1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: This is jam Nation with Sophie Kasher is a businesswoman, 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: a very experience and powerful influencer. She has an enormous 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: following online. She was an AFL wag and everything was 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: going well with her husband, well until it wasn't. While 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: she still loved him, she was also in love with 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: a woman, and so the next chapter of Sophie's life began. 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: It's all in her new book called Then There was Her. 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: We're joined by Sophie this morning. 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 2: Hello, good morning, how are you? 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: Wow? 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: Very well, bombshell information to drop, isn't it. 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: Well, yes, let's start with what life is like as 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: an AFL wag. I mean, did you you married your husband, 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: you loved him, and you thought, well, this is the life. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: He's an AFL star. Off we go. 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, both of us sort of like grind down 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: gears at the AFL wag title. But anyway, so yeah, 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: we look. We met young, we fell in love. He's 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: a beautiful, beautiful human, and we had a baby young 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: and we got married and everything was great. And then 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: you know, hindsight's a wonderful thing. And I look back 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: now and I don't regret my life with him, but 23 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: I just I didn't know myself, you know, like I 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: was in my early twenties, and it's not uncommon for 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: a woman or any human to discover who they really 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: are later on in life. And that just sort of 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: happened to me in my later twenties, just unfortunately after 28 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: I'd already married this man. So there's a beautiful story 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: at the end of it. 30 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: Though. 31 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: So you're sharing a workplace with a woman and you 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: start to have feelings for her, Is that how it 33 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: all started? 34 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? So just for context, they've never been attracted to 35 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: females in my life. I've been straighty one eighty and 36 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: I did. I had a wonderful life with my husband, 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: and I met this woman, and I talk about it 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: in the book. I didn't really believe in those moments 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: that we hear of, you know, where the stars surround 40 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: you and everything goes quiet. But I certainly did have 41 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: that moment, And looking back, I'm not so sure if 42 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: it was that specific woman or if it was just 43 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: the time, you know, the female figure in my life, 44 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: but that was such a pivotal moment in my life, 45 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: taking such an alternative route from that moment on. 46 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: Well, and so you were with Alana but you're not 47 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: with her anymore. 48 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: No, I'm not with Ilana anymore. I'm engaged my beautiful 49 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: partner Maddie now. And that's another interesting part of the 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: book because I have lived my life online. You know, 51 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: people think that you are telling them every little thing 52 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: that goes on in your life. But what people are 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: going to realize is there was actually quite a few 54 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: women that I dated over the years as I was 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: navigating through. So everyone say, oh my god, you had 56 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: other hers in your life. I'm like, yes, guys, I did. 57 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: I actually did have a bit of a private life 58 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: there for a while. 59 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: Was it hard feeling to put a name to what 60 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: you were feeling because did you think, well, maybe I 61 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: just feel this for this woman and it won't disrupt 62 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: my marriage, or it doesn't mean that I'm gay. Did 63 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: you kind of grapple with that for a while. 64 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: Oh, I meander absolutely hit the nail on the head. 65 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: It wasn't just you know, like I explain it, like, 66 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: I didn't just wake up one day and flick the 67 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: light switch and go, I feel like becoming a lesbian today. 68 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: This is going to be fun. It's something that just 69 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: happened to me, and I did welcome that change, but 70 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: it was petrifying because I knew the snowball effects of it, 71 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: and I did also question, well, I what if I 72 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 2: changed my mind again? And then you know, it's hard 73 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: when you navigate things and then you live such a 74 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: public life. I knew that once everyone knew, But what 75 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: if I did change my mind again, I'm going to 76 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: look like an idiot here, like I was simply a 77 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: woman just trying to figure myself out. Unfortunately, I have 78 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: over two hundred thousand people who are watching my every 79 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: single move and they want answers as well. So I 80 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: had people questioning me, like you and Jared together. I 81 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: saw you out here with a girl. I saw this 82 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: what's going on? And they expected answers straight away when 83 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: I didn't always have the answer to give because I 84 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: didn't know myself. 85 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: Maybe you should have put it into a TikTok dance. 86 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: Yeah that would so you and we're not together anymore, 87 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: but I'm with this woman and over here. 88 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: Probably the way to do it these days, isn't it? 89 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: And so what do you hope people will get from 90 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: your book? What have you learnt that you can share 91 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: with others? 92 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I tell you what there is a really 93 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: beautiful story, and for so long the public did fall 94 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: in love with Jared and Sophie together. But let's remove 95 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: Jared from there, because we are you know, we're co 96 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: parents now, but we do have our individual lives with 97 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: our new partners. But there is a really beautiful story 98 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: there about a man who put his ego and pride 99 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: aside and simply supported a woman in what she wanted 100 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: to do. And that's a really powerful story. So whilst 101 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: I can sit here and talk about me and you know, 102 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: all these things I discovered that I don't want that 103 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: to ever be forgotten. 104 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: Sure it's very grown up, isn't it. Really? That's really 105 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: and that's really big adult feelings. How you navigate this 106 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: same stuff. Good on Jared, well Sophie. This is great. 107 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing it. Then there was Her 108 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: by Sophie Kasha, available now at Sophie Casha dot com. 109 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for the chat, guys appreciate it.