time and of course you
Speaker 2: have to have the talent there as well to do it.
Speaker 2: It's not easy to win drag race, as a lot
Speaker 2: of people will attest to who have won. But if
Speaker 2: you go in there hard on your sleeve and the
Speaker 2: belief that you've you've got this in the bag, you're
Speaker 2: halfway there. The rest is your talent and skill.
Speaker 1: I was watching you this season and I thought that
Speaker 1: you had such grace, you were so humble, and you
Speaker 1: had all of these qualities that made you very airy
Speaker 1: to me. I just really enjoyed watching you, but I
Speaker 1: was curious to see how you felt watching yourself back
Speaker 1: on the show. Did you enjoy watching yourself and is
Speaker 1: that how you felt and how you wanted to come across.
Speaker 2: I did enjoy watching myself. I went to the competition
Speaker 2: and making sure that I was being as genuine as possible.
Speaker 2: It's not always possible, but to be myself, and you know,
Speaker 2: react to things how I would normally react to them,
Speaker 2: and so I'm very pleased with how I came across.
Speaker 2: It's anything that I said on the season, whether you
Speaker 2: know they have left it in the edit or taken
Speaker 2: it out, I knew came from a place of love
Speaker 2: and my own knowledge sort of things. So I was
Speaker 2: pretty content even before hand, being like, whatever they have
Speaker 2: to put on there, I'm cool with. So I'm I'm
Speaker 2: very pleased with how it's presented. But I knew that
Speaker 2: I was going to be good anyway.
Speaker 1: So who was your strongest competition? And we take you
Speaker 1: back to the start when you first are there on
Speaker 1: episode one and you're sizing up all the other queens, Like,
Speaker 1: who did you think was going to be your toughest competition?
Speaker 2: Great question, I was. I was definitely thinking Hollywood, with
Speaker 2: her experience in theater and all of her performance talents,
Speaker 2: was going to be a very strong competter. And she
Speaker 2: proved that. And I also think Flaw with her personality
Speaker 2: and her paint arm. She's so beautiful. Yeah, I knew
Speaker 2: that Gabs was going to be a crazy one and
Speaker 2: that I think that a lot of people would respond
Speaker 2: well to her, and they have, and I'm so happy
Speaker 2: for her. She is an incredibly talented girl, and that
Speaker 2: point of difference that she has with her own sort
Speaker 2: of just quirky mind is just a star quality and
Speaker 2: something to behold that's just incredible. So it's no wonder
Speaker 2: that we all made Top four, and I knew the
Speaker 2: bumper was going to be fierce competition. She's had a
Speaker 2: wealth of knowledge and experience that's incredible. I thought, I'm
Speaker 2: always going to do incredibly. I hope she's in All Stars.
Speaker 2: She better be in All Stars because otherwise I'm going
Speaker 2: to turn. I'm going to turn.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. Do you think that you
Speaker 1: and Spanky and kid Amaine should come back and being
Speaker 1: in All Stars. Considering that you've won, do you think
Speaker 1: you should be included if they do in All Stars
Speaker 1: or are you happy to take the win and see
Speaker 1: who else can take it now?
Speaker 2: Look, I would never say no to another opportunity to
Speaker 2: go on Drag Race. It's my favorite TV show. I
Speaker 2: am you know, I'm already I was honored being a
Speaker 2: part of it and lucky to be a part of
Speaker 2: it already. To go onto it again would be an
Speaker 2: incredible experience going to say no that at all. Having
Speaker 2: said that, give me a minute, I'm going to I'm
Speaker 2: going to take it. I'm going to take a year
Speaker 2: at least to enjoy what I've achieved so far, and
Speaker 2: then we'll see what the future holds. But I do think,
Speaker 2: especially for like the girls who went out and home early,
Speaker 2: they didn't get a chance to show who they are enough.
Speaker 2: It takes a couple episodes to really get to know
Speaker 2: a character on television, and these girls just they need,
Speaker 2: they need this exposure because they're so talented. So I
Speaker 2: would I would say give them the give them the
Speaker 2: go first, especially on All Stars. If you've got an
Speaker 2: All Stars All Winner season girls We're here, or maybe
Speaker 2: even a versus the world. That would be incredible to
Speaker 2: be able to be able to do, because then you've
Speaker 2: got sort of a very high caliber of drag sort
Speaker 2: of going into it. But otherwise, for an All Stars,
Speaker 2: you really want to see personalities you didn't get to
Speaker 2: see enough of one.
Speaker 1: Chance and circumstances what I always say, and if you
Speaker 1: actually look at the American version some of the other
Speaker 1: versions around the world, every first episode of Rubehoul's you
Speaker 1: can see that it's quite loud at everyone's trying to
Speaker 1: find their place. It's always for me. I almost feel
Speaker 1: that this is a very bad thing to say, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure Amial will kill me, but I almost feel
Speaker 1: like I could do with that. The watching the first
Speaker 1: episode of every series. I think that's a weird thing
Speaker 1: to say, but it's so stressful because I'm like watching everyone.
Speaker 1: I was so stressed for Ammial when Ammil went home,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I feel like I
Speaker 1: just want to turn up mid slumber party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's the first episode. Is where you actually
Speaker 2: sort of is where you find you're finding your feet
Speaker 2: in that first episode. You don't know it's a new environment,
Speaker 2: it's a new experience. You're learning things for the first time,
Speaker 2: and how I think operates behind camera on camera, it's
Speaker 2: it's a whirlwind. So I've always said that first episode
Speaker 2: should be a non elimination episode. So you find your feet,
Speaker 2: you're all good will, you learn who everyone is, and
Speaker 2: you get to have a wonderful time and just sort
Speaker 2: of relax into it just a little bit. And so
Speaker 2: in that way, the second episode you're sort of poised
Speaker 2: and ready to sort of take the competition on from
Speaker 2: a really good place. That's not how it works. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: hopefully we get ammal for season one of All Stars
Speaker 2: of down Under.
Speaker 1: You have to be really humble, I guess in this.
Speaker 1: But when it came to that finale, do you think
Speaker 1: that producers had their work cut out for them to
Speaker 1: make the finale a little bit more tense than it
Speaker 1: really was.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I think up until the
Speaker 2: last episode is sort of like, you win as much
Speaker 2: as you can and that's great, and the last episode
Speaker 2: is where you prove yourself. It's sort of like a
Speaker 2: clean slate almost. It's your last chance to be like no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm in the Superstar and both Flaw and Gabriella did
Speaker 2: an amazing job at that. I mean, it's probably one
Speaker 2: of the best episodes of franchise. Just the way that
Speaker 2: it was edited is beautiful, and all our stories and
Speaker 2: of course a challenge which is just top notch in
Speaker 2: my eyes, a little bit biased, I know, but you're aloud.
Speaker 2: I've been while I had three wins under my belt
Speaker 2: going into it. Flow her personality and her vivaciousness is
Speaker 2: just infectious, and so she could have taken the crown.
Speaker 2: And then Gabriella, with her quirkiness and her lovable Alarican
Speaker 2: persona and just her story and her growth through this
Speaker 2: season was also another incredible reason to take the crown.
Speaker 2: It was a hard one and going into the finale,
Speaker 2: I was, oh, you know, while I did have the
Speaker 2: three wins, you don't know for sure. You never know
Speaker 2: for sure, you don't know what's going through Ru's head,
Speaker 2: and you're on a counter egs before they've hatched.
Speaker 1: There seemed to be a lot less drama this year
Speaker 1: than Series one and Series two. And when I say that,
Speaker 1: not that we saw that much, but we did hear
Speaker 1: a lot about the production of the show, and that
Speaker 1: there was a bit of drama behind the scenes. You know.
Speaker 1: All the feedback was that you guys were getting along.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they chose you to be like
Speaker 1: that so that we could have a softer season.
Speaker 2: Well, good question. I don't think so. I think they were.
Speaker 2: I think I chose them an amazing cast that would
Speaker 2: bring a really high caliber of drag and a fun
Speaker 2: caliber of drag. You know, you don't know when you
Speaker 2: get put into a fresher cooker, a situation that is
Speaker 2: drag race, that's going to bring out the best and
Speaker 2: worst in people. And I think that just this season,
Speaker 2: we were able to do our best and be the
Speaker 2: best and that we supported each other. Not only is
Speaker 2: the cast, but also the crew was very supportive as well.
Speaker 2: I think that maybe production did hear speed back or
Speaker 2: get feedback from past few seasons, and they've applied that feedback.
Speaker 2: It's the cast was very loving and we went in
Speaker 2: being very loving and supportive of each other because we
Speaker 2: all know that it's a really hard slog and that
Speaker 2: they're not gonna they're not gonna go easy on us
Speaker 2: with the challenges. They're going to test us. Not called
Speaker 2: a challenge for a reason.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the series wasn't without its talking points. I
Speaker 1: mean I was talking to a lot of queens that
Speaker 1: are international and they were all watching it. I don't
Speaker 1: know how they were watching it, but they were all
Speaker 1: watching it and talking about it. And we had the
Speaker 1: Kylie Runway, the choices for the lip sync around the world.
Speaker 1: People were like, what are these songs? Who were picking these?
Speaker 1: And then also the fainting. So, I mean there was
Speaker 1: a pretty big season when you look at some of
Speaker 1: those big headlines. For you, what was the fans coming
Speaker 1: up and asking you because you're walking the streets, what
Speaker 1: were people wanting to know from you? The most great question?
Speaker 2: I do think that the Kylie Runway was quite a
Speaker 2: hitting point. A lot of people were sort of like,
Speaker 2: why weren't they They just said, why were the more Kylies?
Speaker 2: And it's just sort of how the cookie crumbles. Production
Speaker 2: don't control the situation much because then it's going to
Speaker 2: be it's going to be inorganic. You want some drama,
Speaker 2: you want some head to head situations. And while we
Speaker 2: could have been done without having two double ups on
Speaker 2: the Kylie rue Way.
Speaker 1: Well there were almost three double ups.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, there was almost three. We did have Ivana
Speaker 2: who was also a green Fairy.
Speaker 1: Why the Green Fairy, I mean your Green Fairy. I
Speaker 1: saw it in the flesh and it was phenomenal. I
Speaker 1: mean it did look the best green fairy out of
Speaker 1: the ones we got to see. We even got to
Speaker 1: see Havana's both thing. She put it online. But you know,
Speaker 1: when I saw it in the flesh, I just thought
Speaker 1: you looked magnificent. But just why the green Fairies. It's
Speaker 1: not even a big Kylie moment. She was dropped into
Speaker 1: Mullen Rouge at the very last minute of that movie.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even in the script, like the movie had
Speaker 1: been finished by the time they put her in. So
Speaker 1: it was interesting that that would be a Kylie that
Speaker 1: people would choose.
Speaker 2: Well, yes see, I suppose what you don't want to
Speaker 2: do is have an obvious Kylie because you think that
Speaker 2: someone else can to do that as well, like a
Speaker 2: spinning around Kylie or you know, slow Kylie. You might
Speaker 2: find it know someone else can do because they're easier
Speaker 2: looks to do. For me, doing the Green Fairy was
Speaker 2: very important. It was basically I had two options for
Speaker 2: Kylie was Green Fairy and a Mooglaire copy that her
Speaker 2: mum made for her for one of her first Australian tours,
Speaker 2: and I went with a green Fairy because every year,
Speaker 2: every day through you know, year ten or nine or something,
Speaker 2: I would watch Mulan Rouge after school. So it's very
Speaker 2: sentimental to me to sort of bring an element of
Speaker 2: my childhood into it and sort of re reenact that.
Speaker 2: So it's also sort of more of a niche Kylie
Speaker 2: reference than not everyone would know or you know, go
Speaker 2: for but I don't know why. But also Flaw and
Speaker 2: also Ivana also chose them. I'm not sure of their
Speaker 2: reasonings exactly.
Speaker 1: They bring home after school as well to watch it.
Speaker 2: For me, it was a sentimental choice and I've seen
Speaker 2: many a girl do the Blue show Girl or the
Speaker 2: peach show girl look, so to recreate that on the
Speaker 2: one where I was like, ah, that's all, let's do something,
Speaker 2: try and do something new, and I'd already done a
Speaker 2: Red show Girl, so you know, you want to try
Speaker 2: and chose some diversity. So reason so many and diverse,
Speaker 2: but you know, it did make for some cam TV
Speaker 2: and sometimes you don't want to compare girls to girls,
Speaker 2: but in this season we've got to do that. A
Speaker 2: couple of times, which made it for an interesting television I've.
Speaker 1: Heard from other people that you know, sometimes producers will
Speaker 1: see that there's going to be a double up of
Speaker 1: outfits and actually appreciate that because that can create some
Speaker 1: tension between your queens, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: that means that we have a rivalry, we have a comparison,
Speaker 1: and I'm here for that. I wanted to ask, I
Speaker 1: ask you about Queen Kong and Spanky, who got to
Speaker 1: be in the final episode with you. What was that
Speaker 1: like working with them? I mean, did you get the
Speaker 1: feeling that these queens have star power?
Speaker 2: And I did recognize their star power. Both of them
Speaker 2: are juggernauts of dragon Estrailed down Under. We've seen the
Speaker 2: medioic rise of Queen Kong and all of her talents
Speaker 2: and being nominated for a Loki. It's just she's incredible
Speaker 2: and Spanky, her vibrancy and her personality, in her electricity
Speaker 2: that she has. It's just a spark that comes from her,
Speaker 2: you know, and to come from a small and she lived.
Speaker 2: I knew her from her Melbourne days and she's the
Speaker 2: same bright spark that has just illuminated the drag scene.
Speaker 2: So to work with them at the end in that
Speaker 2: final episode. It's incredible. I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 2: We were stars up there on that stage, and I'm
Speaker 2: glad we get that platform to show the world what
Speaker 2: dan Under has to offer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to see what you do next.
Speaker 1: You know, before we go the series is being made
Speaker 1: all around the world. Has a very watertight format, but
Speaker 1: now more than ever, people seem to be online talking
Speaker 1: about whether the format should be mixed up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to bury you with a comment
Speaker 1: on this, but I do think it would be interesting
Speaker 1: to know, surviving a whole series of this show and
Speaker 1: seeing how it all works, is there anything about this
Speaker 1: format that you think would work better in showcasing Queen's
Speaker 1: on the show like this or make it more entertaining.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a great question. Why change something that's working
Speaker 2: is one sort of comment you could apply to it.
Speaker 2: But I do think that with the different variations, potentially
Speaker 2: making each variation a little more specialized to their region
Speaker 2: might make you know, a little more interesting for not
Speaker 2: only the home audiences, but it would also give a
Speaker 2: taste of what each little franchise in their own respected
Speaker 2: parts of the world can offer the world. You know
Speaker 2: down here, we could film something at Sydney Harbor or
Speaker 2: you know in Melbourne that is it's a little more
Speaker 2: at Landish or even the Cuisines or whatever that sort
Speaker 2: of you know, it really gives a taste of that
Speaker 2: part of the world that might be really awesome to
Speaker 2: put in there. But really the franchise itself is a
Speaker 2: mashup of America's Got Talent, Project Runway and Next Top Model,
Speaker 2: So it's already like a mashup of itself, a mashup.
Speaker 2: It's already almost like what it was a parody of
Speaker 2: of reality TV, and now it's its own juggernaut.
Speaker 1: So there's nothing bigger. There's that reality show at the
Speaker 1: moment in the world exactly this many franchises going into
Speaker 1: production around the world at the same time. It's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's insane.
Speaker 2: It's insane. Drag is taking over the world and I
Speaker 2: couldn't be more pleased.
Speaker 1: You have such a good place in that as well.
Speaker 1: I can see you going so far with it, I
Speaker 1: think extraordinary. One thing they hate about not getting this
Speaker 1: in our Australian series is the miss congeniality. I'm sure
Speaker 1: people have asked you this question whether you've been doing
Speaker 1: the media rounds, but can you help me out with this?
Speaker 1: I guess you are the winners, so you're the most
Speaker 1: entitled to hand over. Who was the Miss Congeniality of
Speaker 1: the series?
Speaker 2: Oh, oh gosh, that's a lot of power.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure. But if anyone can do it,
Speaker 1: it is you little me.
Speaker 2: I would probably, oh gosh, I would probably say Bumba.
Speaker 2: She was the most caring and loving of the season.
Speaker 2: She really sort of was there for a lot of
Speaker 2: the girls. Yeah, we can go with Bumba, Bumpa love
Speaker 2: Miss Congeniality.
Speaker 1: I'll take it, and I know that Bumper will as well,
Speaker 1: which is which is great. I've got friends that have
Speaker 1: done this franchise all around the world, and the one
Speaker 1: thing that they always say is, no matter what other
Speaker 1: shows they do, they still get asked this one question.
Speaker 1: What is it that RuPaul was able to teach you?
Speaker 2: RuPaul had been teaching me for the past ten years,
Speaker 2: teach all of us. She's a very wise, wise soul
Speaker 2: and that's come with you know, a lot of trial
Speaker 2: and tribulation and success walking the sort of the wholes
Speaker 2: of drag Race is an experience like none other. It's
Speaker 2: powerful to be able to go into my favorite TV
Speaker 2: show and feel at home. And I think that's what
Speaker 2: Rue has really given the world and given a lot
Speaker 2: of queer people. It's a atlet. It's a home away
Speaker 2: from home that we can we can dive into and
Speaker 2: escape too, because sometimes we have few parts of life
Speaker 2: that don't really fun. But Rue has really created this
Speaker 2: franchise and this.
Speaker 1: Space to play, I guess is a little thing about it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, a space to be ourselves throughout the whole world,
Speaker 2: and that is incredibly powerful. The shock waves that it's
Speaker 2: sent through society is undeniable and incalculable. So I think
Speaker 2: that's what she's brought. She's brought a safe place for
Speaker 2: many queer people around the world. And you know, she
Speaker 2: can't receive enough thanks for.
Speaker 1: That, so yeah, very quickly can It's the last question
Speaker 1: I ask everyone on the podcast. What is something from
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, something that people the fans didn't see
Speaker 1: that they would love to see, kind of like maybe
Speaker 1: a story of your time on the show, something that's
Speaker 1: silly that might have happened that wasn't shown.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh. In one of the early episodes, we were
Speaker 2: driving back to the hotel where we went down into
Speaker 2: the car park, but the van was too high and
Speaker 2: so above Gabriella and I a bit of the glass
Speaker 2: broke and fell onto us. And then in the final
Speaker 2: episode we performed to walking on broken Glass, so there
Speaker 2: was a huge, fullstopmer death of Gabs and I that
Speaker 2: were just like, what is the universe telling us? It
Speaker 2: was just incredible. So there's a little bit of a
Speaker 2: tidbit for you that it didn't make the edit. It's
Speaker 2: just ah incredible.
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, you were well deserved and I'm so lucky
Speaker 1: to be able to have spoken to you today and
Speaker 1: for you to be so generous with your time, and
Speaker 1: I'll be in your audience. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: what you do next.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for it, for having me. Ben