WEBVTT - Understand your gut and heal your bloat 🎈 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.400 Good everyone, it's Sam here. We've all heard the expression 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.680 trust your gut, but what does that mean when our 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.960 gut's trying to tell us something but we can't understand 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:14.720 what it is. Well, today we're going to find out. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.239 So if you've been experiencing any kind of bloating or 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.880 gut health issues, we're going to get into it today 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.079 with an absolute expert in that area, so make sure 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:26.200 you stick around for that. But before we do that, 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.040 I just want to tell you a little story about 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.720 why I love my wife so much, because a few 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:32.560 weeks ago it was Mother's Day and I forgot to 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.440 tell you this story. So I'm going back a few 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.880 weeks now. But I totally stuffed up Mother's Day and 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.279 I asked, there is what she wanted for Mother's Day 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.400 lunch and she said Greek food. I said, sure, let's 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.960 do that. So on the Tuesday before Mother's Day, I 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.960 googled best Greek restaurants that were around where we live. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.040 But one of them was sort of got four point 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.800 four stars on the Google ratings and was quite so 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:02.720 I rang up and I said, hi, I just wanted 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.840 to book in for six people one high chair for 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:10.560 Mother's Day lunch, and the lady said, oh, let me 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.600 just check, and I assumed she was checking to see 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.880 if they had a table free, because Mother's Day lunch 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.720 and assuming can be really busy. Anyway, she went away, 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.120 spoke to someone, came back said, yep, absolutely, we can 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.840 do that. We'll see at one o'clock on Mother's Day. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.920 And we have to take two cars whenever we go 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.039 out as a family because there's now six of us, 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.319 so hopefully got on Mother's Day. We piled into the car, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.000 we got all dressed up in our Sunday best and 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.960 we went off for Mother's Day lunch. And I pulled 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.400 up first, and my heart just absolutely sunk because when 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.319 I pulled up, what I thought was a nice Greek 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:53.280 restaurant was actually a TAKEAWAYSI Laki shop. I was like no, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.800 And literally, as I was about to call Snares and 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.160 try and come up with a plan B, she rocked 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.640 up with the car load, and so I sort of 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:05.400 ran down to the camera. I've stuffed up. I thought 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:09.280 it was a thought it was a restaurant, and it's 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.680 not a restaurant, you know. They just literally they had 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.280 one little table on the footpath that they'd probably put 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.000 out there just for us, and the rest was like 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.200 a takeaway silvlaki day. And I was like, oh god, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.080 how embarrassing. And it was on at main streets. Everyone 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:27.520 could see you sitting out the front and my beautiful wife, 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.160 and this is why I love He was like, nah, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.800 this would be fun. Couldn't care less. So the six 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.160 of us, all dressed up girls with their pretty little 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.840 dressed in airing, sat there and you know, this guy's like, oh, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.240 how good's this got? This family of six coming in. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.520 We don't even really do dine in, but he, you know, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.040 put on a put on a big sort of spread 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:51.400 for us, for these meats and cheeses and pitters and sozeki. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.640 It was, and it was lovely. It was very nicely 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.480 cooked food, but it was definitely not a restaurant. And 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.959 I quickly realized the reason they were going away to 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.600 see if they could do that was they've never done 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.400 a dining customer in their entire existence. I just love 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.040 Snairs because she's so down to earth, doesn't give a 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.799 crap about any of that stuff, and wasn't offended, didn't 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.120 think it mattered. There was more that we were just 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.200 sitting there together and there's a little story I wanted 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.520 to tell you all because I was incredibly embarrassed, but 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.680 she was just a legend about it. Anyway, It's now 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.560 time to meet the incredible gut health expert Rachel Larson, 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.760 and then I'm going to give you some very simple 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.280 tips that we can absolutely all do to help you 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:51.840 sleep better. That's next on the wood Life. Were joined 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:56.360 in the studio with the absolutely lovely, holistic gut health expert, 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.920 nutritionists and natural path Rachel Larson. Welcome to the wood Life. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.000 I am so excited to be here, Sam, thanks for 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:02.440 having me. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.120 So let's start with bloating. How do we get bloated? 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:06.200 What is it? 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:06.640 Yep? 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.400 And then most importantly, how do we avoid it? 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.520 I guess So that is a huge question to answer. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.080 So there's our forty five minutes right there. One question. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.159 I'm done. I've asked one. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.520 Question, but nothing. Yeah, we've used up all the time. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.000 I'm going to try and put it in a way 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.240 where it feels, I guess easier to imagine or visualize. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.080 And I'm just going to use an iceberg as a 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.760 I guess something for people to picture. Sure, So think 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.560 about bloating being the very top symptom, the very I 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.160 guess the last thing or the first thing people see. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.440 That's what you see out of the watery, Yeah, the belt. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.240 And maybe you know, third of the way down the 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.520 iceberg it hits the water, and at that point you 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.520 might get a diagnosis like celiac disease, climatory bow disease, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.880 or ce BOW which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. You 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.559 might get a diagnosis. At that point you think, Okay, 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.479 well that's what's causing my bloating. But if you actually 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.080 look underneath the water, you've got two thirds of the 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:01.000 iceberg left, You've got all of these actual causes of bloating. 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.960 And that's where we look at things like stressed out 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.880 nervous system. We can look at different dietary choices, genetics, 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:13.680 different issues with motility, medications potentially having different adhesions, and 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.359 things from surgery. There is a huge list of things 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.640 that can cause the I guess bloating, but can cause 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.480 the issues that we then identify which is causing bloating. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:24.280 If that makes sense. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.680 Sure, So glad you mentioned such a variety because foods 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.760 where I mean, maybe it's just the space I live in, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.400 but when I speak to people and they're frustrated and 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:38.719 they're bloating. It's almost always in their mind at least, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.839 and it's because of certain foods that are meeting in 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.080 my body not reacting well to certain foods. Yeah, but 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.760 I think bringing up all those other reasons is really 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.880 important for people to get their head. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.279 And food is obviously it's a space that I work 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.960 in a lot as well, But I think it's important 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.240 to discern, I guess, the difference between what's causing their 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.680 bloating and what's triggering their bloating. You know, cause being 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.040 if we take that out, the bloating's gone for good forever, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.080 like that is the answer to that. Whereas food being 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.039 a trigger is that there is an issue in the 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.800 body that when it's in the presence of a certain 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.279 food or food groups or multiple foods, that then triggers 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.680 a sequence of events that causes bloating. So I want 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.080 to challenge people's thinking about food if it is a 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.719 cause or if it's a trigger, and for the majority 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.640 of people it's going to be a trigger. There's a 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.599 few issues that people would have, such a celiac disease, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.440 where yes, in fact, you know, gluten is something that 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.720 you're going to be pulling out forever. But for the 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.280 rest of us that have bloating, I challenge that it's 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.839 actually food being a trigger and that the real cause 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.880 is something else that they haven't quite explored yet. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.400 It's a really interesting way to position it, isn't it, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.400 Because from my experience, which is limited in this very 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:56.240 specific space, but a lot of people jump to gluten 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:01.440 free as the sole solution I have been looking for, 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.520 or the soul it's going to fix everything, that it's 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:06.960 going to fix everything. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.520 And I think there's different aspects to gluten or maybe 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.680 we could broaden this I guess conversation to wheat and 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.200 those type of products, because you know, gluten is found 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.280 in wheat, but it's also found in different forms in 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.280 rye and different types of other grains, and so I 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.480 think we vilify gluten, but perhaps it's another quality to 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.880 those type of grains that are causing issues as well. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.280 Like you can certainly have Celiac disease, which we can 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.640 get tested for and can be I guess, an easy 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.440 explanation for their symptoms. But for some people it's non 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.680 celiac gluten sensitivity. For other people it could actually be 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.240 a fermentable part of those grains like rye or wheat 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.880 that's causing other issues. So it's not maybe necessarily the gluten, 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.200 but it's other properties that are in those grains that 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.840 are causing issues, and you know, along the line will 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.440 be causing bloating for them. So yeah, it's a quick 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.840 one that people can pull out because I think there's 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.520 so much conversation about it, and there's you know, if 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.120 you go to this soop market, you can buy all 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.960 these things at a gluten free so it's an easy 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.240 swap to make. But I don't think it's the whole picture. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:06.960 For some people. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.520 It makes a lot of sense to me, so we're 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.720 not necessarily going to be able to allow our listeners 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:14.920 to self diagnose at the end of our thirty minute chat. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.840 That's sort of what I'm gleaning from this. What is 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.840 the process then that you go down when you're seeing 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:27.840 your clients to work through all of those potential symptoms 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.880 to find out what the deepest cause is. 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.000 So sure look can be really quite in depth, and 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.280 you know, I think that's it. It is important to 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.440 understand that because it adjusts expectations about you know, what 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.080 to expect from healing your bloats. It can be a long, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.800 long journey for some people. But I start off with 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.880 really needing to understand someone's history. What was your history 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.000 as a child? Did you have a lactose intolerance? Then? 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.319 Have you had food poisoning, gastri how many doses of antibiotics? 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.440 All these I guess assaults, all these incidences that are 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.520 happening in their gut. But not only that. Are you 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.079 a stressed person? Are you know, are you anxious you 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.040 Have you gone through something really traumatic? Or is there 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.640 a point in your life where you've never been well 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.080 since and what happened around that point or leading up 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.880 to that. So there's a huge history I need to 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.000 gather from people, and that I guess through my experience, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.680 I can start to narrow down it sounds like a 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.080 digestive ends I missue or you know, it sounds like 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.199 a nervous system dysfunction issue. But ultimately I also need 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:29.040 to do testing to understand this, and testing is it's 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.240 not all testing is the same. And I think for 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.959 a lot of people that experience bloating, testing is one 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.680 of these points of annoyance because for a lot of them, 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.760 all the tests have come back normal where they're told 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.240 everything looks good. I guess this is just who you are. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.360 That happened to my little girl. She's very frustrated by it, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.200 but she knows there's something going on with the tummy, 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.400 certain foods or certain things that are happening to me, 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.120 and we have really only headed down the food paths. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.319 Get her to come and set you but for sure, okay, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.839 I mean that sincerely. It's really frustrating her, and she's 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.120 also at that age where she feels like she's difficult. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.280 We're going at the dinner and I know we'll eat 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.960 those foods or we'll order those foods in group with 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.679 my friends, and I don't want to do that. And 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.120 you know, like weird things like watermelon triggers her, like weird, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.480 we like things that you think would be just a healthy, 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.839 good option. So little foods that sort of out of 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.520 nowhere triggered her. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.520 And I totally understand that a gutt issue can often 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.240 come from a nervous system but then cause nervous system 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.520 issues because food is such an integral part of how 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.079 we socialize and interact with people, and it's joy for us. 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.440 But not only that, it's literally how we sustain our life. 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.320 So every day, three to five times a day, you 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.080 are looking at what you're about to consume with complete fear, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.560 thinking what's this going to do to me? 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.839 Typically? How long does it take to work with a client? 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.720 I mean how long do you start to see some change? 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:01.000 How long? Because it's not a clickif thing and now 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.480 you're fine and you can go back to eating any 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.480 of these foods? About it triggered you before? Is it? No? 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.440 And I wish, like I wish I was a witch 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.800 and could do that in my naturopathic space. Unfortunately, I'm 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.640 just a human with these skills. Is to look at 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.160 it holistically, and even you know, with my skills, we 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.800 have to appreciate what's happened to the body and how 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.200 long the body takes to heal. So I guess just 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.760 to paint out a very rough time frame for people, 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.640 I like to have quick wins with people within the 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.839 first couple of weeks and months. I'm really putting in 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.079 what I would describe as like symptimonally band aid reliefs. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:36.920 And I claim that, like you know, I don't think 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:38.600 we should stop there, but they're so important to put 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.360 it initially because these people need to have some sort 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.160 of win in their body, and so that might involve 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:48.000 certain supplements to support digestion. It might include maybe some 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.880 sort of loaf fodmap diet, which brings me back to 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.760 your comment on watermelon is a high fodmap food, so 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.679 very prone to bloating for people. But taking out a 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.440 lot of those trigger foods, I would say, look, let's 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.480 do this for four to six eight weeks, and then 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.440 as we start to address the underlying causes, we start 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.400 to introduce those foods to your tolerance as quickly as 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:12.160 we can. And I'm feeling like people reach this place 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.840 of stability where they might be like seventy percent on 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.280 their journey within about six months. And that means that, look, 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.880 you still might not be able to eat without consciously 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.160 thinking about food, but there are certainly there's a lot 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.720 less anxiety, and there's a lot more options available to you. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.320 It's just we probably need longer for that remaining thirty 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.280 percent to really take change. And that's certainly not for everybody. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.040 I've got patients that are a lot longer and a 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.680 lot shorter, because what determines I guess how long that 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.720 is is what's happened like, what is the root cause? 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.239 I do think that term stability is interesting. So ultimately 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.080 you're searching for what you coin gut stability, as in, 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.920 you'll be able to reintroduce most foods, if not all foods, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.600 and you won't be back to square one, you won't 0:12:58.640 --> 0:12:59.880 have the same reaction. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.079 Yeah, I feel like a lot of people when they're 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:03.800 getting bloated, they're like, I'm gonna clean up my diet. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.679 I'm gonna eat more vegetarian, I'm gonna have a lot 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.960 more veggies. And the kick in the gut, snow Pine 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.040 intended is that these foods are high in a group 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.520 of fibers called fod maps, and they are prime for 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.360 menable products. Like so it feels like people are really 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.599 confused because they're like, I'm eating healthier, Why am I 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.600 feeling more bloated? So to get people eating back those 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.520 foods is important because eating a healthy, fiber high fodmap 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.240 diet wasn't the cause in the first place. It's just 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:34.400 that's what the trigger is. 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.760 So can we talk about that What is happening in 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.319 the gut when we get bloated. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:43.640 It's a combination of things. So bloating is either you're 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.120 full of gas or fluid. Now when I'm talking gut stuff, 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.200 it's mostly gas. Fluid could be from inflammation, you know, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.400 in those type of things where I mean, if anyone's 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.480 had a big weekend or eaten too much bad stuff, 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.720 they're like, I feel inflamed and puffy and bloated. That's 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.559 more like a fluid picture. But in the gut when 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.880 we're talking about gas production, typically there's a lot of 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:08.040 fermentation there, So fermentation being from a bacterial or fungal 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.600 imbalance in the gut. And what they do is if 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.760 they eat these healthy foods and through their natural metabolism, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.440 gas becomes, you know, created as a byproduct. But lay 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:21.160 it on that we could have issues with enzyme reduction, 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.160 so you might have a leaky gut, which is where 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.640 a lot of our enzymes live that break down some 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.040 of these foods, so you might have insufficient levels of 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.760 those which then create a malabsorption of certain foods. You 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.800 might also be constipated, and imagine having all of this 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.720 junk stuck in you, basically corking you up and not 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.240 letting anything through. Like you're going to feel pretty bloated 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:41.920 to that you. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.120 Can sort of understand why people put up with it 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.800 for a long time without actually doing anything about it. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.920 You know, no one really wants to talk about who. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.600 No one really wants to say that they're gassy. No, 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:55.840 you know, like it's not a. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.200 Nice sexy stuff. 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.520 No it's not. It's definitely not sexy. Out of curiosity, 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.480 what percentage of people that come and see you a female? 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:09.320 I'd probably say ninety percent of my patients are women. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.080 I've been and seen enough guys that I know have 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.040 gut issues, but they describe it as I just don't 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.080 feel right. You know, they don't use the word blow. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.120 They say I don't feel right, or maybe I just 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.120 need to oh too many beers, you know, that kind 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.680 of thing, Like they'll play it off for something else. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.320 Or they're scared that the diagnosis means that they're going 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.760 to cut down on those fears, and they're not necessarily 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.000 prepared to head down that path. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:30.600 Exactly. 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:32.720 So, how much of a factory is alcohol? 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.080 Look, there's very little redeeming qualities to alcohol when it 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:36.920 comes to gut health. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.640 I probably very little redeeming quality is full stop. We're 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:44.000 learning show quickly apart from fun, but exactly, Yeah, once 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.160 the fund's finished. There's not a whole lot of good 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:46.920 that happens yet. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.160 And like you know, I certainly like I drink a 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.160 bit of alcohol. I still drink coffee. Like I feel 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.280 like I'm such a realist where I'm like, we're not 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.160 here to be perfect on this planet. But in terms 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.000 of what it can do to the gut, it's highly inflammatory. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.560 It's certainly depending on the type of alcohol you have. 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.680 It can also contain different things that the body ferments. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.560 It causes leaky gut, It really changes your stomach, so 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.760 people can often experience reflux and those type of things. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.480 There's not a lot of good stuff happening when it 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.040 comes to alcohol. But that doesn't mean that your forever 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.040 looks like an alcohol free life. I think it just 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.080 we need to be really conscious and you know, personally 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.400 responsible about maybe the types of alcohol we have, how 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.120 much we have and when we have it. In now 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:31.640 healing journey, yeah. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.200 I love that. I mean, you've got to have a 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.840 realistic approach to these things. So it's just going to 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.520 scare people off and they're never going to take positive steps. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.640 Bloating can't be a new thing. Why do you think 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.400 it is that we're only just here or we're hearing 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:46.520 that it's so much. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.840 I think it's probably a combination of things. I certainly 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:54.400 feel like the environment that we're living in as humans, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.840 it's probably not as conducive to health as it was 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:03.240 years and years ago, in that there's more stress. I mean, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:04.920 that's such a weird I mean, is there. I mean 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.560 I feel like I feel like we're talking about it 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.560 a bit more so. Perhaps there always has been, but 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.080 that gets acknowledged. So I feel like there's more stress. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.040 There's a faster paced environment, which maybe is feeding that stress. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.040 Perhaps. I think they're definitely I don't think that's a 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.200 rash all medications. 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.760 I think, you know, having like things like nexium that 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.320 are really easily liches, a proton pump inhibitor for people 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.520 that have refluxes, like given out like candy, which again, 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.199 what are we actually like, what are we doing? You know, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.200 is that actually treating it or is it masking something? Potentially? 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:40.040 Food quality so obviously like in Australia, we've got wonderful 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.160 fruit and vegetables here, but there's all the other stuff 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.600 that we're potentially having access to as well, like the 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.760 package stuff, the fast food those type of things are 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.680 the different medications, not nexium for example, but how quickly 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:58.120 are we prescribing antibiotics, even things like the oral contraceptive pill. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.160 They've got different links with different gut conditions. And that's 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.800 not to be anti medication, like you know, there's a 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.800 place for everything. It's just questioning when and why things 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.120 are used. There's lots of different reasons. There's also things 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:14.280 which is a completely other topic, like mold illness, so 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.600 the quality of our houses and things like that, you know, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.960 flood affected areas, those type of things, they can really 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.400 affect someone's health and their gut as well. So there's 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.480 a mood of issues that are maybe increasing, which is 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.120 potentially increasing our bloating. I would also say our gut 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.360 health is in some ways going downhill because we live 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.560 in a society where we're eating the same foods. Like 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.280 how often do you go to the supermarket and you 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.520 pick the same eight vegetables and that's all you eat, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.200 and you've got like your meal plans and you just 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.640 kind of stick to those where we're not having variety anymore, 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.840 which is a huge disservice to our gut. But also 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.640 how we are super clean you know, society where we're 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.840 constantly you know, spray and wiping things, and that also 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.719 is a detriment to our gut health because you know, 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.200 those who's getting picking up bacteria from different places, from pets, 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.680 from dogs, from other people having not a super sterile environment, 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.040 that's important as well. So there's like it's a massive, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:11.680 massive conversation. 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.240 Yeah, so many factors in terms like microbiome, you know, 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.760 like that. Even even in the life of twenty eight 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.000 my own line program, I don't think we really answered 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.320 questions on that throughout twenty eight ers in the first 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.080 few years and then and it's coming from them, they're 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.080 becoming more educated, more interested. I do feel like we're 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.120 waking up to it's not just about what you see 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.080 on the surface, you know, like a healthy gut is 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.119 not a six pack. A healthy gud is what's actually 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:39.840 on the inside and working its way out. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.439 Absolutely, And the gut health presents itself in ways other 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.119 than bloating as well. If you've got issues with chronic 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.679 iron or B twelve deficiencies, if you've got any autoimmune condition, 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.280 skin issues, all of those things have connections to the gut. 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.680 And it is because I always think of the gut 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.080 as like the trunk of the tree, and then there's 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.320