1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Now, one of the country's leading experts in cyber safety, 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: is visiting a number of Darwin schools this week, educating 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: kids on best practice when on the Internet and ways 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: to protect themselves. Susan MacLean was a member of the 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Victoria Police for twenty seven years before becoming an advocate 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: for cyber safety and young people, also taking part in 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: training and conferences overseas, and Susan MacLean joins me on 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: the line right now. Good morning to you, Susan. 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Susan. What are some of the key areas that you're 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: focusing on with Northern Territory kids. 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to get through to them is 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: the reality of the digital world, So not what their 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: perception might be, but the reality. So what is the Internet, 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: how does it work? And how could they become a 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: victim of crime? But also making sure that their choices 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: online are not leading to the fact that they may 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: be engaging in criminal activities themselves. 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Susan, I am the parent of a teenage child. I 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: know that there'll be lots of them, lots of other parents, 21 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: fellow parents and caars out there listening this morning. What 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: are some of the you know some of the things 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: that you see and hear about every day that you 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: know that our kids are sort of engaging in or 25 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: that you know that's happening to them. 26 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is what I say to parents. 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: Now. 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: You might be the most switched on parents and you're 29 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: protecting your child at home, and that's great, but your 30 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: child is going to come to school, play sport and 31 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: be in the community with kids whose parents don't get 32 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: it or won't get it. So we know around eighty 33 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: percent of all teenagers are fabableist on any in any 34 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: given year. We know that children are grouped by pedophiles 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: and that is one of the fastest growing crime types 36 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: in the world. We know that children share explicit images, 37 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: often thinking they are going to a trusted child of 38 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: similar age and they're leaked. And the big one at 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: the moment, where five percent of all victims in Australia 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: are teenage boys, is the crime of sextortions, sexual black 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: male or sexual exhortion. 42 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: That's quite frightening for parents to hear. Right now, I'm 43 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: keen to sort of break down those numbers. So eighty 44 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: percent of kids are cyber bully, So what do you 45 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: mean Susan, they're actually they are bullying other people on 46 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: the internet, whether they know they are or don't. 47 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: No, that's that's I've not been a clear cyber bullied. 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: Oh they believe. 49 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: Sorry, my mistake. 50 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: That's they're bullied. But what I also say to parents is, no, parents, 51 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: it's all about protecting your own child. That's great, but 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: you have to be an active and involved participating your 53 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: child's online world because you need to make sure that 54 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: a your child is not being bullied or harmed, but 55 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: you also need to make sure your child is not 56 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: inflicting harm on someone else. 57 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: That is such a good point. That is such a 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: good point to make. And maybe that was why I'd misheard, 59 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: because you think that's the last thing any of us want. 60 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: But sometimes kids get online and their persona in person 61 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: becomes quite different to how they act when they are online. 62 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and there's a disinhibition effect where they say and 63 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: do things online that they would never contemplate doing in 64 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: real life. And you know, good kids in inverted comments 65 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: that never stop up anywhere in real life can find 66 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: themselves either at the receiving end of someone else's por 67 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: choses or engage in illegal behaviors themselves online. 68 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Susan talk me through you know, the sharing of photos 69 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: and how big an issue this is for the general 70 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: for our current generation, you know, growing up with the 71 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: with you know, the way that the Internet is so 72 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: prevalent and snapchatting photos and that kind of thing to 73 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: each other, and it seems. 74 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 2: For some young people to be a normal, acceptable occurrence. 75 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: What we know is in the early days of mobile 76 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: phones and even when the phone's got cameras, children didn't 77 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: have access to them. They were expensive, they didn't come 78 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: free with the phone plan, so there was no ability 79 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: for a child really take a naked further and quickly 80 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: share it. But there is now, So there is a 81 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: perception among some young people that this is a normal 82 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: part of the dating influc process, which is compounded by 83 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: two issues. One, no matter what the other person says, 84 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: there is a nineteen nun percent chance that image is 85 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: going to be further shared. And secondly, a naked or 86 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: sexually explicit picture of video of a person under the 87 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: age of eighteen years this class as child abuse material. 88 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 2: So there are significant serious criminal charges that could come 89 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: a child's way because they've taken these photos and shared them. 90 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: Susan, how are the session's going so far? I mean, 91 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: as you're sort of having these discussions with parents and kids, 92 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, what are they saying and what's the reaction? 93 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: The kids have been fabulous. I was at Cedar College 94 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: yesterday and worked here the tens eleventh and twelve there 95 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: and they were extremely receptive, lots of great questions. I'm 96 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: at Essington today working from grade five right through the 97 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 2: year twelve and I've just had the tens elevens and 98 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: twelve and the overwhelming response is they speak at the 99 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: school brought to Darwin, So I'm okay with that. I 100 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: don't talk actives, I talk to them. I had like 101 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: thirty kids hanging around at the end wanting to have 102 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: a chat about different things because I am open, I've 103 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: dealt with it before. And as I said to them, 104 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: I don't want you to learn about this stuff because 105 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: it happens to you. I want you to learn about it. 106 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: Please you listen, and then if you have questions you 107 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: ask me, and then prevention is always better than cure. 108 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: Yes, spot on, and what are some of the main 109 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: things that the kids are kind of wanting to ask you. 110 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: About, So they're really interested in the legal issues because 111 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: there is that perceptional I'm sixteen, I Takernuba myself. I 112 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: said it to my boyfriend or girlfriend. You also six 113 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: said why can't I do that? And the laws that 114 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: get applied we're not written to this. We know that, 115 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: and the states by and large, other than Victoria, have 116 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: been very slow to adapt the laws. The laws need 117 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: to be fit for purpose, they need to be contemporary. 118 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: There are certainly teenagers that engage in your behavior. It's 119 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: not about that. But a kid that consent you, sends 120 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: a new fader of themselves to an internet partner should 121 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: not be charged the same way as person the pedophile 122 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: from up the road. But the law doesn't differentiate. And 123 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: I think we're doing young people a disservice when we 124 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: don't have contemporary laws in place. It has not opened 125 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: the floodgates in Victoria of every kid setting new photo. 126 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: It's far from it. It just gives police and young 127 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: people protections in certain situations that charges will not be 128 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: laid because of course it's all convicted of these crimes. 129 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: You become a Richester sex offender. That is not a 130 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: suitable result for the action that has occurred. I don't 131 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: want discretion, but I'm dealing with Percy the pedophile of course, 132 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: but there needs to be something better that's done to 133 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: protect your news is an Australia. 134 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: Wide thing and so what age are you sort of 135 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: talking about in those instances. 136 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: Well, I am seeing children in primary school sending nud 137 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: photos wow to other kids in primary school. The Federal 138 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: Police put out media release late last year to say 139 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 2: they're seeing children as young as side following themselves naked 140 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: and posting it online because these children have the ability 141 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: to do it, because they have access to a device. 142 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: And that's why tomorrow night at Haileabury Rendel at seven 143 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: o'clock there is a session that is open to every 144 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: adult in the community. So if you are a parent, 145 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: care a guardian, you are a grandparent, you are a 146 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: sport coach, whatever you are, if you're working with young 147 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: people or your parents wism, please come along because my 148 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: presentation to parents and guardians again is very different, not 149 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: suitable for kids. But please don't trot up with your child, 150 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: even if I'm not speaking to them, but adults only. 151 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: The more the merrier, because the more adults that have 152 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: access to the right information that they can all work 153 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: together to keep more children safer. 154 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: What are some of the like, what are some of 155 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: the key things do you reckon that you know that 156 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: parents do need to keep an eye out for a 157 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: need to be aware. 158 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: Of They need to understand the reality the online world. 159 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: A lot of parents and this is quite normal. They 160 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: will base their assumptions on their own experiences. That's what 161 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: we do. But what I've explained to them is your 162 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 2: experiences online are not going to mimic that of your children. 163 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: The way you use that some platforms is different, the 164 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: algorithms are different, the engagement is different. So just because 165 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: you might use a platform and think it's all sunshine 166 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 2: and happiness and you'll never contacted by a pedophile because 167 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: you're forty five and you're way too old, that's not 168 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: going to be the experience of a child. So it's 169 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: getting them to understand that. It's getting them also to 170 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: be confident in saying no to their children, not trying 171 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: to be their kid's best friends. The amount of young 172 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: people under the age of thirty I find on platforms 173 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: they should not be on because their parents have allowed 174 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: them to lie. It is ridiculous And to parents, please 175 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: do not help your child to lie about their age, 176 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: to set up in a camp. I shouldn't have. Yeah, 177 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: I got an email from my mum yesterday. She heard 178 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,479 Speaker 2: me speak on Monday, I did a webinar for Booper Healthcare, 179 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: she said. I went home, I checked my son's discourse. 180 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: I know he shouldn't have had it his eleven She 181 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: checked the chat and she found he had sent his 182 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: full name, his address, and a photo of himself to 183 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: a random person on the Internet who had been asked 184 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 2: him for sex. Oh my goodness. So the child hadn't 185 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: come forward and told mom, but because mum had listened 186 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: to me speak and then she went to check, she 187 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: found it. So that's now being forwarded to my police 188 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: contacts in Victoria because mum was based in Victoria, and 189 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: that is now being addressed. But we've got to do better. 190 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: You know about eleven year old. She's never been in 191 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: that situation. 192 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: Yep. Are there certain platforms like that, Are you know 193 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: that are maybe worse for some of some of this 194 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: kind of thing or are they all pretty much the same? 195 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: Look, every platform can be missused if you can communicate 196 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: on it, and if it's full of kids, pedophiles are 197 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 2: going to follow there are some that are not so 198 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: much worse than others, but some don't have the in 199 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: built safety and security and reporting mechanisms of others. So 200 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: worldwide we know that tip stop and snapchats are highly 201 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: problematic for child sexual abuse. I've been doing some work 202 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: with two forensic pediutritionis in Melbourne. They have found for 203 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: the last seven years, every child that they medically examined 204 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: that have been sexually assaulted after being contact on the 205 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: internet was found on snapchats, every single one. Wow. So 206 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: you know again these platforms high volume users. Yeah, pedophiles 207 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: and offenders know that kids are there easy pickings. They're 208 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: not targeting kids specifically, they're putting the bait out, they're 209 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: waiting for someone to take it. 210 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: And so what do you reckon it? Is that like 211 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: that the likes of snapchat is the worst. I mean, like, 212 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm pretty firm or not allowing my kids on Snapchat, 213 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: and I know that other parents, you know, may feel 214 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: very differently. But the thing that I don't like is 215 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: that you can literally send anything it's disappearing, but the 216 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: strangers can be contacting you and it's you know, like, 217 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: I guess there's just a lot of room for scenarios 218 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: that you can't control correct. 219 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: And you know, if you look worldwide, TikTok comes in 220 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: as number one both volume YEP, then snapchats and then discords. 221 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: The thing with snapchat too. It's the perception of deletion, 222 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,359 Speaker 2: which is only that of perception. So the content disappears. 223 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: It does make it very difficult for the child then 224 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: to show the parent because it disappears. But you know, 225 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: I need people listening to know that the police can't 226 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: retrieve data off snapchats. Good, it's not an impossible term. 227 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: And again the perception is are and your snapchat no one, no, 228 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: I've done it again is not real. So what we 229 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: have to do is to make sure that you know 230 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: a law is only as good as it's being used, 231 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: and being effective means it's being new. So the more 232 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: people that know, the better the outcome is going to be. 233 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: I like to educate my man, to educate to prevent 234 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: because police cannot arrest someone on suspicion that sometimes in 235 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: the future they're going to harm a child. They have 236 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: to wait till the harmers occurred. Yeah, to me, I 237 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 2: want to jump in before that's occurred. By empowering the 238 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: young person not to get sucked in. 239 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, what's some advice that you could 240 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, you could give parents this morning. I know 241 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: that that obviously the you know, the like the actual 242 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: event is going to be happening that people are able 243 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: to go along and attend. But what is you know, 244 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: some simple advice that you give to parents today if 245 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: they're listening. 246 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: So, first of all, be an active and involved participant 247 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: in your child's online world. So if they're on a 248 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: platform or playing a game, you need to be there 249 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: as well. Make sure that you do not put your 250 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: children on any social media platform to at least they're 251 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: thirteen and the longer you keep them off at the 252 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 2: face that they will be And the last one is 253 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: get digital device about a bedrooms and bathroom. 254 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is all very very good advice, 255 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: very sound advice. Susan. It has been great speaking with 256 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: you this morning, and I know that you know, for 257 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people they are going to want to 258 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: hear more. So just tell us again, where is that 259 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: open events happening? 260 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: So the Open of NY seven pm tomorrow evening at Hailearbury, Rendell. 261 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: So it's open to the public. As long as you're 262 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: an adult. The more the merrier, because I said, the 263 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: more people that get access to the information, the safer 264 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,359 Speaker 2: the children here it will be. I have a website 265 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: cyber Safety Solutions dot com, dot a. You you'll find 266 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 2: me on Facebooks is in the Clean Cyber Safety Experts. 267 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: I have a book. I'll have the book for sale 268 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: tomorrow night. It's thirty dollars six text and selfie and 269 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: you can buy it on my website as well. So 270 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: if you want to upscille with a whole lot of 271 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: information that's available published by Penguin. 272 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: Susan, I really appreciate your having a chat with us 273 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you so very much for your time, 274 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: and thank you for that advice. 275 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: My pleasure anytime, good on. 276 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: Thank you, we appreciate it.