Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week.
Speaker 2: They might welcome back to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris,
Speaker 2: and on this podcast I go behind the scenes with
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Speaker 2: television industry and streaming services today. On the podcast, I
Speaker 2: have the very handsome housemate Joel, who this week exited
Speaker 2: the Big Brother house. The Channel seven series is starting
Speaker 2: to churn and burn. This year's contenders and the challenge
Speaker 2: Beast with the body of a Greek God has been
Speaker 2: booted by his fellow housemates. I had the privilege of
Speaker 2: hanging out with Joel and his girlfriend the night of
Speaker 2: the Big Brother launch, and so I was aware of
Speaker 2: his cheeky laugh and his bold descriptions of his time
Speaker 2: on the show. Joel isn't afraid of the tough questions
Speaker 2: and he is actually quite wi It's beyond his years.
Speaker 2: So I think you're going to enjoy today's chat. Yet,
Speaker 2: a competition like this does not go well for people
Speaker 2: who are the strongest in the house. Very early on,
Speaker 2: Joel seemed to size himself up against the competition, and
Speaker 2: he bravely stood right out in front of the pack.
Speaker 2: This would ultimately be his downfall, but not without a
Speaker 2: showmance and plenty of drama before his elimination. Today, we'll
Speaker 2: talk about everything from fluffing in the Big Brother House
Speaker 2: to what he really thought of Alisha. I will also
Speaker 2: get him to break down his secret plan to eliminate
Speaker 2: all the ogs, and we'll find out the order in
Speaker 2: which he was planning to get rid of them, which
Speaker 2: can I say He's going to shock and delight fans
Speaker 2: right across Australia. However, let's get started with today's guest.
Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome Joel Big Brother's latest to vic
Speaker 2: D to TV reload.
Speaker 3: My play was to put up Reggie, Dave and Tully.
Speaker 4: This year it's my twenty first birthday.
Speaker 3: No, they were definitely playing under the radar and I've.
Speaker 4: Invited housemates both new and legendary.
Speaker 1: Just so you were clear right, I'm gonna get rid
Speaker 1: of Sam. You're going to get rid of a leisure Yeah.
Speaker 4: Will experience be enough to take on the next generation
Speaker 4: of housemates?
Speaker 1: She just doesn't really want to watch me knoling with
Speaker 1: someone else on TV and.
Speaker 4: The new contenders Our Grid Big Brother Royalty.
Speaker 3: Everyone knew this is the one opportunity that they had
Speaker 3: to get rid of me this Big Brother.
Speaker 5: Hey Joel, how are you hey?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: Going good? Going good?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: Congratulations on your epic Big Brother game. Was this experience
Speaker 2: like how you imagined it?
Speaker 1: No, I had no idea what to expect going to
Speaker 1: the Big Brother House. I think I had plans going
Speaker 1: in there, and as soon as I got in there,
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 3: To throw those straight out the window.
Speaker 1: Is you know, expect the unexpected and just really breathe
Speaker 1: into the spontaneity of the show.
Speaker 2: What's the biggest misconception about being a Big Brother housematee?
Speaker 2: You know, we all have an idea of how it's
Speaker 2: going to be and then it becomes something completely different.
Speaker 5: But for you, what was what was the most obvious?
Speaker 1: I probably saut the timing of a lot of different things,
Speaker 1: like the what time you.
Speaker 3: Go to bed, because you know, even though.
Speaker 1: Outside area we close off at a certain time, you
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: What time that is. There's no time of reference.
Speaker 1: There's no routine in the house, and that's something I'm
Speaker 1: very used to, is having a structure time I get up,
Speaker 1: time I go for breakfast, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So going to the house and not having any routine
Speaker 1: and just kind of waking up whenever and going to
Speaker 1: bed whenever, Yeah, it just messed with me something chronic.
Speaker 3: I just didn't think that it would affect me that much.
Speaker 1: I'm very regimented in my sleep pattern usually, and going
Speaker 1: in there just kind.
Speaker 3: Of like flipped.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't sure if I was getting enough sleep,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you weren't.
Speaker 3: No, No, not at all, definitely not at all.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, I'm not sleeping, I'm not eating, I'm
Speaker 2: not myself. And then I spoke to them afterwards and
Speaker 2: they were like, yeah, you were only, you know, surviving
Speaker 2: on about four hours sleep at night and we barely
Speaker 2: fed you. And you went in weighing seventy two kilos.
Speaker 2: You've come out weighing fifty nine kilos.
Speaker 5: And I was like what. I was like, where have
Speaker 5: I been?
Speaker 1: And the food was crazy, Like I was literally for breakfast,
Speaker 1: I have half a tinn lentils and a tomato with
Speaker 1: a bit of salt and pepper, and you know, on
Speaker 1: the outside is you have like avo toast and then
Speaker 1: like a thick shake and then a coffee and you know,
Speaker 1: double down on the food. But in there I had
Speaker 1: nothing and that started getting.
Speaker 3: To me pretty heavy too.
Speaker 2: Well, not something I was going to say to you,
Speaker 2: but the Big Brother experience can do different things to
Speaker 2: your bow movements as well. And I remember one housemate
Speaker 2: said to me, if you go to the bathroom and
Speaker 2: just fuck do you need to wash your hands? I
Speaker 2: think you need to go to the bathroom. But you
Speaker 2: go there and you just be like, oh, I guess
Speaker 2: nothing happened because you ate nothing for.
Speaker 1: Days literally literally, And I'm kind of glad that it
Speaker 1: didn't make it on the show.
Speaker 3: But there was a lot of toilet talk, a lot
Speaker 3: of like, oh have you gone yet?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, I haven't. Oh okay, no either of I Yeah
Speaker 3: I haven't either. We haven't haven't managed to have a
Speaker 3: movement yet. But I'll keep you tune, like, stay stay tuned.
Speaker 2: I didn't go to the bathroom to do anything for
Speaker 2: three days, and that was because the state of shock
Speaker 2: that my body must have been going through as well
Speaker 2: as you know, the food rations and everything else that's
Speaker 2: going on, and the thought that are these cameras watching
Speaker 2: me go to the toilet, like is.
Speaker 5: What's going on with me?
Speaker 1: And they are like I swear like it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's unnerving, especially when you're kind of like having a
Speaker 1: piss and you're kind of looking out there and being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I.
Speaker 3: Should have fluffed this up a little bit or something beforehand.
Speaker 5: We're going off on a terrible tangent here. We're gonna
Speaker 5: put we're gonna rain this back in.
Speaker 2: So, you know, you started off as the biggest threat
Speaker 2: in the competition, like you were the fiercest challenge beast,
Speaker 2: you're the best looking housemate that's in there. All of
Speaker 2: these things makes it look like you could win the competition.
Speaker 2: What goes wrong when that happens, though.
Speaker 3: Oh, you just become a huge target. That's playing simple.
Speaker 1: I believe that a lot of the game in the
Speaker 1: new format is you know, you're gonna be middle of
Speaker 1: the pack. You really can't be a front runner because
Speaker 1: then you're just a huge target. And that's essentially what happened.
Speaker 1: I couldn't help myself but in that first challenge, go
Speaker 1: helpful ever and take out the win, and then you know,
Speaker 1: stepping into the next challenge, we had Josh who was like,
Speaker 1: you know, started gunning for me.
Speaker 3: So then I had to win that one. And then
Speaker 3: you know, the.
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, he's won two for two now,
Speaker 1: and I'm going, oh, like, I've put myself in a
Speaker 1: pretty rough situation here. But then I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to continue playing this game style and tyres
Speaker 1: car reward. But you know, if I can pull it off,
Speaker 1: I can put off. But you know, unfortunately I slipped
Speaker 1: up and got the acts. I have been seen as
Speaker 1: quite a big fasils by the house.
Speaker 3: And that's the reason that I was dominated.
Speaker 2: And to time, I wanted to text you, but like
Speaker 2: it's cruel to text somebody about something that's already happened.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to say, on the second time you're
Speaker 2: up for a challenge, throw this in. Throw it in.
Speaker 2: Don't let these people think you're going to keep winning
Speaker 2: these challenges. Pretend you've got a wonky h make up
Speaker 2: a lie that you've got a wooden leg.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, I know, I know, but I just knew.
Speaker 1: I just I knew that Josh was coming for me,
Speaker 1: and just before the challenge, he came up to me
Speaker 1: in the kitchen and he was like, you know, if
Speaker 1: I win, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Put some big players up today.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, oh, well, any possibility that
Speaker 1: I decided to throw this, it means I'm going home,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to go home by throwing a challenge.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't feel safe doing that. So I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, stick to the original plan.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go out like a Bullygate, and you know,
Speaker 1: I give it everything I have. And then yet in
Speaker 1: the challenge, I had like a really good technique. I
Speaker 1: pretty much relaxed the entire time. I just locked my
Speaker 1: arms in and engage my core for short periods of time.
Speaker 1: And yeah, as you can probably you can see in
Speaker 1: the show like I barely broke a sweat and it
Speaker 1: was all just that a technique.
Speaker 3: Really, that's all it came down to.
Speaker 2: Well, I got muscles from just watching it because I
Speaker 2: was so stressed that I was clenching. And then I'd
Speaker 2: finish watching these challenges and I would be like the Hulk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, perfect, perfect, get a pump on having to sit down.
Speaker 2: You know, the divide between the ogs and the newbies
Speaker 2: to me felt like this really obvious and somewhat flat storyline.
Speaker 2: Did you think it had to be that way? Was
Speaker 2: there ever a chance that we would have seen a
Speaker 2: different structure of how the housemates were going to compete
Speaker 2: against each other?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I reckon that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, initially, that's how it's been framed, and that's how
Speaker 1: it had to be.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like when an intruder were to come into
Speaker 1: the house in like a couple or you know, a
Speaker 1: three group or whatever, like they would be locked together.
Speaker 1: You know, it'd be hard for the breakaway and in
Speaker 1: part of the bigger group. And that's what that's essentially
Speaker 1: what happened when the Ogs came in and there groups
Speaker 1: of four and five or three, you know, like they've
Speaker 1: already formed a bond in either the sewer or in
Speaker 1: the main frame, you know that type of thing, or
Speaker 1: they know each other, like when Tali come in with
Speaker 1: Tim and Drew. You know, so that was pretty evident.
Speaker 3: But I knew like part of my plan was to
Speaker 3: then break apart some.
Speaker 1: Of the ogs and take them on my side by
Speaker 1: using that strategy of I'm actually quite a strong physical
Speaker 1: player in here.
Speaker 3: And if you do want to be safe, well you
Speaker 3: got to you got to back me.
Speaker 2: And yeah, which is a really good question to ask you,
Speaker 2: and I really want you to work with me on
Speaker 2: this one. If you have to eliminate the ogs inner order,
Speaker 2: what order do you think if you had the chance
Speaker 2: to do this, like you want a big brother twist
Speaker 2: pass and you then could choose the order of who
Speaker 2: you got rid of, as in who you thought with
Speaker 2: the biggest threats, what is that order?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: Okay, sweet, Yeah, I've definitely thought of it this times. Well.
Speaker 1: So my latest play in the in the house, right,
Speaker 1: I made a deal with Tim and Drew to get
Speaker 1: rid of Tully. So Tully was going to be first,
Speaker 1: but hold on, not yet. So my play was to
Speaker 1: put up Reggie, Dave and Tully. But I was going
Speaker 1: to swap out Tully for Tim, so I was going
Speaker 1: to go yeah, so that would squeezed him out.
Speaker 3: That was step one. Step two was to go for Drew.
Speaker 1: And the deal that I made with Drew and the
Speaker 1: information he gave me, I was going to use that
Speaker 1: as leverage. I told Sam, I told Tarras and Alicia
Speaker 1: and you know, sorry plant those seeds to Sam so
Speaker 1: that she would lose confidence in Drew. So we'd go
Speaker 1: Tim first, then Drew. Then after that, I knew that
Speaker 1: we would have open slabber.
Speaker 3: If we could pull it off.
Speaker 1: I was going to go for a Stelle next, because
Speaker 1: although I was trying to keep things amicable with her,
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know that she's.
Speaker 3: The most housemate and I put her up at the start, I.
Speaker 1: Told her that I wouldn't put her up, and just
Speaker 1: before that last challenge, I even told it to her,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put you out.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to vote for you. And then Tully. I
Speaker 3: think i'd keep Tully in there for a little bit
Speaker 3: because she'd caused a bit of drama.
Speaker 1: But then we also won a challenge together and we
Speaker 1: did bond over it for a certain period there, but
Speaker 1: it was a difficult sort of setting because she had.
Speaker 3: Her alliance with the Ogs. Sure, then I would go
Speaker 3: for Trev. I'd probably want to keep him in there
Speaker 3: for as long as possible. I loved his energy and
Speaker 3: his jokes and all that sort of stuff. And then
Speaker 3: who had left.
Speaker 5: We've got David next. That's the last of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, there you go. I'd probably just hopefully keep
Speaker 1: those into the end. Really, if I could, I'd take
Speaker 1: them to the.
Speaker 3: Top with me.
Speaker 2: A lot of people were talking about while the production
Speaker 2: was happening that the newbies were terrified to even touch Reggie.
Speaker 2: Did she have like a god type status inside the
Speaker 2: house that made you all afraid to even contemplate the
Speaker 2: thought of trying to remove her from the show.
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, She's the queen of the Big Brother, you know,
Speaker 1: So to try and take someone's crown like that, you're
Speaker 1: playing with fire. And but the main thing was she
Speaker 1: she's with such a good cause. You know, she's losing
Speaker 1: her eyesight, her son's got cystic vibrosis. Like, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty sad situation, and you know, we all felt for her,
Speaker 1: and it was very hard, you know, to want to
Speaker 1: put her in a position like that, to take that
Speaker 1: chance away from her, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I was going to use
Speaker 1: that to my advantage. You know, I was going to
Speaker 1: use Reggie because no one's going to vote for her,
Speaker 1: So I was going to use her to squeeze other
Speaker 1: players out, you know, So especially with Dave, like he
Speaker 1: has he was in there with the rough Track.
Speaker 3: Kids, such a good cause, it's amazing. He's such a
Speaker 3: good guy.
Speaker 1: And using those two players who are essentially untouchable, you
Speaker 1: can use those to squeeze out the person you actually want,
Speaker 1: such as Tim or Drew or Tully.
Speaker 2: I think they might have been underestimating you. I think
Speaker 2: even I at this stage, whilst you're explaining this, I
Speaker 2: think I was underestimating you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that that was interesting because like I talked
Speaker 1: a lot of strata in the house, but any show steppers,
Speaker 1: and like I understand your twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 1: seven days a week, there's you know, heaps of housemates.
Speaker 3: And then we're going to compress that into an hour
Speaker 3: and a half long video.
Speaker 1: So and it's not going to show about Joel either,
Speaker 1: it's about it's about the whole game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that a new TV show, A big job.
Speaker 5: That's the extended version.
Speaker 3: Oh that's it. You're guessing one cut shower scenes as well.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people I'm not saying me, but
Speaker 2: I have my hand up with This is a podcast,
Speaker 2: so people can't see, but there'd be a lot of
Speaker 2: people out there that would sign up to that but
Speaker 2: away from this mountingness, you know you sort of touched
Speaker 2: on this. Reggie, Dave and Trevor are not really shown
Speaker 2: as much as Australia thought. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people talking about this online. Is that because their
Speaker 2: strategy was to fly under the radar or are we
Speaker 2: not really seeing how they were inside the show?
Speaker 1: No, they were definitely playing under the radar, Like you know,
Speaker 1: watching the show back, I'm shocked at Reggie, like I
Speaker 1: love it. You know, she's wanting to make these big
Speaker 1: plays and you know they're not going to take my
Speaker 1: crown and I just couldn't imagine her saying that at all,
Speaker 1: Like that is insane, And I love it because she
Speaker 1: played such a good game.
Speaker 3: They were playing right on the front of the radar.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Even Trevor came to me and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: the reason I'm in here is to help you guys
Speaker 1: with some big plays.
Speaker 3: And I was like sweet.
Speaker 1: But then you know as we see we watch it
Speaker 1: and he goes, no, no, we'll get rhythm, like he's
Speaker 1: a threat. Well we'll get rid of that guy, like
Speaker 1: you know, this is our one chance to take it,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, you know, I thought we were
Speaker 1: mates there, Like I thought you were going to help
Speaker 1: me out, and yeah, definitely playing under the radar.
Speaker 3: But good good for him, like done, Well.
Speaker 2: There's nothing like getting in the way of a former
Speaker 2: reality television contestant and their screen time. They might be
Speaker 2: the nicest person in the world, but they will throw
Speaker 2: you under the bus for just two more minutes exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Well, maybe if I get a returning,
Speaker 1: you know, call them ten years time, Well I might
Speaker 1: do the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll leaving the house. Where can you see the
Speaker 2: biggest feud for me?
Speaker 3: Oh? Probably Tim and Tully. I reckon that they like
Speaker 3: even in the.
Speaker 1: House what I experienced, like they are so at each
Speaker 1: other all the time. And you know, I even made
Speaker 1: a deal with Tim to get rid of Tully because
Speaker 1: he was sick of her being in the house.
Speaker 3: So you know, I reckon, Yeah, I reckon, that's got
Speaker 3: to be on the cards.
Speaker 1: Like I'm keen to see what happens next to because yeah,
Speaker 1: after I left the house, I was really wondering, like
Speaker 1: Tim and Tally was that actually a play? Like I
Speaker 1: was always second guessing that, like are they mucking around?
Speaker 1: Are they trying to look like their enemies. But they're
Speaker 1: not actually, but I think they actually are like to
Speaker 1: a degree. They definitely going to on each other's nerves.
Speaker 1: But Tim loves doing it too. He loves doing the pot.
Speaker 5: What makes someone like you apply for Big Brother?
Speaker 3: The challenges?
Speaker 1: Like, I just love the physical, you know, and mental
Speaker 1: challenge of the whole the whole game. You know. I've
Speaker 1: always enjoyed putting my body to the test and testing
Speaker 1: the limits.
Speaker 3: Really, and you know.
Speaker 1: When I have watched the challenges in previous seasons, like,
Speaker 1: I've always broken down the challenge and been like, this
Speaker 1: is how I would approach it, this is how I
Speaker 1: would do it, and I would. I was just keen
Speaker 1: to give it a go, you know, and then I
Speaker 1: proved that I could do it as well, you know,
Speaker 1: like jumping into those first first challenge, I looked at
Speaker 1: the knots and I was like, sweet.
Speaker 3: How would I untie that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: What's the tactic?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 3: Would I slide on the top even with the rope ladder?
Speaker 1: I knew that on a rope ladder it's going to
Speaker 1: be moving about when I climb up, So I put
Speaker 1: both hands on either side and slid them up the
Speaker 1: rope because I knew that if I had take my
Speaker 1: hands off and then back on and had to try
Speaker 1: and catch the rope, but hands on the side, you
Speaker 1: could slide up. I was just break compartmentalizing everything, breaking
Speaker 1: it right down to its base elements, and then making
Speaker 1: a plan of action and then executing.
Speaker 2: See, I'd be planning a social game, so be rewatching
Speaker 2: Survivor where you just watched James Bond and Mission Impossible movies,
Speaker 2: and that is how you became a challenge based you know,
Speaker 2: we have to talk about this show Man's because it
Speaker 2: was a huge part of your storyline. Did you go
Speaker 2: into the house thinking that there might be a love
Speaker 2: interest for you?
Speaker 1: I definitely knew that there was the potential for that,
Speaker 1: and that was something that I wasn't too sure if
Speaker 1: I wanted to enter into, because then I would you know,
Speaker 1: that can be used as a weakness, you know, if
Speaker 1: I did have a girlfriend on there, then they could
Speaker 1: use that as all right, we're going to start attacking
Speaker 1: her to get to him, you know, if I'm untouchable.
Speaker 1: But it was a hard one to have one to
Speaker 1: pick because it's like, do you want to go down
Speaker 1: that storyline and does that want to be what you're
Speaker 1: known for on Big Brother as well. That's another thing
Speaker 1: that's lingering in the background, because I really was focusing
Speaker 1: on the challenges and the social game and the strat
Speaker 1: but then all of a sudden, you are now mixed
Speaker 1: up in this like little relationship and it's a hard
Speaker 1: one to you know, get out of once you're ended
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: And that's what.
Speaker 1: Happened, right so after we split, you know, when our
Speaker 1: separate ways, then people started playing us against each other,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you feel segregated, and essentially what
Speaker 1: we really wanted was to just for the house to
Speaker 1: go back to normal. We don't want to have to
Speaker 1: be in these awkward encounters in the house, and you know,
Speaker 1: if I go to the spa, she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: go to the spa, or if I go to the
Speaker 1: living room, she's avoiding that, or vice versa, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it was it was tricky. It was tricky.
Speaker 5: Did seem to play itself out like an unrequired romance,
Speaker 5: and the audience was continuously tweeting and wanting to know,
Speaker 5: were you ever really interested in Alicia?
Speaker 1: I think I was for a short period of time,
Speaker 1: but then the game kind of set back in, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And like I went in there
Speaker 1: to for myself to prove to myself that I could
Speaker 1: push my body to limits and see the new heights
Speaker 1: that I could reach and that type of thing, and
Speaker 1: I guess with the relationship side of things, it was.
Speaker 3: A bit of a wild card.
Speaker 1: Like I did know it was on the books, it
Speaker 1: could happen, but I didn't want that to take things over.
Speaker 3: So I think that's a big part of why I
Speaker 3: was holding back a lot.
Speaker 2: There's a bit of a bittersweet taste in the mouth
Speaker 2: of the Australian audiences watching the show over the kiss
Speaker 2: that you have with Alisha. Some people thought that that
Speaker 2: was a desperate scramble for you to get her vote,
Speaker 2: which that's not how I read it, because I kind
Speaker 2: of felt like you knew you already had her vote
Speaker 2: without the kiss.
Speaker 1: I'm worried. I believe I could be going home. There's
Speaker 1: something I need to do, and I think that if
Speaker 1: I don't, I feel like I would have regrets.
Speaker 5: But how do you read into that?
Speaker 2: Do you think it's fair for the Australian audience to
Speaker 2: believe that that kiss was just manufactured or orchestrated to
Speaker 2: keep yourself in the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely didn't see it that way, obviously because
Speaker 1: I lived at hand. But another big part of it
Speaker 1: as well, like they've only showed one conversation that we've
Speaker 1: had outside of that, you know, on the other side
Speaker 1: of the breakup, right, So we had so many conversations
Speaker 1: with each other about what we're going to do next,
Speaker 1: and how we feel and that type of thing. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it was just a lack of information,
Speaker 1: a lack of knowledge that you know, people can junct
Speaker 1: to these conclusions and say that, you know, I was
Speaker 1: using that as as leverage, but you know, she also
Speaker 1: made up her own mind and she was backing me
Speaker 1: in the scramble.
Speaker 3: And even after we did break up, she was like, look,
Speaker 3: we're still mates.
Speaker 1: I still wanted to go back to normal, and she
Speaker 1: was still on the OG side, I mean, on the
Speaker 1: newbie side, and she wasn't going to go to the
Speaker 1: OG side just because we broke up. She still knew
Speaker 1: that I was a good player and that I still
Speaker 1: would have her back.
Speaker 3: I never for one second said that I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I have to ask not just for you, but for
Speaker 2: Drew as well. The telltales sign that boys aren't necessarily
Speaker 2: into their girls is where they go on a camping
Speaker 2: trip and say, let's go home and kill our wives.
Speaker 2: So was it strange severe what have you called severe
Speaker 2: analogy there? But was that a telltale sign that maybe
Speaker 2: Drew didn't care for Sam as much as maybe Sam
Speaker 2: cared for Drew.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I was shocked when Drew came up to me with
Speaker 1: that proposition.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you something right now, there's something I definitely
Speaker 6: could never do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that I would not also do that you
Speaker 3: would also not do. Yeah, but I can do your thing,
Speaker 3: you could do mine.
Speaker 1: He just gave me a proposition that he would take
Speaker 1: out Alicia down the track if I can get Sam
Speaker 1: the victims and didn't show up. But I actually had
Speaker 1: to reiterate to him. I was like, just so you
Speaker 1: were clear, right, I'm going to get rid of Sam.
Speaker 1: You're going to get rid of Alisia? Yeah, And he
Speaker 1: was like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: And I was sweet good because I wanted to be
Speaker 6: very clear because then I knew as soon as he
Speaker 6: started talking, I was like, all right, he has given
Speaker 6: me so much ammunition.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm going to be hit and in with everything,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, all right. As soon as
Speaker 1: she started talking, I was like, all right, Joe, you've
Speaker 1: got to listen to this conversation. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm planning the next five steps ahead of this. So
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm gonna tell Alsha straight up.
Speaker 1: You know, she needs to know that this is what's
Speaker 1: going on. I'm going to tell Taraz to back me up.
Speaker 1: So there's two people, and then the two people I'm
Speaker 1: going to keep close. Right then I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: then I need to get Drew on the chopping block
Speaker 1: and how do I turn the numbers, you know in
Speaker 1: the house? And as we all know, the floaters hold
Speaker 1: a lot of power in the house because we have
Speaker 1: two big sides, and Sam was a floater, you know.
Speaker 3: As she started leaning towards.
Speaker 1: The og side, I was like, well, is she you
Speaker 1: know it gets winned that her boyfriend has made a
Speaker 1: deally get rid of her.
Speaker 3: She's not going to be very happy. She's not really
Speaker 3: going to have him in the house.
Speaker 1: So I was like, cool, I'll use that to play
Speaker 1: Drew and then they'll be going.
Speaker 3: So that was that was my play.
Speaker 2: I think the term is pulling the pin. I think
Speaker 2: you pulled the pin and threw a grenade as you
Speaker 2: left the show, and everyone online was talking about this
Speaker 2: move from Estelle last night. Getting the J crew separated
Speaker 2: is a big move. I think that the ripple effect
Speaker 2: of what you've just done with pulling the pin in
Speaker 2: this scenario will have more long term effects than even
Speaker 2: removing and separating the J crew.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Like you play with fire, you're getting it
Speaker 1: burned like I was going out with a bang, That's
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: It's a smart play by a Stell as well.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, absolutely she had to do and she
Speaker 1: you know, everyone knew that this is the one opportunity
Speaker 1: that they had to get rid of me.
Speaker 3: You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I definitely left some fires burning in
Speaker 1: the back of the walls, and you know, they were
Speaker 1: still in the living room and there's nothing on fire
Speaker 1: in there at the moment.
Speaker 3: But the river come down soon enough.
Speaker 2: I can say, knowing Estelle as well as I do
Speaker 2: and knowing her love of rap music, she understands that
Speaker 2: you've got one shut what's.
Speaker 3: The one shut? One opportunity?
Speaker 5: Way, I'm moving on, moving on very quickly.
Speaker 1: Little stab, little stab she did get rid of me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I go to my little jabs when I can.
Speaker 2: She's fantastic television to watch this series, so, you know,
Speaker 2: and I think it's just starting to get more and
Speaker 2: more interesting. Is there anything that you would do differently?
Speaker 1: You know what, As silly as it probably sounds, no, Like,
Speaker 1: I had such a good time in there.
Speaker 3: I gave it everything I had, And if I.
Speaker 1: Could do anything differently, I would have just stayed up
Speaker 1: there for a little bit longer.
Speaker 3: That's about it, I think. So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew it was a high riskireward game and
Speaker 1: I was playing to the best of my ability, and
Speaker 1: then I lost the challenge and now mount So yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was great.
Speaker 3: It was great, like the experience was.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, like lots of highs, lots of lows,
Speaker 1: Like I learned so much about myself and how to
Speaker 1: operate and all that sort of stuff, especially coming out.
Speaker 4: Of the house.
Speaker 2: So You're reunited with your ex girlfriend now in the
Speaker 2: real world, and I've met Victoria. She's wonderful. How have
Speaker 2: you gone watching the show together? Has she found it
Speaker 2: hard to watch with the Alicia storyline? Has she found
Speaker 2: she been a bit critical on how you know you
Speaker 2: could go?
Speaker 5: Has she been?
Speaker 2: I can imagine, knowing Victoria now as well as I
Speaker 2: do that she'd probably hit you and say, well, what's
Speaker 2: going on here? How's it?
Speaker 4: God?
Speaker 3: Watching the show, it's very fiery as she is. But
Speaker 3: it's great. I love it. It's good. Now.
Speaker 1: Victoria's been good about it, like she's been watching the
Speaker 1: challenges and the strat and that type of thing. And
Speaker 1: then you know it's to kind of look away from
Speaker 1: the TV when I'm cuddling up to Alicia and that
Speaker 1: type of thing. But yeah, she's fine, she's supportive, and yeah,
Speaker 1: she just doesn't really want to watch me knoling with
Speaker 1: someone else on TV, which I totally get.
Speaker 2: You just have to say, what does Sandra Bullock say
Speaker 2: in Speed? You know, relationships based on extreme situations never last.
Speaker 5: That one.
Speaker 2: That's what happens with Big Brother. All of these relationships
Speaker 2: that happened in the house, they never last. Never everyone's
Speaker 2: in the house.
Speaker 5: I love you?
Speaker 2: How come I met my soulmate on Big Brother? And
Speaker 2: then new Idea of Woman's Day Everything relationship got put.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah for TV Week, which gone don't miss
Speaker 5: out on TV.
Speaker 3: Week that's you guys, get in there.
Speaker 2: Have you made any lifelong friends? Because the Big Brother
Speaker 2: experience is quite interesting. Inside the show, you can have
Speaker 2: very extreme connections with people, then after the show the
Speaker 2: bonds can shift. You know, who have you walked out
Speaker 2: of the show and what might surprise Australia to know
Speaker 2: is your your lifelong friends?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trass, for sure. I caught up with him last night.
Speaker 1: We watched my eviction together and like, he's such a
Speaker 1: good guy, Like I love him, I reckon you know,
Speaker 1: he's going to do pretty well with the challenges and
Speaker 1: his social game that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Like I'm keen to see what he does in the show.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's just an awesome guy, super supportive when
Speaker 1: you know when we've we've caught up recently while the
Speaker 1: show's airing, like where he's talking about the different pros
Speaker 1: and cons and like the little conversations that were missed
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's awesome and he lives like twenty minutes
Speaker 3: from me, which is so crazy.
Speaker 2: A lot of fans are also discussing online about the
Speaker 2: series and what improvements they want. If you could change
Speaker 2: any element now that you've actually played the game. Is
Speaker 2: there anything in the Big Brother Game you would like
Speaker 2: to change?
Speaker 1: I reckon that they should like incorporate the weekly voting
Speaker 1: with the nominations challenge.
Speaker 3: Right, so if you were to win the challenge, you know,
Speaker 3: you have three.
Speaker 1: Housemates go up, Australia could vote and save one of those,
Speaker 1: and then the housemates would vote on the last two.
Speaker 1: I think that'd be good because that would incorporate a
Speaker 1: social side of the game as well, not just purely
Speaker 1: challenge based and becoming a big threat and that type
Speaker 1: of thing. Because if you were able to actually show
Speaker 1: that you're a genuine person, you can people can connect
Speaker 1: with you, and that type of thing like that shows
Speaker 1: through a lot more than just winning a challenge that
Speaker 1: you know, like if it was me Reggie in a
Speaker 1: tug of war, well, you know I'm going to win that.
Speaker 1: But you know, if she were to change, and people
Speaker 1: who looked at my personality versus her personality, people might
Speaker 1: fall in love with mine and hate hers or vice versa.
Speaker 1: And that way it would be a level playing field
Speaker 1: that wouldn't purely just be all right, you win challenges,
Speaker 1: let's attack this guy. You know, Okay, you've oh, you
Speaker 1: won this one and you've nominated my friends. Well now
Speaker 1: you're going down. It's more of an Australia to look
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, well, you know that was a
Speaker 1: smart play. We want to back this guy, or no,
Speaker 1: we don't like his play. He's playing dirty, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's I think that make it better having the
Speaker 1: two part element of the voting for nominations.
Speaker 2: I think I think all of the super fans of
Speaker 2: Big Brother or the purest of Big Brother are hoping
Speaker 2: for that live element because yes, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: talk about the challenges and how different that's made the game.
Speaker 2: But I think ultimately the missing piece of the puzzle
Speaker 2: is Australia's involvement on the control of the house. There
Speaker 2: needs to be some of that now. To celebrate twenty
Speaker 2: one years of Big Brother, I've dug out Bretel Colleen's
Speaker 2: questions that she asked every housemate for six years that
Speaker 2: she hosted the show. She had a top ten questions
Speaker 2: that she would ask. We're going to fly through these,
Speaker 2: so these are sort of you don't need to go
Speaker 2: into as much detail otherwise we'll be here all day.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna go Are you ready?
Speaker 3: I am? Let's get it.
Speaker 5: What did you miss the most inside the Big Brother House.
Speaker 3: I missed the beach. I like, I love going to
Speaker 3: the beach every day I can.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just missed going to the sunrise of
Speaker 1: the morning, get my coffee, watching the sun come up,
Speaker 1: and then startying my day.
Speaker 3: That was That was it? Hardly.
Speaker 5: Who was your favorite person in the house?
Speaker 3: Trass?
Speaker 1: He was cool. He was just mad on every front.
Speaker 1: He was quirky, he was funny, he had good strategy.
Speaker 1: You know, you just you can't not love him.
Speaker 5: Who was your least favorite person inside the Big Brother House?
Speaker 3: Oh? Least favorite?
Speaker 1: You know what I think is it'd have to be Gabby.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I did probably like that here and this, But
Speaker 1: you know I tried to pull some big plays off,
Speaker 1: and she kept floating between science and you know, as
Speaker 1: you can see. At one point in time, I you know,
Speaker 1: told her that you know, trust is a currency, and
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't have trust, and what.
Speaker 2: Do you have?
Speaker 5: Who had the most annoying habit?
Speaker 1: I think it had to be a Stelle, Actually she had.
Speaker 1: She kept asking people to be mindful of the like
Speaker 1: the power usage in the house, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: an odd thing to ask when there's hundreds of cameras going,
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of lights going, there's led strip turning on
Speaker 1: and off down the hallway, and she was asking us
Speaker 1: to all, you know, put out, not put our clothes in.
Speaker 3: The dryer, but hang them up on the line.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you can see the line,
Speaker 1: but there's something about four lengths of you know, space,
Speaker 1: like there's this is only enough for her for about
Speaker 1: six towns.
Speaker 5: Who was the laziest person in the house.
Speaker 3: Oh, the laziest person.
Speaker 1: Look, I didn't really see it because I was always
Speaker 1: she's kind of in there doing stuff.
Speaker 3: But apparently, like at least she didn't really do a
Speaker 3: whole lot. When it came to the cooking and cleaning.
Speaker 1: She definitely tried to give it a go, but I
Speaker 1: found her evading a lot of things.
Speaker 3: But yeah, maybe even Gabby as well.
Speaker 5: What was your greatest regret?
Speaker 3: I think the threat to Gabby.
Speaker 1: I think that could have been done a better way.
Speaker 1: So in that.
Speaker 3: Situation, what actually occurred was I had.
Speaker 1: Drew circling me during that conversation, and then I had
Speaker 1: Tim sitting only a couple of meters away, and I
Speaker 1: was just trying to get my point across in the
Speaker 1: most concise direct way possible. And what I wish I
Speaker 1: did was remove myself and Gabby from that whole situation
Speaker 1: and speak to her outside, you know, because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to give up my entire plan, So I had
Speaker 1: to give the short, sharp, sweet answer, which came across
Speaker 1: pretty harshly. And then as a result, Gabby was the
Speaker 1: swing and decided.
Speaker 3: To keep Drew.
Speaker 5: Who will be the next person out of Big Brother?
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be Tully or a Stelle because you know,
Speaker 1: I'd hope that the j crew would be straight onto
Speaker 1: a Stelle, you know, as she's put all three of
Speaker 1: us up and then I've left. But then also with Tully,
Speaker 1: like the deal that I made with Tim and Drew,
Speaker 1: I thought they would still want to follow through with that.
Speaker 1: But so yeah, I reckon one of those two would
Speaker 1: be going.
Speaker 5: Who do you think is going to win Big Brother
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two?
Speaker 1: Oh look, I've always said this and I'll continue saying it.
Speaker 1: I reckon tras like he's just such a good guy,
Speaker 1: fun loving and as you see, like in a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of challenges, is not too far behind.
Speaker 1: And I think that as more brant runners to get
Speaker 1: picked off. He's just gonna be able to step up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Like I remember the first eviction ceremony when
Speaker 1: we had the option to either keep the eviction and
Speaker 1: go ahead with it and see someone go home or
Speaker 1: save everyone. I remember sitting there thinking myself, like, how
Speaker 1: I answer this is how I'll be seen on TV?
Speaker 3: Right? But then Tarrass gets asked a question by Sonya,
Speaker 3: what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1: And he said, this is something that probably goes against
Speaker 1: the grain for everyone here and how everyone wants to
Speaker 1: be seen and all that type of thing, but this
Speaker 1: is coming from the heart, and I believe that this election.
Speaker 3: Should go ahead.
Speaker 1: That was just so crazy to see that he didn't
Speaker 1: have like he wasn't worried about any consequences at that
Speaker 1: point in time. He was just speaking his absolute truth.
Speaker 1: And I just thought, this guy is amazing. He is
Speaker 1: just the coolest dude for doing that, and I admired him,
Speaker 1: and from that day on we really clicked and became
Speaker 1: good friends and we still love.
Speaker 2: I love forever friendship out of Big Brother House. I
Speaker 2: have a few of those myself. I just want to say,
Speaker 2: before you go something, I ask everybody something I ask
Speaker 2: everyone who joins the podcast gets this question. That is,
Speaker 2: what is something from behind the scenes that we did
Speaker 2: not see from your Big Brother experience? We won't see
Speaker 2: sort of a behind the scenes secret about the Big
Speaker 2: Brother experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no ceiling.
Speaker 1: There's actually a lot of light boxes and air conditioning
Speaker 1: ducts and stuff like.
Speaker 3: That, you know, all the really good lighting that makes
Speaker 3: us hopefully look good on TV.
Speaker 2: So no ceiling, just beautiful lighting. A lot of ring
Speaker 2: lights for all those ladies.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, the whole ceiling which is coming in rings.
Speaker 2: Really mate, I absolutely have loved watching you on the show.
Speaker 2: You're a very memorable player for the twenty twenty two series.
Speaker 2: I've disappointed you're out because I think that you would
Speaker 2: have definitely shaken up the game. But thank you so
Speaker 2: much for joining us on TV Relo today and good
Speaker 2: luck with your post Big Brother experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cheers, Thanks hes Ben, thanks for having me.