1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Happy Saturday. TDA listeners, coming into your ears this weekend 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: with a special bonus episode of The Daily Os. As 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: we head towards the end of the year, you might 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: find yourself having a bit more time on the weekend, 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: So we thought we would drop in episodes of Young 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Dumb and Informed, our hit other podcast, and see if 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: you like it, to see if it gives you something 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: to think about on the weekend. First up, we're going 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: to present you with Billy Fitzimon's, our political journalist, her 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: first episode of the series, looking at climate change. Keep 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: an eye out here for some pretty remarkable differences between 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: the Greens and the Nats. I'd love to hear what 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: you think. Dm us on Instagram to give us your 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: thoughts on this show, and we will speak to you 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: on Monday morning. 16 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: Today's episode of Young, Dumb and Informed is brought to 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 2: you by Swish personalized video messages from your favorite sports stars. 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: Swish videos are the gifts that keep on giving, with 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: twenty percent of all proceeds going to local children's charities. 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, how are you? 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 4: Hello? 22 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 5: Hi there, how are you? From The Daily Os. 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: I'm Billy fitz Simon's and this is Young dumb and informed. 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: There is a federal election in the next six months, 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: and we know it can sometimes feel like you need 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: to learn a whole other language before you can understand 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: what is happening inside Parliament House. So over the next 28 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: four episodes, we'll give you the starter pack for some 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: of the biggest political issues in Australia. For each episode, 30 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: I'll speak to three different people with three different perspectives, 31 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: because we want to give you the opportunity to hear 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: from all sides of politics on these election defining issues. 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: We'll look at the challenges of accessing mental health services, 34 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: the circus of Australia's climate change policies, the housing market crisis, 35 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: and First Nation's representation in the Australian Parliament. 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 4: This is Carl, don't. 37 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 6: Be great, don't be scare. 38 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: Treasurer knows the role on crops. 39 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 5: It's Carl. It was dug up. 40 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 6: Why men and women who work and live in the electorates. 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: There's no action by Australia that's going to change the 42 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: temporary lbe at. 43 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 7: All the past and the fact is that our climate 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 7: and energy policies have cost us too recent elections. Australia 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 7: has already seen too many years of divisive politics around 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 7: this issue. This Parliament needs to unite behind a common 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 7: goal to keep our way of life and Australian's safe. 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 2: Today we're exploring Australia's climate change policy and it couldn't 49 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: come at a more important time. Two weeks ago Prime 50 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: Minister Scott Morrison announced Australia would formerly be committing to 51 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: net zero emissions by twenty fifty. Climate change is also 52 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: particularly topical right now as a Glasgow Climate Conference also 53 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: known as COP twenty six finishes up. Over the past 54 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: week week and a half, world leaders from nearly two 55 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: hundred countries have gathered to discuss their plans to tackle 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: climate change. So today we'll be hearing from three different 57 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: perspectives on this critical issue. Firstly, I spoke to Matt Canavan. 58 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 8: Look, I'm a Senator for Queensland. I'm currently in home 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 8: quarantine here in Yupoon, which is just near rock Campton, 60 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 8: where my office is. So I do represent the whole 61 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 8: of Queensland, but I try and focus on central Queensland. 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 8: There's no other senator from Brisbane to Townsville, so it's 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 8: a big area. Lots going on in this part of 64 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 8: the world and it keeps me. 65 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: He's from the National Party, who are the junior partner 66 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: of the coalition. The coalition is the makeup of two 67 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: parties in Australia, the Liberal Party and the National Party, 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: who market themselves as a party for regional Australia. So 69 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: Matt Canavan is part of the Morrison government. And to 70 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: give you context, the Nationals have long argued that action 71 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: on climate change would disproportionately impact regional communities economically, so 72 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: they've always been more hesit to introduce climate action policies. 73 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: I also spoke to Adam Band who is the leader 74 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: of the Greens. 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 9: I'm Adam Band. I'm the third Member of Parliament for 76 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 9: Melbourne and I'm the leader of the Greens. And I 77 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 9: quit my job as a lawyer and started running in 78 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 9: elections and got elected in politics for the Greens because 79 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 9: of climate change. I wanted to see action on the 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 9: climate crisis. 81 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: And the Greens are a minor party, which means they 82 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: aren't one of the big two Liberal or Labor, but 83 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: they do have ten seats in Parliament, so they are important. 84 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: Before I introduce you to the third person, I just 85 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: want to say you might be wondering why I'm speaking 86 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: to a politician from the Greens and a politician from 87 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: the Nationals, considering neither of them are from Australia's two 88 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: major parties when it comes to climate change. The Greens 89 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: and the Nationals are two really significant parties, especially when 90 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: the Nationals are right now part of the elected government 91 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: and have real influence over what Australia's climate change policies 92 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: look like. At the Daily Ods, we believe it's important 93 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: to hear an array of political perspectives, especially when they 94 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: are elected officials, so that you can make a really 95 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: informed decision when you're voting. So the third person I 96 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: spoke to is a regional farmer from New South Wales. 97 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 5: His name is Martin Murray. 98 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: Well, I'm Martin Murray. I'm twenty eight and I've got 99 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: a farm up at de Langer in northwestern New South Wales. 100 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: Martin has lived and worked in the middle of droughts 101 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: and bushfires, the kind of extreme weather events scientists attribute 102 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: to climate change. 103 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: So you know, we've had these fires, we've had this massive, 104 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: massive drought, it's wrapped up for most parts of the 105 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: country now, and we've had a pretty couple of good runs, 106 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: they're still asked, Mary's that are in drought. To me, 107 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: it's that uncertainty from the climate perspective, from we've been told, 108 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: you know, we're going to have more droughts, they're going 109 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: to be worse. Twenty nineteen was the lowest rainfall year 110 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: on record. Where we are at the Lunga, we're in 111 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: a sort of six fifty seven hundred mil rainfall area 112 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: and in twenty nineteen they had less than one hundred mills. 113 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: Like it's yeah, just farming is untenable at that stage, 114 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: and you know everyone was well and truly be stopped 115 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: and looking for sources of revenue elsewhere. And then so 116 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: that's I guess the climate impact. 117 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: Let's start the conversation with what I was talking about before. 118 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: Australia has committed to net zero emissions by twenty fifty, 119 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 2: joining other countries like the US and the UK. 120 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 6: Australians want a plan that gets the balance right and 121 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 6: our plan to reach what will be our new official 122 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 6: target of reaching net zero missions by twenty fifty. Our 123 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 6: plan gets the balance right. 124 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: And before we move on, let me explain exactly what 125 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: that means. Net zero emissions means adding no greenhouse gases 126 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: overall to the atmosphere. It doesn't necessarily mean not emitting 127 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: any carbon dioxide. It just means balancing it out so 128 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: that the net position is zero. So however much you 129 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: put in, you also have to take out. So, like 130 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: I said two weeks ago, Morrison outlined the plan to 131 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: get Australia there. 132 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 6: Our plan is a fair plan, it's a practical plan, 133 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 6: it's a responsible plan. Our plan for net zero by 134 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 6: twenty fifty is the plan that I believe Australians want. 135 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: Although there has been widespread criticism that the plan A 136 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: doesn't give a lot of detail and b doesn't tell 137 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: us anything new because as it says, it's based on 138 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: existing policies. 139 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: And that plan is built on our existing policies. It's 140 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: a plan that will not put industries. 141 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: Here's what Martin said about how he thinks it's being 142 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: received in his regional community. 143 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: I think for the most part, people are pretty well 144 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: on board with it that you know, would like to 145 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: see more detail. You know, if anything, it probably should 146 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: have come sooner, but it is what it is to 147 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: an extent, so plaid, we're there, and yeah, we'd really 148 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: like to see the detail. So we can get into 149 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: the nitty gritty of what it means for our farms 150 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: and our businesses. 151 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, remember he's from the National Party and it's 152 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: currently in government, has been one of the most vocal 153 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: critics of net zero. It's important to understand that because 154 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: the Liberal Party is only in power because of the 155 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: help of the National Party, it was hard for the 156 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: Liberal Party to commit to the net zero emissions policy 157 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: without the support of the Nationals, and gaining that support 158 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: was a really long pro due to the resistance from 159 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: some of the Nationals, including Matt Canavan. Coalition government has 160 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: announced a net zero by twenty fifty target. Recently, you've 161 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: previously said that you were a dead set against net 162 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: zero emissions. Does this mean you've voted against the net 163 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: zero target and if so, why I. 164 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 8: Haven't voted against it at this stage, although I have 165 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 8: promised to do so if it ever comes up in 166 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 8: the Parliament. 167 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: Sorry, just in the party room meeting the Nationals Party. 168 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 8: Yes, yes, I spoke against it. We didn't have a 169 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 8: formal vote in that meeting, but yes, definitely spoke against 170 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 8: it and I'll continue to speak against it because I 171 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 8: don't think it is the right priority for Australia right now. 172 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 2: So Mat Canavan says he's against net zero, but remember 173 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: the Morrison government has committed to it. In an interview 174 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: earlier this year, you said net zero emissions was a slogan, 175 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: not a policy. Do you still believe that? 176 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 8: Look, I believe that even more now after saying that. 177 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 8: The saga that it has been, the Glasgow Climate Conference, 178 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 8: this stuff, it's as I've compared it to a corporate slogan. 179 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 8: I used to work for a big corporation and I 180 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 8: used to put up with words like synergy and thought 181 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 8: was a thought leadership and these sort of buzzwords really 182 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 8: always get up my goat. And then zero emissions is 183 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 8: another buzzword. It means lots of different things to lots 184 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 8: of different people. But I don't think the government's policy 185 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 8: is the right one. I think it is based on 186 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 8: far too much hope and promise than reality. 187 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: It probably doesn't come as a surprise that the Greens 188 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: perspective is wildly different. Actually, they both agree that they 189 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: don't like Australia's net zero by twenty fifty target, but 190 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: they don't like it for extremely different reasons. Adam Band 191 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: believes that net zero is absolutely neat, but he believes 192 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: that to do it by twenty fifty is just way 193 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: too late. He says that to have a meaningful impact 194 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: on lessening the effects of climate change on the globe, 195 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: we need to reach net zero way before twenty. 196 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 9: Fifty is too late. What matters is what we do 197 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 9: by twenty thirty this decade, right now, when the government 198 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 9: is in power. Pushing action out to twenty fifty is 199 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 9: too late. Delay is the new denial, and there's a 200 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 9: reason that Scott Morrison and others are prepared to talk 201 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 9: about twenty fifty because they know that they might not 202 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 9: even be around by then, and they certainly won't be 203 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 9: in power in government by then, and so they can 204 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 9: push action out until it is too late. Twenty thirty 205 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 9: is the climate's deadline. That's what the world scientists have 206 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 9: made absolutely clear. And the reason that this Climate Summer 207 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 9: in Glasgow is so important is that everyone from around 208 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 9: the world is being called in and asked to do 209 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 9: more by twenty thirty. Forget about twenty fifty. They're all 210 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 9: being told if we don't cut our world's pollution by 211 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 9: about half by twenty thirty, then the window to stop dangerous. 212 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 9: Climate change may close right, it may be too late. 213 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 9: And this is the thing about the climate crisis and 214 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 9: what scientists have been at pains to tell us for 215 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 9: a long time. At a certain point, you go over 216 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 9: the edge of the cliff. 217 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: Matt Canavan doesn't agree that climate change should be a 218 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: priority for the government in the next decade. Let's move 219 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: on from twenty fifty. A lot of scientists say that 220 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: twenty fifty is too late. Do you believe that climate 221 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 2: action is needed in the next ten years. 222 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 8: Look, I think it's sensible to be reducing emissions. We 223 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 8: have been doing that. But I don't see climate change 224 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 8: as a major crisis for the world right now. 225 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 4: There's just, as I say, no evidence for that. 226 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: I just want to say, like the fires that Australia 227 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: recently saw, that scientists everywhere said that that was as 228 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: a result of climate change. So you don't believe that 229 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: that was a result of climate change if you look. 230 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 8: I very much unguided by the sciences in the IPCC reports, 231 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 8: and you've got to read through the individual chapters of 232 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 8: those documents to get to the science. 233 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 5: I just want to jump in here. 234 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 2: The IPCC report is very clear that climate change is 235 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: a code read for humanity. There was also a Royal 236 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: commission last year which found quote climate change has already 237 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: increased the frequency and intensity of extreme weather and climate 238 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: systems that influence natural hazards. It also said the twenty 239 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: nineteen and twenty twenty bushfire season demonstrated that bushfire behavior 240 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: is becoming more extreme and less predictable. 241 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 8: And there still is no scientific evidence that the bushfires 242 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 8: have increased as a result of climate change. 243 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: I agree that overwhelmingly scientists agree that climate change is 244 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: real and it is impacting extremely It's not real. 245 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's not real. Well, no, I'm not 246 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 4: saying it's. 247 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 8: Not real, but I am saying there's very little evidence 248 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 8: that climate change is causing significant increases in extreme weather. 249 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: Before we move on, you might be wondering, after listening 250 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: to this, does Matt Canavan even believe in climate change? 251 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: I asked him just to be clear. If you say 252 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: that you don't believe that climate change has led to 253 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: more extreme weather events, doesn't that mean that you don't 254 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: believe in climate change? 255 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 8: No, I mean, isn't the I mean I thought this 256 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 8: just before we move like, I mean, I learned all 257 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 8: this at school and went through a bit. But wasn't 258 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 8: the issue of the greenhouse gas effect increase in temperatures. 259 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,119 Speaker 8: I mean it used to be called global warming. 260 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: Temperatures, which is then resulting in more extreme weather events 261 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: such as. 262 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: No, no, no. 263 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 8: The more extreme we events come later because what we 264 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 8: used to be called global warming and then they change 265 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 8: the name because they wanted to scare people on other 266 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 8: things as well. 267 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 4: They're very good at language and all these things. Who's 268 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 4: that well, people the activist stead of pushing this right, 269 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 4: there's a whole industry I mean pushing. 270 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: Scott Morrison Barnaby jokes and they talk about climate change, 271 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: not Scot but they say climate change. 272 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 8: But there's a whole industry. I mean, do you know 273 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 8: where the word net zero missions came from? A corporation 274 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 8: or a group of people led by Richard Branson, right 275 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 8: that they latched on a term that was carbon neutrality 276 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 8: and sort has changed that and got to netzeromissions. I 277 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 8: mean we never spoke of net zero emissions until it 278 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 8: was about five or six years ago. It sort of 279 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 8: became common in the lingo. Well that long ago, and 280 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 8: twenty years ago, as I say, we were talking about 281 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 8: global warming. No one ever spoke about climate change that shifted. Now, 282 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 8: So in terms of global warming, I'm not talking about. 283 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 5: The specific words. 284 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: I'm talking about what Okay, yeah. 285 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, And you wanted to know, do I think climate 286 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 8: change is real? Well or whatever you want to call it. Absolutely, 287 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 8: there's been an increase in temperatures, and absolutely some of 288 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 8: that increase is due to human activity of increased carbon emissions. 289 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 8: The other issue here, and the reason, the real reason 290 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 8: I think people have latched onto extreme weather events is 291 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 8: the increase in temperatures has not been as severe as 292 00:15:59,040 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 8: was expected. 293 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: Ah, and it's not. 294 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: So where is the evidence for that, because that's just 295 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: not what scientists are saying the overwhelming majority of scientists. 296 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: Well, the evidence is clear. You just so this is 297 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 4: a way sign. 298 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: Now, here's what Adam Bant said when I asked him 299 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: about the Nationals specifically, under. 300 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 9: The Nationals and Liberals policy, if we keep going the 301 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 9: way that we are, we're going to see worse droughts. 302 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 9: The floods when they hit are going to be worse. 303 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 9: We're going to see rivers starting to dry up. We're 304 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 9: going to see areas that sustain a moment crops and 305 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 9: agriculture get hotter and hotter to the point where it's 306 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 9: going to be difficult to grow the same kind of 307 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 9: things that we do at the moment. The biggest threat 308 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 9: to Australian farmers and livelihoods is the climate crisis getting worse. 309 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 9: But that's what the nationals have in mind. So the 310 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 9: only way we're going to be able to keep farmers 311 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 9: on the land. 312 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: I read out part of Adam Band's answer to Matt Canavan. 313 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 4: He disagreed, No, absolutely not what I what I want 314 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 4: to do. 315 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 8: What I want to do is grow and develop our 316 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 8: nation because that is good for Australian people and it's 317 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 8: good for the world good. 318 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: And you want to do that by investing in fossil fuels. 319 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 8: Well, I think if the world wants and you gets 320 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 8: us out of fossil fuels, absolutely we should supply, and 321 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 8: clearly they do. 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Why don't 331 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: we step away from the political perspectives for a minute 332 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: and get back to what Martin Murray, the farmer from 333 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: regional New South Wales, had to say about how climate 334 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: change is impacts his livelihood very heavily. 335 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 3: I'm fairly well leveraged, so carrying a lot of debt 336 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 3: and you know that debt's got to be serviced. As 337 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: I said earlier, I work off farm as well, so 338 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 3: that reduces some of that risk. But I still work 339 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: in agriculture, so you know, it's very unlikely that if 340 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: I'm struggling on the farm due to drought, the day 341 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: job wouldn't be struggling as well due to drought as well. 342 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: It's you know, the effects aren't just localized to one 343 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: property or one area. They're felt throughout the entire regional economy. 344 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: So that's how he's currently being impacted. But he also 345 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: holds serious concerns about the economic impacts he might feel 346 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: from Australia's reputation in global markets. 347 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: The other side of the pennies, I guess that the 348 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 3: market risk, it's what trade implications are we going to 349 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 3: be exposed to. There's a lot of talk as you'd 350 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 3: be well aware of the BEU carbon adjustment tax or offset, 351 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: however they want to define it. And then there's other 352 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 3: schemes that you know, as a growl without those sort 353 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 3: of taxes we're already required to be involved in. For example, 354 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: if I grow canola, and I do from time to time, 355 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: I did. 356 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: Like essentially here, Martin is saying that as international markets 357 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: move towards endorsing more environmentally friendly policies, ossie goods could 358 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 2: get more expensive for overseas buyers, making them less desirable 359 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: in some cases. A way that countries are putting pressure 360 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: on other nations to come to the table on climate 361 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: change is to impose higher taxes on products brought from 362 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 2: nations who they believe have poor climate policies. For example, 363 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: from twenty twenty six, the European Union will apply an 364 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: extra charge on imported iron ore, one of Australia's biggest exports, 365 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: from countries without a carbon tax. Not good news for Australian. 366 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 3: Miners, and basically that it's aimed at bringing our farming 367 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: practices and our standards in line with the EUS. There 368 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: are some issues there, particularly some new regulations they're looking 369 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: to bring in in regards to pollinators, but it's just 370 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 3: an example that market access position, which regardless of whether 371 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: you believe in climate change or not, is obviously something 372 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: that's going to impact you as a producer. 373 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 5: This is a really important point. 374 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: Australia is a huge exporter of fossil fuels to international markets. 375 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: But if international markets are moving towards cleaner energy, isn't 376 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: it inevitable that we'll need to phase out coal. Here's 377 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: what Matt Canavan said. We've seen that more than forty 378 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: countries have pledged to phase out coal. Will Australia be 379 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: left behind with no one to buy our coal? 380 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 8: Well, I haven't been through the whole list of those forty, 381 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 8: but my understanding is the big coal canssuming and producing countries. 382 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 4: Have not signed up, so I doubt it very much. 383 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 8: This century alone, the last twenty years, col demand is 384 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 8: up sixty percent. I mean sixty percent. Was already very 385 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 8: high in the year two thousand and two wasn't growing 386 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 8: off a low base. 387 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: But in terms of the targets that other countries have 388 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: set out. 389 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, I always believe in life that you're much 390 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 8: better off trusting what people do compared to what they say. 391 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 8: You're much better in life looking at how people act 392 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 8: than how they talk, because talk is cheap. 393 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: Okay, So, so far we've focused a lot on what 394 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 2: the current government's policy is, but let's hear what an 395 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: alternative policy could look like. 396 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 5: So the Greens want to deliver. 397 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: One hundred percent renewable energy by twenty thirty. What's your 398 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: plan to get us there? Like, what are the tangible 399 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: steps to get us there? 400 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 9: We actually want to deliver seven hundred percent renewable energy 401 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 9: by twenty thirty. We want to get one hundred percent 402 00:21:54,720 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 9: of our electricity renewables, and that involves a legislated planned 403 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 9: closure of all our coal fired power stations between now 404 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 9: and twenty thirty and replacement of those with renewables and 405 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 9: batteries and other forms of storage. So we need a 406 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 9: target in law that says his when we know our 407 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 9: coal fired power stations are going to come out of 408 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 9: the system, and when we're going to bring in renewables instead, 409 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 9: and with that kind of certainty it allows communities and 410 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 9: workers to plan so that no one's left in the lurche. 411 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 2: So the Greens want to legislate climate action targets. They 412 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: want to make it law, which is an approach the 413 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: current government has pushed back on. The Greens also want 414 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: to redirect the money that is currently going into fossil 415 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: fuel production to instead go into renewable energy. 416 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 9: We need the handouts at the moment that are going 417 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 9: to the big coal and gas corporations that cost billions 418 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 9: of dollars a year. We need to redirect those into 419 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 9: things like renewables and storage and batteries so that we 420 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 9: can get ourselves running on renewables. 421 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: Here, one of the biggest questions people have when the 422 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: Greens talk about ambitious climate action policies is how much 423 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: it will cost. And we can't pretend like it won't 424 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: impact the economy, considering coal is one of Australia's largest exports. 425 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 2: So last year twenty four percent of Australia's electricity came 426 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: from renewable energy. To get to one hundred percent in 427 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: less than a decade or seven hundred percent, as you say, 428 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: would be an incredibly quick transition. How much will it 429 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 2: cost Australia to do that? 430 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 9: Yeah, we have done the costings and I'll come back 431 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 9: to that in a second. But you know, they put 432 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 9: someone on the moon in ten years when they said 433 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 9: we want to do it, and they put the country's 434 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 9: best and brightest people onto it, and they said it's 435 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 9: a national priority and we're going to put money into it. 436 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 9: They made it happen, and the money is there in 437 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 9: the system. It's just at the moment it's going to 438 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 9: the wrong places. Am I point? 439 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 2: How much would it cost to achieve that seven hundred percent? 440 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 9: Well, you'd be looking at around somewhere in the order 441 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 9: of Australia's debt growing by about twenty billion dollars a 442 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 9: year over the next decade. And bear in mind we 443 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 9: spend much much more than that to get through COVID. 444 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 9: We're talking about something that's eminently affordable, and it's just 445 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 9: paid for by making the billionaires pay more tax and 446 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 9: stop giving handouts to the billionaire corporations. But it's something 447 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 9: that is actually an eminently affordable compared with the costs 448 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 9: of the climate crisis, the costs that we've seen from 449 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 9: the bushfires, with floods, the costs of basically not being 450 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 9: able to feed ourselves because droughts are going to ravage 451 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 9: our country if we don't tackle the climate crisis very quickly. 452 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 9: It's much much cheaper than the costs of inaction, and 453 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 9: it's going to create a lot of jobs and drive 454 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 9: down power prices along the way. 455 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: So, as a minor party, if the Greens were to 456 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: get into government, it would be with the Labor Party. 457 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 2: It doesn't happen often, but it did happen after the 458 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: twenty and ten election when Labor Prime Minister Julia Gillard 459 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: signed a formal agreement with the Greens to form So 460 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: I asked Adam Bandt to explain that relationship a bit more. 461 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: Can you explain your relationship with Labor because I think 462 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 2: something that I hear a lot from my friends is 463 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: that they kind of see you as the same because 464 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: you're both left or center. Can you explain that relationship. 465 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 9: The biggest thing that we've got to do at the 466 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 9: moment to tackle the climate crisis, as they've said, is 467 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 9: stop coal and gas, phase it out and replace it 468 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 9: with renewaballs. But liberals and labor both want more coal 469 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 9: and gas. Right, they both want more colon gas and 470 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 9: they're both expanding them at a time when we can't 471 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 9: do it. The Liberals are worse, Like the Liberals are 472 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 9: full of active climate deniers who don't want Australia to 473 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 9: take the action that is needed. And also they do 474 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 9: many other things that the Greens find terrible as well, 475 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 9: like attack people on low incomes, attack people who are 476 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 9: doing it tough, and attack refugees. So we want to 477 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 9: kick the Liberals out, but labor, left to their own devices, 478 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 9: they will expand coalon gas, they'll keep taking the donations 479 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 9: from the big colon gas corporations, and they will make 480 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 9: the climate crisis worse. 481 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: Okay, So I've spoken to opposite sides of Australian politics here, 482 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 2: who both claim to be representing the interests of regional Australia. 483 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 5: So I had one last question for Martin. 484 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: As a person in regional Australia, does he feel like 485 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: his interests are being represented in Parliament? 486 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 3: Look at it looks like things are starting to move 487 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 3: in a in a better direction. You know, it's very 488 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 3: early days. Obviously, we've just had this zero agreement and 489 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: there's still a lot of detail to come out of 490 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 3: the woodwork there as to as to what's going on, 491 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: but you know, there's there's also a lot of opportunities, 492 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: whether that be through carbon trading or biodiversity schemes. But again, 493 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 3: it's it's good to see that these options are there, 494 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: but it's hard to say whether they're good, bad, or 495 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: indifferent until we get some detail around them. And you know, 496 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: and I'm able to run numbers on my property. 497 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,239 Speaker 2: As you can see, climate action is clearly shaping up 498 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: to be an election defining issue and there's a wide 499 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 2: spectrum of political perspectives for young Australians. We have a 500 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: lot to think about when it comes to climate policy, 501 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: because after all, we are the ones who will be 502 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: living in a very different environment to the one we 503 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 2: know now. Thank you so much for listening to Young, 504 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: Dumb and Informed. 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