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Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges

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Speaker 1: where you, the listener of youer are tuning in from.

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Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders

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Speaker 2: We're all very supportive of each other.

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Speaker 1: There's no use seeing each other as competitors. We're actually

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Speaker 1: more powerful when we work together. We're a collective. It's

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Speaker 1: our culture, right, it's our society. Welcome to the Black

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Speaker 1: Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Bail. Hey you mob. I

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Speaker 1: am here with the deadly Elijah McDonald, who is actually

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Speaker 1: a game developer, and we have not had anyone that's

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Speaker 1: works for a company called GHAK and the project is

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Speaker 1: basically a game called Black Tasia. And I'm gonna leave

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Speaker 1: Elijah to tell you more about what has been up

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Speaker 1: to brother. Thank you for jumping on the podcast. Can

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Speaker 1: you let the listeners know who y are and where

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Speaker 1: your mob's from?

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Speaker 2: Hey? Yeah, my name's Elijah McDonald. I'm Nunga Yamagie on

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Speaker 2: my mother's side and Peter Peter Maawali and Karawali on

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Speaker 1: Too deadly And what brought you down here to Gaddigole

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I flew up from Melbourne today to have

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Speaker 2: Tasia Invasion of the Merk. It's Australia's first ever Aboriginal

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Speaker 2: So yeah, came up here and just yeah, spent the

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Speaker 2: MOB or MOB I'm one of the developers on that project.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to being a developer. How did you

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Speaker 2: Guck for this project Black Tasier. Yeah, and yeah, I

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Speaker 1: So Black Tasier. How did that name come about?

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Speaker 2: Well, for a good while we didn't have a name

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Speaker 2: So we're out in their country just camping. I know,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Tadley, So have you got a business? So

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Speaker 2: Not at all developers. Yeah, especially in Australia. Like like

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Speaker 2: The game, it's like a fantasy world kind of inspired

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And like yeah, majority of the teams all

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Speaker 2: whereas if a non Indigenous person like sure they could

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Speaker 1: Else is in this space? If you think about gaming?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And he's also sportive of each other because what's

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Speaker 2: That's how we are, you know.

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Speaker 2: We work together. We work together, share knowledge, you know

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Speaker 1: We're a collective. That's our culture, right, it's our society.

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Speaker 1: And I've never actually had anyone that's done gaming on

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Speaker 1: is there any other projects that you're working are? Like,

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Speaker 2: To be honest, at least with Guck and the Black

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Speaker 1: Gamification is massive, yeah, No, people are talking about even

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Speaker 1: think people that are listening might need someone like you

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Speaker 1: how do we gamify this kind of project or this

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Speaker 1: people that do listen to this podcast. Yeah, how like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what would you say to them if they were thinking

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Speaker 2: you can just get started on that, you know, just

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Speaker 2: start playing around, pick up some tools, like you can

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Speaker 1: Are you finding many young people company? You're still talking

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Speaker 1: Deadline, Well you mob. We will make sure that we

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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