1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: At the Tokyo twenty twenty Olympics, Emma mckinn became Australia's 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: most successful Olympian of all time. Her eleven Olympic medals 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: overall broke the previous Australian record of nine from Annethorpe 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: and Lasil Jones over the course of their careers. But 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: it was a failed attempt to qualify for the London 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: twenty twelve Olympics that was one of many moments where 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Emma chose to walk away from the sport. It was 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: her Olympic gold that always drew her back. Sport and 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: the Olympics is a moment in time that unites people 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: and creates such a strong community. 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: For the athletes. 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: This series is presented by Nike, championing athletes like Emma, 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: listening to athletes needs and supporting them throughout all their journeys. 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: It was a true honor to sit down and chat 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: with Emma to learn more about her journey through self criticism, 16 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: doubt and overwhelming pressure to becoming the most decorated Olympian 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: in our country's history. I hope you enjoy it. Emma mckeirnon, 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Female Athlete Project. 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for having me on. 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: This is a real honor to have you on, particularly 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: in the lead up to the Olympics. But before we 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: kind of get to what that looks like, can you 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: take us back and describe what Emma was like as 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: a little kid. 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: Definitely a water baby from a very young age. Both 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: my parents were swimmers and they ran a swim school, 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: so they had me, my brother and my sister. Like 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: they loved the water, so we just grew up around 29 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: it as well, like down at the beach or in 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: the lake or in the backyard pool things like that. 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: So just definitely a water baby from around five. I 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: it was the two thousand Olympics that kind of like 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: opened my eyes to sport and the Olympics and things 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: like that. So even though I was super young and 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: I didn't like understand it, but because it was in 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: Sydney and I lived in Wollongong and for some of 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: the sessions we'd catch the train up to the Olympic 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: Park and just kind of that I don't know, just 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 2: the vibe of the place, I guess, and the excitement 40 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: around it all that just kind of put that little 41 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: fire in me, I guess, or just that little room. 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, just it allowed me to realize that 43 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: that was a thing, I think, and yeah, just started 44 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: from there. I think. 45 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: Were there any specific athletes that's sending in two thousands 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: that kind of caught your eye? 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: Susie and Neil was the like thoroughly one. 48 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: No love for Kathy, it was all in the pool. 49 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I mean, yeah, there's love for all 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: of them. Obviously I was a five years I was 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: just a five year old, and I loved swimming and 52 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: I love being in the water, and so yeah, she 53 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: I admired her from a really young age. 54 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: That's really cool. 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: What was it like having a family that was swimming 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: royalty and you talked about being a water baby. Was 57 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: it something you felt like you had a moment of 58 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: falling in love with it or it was almost just 59 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of how it always was. 60 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: It was kind of just always like that, just because 61 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: most of my childhood and well like up to like 62 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: even twelve years old, like it was just enjoyment and fun. 63 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: And definitely in those early years, like I do assimming 64 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: lesson a couple times a week, and that was just 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: literally water safety, really learning how to be safe in 66 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: the water, and then outside of that, it was just 67 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: playing in the pool with my cousins or brother and 68 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: sister or friends and things like that. So it wasn't 69 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: utill quite late that it became like training. It was 70 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: like early teenage years, so it became actual training for me. 71 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: How did you manage that balance with like kind of 72 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: when you started to get a bit more serious, like 73 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: heading into high school and things like that, What was 74 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: that balance like for you? 75 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: I think the balance was fine, But I when I 76 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: started competing and started getting a little bit better and 77 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: started like pursuing personal best times and things like that, 78 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: I started to put a lot of pressure on myself. 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: So from a young age I did that, like early 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: teenage years, and that was something I had to learn 81 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: to manage over the years. 82 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: It's a really interesting topic. I just was interviewed on 83 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: a podcast and that was the big thing. We talked 84 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: about pressure as an athlete and how you kind of 85 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: learned throughout your career to manage that. But when you 86 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: were young, what was it Where did you feel like 87 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 1: that pressure came from. 88 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: It was all from me, Like there was never any 89 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: pressure from my parents or my coach or I also 90 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: like anywhere else. It was just all me, Like I 91 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: think I wanted to be good and I wanted to 92 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: do my best times all the time, and I guess 93 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: when it came when it came to like a bigger 94 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: meat like age nationals or something like that, I'd get 95 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: really nervous because I was just thinking, like I want 96 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: to do a best time or like what are the 97 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: other girls going to do? Kind of thing, and I 98 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: just put pressure on myself. So that was, yeah, definitely something. 99 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: It took me a while to work out how to 100 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: manage that, but yeah, over the years I got used 101 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: to it and managed it. 102 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: Do you feel like there was a moment throughout those 103 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: years it was kind of something that changed the course 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: of your life or a career defining moment in a way. 105 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: I'd say around fifteen or sixteen, when I was fifteen, 106 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: I made my first national senior team and that was 107 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: to a world short course. 108 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: In Dubai, and so that was like I probably wasn't 109 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: ready to go on that kind of team, especially for 110 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: coming from Wollongong. A lot of the elite swimmers trained 111 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: either in Sydney or in Queensland or something like that, 112 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: so I didn't know anyone, and especially being a lot 113 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: younger than the others, I didn't really come across them 114 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: unless I was at Nationals, and there i'd be in 115 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: the marshaling area just being all struck by a lot 116 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: of them. So going away on that team, I just 117 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: knew nobody wasn't I didn't grow up around super elite people, 118 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: elite athletes like the way that a lot of I've 119 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: seen a lot of kids, especially up in Queensland, are now. 120 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: So I was very daunting going away on that trip, 121 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: and again put a lot of pressure on myself and 122 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: things like that, and that just stopped the enjoyment for me, 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: and I didn't like racing anymore, didn't like training because 124 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: I put a lot of pressure on myself in training 125 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: as well. And then I stopped swimming. I decided to 126 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: give it away, and then I did that quite a 127 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: few I came back and then stopped again, came back, 128 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: and I did that quite a lot throughout those later 129 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: teenage years. And then the last time that I did 130 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: come back, it was like I'd finally worked out like 131 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: why I kept stopping it was because of the pressure 132 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: and everything, and there were so many other parts of 133 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 2: swimming that I really did enjoy and that I'd missed 134 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: when I wasn't swimming, so I had to work out 135 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: how to manage that. And yeah, I was only going 136 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: to be able to keep going and succeed and enjoy 137 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: it if I wasn't putting so much pressure on myself. 138 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: So they were like, even though it was really hard 139 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: and like i'd stop and give it away and things 140 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: like that, it was like vital lessons that I needed 141 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: to learn. 142 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: It's quite an interesting thing. 143 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: Like what do you think it was the overarching thing 144 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: that kept bringing you back to it. 145 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: I think it was definitely like having a goal that 146 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: you worked really hard for. I've always really enjoyed that, 147 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: like day after day, pushing for something that you dream 148 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: of doing. So like for me, ever since I was little, 149 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: I wanted to go to the Olympics. And when I 150 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: missed the team the Olympic team for London in twenty twelve, 151 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: I stopped after that because I was like, I don't 152 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: want to train and put pressure on myself like that 153 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: and feel that like those really uncomfortable feelings for another 154 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: four years, even though I knew I wanted to go 155 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: to the Olympics. One day I just thought that dream 156 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: I just won't achieve kind of thing. But what did 157 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: bring me back was knowing that or having the belief 158 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: that I was capable and just working really hard for something. 159 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite it's yeah, it's cool. It's a really 160 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: cool part of your story. I want to chat about that. London, 161 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. What was it like, that feeling of working 162 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: so hard, as you said, and then finding out that 163 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: dream wasn't going to happen. 164 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 2: It was hard. Both my brother and my other training partner, 165 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: Jared Port, they both made the team so and I 166 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: went to school with Jared, so it was hard. Like 167 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: obviously I was so excited for both of them, but 168 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: I was sad that I wasn't going to be able 169 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: to do it with them, and obviously as well as 170 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: just finally getting to the Olympics that I had always 171 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: dreamt of since I was little. That was really hard. 172 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: But I think I learned, Like especially leading into those 173 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: Olympic trials, I was in year twelve, and I probably 174 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: didn't work hard enough consistently enough, Like when I was 175 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: at the pool. I could work hard, but there'd be 176 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: times that I wanted to go off and do things 177 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: with my friends instead and things like that. So that 178 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: was also a lesson down the track, not at the 179 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: time that I learned, but down the track that I realized, like, no, 180 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: you need to be turning up every single day. You 181 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: need to be very consistent to be able to make 182 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: an Australian Olympics sim team. 183 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: So yeah, so you mate your call that you take 184 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: a bit of time off after that come back with 185 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: the goal of Rio in twenty sixteen. What is the 186 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: head noise like as a swimmer following that black line 187 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: down the middle of the pool when you're in these 188 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: like really really tough sessions, there is a lot. 189 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: Of head noise actually when I never like notice the 190 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: black line, but because you've got your head down for 191 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: so long, and then you're on the wall for a bit, 192 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: either listening to times that your coach is yelling out 193 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: or listening to whatever the next step might be, and 194 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: then you're back pushing off and you're in your head 195 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: again thinking either about the pain or about the technique, 196 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: or about your goals or it's all over the shot. 197 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Really there's a lot going on. Yeah, what was the 198 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: lead up like to Rio in twenty sixteen? Knowing that 199 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: you'd learned how to prioritize your training. And it sounds 200 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: like you had a bit of a mindset shift off 201 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: the back of London. 202 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: Well I trained, I got back in the pool towards 203 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: the end of twenty twelve, and then made the team 204 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: for World Championships the following year for relays. And so 205 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: I think making that team, I was like, Okay, I 206 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: can I can do this, and I can race at 207 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: this level and you know, train consistently and things like that. 208 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 2: And I started to enjoy it a lot more because 209 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: I was doing everything consistently and started to believe in 210 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: myself more and just kind of focus on what I 211 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 2: needed to do rather than focusing on the pressure that 212 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: I put on myself and things like that. And then 213 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: so I was my coach was my dad when I 214 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: lived in Moongong, and so he coached my brother and 215 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: I and after that twenty thirteen team, he said to 216 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: both of us, why don't you go and try a 217 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 2: coach that's not your dad and see if you like it. 218 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: Because I guess he knew that we were going to 219 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: be swimming for a long a while and then we're 220 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: going to try and make a career out of it. 221 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: Kind of things. So he wanted to give us that 222 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: opportunity to try that. So we both moved up to Brisbane, 223 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: started coaching, started to being under another coach. And I've 224 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: been up here for the last ten years now, so 225 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: that went well. 226 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, how did that relationship change from the dynamic 227 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: of your dad being your coach to your dad just 228 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: becoming your dad again. 229 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: There wasn't really except for like the day to day 230 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: turning up to training in him coaching us. That was 231 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: probably the biggest difference, because he was really good at 232 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: balancing it. And I'm sure he found it difficult at 233 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: times and especial actually, I mean probably for both of us, 234 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: but especially me just being a teenager at school, like 235 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: being a bit annoying sometimes, he definitely would have found 236 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: it hard, but he managed it really well. Like he 237 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: was he was always our dad first, but when we're 238 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: at the pool, like he knew how to push us 239 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: and get the best out of us. And then for me, 240 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: if I was being an annoying teenage or whatever, he'd 241 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: almost kind of like not ignore me, but just be 242 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: like okay, whatever, like that's what you're doing. I'm not 243 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: going to coach you right now. 244 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 3: You're right, So he was quite good. 245 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: I think, like, like the relationship was always you're my dad, 246 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: and I think he was really good at not He 247 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: never put pressure on us and things like that, so 248 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: I think that was a huge part of it. And 249 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: then when we moved up here, is always like if 250 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 2: you don't enjoy it, if it doesn't work out kind 251 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: of thing, like I'm always here and you haven't always 252 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 2: come home. And I think knowing that made it easier 253 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: being up here as well, especially for that first year. 254 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: And then I guess also because we both trusted him 255 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: as a coach as well, made it really good because 256 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: we could always rely on him for bits of advice 257 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: and things like that. So there was like a shift 258 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: from day to day, but otherwise it was like he's 259 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: still our dad, like wasn't always is kind of thing. 260 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it's really nice. 261 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: How did it feel to put on your Olympic blazer? 262 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: And I imagine you got the oversized quantas boarding pass 263 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: ahead of Rio in twenty sixteen, thinking back to that 264 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: little kid who idolized Susie O'Neil at the Sydney two 265 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: thousand Olympics, to think that you were getting on the 266 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: plane to head over to Brazil. 267 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: Definitely, very surreal, and I guess just special because finally 268 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: my brother David and I were both doing it together 269 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: because he had been to London and I was over 270 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: there in the stands watching, and then this time we 271 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: were going to be on that team together, so that 272 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: was very exciting, and then had my family there in 273 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: the stands. Yeah, it was an exciting experience just to 274 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: know that we were going to be heading over to 275 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: the Olympics. 276 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy to think that. 277 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: I even, like, when I was prepping for this episode, 278 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: I was almost shocked that Rio was your first one, 279 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: Like I think, because we know how successful you've been. 280 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: It's kind of weird to think that twenty sixteen was 281 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: your first one. But in your Olympic debut, you were 282 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: the most successful swimmer at Rio. You brought home one 283 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: goal too, silver and a bronze medal. What did that 284 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: feel like after dealing and learning from the London twenty 285 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: twelve disappointment to coming home as the most successful swimmer there. 286 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: Definitely like a shock. I never would have thought that 287 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: I'd come away with those kinds of medals. Yeah, and 288 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: it's not really something I even think about now though. 289 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, and even that week alone, like there was 290 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: a lot of different like rollercoasters of emotions times, Like 291 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: the first night we won the gold in the relay 292 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: and so that was super exciting, and then the next 293 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: day I was disappointed with my one hundred fly final, 294 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: and then the next day I had to get up 295 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: again and do a childre free style, and then the 296 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: night after that, like and then I just thought I 297 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: wasn't swimming well. Then the night after that did my 298 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: childre free final and then got a bronze medal. So 299 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: it was like really all over the place, but like 300 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: kind of showed me that I can like bounce back 301 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: from disappointment quickly turn it around and refocus for what's next. 302 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, it taught me a lot of lessons. But yeah, 303 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: at the end of the week, I was definitely in 304 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: shock that I came away with what I did. 305 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: It is quite a unique position you guys are in 306 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: as swimmers because you often have multiple events and you 307 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: do have to bounce back, even like the turnaround from 308 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: heats to finals and different events, Like, what is that 309 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: process like to go through that? 310 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: It takes a lot of experience, I think because you 311 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: might have a disappointment. You might not swim as well 312 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: as you thought you would in the heat or the semi, 313 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: but you still make it through. And you've got to 314 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 2: turn it around and keep your confidence up to get 315 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: the most out of yourself in a final and then 316 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: say you don't swim well in the final and then 317 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: turn it around for whatever the next race is going 318 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: to be. So it definitely takes a lot of experience 319 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: and practice leaving the good or the bad behind and 320 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: refocusing on what's next. But yeah, you've definitely got to 321 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: be able to leave it. Like in Tokyo, my program 322 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: was really busy, and if I had one be hindred freestyle, 323 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: for instance, I had to come back that night and 324 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: do the heat of the fifty freestyle. So just almost 325 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: containing that excitement because it's emotionally draining on either end 326 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: of the spectrum really, so it's like containing it till 327 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: okay I can let it all add at the end 328 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 2: of the week. 329 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it must be a really bizarre thing. 330 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: And looking at Tokyo, because it was in the middle 331 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: of COVID, it had already been postponed, no crowds, could 332 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: you guys sense though? The way the Australian public were 333 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: behind you as a group because it felt almost like 334 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: because people were stuck in their lound rooms, it felt 335 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: like people were even more connected to you guys, especially 336 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: as swimmers starting out so successfully in Tokyo. 337 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely very unique and very special. I 338 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 2: didn't have I didn't use my phone, I didn't like 339 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: use social media or anything during that week, so I 340 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: didn't know the full extent. But gradually across the week 341 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 2: you could definitely feel it through like all the interviews 342 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: that we were doing and the journalists and things were 343 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 2: telling us about the excitement back home and things like that. 344 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: So it probably wasn't until the end of the week, 345 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: pretty much when we're getting on the plane and then 346 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: spending two weeks in the quarantine that we realized how 347 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: crazy it was like with everyone watching and all the 348 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: support that we got. But you could definitely feel You 349 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: could definitely feel the support even during that lockdown weird Olympics. 350 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: It must have been a bizarre thing. 351 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: Like you talked about the fact that you have to 352 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: almost swallow the emotion to get ready for the next event, 353 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: either that following morning or that night. So then you 354 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: go through that you finish your week, have all this success, 355 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: and then you go to lockdown, Like, was that just 356 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: the most bizarre mix of emotions. 357 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: It was definitely very bizarre. It was actually really challenging 358 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: because really from like the first morning of finals we 359 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: won and broke the world record in the relay, and 360 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: so it's from that moment all the way through the 361 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: week that like you're having to contain yourself and then 362 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: maybe not hitting a time that you thought you might 363 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: and then having to come back bring yourself back to 364 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: level not too low kind of thing after that. So 365 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: just the whole I think then it was eight days 366 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: all up, as well as just the lead in all 367 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: that excitement and nerves and things, and then getting on 368 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 2: a plane flying back to into Darwin, going into your 369 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: own little room. It was very strange, but it was 370 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: actually really hard. I found it really hard because I 371 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 2: couldn't I felt like I need to be proud of 372 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 2: I should be proud of what I've done, but I 373 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 2: almost couldn't feel that sense of pride or like sense 374 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: of achievement. I guess because you're just in this little room, 375 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: like I had my family and stuff on FaceTime and things. 376 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was just very strange feeling. And then 377 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 2: by the time I got out, I was send back 378 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: into lockdown as well, because I went into Wollongong when 379 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: they were all in lockdown. So it was obviously really 380 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: nice and exciting scene family, but I was emotionally drained, 381 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: so it took me a while to like feel any 382 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: of that excitement as well, which I also felt strange 383 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: for because I felt like, you know, everyone's so excited 384 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: for me, everyone's so happy and proud. I should be 385 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: feeling that too, but I'm not kind of thing, so 386 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: it was very confusing. 387 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been a really isolating time. 388 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: And I think watching on it was that feeling of 389 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: seeing you guys all go into lockdown, and I almost 390 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: was like wishing and hoping because the news like move 391 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: so quickly, right, It's almost like all I wanted that 392 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: to be preserved, what you guys had all achieved over there, 393 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: so that you could come back into normal life and 394 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: be celebrated in a normal way. 395 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: I guess. Well, the good thing was we did get 396 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: to watch the second half of the Olympics on TV, 397 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: so that was like a way to keep it alive, 398 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: I suppose for us. Yeah, it was. 399 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: Definitely with experience looking at your performance, because you kind 400 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: of skipped over that part. So you won four gold 401 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: medals and three bronze medals. You broke world records and 402 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: Olympic medals along the way. You won more medals at 403 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: an Olympics than any other females women ever, joined most 404 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: medals with the Soviet gymnast. Your eleven Olympic medals overall 405 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: make you the most successful Australian Olympian ever. You talked 406 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: about that confusion between not really feeling like you could 407 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: celebrate it in a way. Have you had time to 408 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: reflect since then. 409 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: Definitely a lot of time since then. It did take 410 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: me a while though, But I think the thing that 411 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: makes me probably able to like feel it the most 412 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: would be there's this video that of my family watching 413 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: one hundred freestyle and so watching them like being all nervous, 414 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: and then the race starts and they're cheering for me, 415 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 2: and then like seeing their excitement when I do touch 416 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 2: the wall. That's probably the video for me that like 417 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: makes me really feel and realize what I've done, just 418 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: because like they're my biggest supporters and they get it 419 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: all and yeah, and I always know that they love 420 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: me like no matter what I do, But just seeing 421 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: their excitement is something that's like really special to me. 422 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you talked about the fact that they kind of 423 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: see everything. I think for me as an athlete, I 424 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: always get really emotional when I think about my family 425 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: being a big part of my not necessarily like my 426 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: drive and my. 427 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: Motivation, but they do. 428 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: They ride all the highs and lows, right, Like the 429 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: public just get to see you kind of at World 430 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: Champs and trying to qualify and then at the Olympics, 431 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: but there's so much in between that your close circle 432 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: actually ride with you. And so that's why it's really 433 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: special in those moments to have your family to celebrate 434 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: the good times too. 435 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, they definitely see all the ups and downs, 436 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: so see you when you're doubting yourself and see you 437 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 2: when you're doing really well. But yet those hard things 438 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: that they go through with you. And I've been lucky 439 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: that they've all, especially my brother, because he only retired 440 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 2: from swimming in twenty and I'll start at twenty twenty 441 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 2: one and he had to retire because of injury. But 442 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: he's he's been able to give me so much like 443 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: advice and support, and I guess just having been through 444 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: it all very recently, like he's been a huge support, 445 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: so I'm able to talk to him about all my 446 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: doubts or when things aren't going well. And yeah, it's 447 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: just it's really they're the ones that, like I really 448 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 2: enjoy celebrating with. 449 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: After you've talked about the fact that Paris will be 450 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: your last Olympics, how did you come to make a 451 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: decision like that. 452 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: It was kind of an easy decision because I've actually 453 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: said that after every Olympics. 454 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: So we don't actually know that's true. 455 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I after Reo, I thought, I packed up 456 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: my house in Brisbane that I was renting and put 457 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 2: all my stuff in storage because I was like, well, 458 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: I'm I won't be coming back here. I'll go over 459 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: to Rio and then maybe move on to the next 460 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 2: part of my last kind of thing. And then next thing, 461 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: I'm back in Brisbane training and getting my stuff out 462 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: of storage. And then I did the same thing before Tokyo, 463 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: packed up my house. And I think also because I 464 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: know I'm going to have a big break after that 465 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: and I'll probably go back to Wollongong things like that, 466 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: So and I think before Tokyo was like a COVID 467 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: thing as well. Didn't know when i'd be going back 468 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: to Queensland, so but I definitely thought i'd be stopping 469 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: after that. But then I guess the three year turnaround 470 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: is what kept me going for these paras Olympics. And yeah, 471 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: I mean I'm turning thirty next month as well, so 472 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 2: I think another four years. I don't think I have 473 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: that any It's. 474 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 3: A long time. 475 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: It's a long time. 476 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: You kind of it seems like it's this idea of 477 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 1: getting enough from the sport in a way, like when 478 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: you're starting to pack up your house, like this is enough, 479 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: Like I'm content with this. Do you think there's something 480 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: in Paris that would make you feel like this is enough, 481 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: I'm ready to sign off. 482 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 2: I think their feelings that I feel like once I 483 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: do decide to not so anymore, because I think as athletes, 484 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: you're always like searching for what's next and how can 485 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: I Like every day training and every race you do, 486 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: you're always thinking, Okay, well how can I improve that? 487 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: What can I do better? And like even when I 488 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: won one hundred freestyle in Tokyo, my coach was like, 489 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: that's great, but you could have done this. 490 00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 3: Give me a break. 491 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh, you're back fifteen, you know we wanted 492 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: to actually at this time and you only did this time, 493 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 2: and you did this time two nights ago when you're 494 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: back fifty like so obviously like it wasn't he was 495 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 2: super excited, but you're just always looking at how can 496 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 2: I do it better? And so having that ingrained in 497 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: us from a really young age, I think being able 498 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: to completely reflect on my career and be proud of it, 499 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: and I think their feelings that will come when I 500 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: do decide to stop. 501 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: Can you talk us through what it feels like and 502 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: what's going through your head as you kind of walk 503 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: out onto the pool deck. I feel like it's quite 504 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: an iconic moment of the swimming meets when you're walking 505 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: out getting ready, what is going through your head. 506 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: I'm usually pretty I try to remain pretty calm when 507 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: I'm walking out for races. I'm usually just thinking about 508 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 2: what I need to do in that very moment. I'm 509 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: usually pretty present, thinking about my race plan, not thinking 510 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 2: too much about the outcome. If my family said, if 511 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: I know where they're sitting, like give them away kind 512 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 2: of thing. But yeah, my mind's usually pretty calm and present, 513 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: I think, especially walking out, Yeah, just waiting to get 514 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 2: in the pool, really. 515 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: Just get over and dealt with. 516 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 517 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: What does it feel like to be a part of 518 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: a team? Obviously individual sport well realize that the team 519 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: component of it, but a team with the legacy of 520 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: the Australian Dolphins team. 521 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: It's definitely a special thing to be a part of. 522 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: And I think because I loved swimming from a really 523 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 2: young age and watched it on TV and things like that, 524 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: I definitely appreciate the history that we have in it. 525 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: So that's always been something that has inspired me and 526 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: something I've been able to think about a lot as 527 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: well when I am representing Australia now, thinking about like like, 528 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: I can't believe that I'm that I've done what I've 529 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: done similar to the people that I looked up to 530 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: when I was, you know, five years old or twelve 531 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: years old, things like that. So I definitely appreciate and like, 532 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: I'm grateful that I had those people to look up 533 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: to and inspire me and just like kind of lead 534 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: the way for the swimmers who are doing really well now. Yeah, 535 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: because there is so much we've had so much success 536 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: in swimming and at the Olympics in swimming, so it's 537 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: a really special thing to be a part of. 538 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: Is your headspace different when you're preparing for your individual 539 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: events versus the relay events. Is there a sense of, 540 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: like a bit more calmness that comes with the relay 541 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: or is it more pressure because there's other people depending 542 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: on you. 543 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: No, it's just more of a feeling of like it's 544 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: more of a fun feeling, I think for relays because 545 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: you go into the marshing area with the other three, 546 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: we're often just chatting about anything but for me, and 547 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: anything but what we're about to do, So it's definitely 548 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: more enjoyable than an individual race. There's a feeling of 549 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: pressure and expectation to some degree because you want to 550 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: do well for the other three and you want to 551 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: do well for the country, and you know, we hold 552 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: our relays very high. So I guess there's that kind 553 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: of pressure and expectation, But I think that's fun side 554 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: kind of overtakes that. 555 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 556 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: I saw Animes the other day at the launch event 557 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: for the new Olympic uniforms, and she reminded me of 558 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: a question that I asked her when I had her 559 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: on the podcast, and she says she still asked people 560 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: to this day, and I was like, that's a good 561 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: reminder because I quite like that question, and it's what 562 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: is your favorite failure? 563 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: My favorite failure is probably missing the London team because 564 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: I am not sure if I would still be swimming. 565 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I would have even made it 566 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: through to Reo or Tokyo if I had made that 567 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: London team, because at that point, all I wanted to 568 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: do was go to the Olympics, and with where I 569 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: was like, I hadn't probably grown up enough, I don't know, 570 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: experience enough or two, Like I might have just gone 571 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: to the Olympics and be like, Okay, I've been now, 572 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 2: I've achieved my dream, I've achieved my goal. I can 573 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: stop because I hadn't learned those lessons of like dealing 574 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 2: with the pressure and dealing with I guess being able 575 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: to continue on pushing myself, like realizing there's parts of 576 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: it that you're not going to enjoy, but there's parts 577 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: of it that I loved. Like I hadn't really learned 578 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: that yet, So yeah, I might have stopped and then 579 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: not continued on. So I'd say that's probably my favorite failure. Yeah, 580 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: it's even though at the time, looking back, it's probably 581 00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: the best thing to happen to me. 582 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 3: It's a cool question, have cool answer. Sorry. 583 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: Discipline versus motivation. I think I've seen you talk about 584 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: it before. How do you look at that? As a swimmer, 585 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: you definitely. 586 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: Have to be very disciplined, definitely can't rely on motivation. 587 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I think if I relied on motivation, I 588 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: wouldn't still be swimming now because I've been swimming for 589 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: so long. Yeah, it's just you need a lot of discipline, 590 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: and I think that's something I learned when I was 591 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: really young, because my parents never pushed me to turn 592 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: up to training or push me to do anything. Really, 593 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 2: it was always up to me. So it's like I 594 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: learned that self discipline really young, and they always like 595 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 2: instilled in all of us like that you had to 596 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: work hard for what you wanted and if you commit 597 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: to something, you need to commit to it. But it 598 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: was always up to asked to do that, and you know, 599 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: getting out of bed in the morning, I had to 600 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: do that myself. I didn't, you know, I couldn't. Then 601 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: it would never force me to get out of bed 602 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 2: for training. So yeah, I think that disciplines something I 603 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: learned really young and something that, yeah, I wouldn't be 604 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: where I am without it. 605 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: Is there someone who's had a really big impact on 606 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: you and your career? 607 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: Probably lots of people, so many people like my parents, 608 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: my coach, I've worked with a sports science she was 609 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: a sports scientist, but now I work with her a 610 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: lot on skills and named Jess, and I've been working 611 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: with her since I was fifteen, maybe even younger, and 612 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: we've become really good friends. She's had a huge impact 613 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: on my swimming and my life really, Like she was 614 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: there when I wanted to quit swimming at fifteen or sixteen, 615 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: and then again when I was seventeen, and then you know, 616 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: like all throughout and then all throughout the ups and 617 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 2: downs that I've had over the last ten or fifteen 618 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: years of swimming and teams and things like that, and 619 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: the ups and downs of both personally and in swimming. 620 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 2: So she's definitely had a huge impact on my career, 621 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 2: and like she's kept it enjoyable as well and been 622 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 2: there in those like high pressure moments and kept it 623 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: I suppose in perspective for me as well, and kept 624 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: me calm and helped me to because I'm definitely also 625 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 2: very critical of myself, definitely a lot less now than 626 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 2: I used to be, but she's also been able to 627 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: help me reel that in and like, see the good 628 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: in what I'm doing and things like that. 629 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 3: Have you learned to be to yourself? 630 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely confected to when I was younger. It's probably 631 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 2: these last couple of years I've probably gone backwards a bit, 632 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: just because as I've gotten older and maybe putting more 633 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 2: pressure on myself again, I am more critical and like 634 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 2: comparing myself to the athlete I was when I was 635 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 2: twenty one, and you know, when you're twenty one, twenty two, 636 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: twenty three, like you bounce back from training session to 637 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: training sessions so quickly. So I still want to be 638 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 2: at the top of my game now, and I am 639 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: comparing myself a lot to that younger athlete that I was, 640 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: So she helps me rain that in as well, and 641 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 2: see the good in what I'm doing and like be like, 642 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 2: you're actually at a really good level. You're actually doing 643 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 2: things better than you certain things better than you were 644 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 2: when you were twenty two kind of things so she 645 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 2: helps me see that, which is definitely what I need 646 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 2: at the moment. 647 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: There's an awesome book by Malcolm Gladwell called Outliers, and 648 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: he has arranged of different theories and he talks about 649 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: the ten thousand hour rule to become an expert or 650 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: elite at what you do, and he also discusses this 651 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: idea of opportunities for a lot of people in different industries, 652 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: but elite athletes as well. I was chatting to Dad 653 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: the other day saying that I was having you on 654 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: the podcast and we were talking about this idea of 655 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: there's kind of like the talent, hard work, and opportunity 656 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: of three really big things that often make an athlete 657 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: the very best at what they do. What do you 658 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: think is on top of that that has made you 659 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: our greatest Olympian of all time? 660 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 2: Persistence, I would say, and self belief, I think are 661 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: two big ones. You definitely can't do anything without self belief, 662 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 2: and especially in those like high pressure moments when it's 663 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: like you need to perform now, especially Olympics comes around 664 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: once every four years kind of thing. Yeah, you need 665 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 2: to have that self belief that you are capable of 666 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: doing what you're set out to do and then yeah, 667 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 2: persistence like bouncing back from when you don't perform how 668 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: you wanted to perform, and yeah, just continuing on. I 669 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 2: think there are two big things that come into being 670 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 2: a great athlete. 671 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: If Paris is your last Olympics, I don't know if 672 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: I believe you or not, but if it is, what 673 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,959 Speaker 1: does happiness and contentment post swimming look like for you? 674 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: I think I guess it's just knowing that I put 675 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: my all into it and having no regrets on that front, 676 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 2: because I think if you can turn up and no 677 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 2: matter how you go, knowing that you'd put everything you 678 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 2: could into preparing both mentally and physically, and then there's 679 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 2: nothing really to be disappointed with because you did everything 680 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 2: that you could do. So I think that's what will 681 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 2: bring me contentment over my swimming career. And I know, 682 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 2: up till today, like I've put in everything that I 683 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: can and I worked as hard as I can and 684 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: focused on all the small things, you know, all the 685 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 2: little details and things like that. So I think that's 686 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: what will bring me contentment over my career. 687 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: And what is your career going to look like post swimming? 688 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: Have you planned it out? 689 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 3: I'm not yet. 690 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet. I'll do nothing for a little bit. Yeah, 691 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 2: have no routine for a bit. I think it will 692 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 2: be good for me. But yeah, I'll work it out 693 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 2: as it comes. 694 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 3: Yeah cool. 695 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time today having your chat. 696 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: It's been incredible to learn more about you and the 697 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: way that you've kind of gone away and come back 698 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: on multiple occasions, and the drive that you have. Cannot 699 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: wait to watch you compete in Paris. Always love cheering 700 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: you on. And yeah, thanks so much again, Emma, I 701 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: thanks so much, Thanks so much for listening. 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