WEBVTT - UNDER THE INFLUENCE: Rob Millsy Mills

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome to another episode of Outspoken as Usual.

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<v Speaker 1>You're joined by journalists Amy and Sophie Torber And on

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode of Under the Influence, we are so excited

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<v Speaker 1>to be joined by Rob Milsey Mills. Now, for those

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<v Speaker 1>who aren't like Sophie and I and who are totally

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with MILLSI when we're fourteen. Rob rose to stardom

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<v Speaker 1>as a finalist on Australian Idol in two thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, he's carved out a successful career in musical

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<v Speaker 1>theater and scored himself a role on Australia's longest running soap. Neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>Get set for a fun chat where we discuss bathroom

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<v Speaker 1>etiquette whilst holiday with a partner. We find out all

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<v Speaker 1>the goss on what really happened in the Australian Idol mansion,

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<v Speaker 1>and we also find out how Millsy caught the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of his journalist's girlfriend, Georgie. We also discussed some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>serious matters involving mental health, so if you are struggling,

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<v Speaker 1>please call Lifeline. On thirteen eleven fourteen, Welcome back to Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen via your Instagram some pretty amazing snaps of

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<v Speaker 1>you and your lovely girlfriend Georgie in Europe. How was

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<v Speaker 1>the trip?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, incredible, it was really it was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>that Georgie and I had been on a big holiday together.

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<v Speaker 2>So four weeks alone with your partner is I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's always it's always daunting but also exciting, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>proved to work out really well, like we've definitely taken

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<v Speaker 2>our relationship to the next level. But yeah, we went

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<v Speaker 2>to some really beautiful places. I think probably one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorites. Our favorite was Kyoto to going up to

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<v Speaker 2>Fashimi and Ari the mountain with all the shrines, the

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<v Speaker 2>tory gates and it was really beautiful. But yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to Tokyo and over to London, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>went to Paris and Brussels and Dubai on the way home.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a pretty extensive trip. But always we

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<v Speaker 2>always realize, I said, the joy every time we're coming

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<v Speaker 2>back astray is really how lucky we are here obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>just economically with so much it was so much better

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<v Speaker 2>off than a lot of other countries around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not fighting for space even in our even in

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<v Speaker 2>our cities, and just yeah, we just we've just got

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<v Speaker 2>We're so lucky to have been to being brought up here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's a good Yeah. I don't think many people

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia realized until they leave Australia to go, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>we've actually I mean, it's beautiful in London and in Paris,

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<v Speaker 2>all the beautiful buildings, but everything's old. Everything's new here,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's from all the mistakes of past civilizations. We've

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<v Speaker 2>we've done pretty well here. I mean, apart from our.

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<v Speaker 3>Lack of.

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<v Speaker 2>Lack of love for having indigenous we've we've we've done

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you've answered so beautifully. But I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the fact that this is your first holiday

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<v Speaker 1>away with your girlfriend, because as I went to Europe

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<v Speaker 1>with my boyfriend last year and what we found difficult

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<v Speaker 1>was the toilet etiquette on a holiday because sometimes those

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<v Speaker 1>rooms are quite small. Did you have cost could with

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<v Speaker 1>all of that or any funny stories along the way?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously when you first go to Tokyo, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're first going to Japan, Yeah, couldn't wait to use

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<v Speaker 2>the the bubblers, you know, couldn't wait to use I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what you call them, but they're fantastic, and

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<v Speaker 2>both of us have decided we definitely want to get

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<v Speaker 2>one of those toilets. It plays music for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>The seats are always warm, and I couldn't wait to

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<v Speaker 2>ask her if she's you know, she's the the bubbler.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I don't think we had I think we

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<v Speaker 2>we We're live a year and a half, so I

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<v Speaker 2>think we both had that conversation like if you need

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<v Speaker 2>to go, you need to Yeah, we're both obtusly we

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<v Speaker 2>realized that has nothing nothing too crazy, but yeah, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll find it on that front. I was just I

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<v Speaker 2>just love those toilet suits. So I've got to say fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Now, I thought we go back by talking going

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<v Speaker 1>back to two thousand and three when we all first

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<v Speaker 1>met you on Australian Idol. You were only twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, which is pretty crazy, and you became

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<v Speaker 1>an instant household name. What was that time like in

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<v Speaker 1>your life?

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was fun, super fun for a young

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<v Speaker 2>kid who'd never been in a plane before. So my

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<v Speaker 2>first plane flight was the flight to go to Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the top one hundred. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on caravan camping trips as a family. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like kept in a cage like Fritz or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But yeah, so I'd worked in a pub

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<v Speaker 2>band for three years, like Thursday or Sunday nights, always

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<v Speaker 2>singing in bands, so I saw I've already had a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of confidence as a stage performer. So I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like to a singer who's never sung before, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to be part of the machine that was Australian Idol

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<v Speaker 2>and be part of the first sort of big reality

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<v Speaker 2>TV show where I think I started to realize that

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing real about reality TV. But I was just happy,

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<v Speaker 2>go lucky kind of kids and not very self aware

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<v Speaker 2>at that age. It's quite naive I thought I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I had some self confidence, but probably not

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<v Speaker 2>as much self worth as probably needed to go on

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<v Speaker 2>a show like that. So I wasn't a two years

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<v Speaker 2>later that I realized, oh, I didn't actually know who

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<v Speaker 2>I was. So every time I've done a chat with

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<v Speaker 2>kids at schools or I highly recommend kids have a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more of an understanding of who they are and

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<v Speaker 2>what they want as a as a person before they

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<v Speaker 2>go on my shows, because I think when I was

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<v Speaker 2>on there, I was just trying to be someone maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. But at the same time, I was

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to figure out who I was, which is

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of difficult to figure that out in

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<v Speaker 2>front of you know, millions of people who are watching

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<v Speaker 2>on television. They seem to have had an idea of

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<v Speaker 2>what the network kind of had an idea of what

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted for me and as a character on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, sure, I'll be that party guy

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<v Speaker 2>Alarak and you need me to be like sure, that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of who I was. But years later, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I realized that I'm not really that guy, so I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a little bit more depth. But it wasn't ntil

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<v Speaker 2>years later to work that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I suppose it's hard because people do forget you

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<v Speaker 1>were so young when you're on Australian idol and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if this was part of the role or

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<v Speaker 1>it got thrown on you, but you were the heart

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<v Speaker 1>throb of the show. What was it like getting so

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<v Speaker 1>much female attention at such a young age.

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<v Speaker 2>I was okay, it was as I said, I'd worked

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<v Speaker 2>every sort of every weekend, so those sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those formative teenage years where people will go out to

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<v Speaker 2>university parties and a lots of stuff. I worked those

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<v Speaker 2>nights Thursday to Sundays, so I never really went out

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<v Speaker 2>picking out girls. And during that time I was always

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<v Speaker 2>the guy singing in the band and then I'd pack

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<v Speaker 2>up the gear and put in the car and drive home.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, it's like I'm kind of off the leash.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I don't have to I don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>sing thirty songs a night in the band. I have

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<v Speaker 2>really very little responsibility here. I have to sing one

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<v Speaker 2>song a week instead of you know, a hundred. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'll just going party a bit of it. See, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like And I loved it. I really loved the

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<v Speaker 2>I really liked the partying aspect. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if one does this every weekend. It's great fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But the female session was great. But also, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's shallow and it's you know, I'm still looking. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a lover. I'm a lover of love that's taken

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<v Speaker 2>me a while to find that person.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, do you have any crazy sort of fan stories, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as we're saying, obviously the girls did go crazy for you,

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<v Speaker 1>did you have any whether did they stalk idle HQ

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. Did anyone kind of try and

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<v Speaker 1>get in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Or yeah, yeah, there were there are a few girls

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<v Speaker 2>that actually came to the house that tried to tried

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<v Speaker 2>to break in. We had security guards. We had security

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<v Speaker 2>guards there so which was also great to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>people out, but also the were are to keep us in.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's okay. We managed to jump the fence. I

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<v Speaker 2>managed to get all the guys out of the house.

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<v Speaker 2>One night we went to this party in the city

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<v Speaker 2>which had heard about. We've gotten a bit of trouble

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<v Speaker 2>for it, obviously as the ringleader. Obvious we got a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of trouble for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Sebastian there or was he just the goody goody

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<v Speaker 1>in the house?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, and everyone go over out. It might have

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<v Speaker 2>been the top one in the top. I think it was. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>us over the back fence of the next door neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>and ran out their driveway. We all jumped on a

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<v Speaker 2>train into the city and had a massive night. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like on a Sunday night after the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of did people just go crazy when they saw

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<v Speaker 1>you all because you guys were literally sort of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think I feel like you guys were

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous people in Australia at that time, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's the first time we'd really seen a reality show

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<v Speaker 1>like Australian Idol take off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it was pretty it was pretty weird. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't understand it. I still find it weird how people

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk to me in the street like just

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<v Speaker 2>a guy, just the guy. But thank you for your annextion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was. It was. It was pretty wild back then.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still. I mean it's still pretty wild, depending on

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<v Speaker 2>the venue or the time of night that you're out,

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<v Speaker 2>usually alcohol, dependent on how how people treat you as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was, it was. It was pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was the most popular show the country

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<v Speaker 2>I'd ever seen. I think something like that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's still is. I remember Usha telling me not long ago,

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<v Speaker 2>that's still I think that that Grand Final of Australia

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<v Speaker 2>still think the highest rating show in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>That was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, on the flip side, there's themselves. Well on the

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<v Speaker 1>flip side, there's obviously all this admiration that comes with

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<v Speaker 1>the love of Australian idol. This was a time, I suppose,

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<v Speaker 1>when we didn't have social media, but there were internet forums.

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<v Speaker 1>How tough was it facing that online criticism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I remember my brother saying, don't read the forums,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, sure, so I did, and yeah

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<v Speaker 2>there's a bit of a bit of a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>hate floating around for everyone. It wasn't just for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it was for everyone. If you know you had your favorite,

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<v Speaker 2>then you would you would disc the other other, which

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<v Speaker 2>I found really bizarre. I think any kind of faceless media,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's a blog or even newspaper or magazines, can

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<v Speaker 2>get quite vicious because you don't actually have to stand

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<v Speaker 2>there and defend yourself, so people just it brings out

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<v Speaker 2>the I think it sometimes brings out the worst in

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<v Speaker 2>human kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember being pretty disappointed and feeling pretty sad about

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<v Speaker 2>it all, but had a pretty good coping mechanism. I've

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<v Speaker 2>just put that in the box. Rub don't deal with

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<v Speaker 2>that like most I think young people have. Was until

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<v Speaker 2>years later you realize, oh, you can go to therapy,

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about it, you can actually move on with doer.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't have those coping as I said, the

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<v Speaker 2>coping mechanism I head back then was just put it

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<v Speaker 2>in a box and do it all later. But it

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<v Speaker 2>all just builds up, and you know, there's a giant

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<v Speaker 2>amount of sadness that you carry around with.

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<v Speaker 1>You that you don't realize and selling your elimination. You

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<v Speaker 1>have spoken about that you suffered a panic attack after

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<v Speaker 1>being mobbed by a crowd on the Gold Coast. Just

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<v Speaker 1>how tough was that time for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was pretty horrible. Actually, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just all that, I suppose that adrenaline from the showw and.

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<v Speaker 3>The come down all at once, and also the sadness

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<v Speaker 3>that you've been carrying, multiplier with alcohol from that you're

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<v Speaker 3>consuming and also that other people are consuming.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot. I'd experienced a panic attack at

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<v Speaker 2>a shopping center a few weeks earlier that we were

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<v Speaker 2>doing some fignatures, some shining at I'm a quite extroverted

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<v Speaker 2>person for that, so we don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean I'm outward in nature. It means I

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<v Speaker 2>get my energy from other people, from other sources. So

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<v Speaker 2>when there's so much energy coming at me from whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's lots of people, that is actually really quite daunting.

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<v Speaker 2>So this particular yeah, this particular night. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>lots of people just crowding around almost I was getting

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<v Speaker 2>in headlocks and people just wanting like pulling out my

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<v Speaker 2>clothes and pulling at me to get photos or it

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<v Speaker 2>was nothing violent about it, but it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>violent in nature because it wasn't really I wasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>consenting to any of it. I was like just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to walk to you know, I think I was just

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<v Speaker 2>catching up with a matees, just trying to walk to

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<v Speaker 2>the next bar or something. Yeah, the panic attack wasn't great.

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<v Speaker 2>Ended up in a lot of a lot of sadness.

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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't, as I said, didn't really talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it until years later because I thought, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just this is just all part of it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not not something and having you know, suicidal thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>for a for a split second and then it's not

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<v Speaker 2>something I'm we're gonna say, I'm not proud of, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not something I really liked. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a great feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're of close so proud are you, ambassador, And

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, you did bravely share your story on

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC about that moment you did contemplate some you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some you had some sidle thoughts. Can you talk us

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<v Speaker 1>through why it's so important for you to share your

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<v Speaker 1>story like that with people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's because I didn't realize just how once

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<v Speaker 2>you once you kind of once you kind of take

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<v Speaker 2>ownership of it, it diffuses its power over you. And

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<v Speaker 2>that goes through a lot of things, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 2>suicidal thought or whether it's a I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying it just completely just diffuses its power, but it

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<v Speaker 2>does help. Yeah, I think people need to know that

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<v Speaker 2>they're not alone in this, and I think that's the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing. It's human nature. We want to feel a

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<v Speaker 2>part of something. We want to feel we want to

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<v Speaker 2>feel heard, and we want to feel part of a community.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to feel part of something. And if you're

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<v Speaker 2>feeling so alone, you feel like you're the only one

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a really scary place to be. So I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for football people to talk about that anxiety or their

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<v Speaker 2>depression or they're just they're just sadness, just general sadness

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<v Speaker 2>is actually okay. I think people don't talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>with the kind of harp on this idealism that being

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<v Speaker 2>happy or finding happiness or is the thing that is

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<v Speaker 2>the way of life. But some people are just sitting sadness.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you guys have seen that awesome

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<v Speaker 2>Disney movie where there's joy and there's sadness and there's anger,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they're all they're a part of us, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>all equal or equal parts. So I think the reason

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an ambassador for it and outspoken about is because

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<v Speaker 2>it just needs to be talked about, like it just

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<v Speaker 2>we need to break down the stigma of mental health.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm also going to see a regular counselor or

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<v Speaker 2>a cycle psychologist or whatever you whatever you see. I

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<v Speaker 2>think is it doesn't mean that you're crazy. It just

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<v Speaker 2>means that you like to talk about your issues that

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<v Speaker 2>you have and that and like like I saw a hamstring,

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<v Speaker 2>you go to all physios to get it rubbed. Why

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<v Speaker 2>not go see it. It's like to get your brain rubbed.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's pretty much all it is. It should it

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<v Speaker 2>should just be in the social norm for us. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to break down those those barriers so

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<v Speaker 2>there's more people that we can talk talk about stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>so therefore it doesn't become more more of an issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Than it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you think it's also particularly important to be

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<v Speaker 1>having this conversation with young men as well. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the suicide rates in Australia and it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a huge demographic. Is his men sadly?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? One hundred that's so that's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why why I do this, because we sort of have this.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's a strange thing, maybe it's a blokey seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>Still I think lesson left out. If you speak to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of young men these days, they're quite open

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<v Speaker 2>with the feelings. And there's a lot more men's groups

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<v Speaker 2>that are starting up by younger people and older people

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<v Speaker 2>as well, actually that they realize the importance of copmental health.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there's also ratement in Australia for young men's

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<v Speaker 2>it's catastrophic. Whether it's the sadness comes from their upbringing

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<v Speaker 2>or relationships, or whether it's from from from gambling debts

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<v Speaker 2>that they put themselves into, or it's yeah, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>horrible that it's not being brought to the attention of

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<v Speaker 2>the government enough or the government is not doing enough.

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<v Speaker 2>They're coming up with all these all these ways through

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<v Speaker 2>what's the word of master here? They're not doing any

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<v Speaker 2>only there's enough preventative measures being taken place at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so hard as well, because sometimes people can seem

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<v Speaker 1>so happy from the outside and seem like they've got

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<v Speaker 1>it all. And I suppose looking at you when you

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<v Speaker 1>were having these hard times, people would have looked at

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<v Speaker 1>you and gone, oh my god, he's living the life.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it is hard that you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>that thought in people's mind that someone who's depressed or

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<v Speaker 1>going through difficult times is usually down and out, that

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<v Speaker 1>they can't be having a great time, very successful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well, und percent. I think it's always especially

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<v Speaker 2>those people. If you have that person in your life,

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<v Speaker 2>is the person who's always listening to others there, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're prime, prime candidate. It's always good for you

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<v Speaker 2>to check in on them. Yeah, I think most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time it is. It is the friend that you

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<v Speaker 2>have in your friend group. It's the one who's always

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<v Speaker 2>the shoulder. I've got this. The thing I always think

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<v Speaker 2>about when people give their their their energy or they're sad,

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<v Speaker 2>they're sad energy or their their problems to to someone

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<v Speaker 2>that's you're up, you're uplifting it off their shoulders, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're taking it on. I don't know that they're just

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<v Speaker 2>words or they're just feelings or whatever, but that have

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<v Speaker 2>to go. So the energy you have to go somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>and you shouldn't have to carry that. I always thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it with my CYC. I would say, you go

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<v Speaker 2>and talk to someone. Right, you're taking on everyone's stuff

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<v Speaker 2>every day. You have to then offload it to somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>like try to get yourself carbon neutral kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I feel like it's passed the energy around

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<v Speaker 2>and always look after their friend. Who's you know, who's

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<v Speaker 2>the one who's always this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, our mom should probably go on unleash on somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>The amount of stuff from my sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, exactly exactly, and whether it's you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>on a stage in your life or you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your adult enough and your your mum and you yourselves

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<v Speaker 2>are adults, and yeah, definitely pass the energy back between

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<v Speaker 2>between each other. But yeah, I can't recommend going to

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<v Speaker 2>see a counselor or a psych highly enough. The best

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<v Speaker 2>thing about that is you don't actually have to get

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<v Speaker 2>anything back. You don't take on your psych energy. You

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<v Speaker 2>pass it up. It's free. It's not free, but you

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<v Speaker 2>get six years for free from the government, which is

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<v Speaker 2>bloody great that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't realize that. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. If you just go to your GP and

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<v Speaker 2>you sign up for a mental health plan, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>get six three sessions for the psych which is bloody great.

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<v Speaker 2>So good, it's pretty awesome. I think the thing is

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<v Speaker 2>is just saying, oh, I don't want to sign up

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<v Speaker 2>for a mental health plan. That sounds like I'm crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you're not crazy. You just I just think, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we just need to break down that stigma.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's so much taboo around it. It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so stupid. Imagine saying you get free six

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<v Speaker 2>three hudeo second years. Yeah your boody even absolutely for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, are you thankful that in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three when you were on Australian Idol,

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<v Speaker 1>social media wasn't as well as big as it is now.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel sorry for some of the reality TV

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<v Speaker 1>show contestants that are having to put up with the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of trolling they get online? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yes, and no. As I said before, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's good to know who you are and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>build up your self work before you go on those shows.

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<v Speaker 2>It is entirely up to you whether you go on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. It's not it's not entirely after you what

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.520
<v Speaker 2>people say about you. Yeah, I'm kind of glad that

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<v Speaker 2>I went in there at a time where there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>as much. I think people just need to be a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more kind and compassion compassionate. I had a friend

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<v Speaker 2>write something on Facebook during the week Casey and we're

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<v Speaker 2>all good friends with Casey, and she was on Eurovision

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<v Speaker 2>some contrast during the week and didn't didn't win, and

0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 2>people were saying all this hateful stuff about the about

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<v Speaker 2>the winner. I didn't, I didn't see any of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was overseas. My friend said, hey, guys, we're all

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<v Speaker 2>this industry together. We're all active singers, dancing, we're all performers,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know what it's like to be on the

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<v Speaker 2>receiving end of of this. So just because your friend

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<v Speaker 2>didn't win, maybe just be thankful that she made it

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place, or congratulate the person who did win.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop stop spending this this hatred. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 2>the hatred is coming from, coming from Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still I think Facebook and Twitter and sometimes Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>comments and can bring out the worst in can bring

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<v Speaker 2>out the worst in us.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, definitely. I listened to a lot of Gary V.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you listen to him, but he

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<v Speaker 1>does talk a lot about sometimes the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>putting those hateful comments out of the people that need a.

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<v Speaker 2>Big hug, I totally agree, they're the people that they

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<v Speaker 2>definitely need the most, the most hugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And I mean moving on since your

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<v Speaker 1>stint on Australian Idol, you've had an incredibly successful career

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.480
<v Speaker 1>in musical theater. What is it that you love most

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<v Speaker 1>about being on stage?

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<v Speaker 2>I think for musical For me, for musical theater, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's still the most powerful form of storytelling that

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.679
<v Speaker 2>there is that we have. So you combine the script,

0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 2>you can bind the music, and also then you combine dance.

0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I just thinks, and also it's live. What an incredible

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.280
<v Speaker 2>medium to do. That's like three forms of storytelling all

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 2>in one, and when you nail it's just it's sublime.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's there's only a few I will probably

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 2>get yelled out by the musical theater of purists. Here,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an a few for me that I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>massive lover of musical theater. I'm just a massive lover

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 2>of storytelling and good art, and so The Wicked, I think,

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:49.440
<v Speaker 2>really ticks all those boxes, the storytelling of it's the

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.199
<v Speaker 2>first sort of show with two female leads. It's all

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:58.159
<v Speaker 2>that female empowerment where the prince is the supporting the

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<v Speaker 2>supporting role, which which then you know spur on shows

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 2>like like Frozen and Frozen being the first kind of

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.399
<v Speaker 2>Disney movie where you didn't have to have a prince

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 2>to save the day. It's it's the love of the

0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 2>two sisters that is the thing that makes some better people.

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that's I think it's a really strong message

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 2>to show young women and also to show young boys.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but musical theater is yeah, went done right

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 2>is just it's fantastic. There's a show like Jersey Boys

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:33.840
<v Speaker 2>is an incredible jukebox musical, And I went to a

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Waitress Overseas, which is another really fun, really fun show. Yeah,

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 2>there's something there's something still to be said about. I mean,

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.199
<v Speaker 2>we love sitting in front of our TVs and our

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 2>big screens and watching Binging, you know, Binging, a Netflix series.

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<v Speaker 2>There's I think the theater will still thrive in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I read a stat something last year about

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<v Speaker 2>it's still one of the biggest forms of tourism in

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 2>every city every year is the theater. The people will

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>keep going to see live theater because there is the

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:08.360
<v Speaker 2>live aspect of it. Something could go wrong at any moment,

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 2>and also it's thrilling, definitely.

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, other than the theater, you're obviously on Neighbors as well.

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>What was it like being asked to be on such

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>an iconic Australian show.

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's a dream come true. I grew up around

0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 2>the corner from Neighbors actually, so about two suburbs away.

0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I used to play baseball behind where they film Neighbors,

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>behind Ramsey Street, so I would see those. I would

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 2>see the vans where they parked them in the car park,

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>and you know the green rooms or the Star the

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Star trucks, just hoping to catch a glimpse, catch a

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>glimpse of all the Neighbors stars back in the day.

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 2>But now yeah, so I've been on there for three

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 2>years on and off. This last year I've been in

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 2>full time as a character which has been really, really,

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 2>really tough. They say that it's a really great training

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 2>ground for young actors, and it really is a good schooling.

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the last month I was on the show,

0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I think I shot one hundred and fifty scenes in

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 2>four weeks. Oh gosh, which is a lot. Cons if

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you're usually you know about fifteen to twenty scenes a

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>week usually, So it was like, yeah, it was it

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>was a lot. It was a lot too. Yeah. So

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 2>it has been sort of a dream coming true. And

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I've learned so much from all the actors on days,

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 2>like Jackie wood Burn and Alan Fletcher and Rymelan. He's

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 2>just so to gun.

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Did they all live up to the reputation? You know, like,

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>obviously everyone watches Carl and Susan and as you say, Tony,

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:53.879
<v Speaker 1>obviously you've mentioned their real names, but I'm just going

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to call them Carl, Susan and Toty. Did they live

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 1>to their characters on the show or are they completely

0:26:58.840 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>different to what you see?

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 2>No, just super lovely humans. I mean different different they're

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>playing I think, different versions of themselves. But no, they're

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:14.919
<v Speaker 2>just lovely, loving humans who from the first day they

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 2>just there to help like, because they've been like mentors

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 2>for me throughout my time on the show. I went

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and did some publicity with Jackie in London a few

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 2>years ago. We had this, We had this wonderful dinner

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 2>and I just said to her, I don't know if

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>you realize this, but like many children, you basically raised me.

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I would come home and maybe what she dream when

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I was having dinner. So yeah, that was my mother.

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 2>But there's also you. So she's raised so many children

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:47.640
<v Speaker 2>across Australia and at the UK.

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 1>She would have been a bloody superstar in the UK.

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Were people just lining up to take photos with it?

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, They're like, who are you on

0:27:58.160 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 2>the show?

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Now?

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you find the time to do it.

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 1>But you've also ventured into the world of business, starting

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>your own talent management agency. What inspired you to start

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the business? Oh?

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Look, to be honest, guys, it's just me at the moment.

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm just repping myself. I realized, after several years paying

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 2>management of your wage, I went, this is just ridiculous.

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 2>They answered the phone, they answer emails, and I realized

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I've got a phone number, and I've got an email

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>address and I'm not bad at the chat, so I

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>decided to steal it myself. I think in the future

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll definitely branch out and take take on more people.

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've always been a mentor for other up

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>and coming performers and always happy to give advice. I

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>think it because I've worked in all forms of different

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 2>media or mediums, so like whether it's TV, film, in

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the music industry or the music called the musicals. So

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've got a pretty good network of

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 2>people and an understanding of each industry. So I think, yeah,

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 2>definitely down the track. But at this stage, I just

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm still too busy myself to to look after anyone else.

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 2>But I think, yeah, I keep saying to my partner,

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 2>She's like, you definitely should do it, Okay, but not

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>just yet. I think I still I still want to

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 2>work on myself.

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>We'll talking about Georgie, your beautiful partner, who's an amazing

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>reporter on the ABC. We hear that you may have

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>slid into a d MS and that's how you guys

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>got together. Is that true?

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 2>This is true? Yeah. A couple of years ago, I

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>picked on the TV over summer and I'm a lover

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 2>of I'm an old guy, so I'm a lover of ABC.

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 2>So I noticed that there was a new sports presenter

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 2>on the show on ABC Breakfast, and I quickly googled

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 2>who the hell is the new sports girl on ABC?

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I think pretty much for it for it and I

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 2>realized that Georgie Tunney we have mutual friends, and I

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>sent her a dmy on Instagram.

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>What was her reaction?

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Uh, To be honest, it took a few days for

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>her to reply, and she's obviously seeing someone, But I

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>just said, I noticed that your news in Melbourne, and

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I know what it's like to be new in a

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>new city, and if you'd like someone to take it

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 2>around and I'll show you that, show you some good

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>coffee spots. Been more than happy to be a tour

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 2>guide for you. And I took a few days for

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 2>her to get back to me, And anyway, we we

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't really see each other for about two or three months,

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 2>but I invited her to my opening night. I was

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 2>doing a play called Puffs, which is a Harry Potter

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of very funny, a forward way play. So she

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 2>came to opening night and yeah, we've been dating everything.

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh, so she was negging you. I've heard that. I've

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>only recently heard that saying negging late.

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>That's what that's my thought. But then I realized she's

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 2>just really not cool and doesn't even know anything about

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 2>dating or begging. She's just a really lovely kind Uh. Yeah,

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 2>she's a dark I would like to say she's a

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>hot nerd. Yeah, so she's she has no idea about

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought that that's what she's doing. She's a bit

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>of a you know, she's a bit of a place.

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>She's flame me here. She just had no idea.

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>So obviously she's a reporter, and sof and I are

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>both journalists, so we know what the reality of living

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>with journalists are who pick up on your spelling and

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of thing. What did you discover dating

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 1>a journalist or what have you discovered?

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>I think the hardest thing is Georgie work's breakfast television,

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>so she's up at three and every day. So it's

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I live with someone who's permanently got jet lag. So

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty pretty hard, I think at times just for

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 2>her to keep her energy up, and then there's times

0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 2>she's like I want to stay up and you know,

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 2>I want to start with you, and at nighttime I

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 2>go to bed because if you don't go to bed,

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be tired tomorrow. And then it just

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>keeps escalating on snowballing. So I think at times it's

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.959
<v Speaker 2>been hard because of lack of you get a lack

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>of sleep. But as far as the spelling, I'm also

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 2>grabbing Nazi, so we get along really well. There.

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh that taaps good. I love it. We do have

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>some quick fire questions for you if you're happy to

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>take apart. Sorry, this is really bad when you've got

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>jet lag, because we'll just fire them at you. So

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>what's your favorite TV show? At the moment.

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 2>I showed that I don't miss is? Have you been

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>paying attention?

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I thought you were going to say neighbors for a sect?

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>What's the best perk of being on neighbors?

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 2>The best perk.

0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Other than hanging out with Jackie?

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 2>The best is the best. The best thing I suppose

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 2>is learning scripts and having having to learn scripts every day.

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>It really it teaches your brain how to how to

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 2>pick up how to pick up scripts, which is really

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>really it's a really good skill to have.

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>That's great. Dog or cats?

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Dogs?

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Damn it. Sorry, we're cat lovers here at outspoken Carl

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>or Susan.

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Don't do that. That's that's too heart Now, come on, it's.

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Their characters, so we're not saying Jackie or Alan then Susan.

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Most you'll see why, you'll see wine a few months.

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, excellent. Most famous person.

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 2>You've met, oh, look, most famous to me is still

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>John Farnam, so I'll say John Fardam, I bloody love it,

0:33:58.000 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>love it.

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Now. We know you don't need dating apps because you

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>use Instagram, But what's your thoughts on dating apps?

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I used the dating apps for a little while, and

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I look, I've heard some really great stories. But I

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>also I don't know whether people didn't realize it was me,

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>or didn't recognize it was me, or I just wasn't

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 2>getting the matches that I thought I was going to get.

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>People probably thought you were a fake, like this is not.

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 2>But I wandered a few days, and I think for me,

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:36.279
<v Speaker 2>it was make sure you look like the person that's

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 2>on your photos. Don't put a filter on on your

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 2>on your photos and put a photo up that's actually

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.800
<v Speaker 2>so when the person meets you, they go, oh, that's it.

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 2>You look like the person in your photo.

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I've heard your men to put up a worse photo,

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>so people go, wow, they were even better than their photos.

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Great, that's even better then. I love I love that.

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that that for me, I learned a few dates. Wow,

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>you have not lied to me.

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>What a deal break is in a relationship for you?

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Not looking like your Tinder photo?

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, filters, Uh, No, deal breakers like lack of kindness.

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm pretty good. I'm a pretty good like.

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 2>There's a rule I think a lot of people use

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>is if you're kind. If you're not kind of white stuff,

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and then you're not a good person.

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:40.360
<v Speaker 1>It's a good one. Yeah, definitely.

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it's a pretty good gauge if you

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:46.800
<v Speaker 2>think you're above anyone else. Yeah, the good gage is

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>is white stuff. I think hospitality. If you're route to

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.640
<v Speaker 2>the bartender or to the waiter, you're like, no, you're not,

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>you're not a good person.

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 1>That's a good one. Another dating question, who should pay

0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>on a first date?

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:06.879
<v Speaker 2>Whoever wants to pay? I love that quality guys, that's right. Yeah,

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 2>whoever like you might want to. I mean I'll always offer,

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 2>but if they want to pay as well, then I

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 2>think we live in a world now where I mean,

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I know that the pay gap is still ridiculous, but

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 2>we still live in a world I think where we

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 2>need to empower women, and I don't think, well, I

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:27.919
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I would like to think that women don't

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 2>need to be paid paid for. I mean, but there's

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 2>not to say that that men shouldn't definitely offer. I

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 2>think there's still as a weird gray area there isn't it.

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Men should be chivalrous yet not too overpowering. Good luck,

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 2>we're that guys. It's a kind of weird area that

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 2>we're living in now. But I like to think that

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:52.399
<v Speaker 2>it goes, it goes both ways.

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I love that answer. Lastly, thoughts on Lindsay Lohan judging

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the masked singer.

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.879
<v Speaker 2>She has no idea who anyone? Why is she there?

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 2>She didn't I saw it at the races. I don't

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 2>think she even recognized it.

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, it's a wolf. Come on, we picked you as

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the wolf for the second. We picked you as the

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 1>wolf the second you were on, Like the first song,

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 1>We're like, that's milsy. As I'm sure a.

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Lot of people it was pretty. It's pretty. It was

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>the worst kept secret. Also, I feel like those producers

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 2>basically told my life story in the first line of clues.

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 2>So they're not really close mate, that's just my resume now.

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, super fun times. I think I think he's

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I think he's a good value.

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, got a lover her on me and girls. I

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 1>was gonna We just wanted to finish up the interview

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<v Speaker 1>by sort of hoping you can help us relive our

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<v Speaker 1>teenage years. We loved your album up all night. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was the most underrated Australian idol album.

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<v Speaker 2>People, not as fans, industry people as well. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>But all the songs are amazing. I suppose be cause

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<v Speaker 1>guys first album they were sort of written for I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose any of you guys. But can you sing us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of dirty Girl? It was our favorite?

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<v Speaker 1>If you remember it?

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<v Speaker 2>I do, I do remember it? But can I can

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<v Speaker 2>I politely pass and you just play play it? Play

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<v Speaker 2>it in the podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>What about a line? Just a line?

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<v Speaker 2>Girl? Oh yeah, sure, ebscellute love it?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, MILSI Well, actually I lie. We'll just ask

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<v Speaker 1>you one more question. What have you got planned for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty looks like I'm hoping to get my UKVS

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<v Speaker 2>out and move over to London and try try and

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<v Speaker 2>get on a West End shore. That's that's my that's

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<v Speaker 2>my dream this year. And also I will finally now

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<v Speaker 2>that I have some time this year, finish writing this

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<v Speaker 2>new one man show of mine. So that's I did

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<v Speaker 2>a show in twenty fifteen called Rob Mills Are Surprisingly Good,

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<v Speaker 2>which was surprisingly good the Cabaret the Sydney Theater Awards.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am hoping to add to that to just yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just do a new show about my thoughts and my

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<v Speaker 2>love of Australia. So it'll be an ausy kind of show,

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<v Speaker 2>but fun and entertaining and thought provoking. That's the plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, we can't wait to see it. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much again for joining us. We've had such a

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<v Speaker 1>great time chatting with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks guys, thanks for having.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, No right, thank you, thank you so much for listening.

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