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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to another episode of Outspoken as Usual.

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Speaker 1: You're joined by journalists Amy and Sophie Torber And on

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Speaker 1: today's episode of Under the Influence, we are so excited

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Speaker 1: to be joined by Rob Milsey Mills. Now, for those

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Speaker 1: who aren't like Sophie and I and who are totally

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Speaker 1: obsessed with MILLSI when we're fourteen. Rob rose to stardom

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Speaker 1: as a finalist on Australian Idol in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: Since then, he's carved out a successful career in musical

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Speaker 1: theater and scored himself a role on Australia's longest running soap. Neighbors.

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Speaker 1: Get set for a fun chat where we discuss bathroom

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Speaker 1: etiquette whilst holiday with a partner. We find out all

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Speaker 1: the goss on what really happened in the Australian Idol mansion,

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Speaker 1: and we also find out how Millsy caught the attention

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Speaker 1: of his journalist's girlfriend, Georgie. We also discussed some pretty

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Speaker 1: serious matters involving mental health, so if you are struggling,

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Speaker 1: please call Lifeline. On thirteen eleven fourteen, Welcome back to Australia.

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Speaker 1: I've seen via your Instagram some pretty amazing snaps of

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Speaker 1: you and your lovely girlfriend Georgie in Europe. How was

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Speaker 1: the trip?

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Speaker 2: Oh, incredible, it was really it was the first time

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Speaker 2: that Georgie and I had been on a big holiday together.

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Speaker 2: So four weeks alone with your partner is I think

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Speaker 2: it's always it's always daunting but also exciting, and it's

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Speaker 2: proved to work out really well, like we've definitely taken

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Speaker 2: our relationship to the next level. But yeah, we went

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Speaker 2: to some really beautiful places. I think probably one of

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Speaker 2: my favorites. Our favorite was Kyoto to going up to

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Speaker 2: Fashimi and Ari the mountain with all the shrines, the

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Speaker 2: going to Tokyo and over to London, and then we

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Speaker 2: went to Paris and Brussels and Dubai on the way home.

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Speaker 2: So it was a pretty extensive trip. But always we

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Speaker 2: always realize, I said, the joy every time we're coming

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Speaker 2: back astray is really how lucky we are here obviously,

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Speaker 2: just economically with so much it was so much better

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Speaker 2: off than a lot of other countries around the world.

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Speaker 2: We're not fighting for space even in our even in

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Speaker 2: our cities, and just yeah, we just we've just got

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Speaker 2: We're so lucky to have been to being brought up here.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a good Yeah. I don't think many people

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Speaker 2: we've actually I mean, it's beautiful in London and in Paris,

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Speaker 2: all the beautiful buildings, but everything's old. Everything's new here,

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Speaker 2: and it's from all the mistakes of past civilizations. We've

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Speaker 2: we've done pretty well here. I mean, apart from our.

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Speaker 2: Lack of love for having indigenous we've we've we've done

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Speaker 1: Now you've answered so beautifully. But I want to go

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Speaker 1: back to the fact that this is your first holiday

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Speaker 1: away with your girlfriend, because as I went to Europe

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Speaker 1: with my boyfriend last year and what we found difficult

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Speaker 1: was the toilet etiquette on a holiday because sometimes those

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Speaker 1: all of that or any funny stories along the way?

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously when you first go to Tokyo, so

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Speaker 2: we're first going to Japan, Yeah, couldn't wait to use

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Speaker 2: the the bubblers, you know, couldn't wait to use I

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Speaker 2: don't know what you call them, but they're fantastic, and

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Speaker 2: both of us have decided we definitely want to get

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Speaker 2: one of those toilets. It plays music for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's good.

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Speaker 2: The seats are always warm, and I couldn't wait to

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Speaker 2: ask her if she's you know, she's the the bubbler.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think we had I think we

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Speaker 1: Now. Now, I thought we go back by talking going

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Speaker 1: back to two thousand and three when we all first

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Speaker 1: met you on Australian Idol. You were only twenty one

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Speaker 1: at the time, which is pretty crazy, and you became

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Speaker 1: an instant household name. What was that time like in

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Speaker 2: It was it was fun, super fun for a young

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Speaker 2: as much self worth as probably needed to go on

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Speaker 2: which is kind of difficult to figure that out in

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Speaker 2: and I was like, sure, I'll be that party guy

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Speaker 2: Alarak and you need me to be like sure, that's

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Speaker 2: kind of who I was. But years later, you know,

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Speaker 2: I realized that I'm not really that guy, so I've

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Speaker 1: Well, I suppose it's hard because people do forget you

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Speaker 1: were so young when you're on Australian idol and I

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Speaker 1: it got thrown on you, but you were the heart

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Speaker 2: I was okay, it was as I said, I'd worked

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Speaker 2: those formative teenage years where people will go out to

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Speaker 2: So for me, it's like I'm kind of off the leash.

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Speaker 2: And also I don't have to I don't have to

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Speaker 2: sing thirty songs a night in the band. I have

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Speaker 2: really very little responsibility here. I have to sing one

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'll just going party a bit of it. See, well,

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Speaker 2: that's like And I loved it. I really loved the

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Speaker 2: I really liked the partying aspect. I was like, I

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Speaker 2: wonder if one does this every weekend. It's great fun.

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Speaker 2: But the female session was great. But also, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's shallow and it's you know, I'm still looking. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a lover. I'm a lover of love that's taken

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Speaker 1: Oh, do you have any crazy sort of fan stories, because,

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Speaker 1: as we're saying, obviously the girls did go crazy for you,

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Speaker 1: did you have any whether did they stalk idle HQ

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, yeah, there were there are a few girls

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Speaker 2: But it's okay. We managed to jump the fence. I

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Speaker 2: One night we went to this party in the city

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and everyone go over out. It might have

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Speaker 1: that's the first time we'd really seen a reality show

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was pretty it was pretty weird. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was. It was pretty wild back then.

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Speaker 2: it's still is. I remember Usha telling me not long ago,

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Speaker 2: that's still I think that that Grand Final of Australia

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Speaker 1: Well, on the flip side, there's themselves. Well on the

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Speaker 1: flip side, there's obviously all this admiration that comes with

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Speaker 1: the love of Australian idol. This was a time, I suppose,

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Speaker 1: when we didn't have social media, but there were internet forums.

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Speaker 1: How tough was it facing that online criticism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember my brother saying, don't read the forums,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, sure, so I did, and yeah

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Speaker 2: I remember being pretty disappointed and feeling pretty sad about

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Speaker 2: of storytelling and good art, and so The Wicked, I think,

434
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: really ticks all those boxes, the storytelling of it's the

435
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 2: first sort of show with two female leads. It's all

436
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: that female empowerment where the prince is the supporting the

437
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: supporting role, which which then you know spur on shows

438
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: like like Frozen and Frozen being the first kind of

439
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: Disney movie where you didn't have to have a prince

440
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: to save the day. It's it's the love of the

441
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: two sisters that is the thing that makes some better people.

442
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: I think that's I think it's a really strong message

443
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: to show young women and also to show young boys.

444
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, but musical theater is yeah, went done right

445
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: is just it's fantastic. There's a show like Jersey Boys

446
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: is an incredible jukebox musical, And I went to a

447
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: Waitress Overseas, which is another really fun, really fun show. Yeah,

448
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: there's something there's something still to be said about. I mean,

449
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 2: we love sitting in front of our TVs and our

450
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: big screens and watching Binging, you know, Binging, a Netflix series.

451
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: There's I think the theater will still thrive in this country.

452
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: I think I read a stat something last year about

453
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: it's still one of the biggest forms of tourism in

454
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: every city every year is the theater. The people will

455
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: keep going to see live theater because there is the

456
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 2: live aspect of it. Something could go wrong at any moment,

457
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: and also it's thrilling, definitely.

458
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: Well, other than the theater, you're obviously on Neighbors as well.

459
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: What was it like being asked to be on such

460
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: an iconic Australian show.

461
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a dream come true. I grew up around

462
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: the corner from Neighbors actually, so about two suburbs away.

463
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 2: I used to play baseball behind where they film Neighbors,

464
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: behind Ramsey Street, so I would see those. I would

465
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: see the vans where they parked them in the car park,

466
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: and you know the green rooms or the Star the

467
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: Star trucks, just hoping to catch a glimpse, catch a

468
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: glimpse of all the Neighbors stars back in the day.

469
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: But now yeah, so I've been on there for three

470
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: years on and off. This last year I've been in

471
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: full time as a character which has been really, really,

472
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: really tough. They say that it's a really great training

473
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: ground for young actors, and it really is a good schooling.

474
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: I think the last month I was on the show,

475
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: I think I shot one hundred and fifty scenes in

476
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: four weeks. Oh gosh, which is a lot. Cons if

477
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: you're usually you know about fifteen to twenty scenes a

478
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: week usually, So it was like, yeah, it was it

479
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: was a lot. It was a lot too. Yeah. So

480
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: it has been sort of a dream coming true. And

481
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: I've learned so much from all the actors on days,

482
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: like Jackie wood Burn and Alan Fletcher and Rymelan. He's

483
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: just so to gun.

484
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: Did they all live up to the reputation? You know, like,

485
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: obviously everyone watches Carl and Susan and as you say, Tony,

486
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: obviously you've mentioned their real names, but I'm just going

487
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: to call them Carl, Susan and Toty. Did they live

488
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: to their characters on the show or are they completely

489
00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: different to what you see?

490
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: No, just super lovely humans. I mean different different they're

491
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: playing I think, different versions of themselves. But no, they're

492
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: just lovely, loving humans who from the first day they

493
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: just there to help like, because they've been like mentors

494
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: for me throughout my time on the show. I went

495
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: and did some publicity with Jackie in London a few

496
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: years ago. We had this, We had this wonderful dinner

497
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: and I just said to her, I don't know if

498
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: you realize this, but like many children, you basically raised me.

499
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: I would come home and maybe what she dream when

500
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: I was having dinner. So yeah, that was my mother.

501
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: But there's also you. So she's raised so many children

502
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: across Australia and at the UK.

503
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: She would have been a bloody superstar in the UK.

504
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: Were people just lining up to take photos with it?

505
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, They're like, who are you on

506
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: the show?

507
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: Now?

508
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how you find the time to do it.

509
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: But you've also ventured into the world of business, starting

510
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: your own talent management agency. What inspired you to start

511
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: the business? Oh?

512
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: Look, to be honest, guys, it's just me at the moment.

513
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: I'm just repping myself. I realized, after several years paying

514
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: management of your wage, I went, this is just ridiculous.

515
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: They answered the phone, they answer emails, and I realized

516
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: I've got a phone number, and I've got an email

517
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: address and I'm not bad at the chat, so I

518
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: decided to steal it myself. I think in the future

519
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: I'll definitely branch out and take take on more people.

520
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I've always been a mentor for other up

521
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: and coming performers and always happy to give advice. I

522
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: think it because I've worked in all forms of different

523
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: media or mediums, so like whether it's TV, film, in

524
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: the music industry or the music called the musicals. So

525
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: I feel like I've got a pretty good network of

526
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: people and an understanding of each industry. So I think, yeah,

527
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: definitely down the track. But at this stage, I just

528
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm still too busy myself to to look after anyone else.

529
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, I keep saying to my partner,

530
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: She's like, you definitely should do it, Okay, but not

531
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: just yet. I think I still I still want to

532
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: work on myself.

533
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: We'll talking about Georgie, your beautiful partner, who's an amazing

534
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: reporter on the ABC. We hear that you may have

535
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: slid into a d MS and that's how you guys

536
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: got together. Is that true?

537
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: This is true? Yeah. A couple of years ago, I

538
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: picked on the TV over summer and I'm a lover

539
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: of I'm an old guy, so I'm a lover of ABC.

540
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: So I noticed that there was a new sports presenter

541
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: on the show on ABC Breakfast, and I quickly googled

542
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: who the hell is the new sports girl on ABC?

543
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: I think pretty much for it for it and I

544
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: realized that Georgie Tunney we have mutual friends, and I

545
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: sent her a dmy on Instagram.

546
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: What was her reaction?

547
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: Uh, To be honest, it took a few days for

548
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: her to reply, and she's obviously seeing someone, But I

549
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: just said, I noticed that your news in Melbourne, and

550
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: I know what it's like to be new in a

551
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: new city, and if you'd like someone to take it

552
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: around and I'll show you that, show you some good

553
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: coffee spots. Been more than happy to be a tour

554
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: guide for you. And I took a few days for

555
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: her to get back to me, And anyway, we we

556
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: didn't really see each other for about two or three months,

557
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: but I invited her to my opening night. I was

558
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: doing a play called Puffs, which is a Harry Potter

559
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: kind of very funny, a forward way play. So she

560
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: came to opening night and yeah, we've been dating everything.

561
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: Oh, so she was negging you. I've heard that. I've

562
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: only recently heard that saying negging late.

563
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: That's what that's my thought. But then I realized she's

564
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: just really not cool and doesn't even know anything about

565
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: dating or begging. She's just a really lovely kind Uh. Yeah,

566
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: she's a dark I would like to say she's a

567
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: hot nerd. Yeah, so she's she has no idea about

568
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: I thought that that's what she's doing. She's a bit

569
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: of a you know, she's a bit of a place.

570
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: She's flame me here. She just had no idea.

571
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: So obviously she's a reporter, and sof and I are

572
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: both journalists, so we know what the reality of living

573
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: with journalists are who pick up on your spelling and

574
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing. What did you discover dating

575
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: a journalist or what have you discovered?

576
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: I think the hardest thing is Georgie work's breakfast television,

577
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: so she's up at three and every day. So it's

578
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: I live with someone who's permanently got jet lag. So

579
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: that's pretty pretty hard, I think at times just for

580
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: her to keep her energy up, and then there's times

581
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: she's like I want to stay up and you know,

582
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: I want to start with you, and at nighttime I

583
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: go to bed because if you don't go to bed,

584
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: you're going to be tired tomorrow. And then it just

585
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: keeps escalating on snowballing. So I think at times it's

586
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: been hard because of lack of you get a lack

587
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: of sleep. But as far as the spelling, I'm also

588
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: grabbing Nazi, so we get along really well. There.

589
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: Oh that taaps good. I love it. We do have

590
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: some quick fire questions for you if you're happy to

591
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: take apart. Sorry, this is really bad when you've got

592
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: jet lag, because we'll just fire them at you. So

593
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: what's your favorite TV show? At the moment.

594
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: I showed that I don't miss is? Have you been

595
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: paying attention?

596
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say neighbors for a sect?

597
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: What's the best perk of being on neighbors?

598
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: The best perk.

599
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: Other than hanging out with Jackie?

600
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: The best is the best. The best thing I suppose

601
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: is learning scripts and having having to learn scripts every day.

602
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: It really it teaches your brain how to how to

603
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: pick up how to pick up scripts, which is really

604
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: really it's a really good skill to have.

605
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: That's great. Dog or cats?

606
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: Dogs?

607
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: Damn it. Sorry, we're cat lovers here at outspoken Carl

608
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: or Susan.

609
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: Don't do that. That's that's too heart Now, come on, it's.

610
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: Their characters, so we're not saying Jackie or Alan then Susan.

611
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: Most you'll see why, you'll see wine a few months.

612
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: Okay, excellent. Most famous person.

613
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: You've met, oh, look, most famous to me is still

614
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: John Farnam, so I'll say John Fardam, I bloody love it,

615
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: love it.

616
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: Now. We know you don't need dating apps because you

617
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: use Instagram, But what's your thoughts on dating apps?

618
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: I used the dating apps for a little while, and

619
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: I look, I've heard some really great stories. But I

620
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: also I don't know whether people didn't realize it was me,

621
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: or didn't recognize it was me, or I just wasn't

622
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: getting the matches that I thought I was going to get.

623
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: People probably thought you were a fake, like this is not.

624
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: But I wandered a few days, and I think for me,

625
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: it was make sure you look like the person that's

626
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: on your photos. Don't put a filter on on your

627
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: on your photos and put a photo up that's actually

628
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: so when the person meets you, they go, oh, that's it.

629
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: You look like the person in your photo.

630
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: I've heard your men to put up a worse photo,

631
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: so people go, wow, they were even better than their photos.

632
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: Great, that's even better then. I love I love that.

633
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: I think that that for me, I learned a few dates. Wow,

634
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: you have not lied to me.

635
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: What a deal break is in a relationship for you?

636
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: Not looking like your Tinder photo?

637
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, filters, Uh, No, deal breakers like lack of kindness.

638
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty good. I'm a pretty good like.

639
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: There's a rule I think a lot of people use

640
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: is if you're kind. If you're not kind of white stuff,

641
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: and then you're not a good person.

642
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: It's a good one. Yeah, definitely.

643
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a pretty good gauge if you

644
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: think you're above anyone else. Yeah, the good gage is

645
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: is white stuff. I think hospitality. If you're route to

646
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: the bartender or to the waiter, you're like, no, you're not,

647
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: you're not a good person.

648
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Another dating question, who should pay

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Speaker 1: on a first date?

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Speaker 2: Whoever wants to pay? I love that quality guys, that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: whoever like you might want to. I mean I'll always offer,

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Speaker 2: but if they want to pay as well, then I

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Speaker 2: think we live in a world now where I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know that the pay gap is still ridiculous, but

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Speaker 2: we still live in a world I think where we

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Speaker 2: need to empower women, and I don't think, well, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I would like to think that women don't

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Speaker 2: need to be paid paid for. I mean, but there's

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Speaker 2: not to say that that men shouldn't definitely offer. I

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Speaker 2: think there's still as a weird gray area there isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Men should be chivalrous yet not too overpowering. Good luck,

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Speaker 2: we're that guys. It's a kind of weird area that

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Speaker 2: we're living in now. But I like to think that

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Speaker 2: it goes, it goes both ways.

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Speaker 1: I love that answer. Lastly, thoughts on Lindsay Lohan judging

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Speaker 1: the masked singer.

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Speaker 2: She has no idea who anyone? Why is she there?

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Speaker 2: She didn't I saw it at the races. I don't

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Speaker 2: think she even recognized it.

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Speaker 1: Like, it's a wolf. Come on, we picked you as

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Speaker 1: the wolf for the second. We picked you as the

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Speaker 1: wolf the second you were on, Like the first song,

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Speaker 1: We're like, that's milsy. As I'm sure a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of people it was pretty. It's pretty. It was

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Speaker 2: the worst kept secret. Also, I feel like those producers

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Speaker 2: basically told my life story in the first line of clues.

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Speaker 2: So they're not really close mate, that's just my resume now.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, super fun times. I think I think he's

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Speaker 2: I think he's a good value.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got a lover her on me and girls. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna We just wanted to finish up the interview

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Speaker 1: by sort of hoping you can help us relive our

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Speaker 1: teenage years. We loved your album up all night. I

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Speaker 1: think it was the most underrated Australian idol album.

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Speaker 2: People, not as fans, industry people as well. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: But all the songs are amazing. I suppose be cause

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Speaker 1: guys first album they were sort of written for I

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Speaker 1: suppose any of you guys. But can you sing us

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Speaker 1: a little bit of dirty Girl? It was our favorite?

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Speaker 1: If you remember it?

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Speaker 2: I do, I do remember it? But can I can

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Speaker 2: I politely pass and you just play play it? Play

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Speaker 2: it in the podcast?

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Speaker 1: What about a line? Just a line?

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Speaker 2: Girl? Oh yeah, sure, ebscellute love it?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, MILSI Well, actually I lie. We'll just ask

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Speaker 1: you one more question. What have you got planned for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty?

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty looks like I'm hoping to get my UKVS

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Speaker 2: out and move over to London and try try and

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Speaker 2: get on a West End shore. That's that's my that's

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Speaker 2: my dream this year. And also I will finally now

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Speaker 2: that I have some time this year, finish writing this

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Speaker 2: new one man show of mine. So that's I did

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Speaker 2: a show in twenty fifteen called Rob Mills Are Surprisingly Good,

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Speaker 2: which was surprisingly good the Cabaret the Sydney Theater Awards.

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Speaker 2: So I am hoping to add to that to just yeah,

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Speaker 2: just do a new show about my thoughts and my

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Speaker 2: love of Australia. So it'll be an ausy kind of show,

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Speaker 2: but fun and entertaining and thought provoking. That's the plan.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, we can't wait to see it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much again for joining us. We've had such a

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Speaker 1: great time chatting with you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, thanks for having.

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Speaker 1: Me, No right, thank you, thank you so much for listening.

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