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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken.

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Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but.

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Speaker 2: We often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can

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Speaker 2: get hated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment,

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Speaker 2: and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fat Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Now on Friday, So if you were dropping a lot

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Speaker 2: of hints about this upcoming appearance on the Today Show,

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Speaker 2: and a few listeners actually sent some screenshots into our

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Speaker 2: community about what you were on TV for.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to share with us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: This was so sweet.

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Speaker 2: I got out of Channel nine and I jumped on

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Speaker 2: Facebook and saw these photos popping up because I was

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Speaker 2: really paranoid that I looked like a dick on there

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Speaker 2: because I messaged you and I was like, did I

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Speaker 2: come across? Okay, Well hadn't even aired here, So I

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Speaker 2: found like the worst sister because people are sharing that

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Speaker 2: Sophie's on the Today Show with her dog Archie, and

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Speaker 2: I ran out of bed because I really wanted to.

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Speaker 1: See it live.

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Speaker 2: You guys haven't even explained what you were on there for. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I shared it in the group a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago. So basically, there was this dog scammer who

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Speaker 2: had stolen Archie's photos and put it on this really

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Speaker 2: elaborate fake breeder website, and he was dumb enough to

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Speaker 2: use a range of like other Insta famous dogs and

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Speaker 2: use their names. So I got this message from a

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Speaker 2: woman in the US and she was alerting me to

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Speaker 2: the fact that she thought she was purchasing Archie.

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Speaker 1: So basically it was a story.

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Speaker 2: About warning people about scammers and how to.

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Speaker 1: Look out for them.

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Speaker 2: The most hilarious thing was that they introduced Archie as

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Speaker 2: a kaboodle when he's a cocker Spaniel, and I could

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Speaker 2: tell that you just wanted to correct them. Well, I

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Speaker 2: kind of wanted to do like a sneaky drop of

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Speaker 2: his Instagram handle, but I didn't think that would be

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Speaker 2: received well, but it was. It was so off putting

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Speaker 2: because I was put in this really dark room on

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Speaker 2: my own and I wasn't told where to look at

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Speaker 2: the camera anything, and I could I could only hear

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Speaker 2: them in like a little what are they in an earpiece?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: The whole experience was very off put in.

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Speaker 2: Come on, say you this is not your first live cross,

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Speaker 2: maybe they assume because, as some of you might know,

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Speaker 2: we used to work as reporters and I think it

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Speaker 2: was how many years ago, about five years ago, we

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Speaker 2: were all in a live cross together after meeting Taylor Swift. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it was not my first rodeo, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I felt more comfortable having you guys next to me,

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Speaker 2: So it was a little bit scary on my own.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say Archie's face cracked me up. He

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Speaker 2: sat up just as they introduced you guys, and he

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Speaker 2: actually looked a little bit tired because it was quite

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Speaker 1: I was tired.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got a message at five forty saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: we've just brought the interview forward by twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Is that okay?

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Speaker 2: If you get here earlier, and you know in your

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Speaker 2: head when you're like, fuck off, that.

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Speaker 1: Is the worst.

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Speaker 2: When you've timed everything perfectly, like you're like, okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to straighten my hair and that's going to take

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Speaker 1: That would have really frazzled you. Oh, it definitely did.

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Speaker 2: And then also having to get Archie into the car

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Speaker 2: and behaving. I know now how mums feel. It was

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Speaker 2: very stressful. Well they say, don't work with children or animals,

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Speaker 2: and but you and Archie did a really good job.

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Speaker 2: I was very proud of you. But I was a

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Speaker 2: very proud stage mum up there. Look we couldn't all

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Speaker 2: be on TV today, though, could we? Because Kate was

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Speaker 2: keeping it real she was making hot cross buns in

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Speaker 1: Yes, I did have a very wholesome good Friday.

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Speaker 2: I've been really looking forward to making hot cross buns

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Speaker 2: in my new mix, and I felt very accomplished because

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Speaker 2: I brought them over to you guys, and you said

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Speaker 1: So they were better than so goose ones.

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Speaker 2: I paid them to say that, but I actually thought

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Speaker 2: they were so delicious. Yeah, they were so good. I

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Speaker 2: be Easter Monday. But shops won't have hot cross buns.

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Speaker 2: So if you're craving them, you can make them yourself.

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Speaker 2: And I saw on Instagram this afternoon, Amy, apparently you'd

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Speaker 2: done a thirty k bike ride.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that you owned a bike. No,

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Speaker 1: so Dale. It's Dale's mum's bike.

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Speaker 2: We borrowed it and he really wanted to go for

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Speaker 2: a bike ride, and I agree, thinking it would just

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Speaker 2: actually really, really fun. Mace was saying that he and

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Speaker 2: I should get bikes to ride around Coramandel Valley, but

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Speaker 2: I don't trust myself with the heels.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, Honestly, you should. It was so good.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't recommend riding for two and a half hours,

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Speaker 2: but a little half an hour ride might be all right.

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Speaker 1: I might I need to invest in a decent helmet though.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'd get one of those horns, you know, like

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Speaker 2: those fancy horns and they have like the glitter hanging off.

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Speaker 1: The pegs of the bike. So you gotta like pimp

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Speaker 2: So when you said horns, I thought you meant horns

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Speaker 2: on your helmet, and I.

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Speaker 1: Was like, what my helmet? Do you know what?

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Speaker 2: I felt like I was a bit out of the

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Speaker 2: and I always remember doing bike head with you guys,

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Speaker 2: and we were too embarrassed to do it because you

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Speaker 2: used to ride on the foot path instead. It's like,

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Speaker 1: Like, what the hell so going on? Is that giving

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Speaker 1: me you with your fancy horns? Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: down the middle. I'm gonna half to each of you.

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Speaker 1: TikToker Adas.

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Speaker 2: Paul has been accused of trying to silence his ex girlfriend,

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Speaker 2: who claims he groomed her during their relationship. Alice Patterson

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Speaker 1: Since the legal letter, Alice.

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Speaker 2: by the Paul's power and money.

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Speaker 1: Sophie. For those who don't know, because let's be.

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Speaker 2: Completely transparent, I had no idea who these people were

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Speaker 1: Who is Adas?

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Speaker 2: Paul Well Adas is a twenty year old social media influencer,

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Speaker 2: so he is huge on all of the platforms. He

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Speaker 2: has an only Fans page where he charges people fifty

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Speaker 2: He also has an insta famous new girlfriend called Mikayla

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Speaker 2: Tester and she is huge on only Fans. She is

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Speaker 2: twenty one years old and she went viral in twenty

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Speaker 1: And they're based in Queensland.

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Speaker 2: Aren't they. We're really Sunshine Coast, Yeah, the influencer capital

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Speaker 2: makes one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars per month

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Speaker 2: uploading on her OnlyFans accounts. God, so I've heard the

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Speaker 2: couple's been quite controversial in recent times as well.

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Speaker 1: You've got to talk us through that drama.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, they have been really controversial. So in March

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Speaker 2: So despite the government warning for people to return home,

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Speaker 2: the couple continued to stay in Bali and they had

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Speaker 2: were huge lockdowns in place. So they were basically slammed

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Speaker 2: for bragging about a tip they were leaving for a

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Speaker 2: a photo of it, and Attus wrote, my girlfriend and

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Speaker 2: I about to give this all to whichever lucky taxi

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Speaker 2: driver drops us off at the airport today. Bali is

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Speaker 2: to be one less family struggling. Now, what was incredibly

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Speaker 2: he's not the only one in the family that's some controversies. Recently,

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Speaker 2: his sister Anna Paul has been banned from TikTok. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this was pretty crazy because she actually had amassed one

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Speaker 2: point two million followers on TikTok before it was permanently deleted.

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Speaker 2: So TikTok confirmed the news, saying her account had been

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Speaker 2: permanently banned with a spokesperson's dating the platform has strict

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Speaker 1: Well, she's also got.

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Speaker 2: A big following on OnlyFans and Instagram and YouTube. But

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Speaker 2: it's quite interesting because you actually have to request to

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Speaker 2: follow artists and Anna, and I don't know if that's

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Speaker 2: changed their profile to public in private all the time,

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Speaker 1: They've got going.

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Speaker 2: But it is pretty interesting considering what's happened now, I

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Speaker 2: feel like we really need to start from the beginning,

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Speaker 2: and that is discussing Adis's relationship with Alice Patterson. Now,

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Speaker 2: Alice was thirteen when she started dating Addis Paul and

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Speaker 2: he was sixteen, and this is something that has never

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Speaker 2: been denied by the Paul family. They have confirmed that, yes,

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Speaker 2: Alice was thirteen. Yeah, there's no denying this was the

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Speaker 2: age difference. It was a three year and one month

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Speaker 2: Addis was seventeen when he was dating Alice. So basically

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Speaker 2: what's happened is rumor started circulating on TikTok in the

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Speaker 1: Addis was a pedophile.

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Speaker 2: Now, these are obviously claims that have not been substantiated.

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Speaker 2: They are alleged claims, and they are pretty defamatory. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they are very upsetting claims that these people are making.

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Speaker 2: Now Anna Paul, Adis's sister, and also Addis's girlfriend Michayla,

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Speaker 2: then there was this oh, oh, but we're not trying

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Speaker 2: We don't want to sue her. I've just had a

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Speaker 2: light bulb moment. They're not related to Logan Paul. No,

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Speaker 2: we're Australians, so it's funny.

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Speaker 1: It's another controversial same last name. Well, I think that's

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Speaker 1: all we've got time for today. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We hope you are enjoying your long weekend.

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Speaker 2: And if you do want to go join in the conversation,

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