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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation Jonesy, how would you describe our

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Speaker 1: mate Shelly Hawden? Well, she is a powerhouse. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you the words. She's immediate powerhouse.

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Speaker 2: What words are there?

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Speaker 1: She's a straight talker. She's your go to lady on

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Speaker 1: so many things. And she's got a new audiobook now

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Speaker 1: called I'm Your Perry Godmother. And I'm so pleased that

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Speaker 1: women are talking about this stuff. Finally, you've put your

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Speaker 1: heart on your sleeve and your reproductive organs on your

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Speaker 1: sleeve as well.

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Speaker 3: Should we hought in a low I am bearing my

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Speaker 3: ovaries for you girls?

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Speaker 4: You worry about that?

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Speaker 1: Why is it suddenly? And I love that we are

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Speaker 1: that women are talking about this stuff. When I went

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Speaker 1: through menopause and I'm still on hit at the age

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Speaker 1: of one hundred and fifty eight million, I really missed

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Speaker 1: that My mum wasn't around because I don't remember what

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Speaker 1: it was like for her, and she never spoke about it.

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Speaker 1: Why are we suddenly able to talk about it?

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Speaker 4: I think that times are definitely changing.

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Speaker 3: So I went into perimenopause in twenty twenty, so five

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Speaker 3: years ago, and it wasn't really spoken about then even

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Speaker 3: but I feel like gen X has gone, you know what,

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Speaker 3: enough of the shame and silence. This is a natural

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Speaker 3: part of life and this is okay to talk about.

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Speaker 3: My mom didn't talk about it to me, so I'm

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Speaker 3: so sorry that you didn't have your.

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Speaker 4: Mom to talk to.

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Speaker 3: But know that often because of that generation of that

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Speaker 3: stiff upper lip and soldier on, we really have lost

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Speaker 3: that communication. And what I've realized with putting this book

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Speaker 3: together is secret women's business doesn't help women. We actually

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Speaker 3: need to talk about it and men need to know

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Speaker 3: about it as well. So it's a pretty hectic time

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Speaker 3: for a lot of women, and it's time for us

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Speaker 4: Know it's true.

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Speaker 2: My late manner she passed away many years ago, but

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Speaker 2: she had a mistake toomy like one bosom removed, and

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Speaker 2: we never knew about it. She had brist cats and

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Speaker 2: no one need yeah, and it was never talked about

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Speaker 2: these days. Be a tribute facebook page, tattoo in all

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Speaker 2: this stuff. And Nana she had a prosthetic boob none

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Speaker 2: of us knew about and I only found it about

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Speaker 2: it twenty years after she died.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as you say, secret women's business doesn't really help anybody.

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Speaker 1: And often the medical profession didn't know much because even

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Speaker 1: for HRT and things like that. Initially, when I went

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Speaker 1: on it, some doctors would say, oh, you can't be

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Speaker 1: on it for too long because it's none.

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Speaker 4: Of that's true.

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Speaker 1: As long as you can be none of those other markers,

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Speaker 1: you can be on it for as long as you need.

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Speaker 1: You can be on it till you're ninety.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So when I got my first symptoms, because I didn't

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Speaker 3: and they hadn't been educated about perimenopause, and when I

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Speaker 3: described my symptoms, they said to me, oh, that could

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Speaker 3: be cancer. Oh god, I mean like really, So what

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Speaker 3: happened was it took me another nine months until I

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Speaker 3: menopause and perimenopause, and by that state, I had like

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Speaker 3: one in three women perimenopausal depression, like ninety percent of women.

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Speaker 3: I had really abnormal bleeding, and I was circling the

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Speaker 3: drain all because that first GP didn't pick up on

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Speaker 4: So we are that is changing as well.

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Speaker 3: I have campaigned in Parliament about this and now new

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Speaker 3: GPS who are coming through they it is compulsory for

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Speaker 3: them to learn about perimenopause and menopause. GPS who are

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Speaker 3: now in place are being educated that that WHI study

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Speaker 3: from two thousand and two claiming that HIT causes breast

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Speaker 3: cancer has been completely walked back, So we don't have

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Speaker 3: to have that fear. And I will be buried with

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Speaker 3: my HIT. I'm going to stay on it until the

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Speaker 4: Yeah sure.

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Speaker 2: And if you too, like you don't have children, is

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Speaker 2: it different? Per And I know you can't speak for

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Speaker 2: but to studies, but do you know what I mean

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Speaker 2: to study show for those women that choose not to

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Speaker 2: have children as opposed to those that had children, are

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Speaker 2: the different reactions to it? To perimed, it's.

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Speaker 3: Not actually different as to whether or not you've had children,

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Speaker 3: but it's a big indicator that if you did have

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Speaker 3: almost one hundred percent going to have perimenopause or depression.

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Speaker 3: And this is not the sort of depression that you

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Speaker 3: treat with an antidepressant. This is a hormonal fluctuation, so

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Speaker 3: therefore HRT is the gold standard for treating this. So

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Speaker 3: you can kind of look at your history and particularly

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Speaker 3: if you have had any problems with having kids or

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Speaker 3: even a lot of women who have really bad PMS

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Speaker 3: or have problems, you know, emotionally with their periods, they

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Speaker 3: if anything, it's just a good indicator of what might

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Speaker 3: be coming and a good way to look out for

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Speaker 3: the science and make sure that you're looking after yourself.

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Speaker 1: And so validating to have it spoken about, to say

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Speaker 1: this stuff is real and so put up.

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Speaker 4: With it absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And I've made sure that my book is absolutely evidence based,

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Speaker 3: so I have incredible menopause experts that I've interviewed from

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Speaker 3: around the world.

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Speaker 4: I actually had an independent GP go through in fact

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Speaker 4: check it.

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Speaker 3: But what I've done is I've taken all the science

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Speaker 3: and made it very digestible so that it's easy to read.

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Speaker 4: It's easy to understand.

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Speaker 3: I describe estrogen as like your Beyonce hormone that gives

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Speaker 3: you all your energy, and your progesterone is your Snoop

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Speaker 3: Dogg that calms you down and.

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Speaker 4: Helps you sleep.

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Speaker 3: So I've made it so very conversational. And the thing

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Speaker 3: that I love about having an audible version is it's

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Speaker 3: just like having a best friend in your ears. And

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Speaker 3: I'm just I just wish I could also give everyone

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Speaker 3: a glass of wine with the audible, so we can

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Speaker 3: have a glass of wine and talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Could be a thing in the book. You remember the

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Speaker 2: vowsack little sachets.

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Speaker 4: That's when I was picturing you know, is it too late.

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Speaker 2: To do a reprint.

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Speaker 4: I think it's time. I think you've struck You've struck gold, Shelley.

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Speaker 2: It's always great to talk to you. I'm your perry

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Speaker 2: godmother as in store and available now exclusively to audible

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Speaker 2: Shelley Horton, Thank.

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Speaker 4: You, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 2: Love you, bar you carry on, carry on,