1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: From the day Olivia Vivian was born, doctors told her 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: she would never play sport, but while born with a 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: hole in her diaphram, she was also born not to 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: believe in limitations. So at nineteen years old, liv represented 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Australia as a gymnast at the two thousand and eight Olympics, 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: where her team finished an historic sixth place in the 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: team final. 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: From that day forward, she's. 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Gone on to have an illustrious career as a world champion, 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: ninja warrior, Australian national gymnastic champion, and four time world 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: record holder. Welcome back to the Female Athlete Project and 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: thanks for pressing play on today's episode. I'm Sophie the 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: producer here at Tea PAP and this week Chloe sits 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: down with the acrobatic livviv Live. Opens up about her 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: journey through a toxic gymnastics culture in Australia and how 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: she found peace was sharing her journey with the world. 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: She gives us an insight into what it takes mentally 18 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: and physically to become a ninja warrior and what led 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: her to become the first and only woman in the 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: world to beat the men. On the show, We hope 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode. 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: Olivia Vivian, Welcome to the Female Athlete Project. 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: Yay, thanks for having me. I love it. This is 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: gonna be so good. 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: We have already been chatting off air, and I'm I 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: don't even really know where to start with you because 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: I'm so excited about where this conversation is going to go. 28 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 4: Now brilliant me too, And I'm like, can we just 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 4: you know, appreciate the wall and the vine here you yeah, 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 4: the blue of the orange orange, I'm not biased at all. 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, it's popping. I was meant to be here, Yes, 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: you were. I love that. 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: All right, take us back to the start. Can you 34 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 3: describe Olivia as a little kid? 35 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 4: I mean, we should bring my mum in. She's probably 37 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 4: got better stories. But I think for me as a kid, 38 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 4: I was just the wild one. 39 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: A little bit. I was the firstborn. My brother came. 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: Along eighteen months later, and I think a part of me, 41 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 4: in fact, a lot of me, was just very. 42 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: Jeal you know. 43 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: He came in, he took the attention, and then I 44 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 4: kind of just turned into this little kid who was 45 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 4: born with a hole in a diaphragm actually, and told 46 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 4: that I probably wouldn't do sport as a kid, and 47 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 4: I just turned to whatever I saw and what Dad 48 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 4: was doing. And he was a plumber and he was 49 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 4: always climbing on the roof and building cubby houses and stuff. 50 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: So I was that disobedient, cheeky monkey of a kid 51 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 4: that you know if I saw Dad on the roof 52 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 4: and Mom said, you can't do that when she wasn't 53 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: walking to just trying to like prove people wrong, I suppose, 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 4: and just so I can totally do it. If I 55 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 4: want to do it, I can do it. I like 56 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 4: that very cheeky. 57 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: Could we go back to the hole in the diaphragm? 58 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: How old were you when that was discovered? 59 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 4: That was it happened in the womb? I suppose, and 60 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 4: these days medical advancements you can detect it earlier. But 61 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 4: my mom tells the story is if you know, if 62 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: she was handed me and I was panting like a 63 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 4: dog apparently according to her, and she said this is 64 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 4: not normal. Something's wrong. So she handed me back kind 65 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 4: of I think exchange can I I'm just kidding. It's 66 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 4: a bit dark, but yeah, she requested they go do 67 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 4: some tests and they found an enormous hole in my diaphragm, 68 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 4: so all my organs down here were up in my 69 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 4: chest cavity crushing my lungs. 70 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: Wo, hence the panting. 71 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 4: And then I was rushed to Princess Margaret Hospital, the 72 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 4: Kid's hospital, and underwent a surgery that one in three 73 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: newborns survived. 74 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: Well that's a scary start to life. Obviously you don't 75 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: remember that period of time, but for your parents, that's 76 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: so scary, I know. 77 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: And the way Mum tells the story was I went 78 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: into this operation that they said would take about three hours, 79 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: and six hours passed, and yeah, she like tells it 80 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 4: if as if like she thought they'd lost me, so absolutely, 81 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 4: Like I can't imagine, you know, And that's not really 82 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: my story. I was just the one that got looked after, 83 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: and I had a surgeon named doctor King, and yeah, 84 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: performed an absolute miracle on me. And wow, yeah that 85 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: my parents had to take it from there. 86 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: And the conversation around not being able to play sport. 87 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: How did that fit in? 88 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, when with stuff like that, 89 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 4: like everything crushing the lungs and it's such a vital 90 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 4: organ in our bodies and the systems there. So I 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 4: think a part of that was just like you know, 92 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 4: cases we've seen before, the kids don't tend to do 93 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 4: really well with that, and I think it was just 94 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 4: an assumption. Wow, just an assumption based on past data 95 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 4: and stuff like that. 96 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: But they didn't know me. The girl who would climb 97 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: on rooms. That's great. Yeah, the little girl that just 98 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: wanted more attention, that's great. So you're a bit of 99 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: a cheeky kid. Totally. Where did you find a love 100 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: for sport? I did. I was very. 101 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: Fortunate, I think to have parents that just you know, 102 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 4: let my imagination run wild. And I think a part 103 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: of it was my mum going hang on to get 104 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 4: her off the roof. 105 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: Fun some of that energy into something safe. 106 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 107 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: So she kind of dragged me along to gymnastics and 108 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: I did not want to go. 109 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 4: Okay, oh yeah I was and I just was like, no, no, no. 110 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 4: And then she remember she took me into the local 111 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: pc ys. It was Claimont pcys, and I remember she 112 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 4: took me for rhythmic gymnastics, which is the ribbon and 113 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 4: the ball, you know, maybe the safer one in a sense. 114 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 4: And I walked into the gym, and I saw a 115 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 4: girl doing circles around the bar and I. 116 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: Was like, that's so much cooler than the roof. 117 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 4: You know. 118 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: I was just I was. 119 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: Hooked and I just went from there. She couldn't get 120 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: me out of the gym. Actually, yeah, wow. 121 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 3: And what was it? Was there a specific apparatus or 122 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: something that you fell in love with? 123 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 4: Definitely the bars I felt more drawn too. I'm not 124 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 4: sure if that was just my love of the swing 125 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 4: and the natural movement or just something that I was 126 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: encouraged within the gym where it's like something like vault 127 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: where the running and the punch and the jumping running. 128 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: It I bound like a deer. I still do, and 129 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: bounding didn't really produce a good vault. 130 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 4: So I think a part of it was I was 131 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 4: better at the bars, and I liked that versus something 132 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 4: like the vault, which I always got told I run 133 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 4: like a baby deer and a giraffe and you know, 134 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: and so I think as a kid, you're just like, oh, yeah, 135 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 4: maybe that's not my favorite. Yeah, but I think I 136 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: just I liked the challenge of it, and it was 137 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 4: so stimulating, four different events. There's so much to learn, 138 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 4: but I did enter it seven and a half almost 139 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: eight years old, which for gymnastics in the elite world 140 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 4: is quite late. 141 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah. 142 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: Can we talk about so Beijing two thousand and eight Olympics, 143 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: which you attended. You were nineteen years old and when 144 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: we chatted about this off air, I said, wow, nineteen 145 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: so young, and you immediately said. 146 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 4: Well, back in two thousand and eight, my nickname was 147 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: the Grandma at nineteen. At nineteen, yeah, it was the 148 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: oldest on the team and oldest in Australia at that point, 149 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: which was it was a journey like both physical and psychological. 150 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: Because when I got invited to. 151 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: Go do a trial at the Earlite Institute, I think 152 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 4: I was nine and a half. In fact, I don't 153 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 4: think I know I was in the nines because they 154 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: said I remember, they said you have to learn and 155 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: know how to do a backflip on the high beam. 156 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 4: By the age of ten, I was like, what, going 157 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 4: backwards on the beam is scary? So I remember that, but. 158 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: That when I watch it, that looks really scary you 159 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: do because it's so narrow. 160 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't worry me and my legs. 161 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 5: No. 162 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: By the age of ten, that was the expectation. 163 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 4: Well, I mean that was in terms of like the 164 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: skill progression. I think because they you know, they take 165 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: kids at four or five from kindigym and work them upwards. 166 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 4: But I was, you know a little bit late, and 167 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: they looked at you. My parents and my dad was 168 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: quite tall, and so I think they assumed that I 169 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 4: would be too tall for this sport as well, because 170 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 4: back then, like they definitely had a stereotype and you know, 171 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 4: small and thin and powerful, and it is easier being 172 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 4: a tall genist on the bars. I could probably say 173 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: it's easier to be smaller, but I don't know. Like 174 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 4: for me as a kid, I didn't like the limiting beliefs. 175 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 4: I didn't like someone else determining what I could and 176 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 4: couldn't do. And I got that from a very young age. 177 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: Wow, And for me, I just wanted to flip into 178 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: the phone pit. Come on, he doesn't come on. 179 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 4: So yeah, it was I think I just inside myself 180 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 4: was like, no, I can. I can totally do it 181 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: if I want to do it. But I wasn't an 182 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 4: until twelve when I watched the Sydney Olympic game. 183 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: Yes iiconnic Oh, what an amazing game. 184 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: So I think people you know, coaches official still chat 185 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 4: about it as Sydney. But I remember watching like there's 186 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: a screen, this is my face and then mum, you 187 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 4: know the typical. 188 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: You'll get square eyes and I don't care. 189 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 4: But I watched this Russian gymnast names Futlana Corkina, and 190 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 4: not only was she good, but she was the tallest 191 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: female gymnast I've ever seen. I think she was like 192 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 4: a one hundred and sixty five centimeters and I think 193 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 4: as a little girl, I was like, she can do it, I. 194 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: Can do it. Wow. That really hit me deep. 195 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: How did it feel then to watch, as a twelve 196 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 3: year old watch of Sydney two thousand Olympics and then 197 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: pass forward to two thousand and eight to think, oh, 198 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 3: my goodness, I know that little girl has done it. 199 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: It was It was such a moment like landing my 200 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 4: dismount on the bars in Beijing, and it just. 201 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: Felt like a It was just like a stamp. 202 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 4: You know, like to anyone that just like doubts you 203 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: or says you can't do something, like I'm a firm 204 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 4: believer that like when someone says you can't do it, 205 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 4: I look at. 206 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 2: Them like and I'm like, no, you can't, I can. 207 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 4: Like it's it really just starts with that belief, a 208 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: bit of curiosity, just wanting to become an Olympian, and 209 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: then but then sinking in to go I can. I 210 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 4: can do this because it's not easy, you know, like 211 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 4: sport is, it's an absolutely rollercoaster, and that journey definitely 212 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: was Yets Olympics. But I think the best part about 213 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: it it was having my family in the crowd because 214 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: it was a big sacrifice financially, gymnastics is not a 215 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: cheap sport, and then the schedule was really intense and 216 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 4: they shange their lives to support my dream. 217 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: So to have them in the. 218 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 4: Crowd was that was my favorite thing about it. 219 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny when I reflect on my experience in 220 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 3: Rio in twenty sixteen, that is the part that I 221 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 3: talk about without fail every time, and the part that 222 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: always makes me feel emotional because they do, like you did, 223 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 3: the roller coaster, and they are there for the really 224 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: hard times. Like I think spectators and fans and things 225 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 3: see the joy and they see the heideache in the 226 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 3: big moments, but it's just the way that your family 227 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: and your circle of people ride those waves with you. 228 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: Is like nothing else, absolutely like it. 229 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: Really. 230 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 4: You might be up there in gymnastics, you're up there 231 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 4: one at a time, one athlete at a time, but 232 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 4: it takes a village and your family, you know, whether 233 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 4: that is the one you grew up with or maybe 234 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 4: you've a chosen family. 235 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: They yeah, they really are there for the down moments. 236 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 4: They're they're the hard parts for everyone to go through 237 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 4: and witness as well, especially gymnastics being such a young sport. 238 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 4: I can't you know, I'm not my parents, but I 239 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 4: can only imagine how hard that would have been through 240 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 4: the down periods to question like do we keep supporting this? 241 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: Like yes, what do we do? 242 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 4: Because there was definitely moments I didn't want it anymore 243 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 4: and I wanted to leave. 244 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 3: You were one of a number of athletes who spoke 245 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: out about the toxic culture at gymnastics Australia. What was 246 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: that process like for you? 247 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 4: I remember I was twenty twenty and the Netflix documentary 248 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: Athlete A came out and I had teammates message me 249 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 4: and have you watched this? And I was like, oh, 250 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 4: I knew it came out, but I haven't watched it yet. 251 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 4: And I watched it on a flight I think from 252 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 4: Perth to Brisbane and it was like wow, this was 253 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: this was like my childhood in a sense, which was 254 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 4: it felt like a mixed bag of emotion. There was 255 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 4: a lot of emotions going on, but a part of 256 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 4: it was like, wow, I don't feel like crazy anymore. 257 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: Like you were validated. 258 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, the validation because I think, you know, everyone's journey 259 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 4: is different and even you might have the same coaches, 260 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 4: but we all experience things differently. There was a group 261 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: of us that just felt yea, this definitely happened. That 262 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 4: was the education, that was the environment that the fear 263 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 4: culture was certainly there. So the validation made me go, wow, ah, 264 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 4: this is this is this happened because I think when 265 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 4: it happened so often, we kind of normalized it. It 266 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 4: was just the way you did things. That's the way 267 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 4: you got results. It's the way we got to the games. 268 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 4: And then it led down the path of maybe I 269 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: should go see a psychologist, maybe I should go dive deeper. 270 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: Part of me is like, oh, don't, because. 271 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 4: It's one rabbit hole leads to another, at leads to another. 272 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 4: But ultimately that journey of self awareness helps and then 273 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: when it started spreading because it started in America with 274 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: this documentary and then I think, I think it was 275 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 4: great Britain or Europe. Parts of Europe athletes started. 276 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: Going it like the me too again. 277 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 4: And then yeah, I was one of the first in 278 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 4: Australia to at least on socials release I guess maybe 279 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 4: more of a general statement in general rather than like 280 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: going full details. 281 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: And it was hard. 282 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: I had to call teammates and go, hey, do you 283 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: mind if I said. 284 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: Like, am I crazy? Like this happened right? And check 285 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: first wow? Right. I had to send it to my 286 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: mom first wow. 287 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: Because I didn't tell her a lot of stuff, whether 288 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 4: I was taught to encouraged to or whether I taught 289 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 4: myself to just harvest that because it's not a sport 290 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 4: where you cross the finish line, you get a time 291 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 4: and you qualify. Our teams were selected by committees and 292 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 4: coaches and officials, so it was very much you conform 293 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 4: if you want to make the team. So I yeah, 294 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: I had to tell my mom like, hey, I'm releasing 295 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 4: this post. 296 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: I want you to know before public do. 297 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 4: But it really like it just continued the movement, which 298 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 4: I'm really as hard. 299 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: As it was to go. 300 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 4: You know how like intense that moment is, even though 301 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 4: it's such an irrational sense to just press a button, 302 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: but it's not. It's you're releasing a big part of 303 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 4: your story and stuff. You're not one hundred percent sure 304 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 4: it happened and had to go check and yeah, but 305 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 4: it really just created the just continued the momentum, and 306 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: then more and more gymnasts spoke out and with the 307 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: numbers we had reports done and yeah, I think we 308 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: just needed that as a community. 309 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: And was the way that it was received publicly when 310 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: you when you hit post. 311 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: Was that part of a healing process for you? Massive? 312 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 4: It's just another step. There was so many more to go. 313 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 4: But you had you know, gymas that I hadn't even 314 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: spoken to in years go, Yeah, like me to thank 315 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 4: you so much. You encourage me and you do. You 316 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: find that feedback come back really positive. But that's I 317 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 4: think a style of just communication. The way that I 318 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 4: did it. I just wanted to speak to my journey and. 319 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: Not try and blanket it. 320 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: I think that's really important as well, because I wasn't 321 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 4: monkey kid, you know, I was a different I had 322 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 4: this mom and this dad and this environment. So we 323 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 4: all kind of even go through the same journey, but 324 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 4: we experience it different based on how we raised and 325 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 4: our values and all that stuff as well. So I 326 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 4: just tried to keep it true to me, that's all. 327 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 3: How is that experience shaped the way you now carry 328 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: yourself publicly? I guess, like obviously in your own personal life, 329 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 3: but in terms of your public persona as an athlete. 330 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 4: It's certainly like, you know, I've definitely made mistakes. 331 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: I think. 332 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: The way that I was taught things or taught myself 333 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 4: stuff like my coping mechanisms definitely like isolation. Don't talk 334 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 4: about it, you know, like just pretend it's perfect, Pretend 335 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 4: it's great. And I have to catch myselfs in those 336 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 4: moments sometimes because I was taught not to admit, like, 337 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 4: you know, fault and if it was just pretend that perfectionism. 338 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 4: And parts of me is like grateful because it's made 339 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 4: me a hard worker and I am relentless because of that. 340 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 4: But I do have to catch myself and go, you 341 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 4: know what, sometimes. 342 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: You need to drink a cup of tea. As an athlete, 343 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: we're so used to like co great, yeah, yes, you know, but. 344 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: Sometimes you're like, I don't like the tea, but I 345 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 4: just need to give myself permission to go, Okay, this 346 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 4: is where I'm at. 347 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: But I think it shaped. 348 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 4: Me more to you know, really like because when I 349 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: after the Olympics, I went to Oregon State University in 350 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: America on a full ride scholarship, and after Beijing, I 351 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: was both physically and mentally broken and going, oh, I've 352 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 4: signed on to do another four years. But the environment 353 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 4: there was so different and it was so supportive. 354 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: They treated us as human beings humans and. 355 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 4: Then athletes, and they taught me so much more about 356 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 4: like confidence and enjoy the training and do it as 357 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 4: a team. And I carried that through with how you 358 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: should well, I personally believe we should be coaching athletes, 359 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 4: dealing with athletes more of that compliment sandwich style, so. 360 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 2: We highlight what they're doing really well, because I didn't 361 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: hear a lot of that. It was very much this 362 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: needs to be better, this needs to be that's not 363 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: good enough, not good enough, like all that. 364 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 4: So yeah, really just shape me and we learn and 365 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: we grow, and I think we take what we really 366 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 4: like about people and coaches and mentors and apply that 367 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: and just try to carry it through. 368 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 2: I suppose Wow. Yeah, halfway through that forgot the question. 369 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: To be honest, I just get I'm here for it. 370 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: Thank you. 371 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 3: Thank you for your vulnerability and honesty and sharing that 372 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: because it would have been a really traumatic time I 373 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: think living it but then actually publicly reliving it in 374 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: a way as well. 375 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I still fall back, like going back 376 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 4: into the moments where I don't feel good enough, Like 377 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 4: I definitely fall back into the lack of self worth, 378 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 4: the shame as well. Like I know I shouldn't like 379 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 4: I was a kid, but I think it's the shame 380 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 4: I carry through, Like of once you're perceived to be 381 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 4: over eighteen, you're an adult, you should know better, but 382 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: our brain keeps you know, I'm still a kid. 383 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen nineteen, you're a kid. 384 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 4: You don't and we really know what we're taught or 385 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 4: if you know, we now have more access to information 386 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 4: and you can ingest that and digest the way that 387 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 4: you want to carry forth. But yeah, still might have 388 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: fine moments of like feeling shame for not being better. 389 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 4: So I have to just acknowledge that that's okay, that's 390 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 4: I'm working on it. You know. 391 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: I like that you touched on the acknowledge and the 392 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 3: giving yourself permission. I think they are so underrated, but 393 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: they're so powerful, aren't they. 394 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 4: Totally Yeah, because I think when we you know, you 395 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 4: know what you want and you know why you want it, 396 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 4: and then you know that accomplishing that. 397 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: Will inspire others. It does. 398 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 4: It feels you right like you and like even if 399 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 4: we're now trying to encourage people to take a breath, 400 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: give yourself permission, the hardest part is doing it yourself first, right, yes, 401 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 4: I'm like oh yeah, And sometimes I'm like no, not today, no, 402 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 4: And then that's when you need the friend, the coach, 403 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 4: the mentor to come. 404 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: Along and be like, here comes self, love me, you know, yeah, yeah, 405 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah. So it's just learning to take 406 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: our own medicine sometimes, yeah, it is. It is. 407 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 3: My niece's running rampant outside. I don't know if the 408 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: microphones will pick up a little foot week, but she. 409 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: Came in before and said hello, and I said to her, like, 410 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: do you know what Olivia does? 411 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: Like you have lived a cool life. She got a 412 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: little bit shy, so she stopped talking. But I think 413 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 3: her mind would be absolutely blown by the life that 414 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: you have lived because there's the Olympic element in the 415 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 3: gymnastics element, But. 416 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: Can we touch on the circus? Oh sure, yeah, I 417 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: forget about the circus. 418 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 4: To be honest, does that come from I think a 419 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 4: lot of circusilated grine recruit and gymnastics was one of 420 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 4: those sports that we are just very capable of doing 421 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 4: different movements and performing well under pressure. I think because 422 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 4: it is a big one as well. I remember there 423 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 4: was a few times they tried to like get me 424 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: and contract me. But after gymnastics I opened up a cafe. 425 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: I know, right, all right, yep, I like the hustle. Yeah. 426 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 4: Well that came through a moment where I broke my 427 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 4: back and this opportunity I suppose popped up. Where's My 428 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 4: mom was like always thinking about what you can do 429 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 4: after sport, because you know, as an athlete, an early athlete, 430 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: once you accomplish that goal, it's like that's space of 431 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: now what. And she she noticed this opportunity to come up. 432 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 4: And I was laying on the couch that broken back 433 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: and I slept on it and the next day I 434 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I'm going to commit to opening a cafe. 435 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: I've never made a coffee before in my life. Oh 436 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: my gosh, that's great. 437 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 4: But I'd lost my dad to cancer earlier that year, 438 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 4: and he was a plumber, and so in my mind 439 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 4: I was like, I'm going to dedicate it to him, 440 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: and I ended up calling it the Leaky Tap and 441 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: it was all decorated and themed in honor of him, 442 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 4: which I found really special. To create a work space 443 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 4: where I got to live in his memory, I suppose, yeah, sorry, 444 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 4: that's the emotion of dad. 445 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 2: No, jew's necessary. 446 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 4: But I remember I did tuck away from the cafe 447 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 4: briefly to go with Circa sala in Montreal and help 448 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 4: them like create a. 449 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: New act for a show. 450 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 4: And then I came back to Perth and on the 451 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 4: same day I got an email invite to go back 452 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 4: to Circa Salay and then I got a phone call 453 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 4: to do this TV show in Sydney on. 454 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: The same day. Wow. Yeah, I know. I feel like 455 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: light in my life is sometimes like that. 456 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: It's like, so, what's the decision making process when you've 457 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 3: got both of these things in front of you? 458 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: Sleep on it? 459 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and sometimes it takes more than one, but 460 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 4: it's that you meditate. And I find like I will meditate, 461 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 4: I'll think about it a lot, and then overnight the 462 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: process where your brain goes through that, the process of 463 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 4: really trying to knuckle it down, and I just I 464 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 4: woke up and a part of me, a big part 465 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 4: of that was what would Dad do? 466 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: Yeah? Wow? 467 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just think the circu like is one 468 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 4: of those things. And I'm totally just probably just you know, 469 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: ignorant to think, but I was like, that could always 470 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: be there in a sense, but this is a wild 471 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 4: opportunity to just, I don't know, be a part of something. 472 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: I have no idea what it was, yeah, because I 473 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 3: wanted to ask that because you obviously had your skill 474 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: set that would have complimented quite nicely to what you 475 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: have to do in Ninja Warrior. 476 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 2: But it's pretty unique. 477 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 4: I had no idea what I was in for Chloe. 478 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 4: I do like my first season, I remember thinking like, 479 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 4: it's going to be something like wipeout. 480 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I had in my mind. I can 481 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 2: see that. 482 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I hadn't really done much training, Like I was 483 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 4: in the cafe. That was my life and I really 484 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 4: enjoyed that and a part of gymnastics like really burnt. 485 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: Me out on the side. 486 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: Ye. 487 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 4: And I just didn't even want to think about ex 488 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 4: size or looking after myself in a sense like that. So, yeah, 489 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: it was just this wild opportunity that I was like. 490 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: Oh, cool, free trip Sydney, We'll have some fun. 491 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 4: I wore a tu tou await stray you on my 492 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 4: top to like, because my dad was so cheeky and 493 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: he was just like he was just a lover of 494 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 4: life and did things, you know, just for the sake 495 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 4: of a good. 496 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: Moment and a good time and a good story. I 497 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: love a good story. 498 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I just kind of showed up to 499 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 4: season one and they show you the obstacle course one 500 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 4: hour before they start filming. 501 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: That's not a long time if you only get to 502 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: look at it or do you get a practice? 503 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 4: Right? 504 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: No practice? I know, I know, what do you mean? Yeah, 505 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 2: this is like the general misconception of Ninja Ninja worry. 506 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think we touched on the name. 507 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: It was not wipe out for it was not WHI about. 508 00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: It was ninja. 509 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 4: And yeah they I think it's because it started in 510 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 4: Japan and they have these guidelines and these rules, and 511 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 4: they want. 512 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 2: To keep it as fair as possible. They put us 513 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: in a back warehouse and we don't. 514 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 4: Get to watch each other or you know, learn by 515 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 4: watching other people do it. 516 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: And that's what I feel is. 517 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 4: The hardest part of the whole show is you haven't 518 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 4: tried it before. 519 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 3: I have not, Like, I think my group strengths would 520 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 3: really let me down. 521 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: I think a lot of things would let me down. 522 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 2: Mostly my group is strange. 523 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 4: I think gymnastics the way it carried over for me 524 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 4: was good body awareness, but everything else had to be 525 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 4: worked and trained because I hadn't done it in a 526 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: long time. And then in gymnastics, yeah, we had a 527 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 4: ten centimeter beam which was hard, but it never moved, 528 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: you know, so then you've got balance and agility obstacles 529 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 4: that you're like. 530 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 2: What is going on? 531 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 4: So I think that was the wildest part, and I 532 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 4: somehow I made it to the Warped Wall season one. 533 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 4: If you go look at the run on YouTube, it's 534 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: so scrappy. But I got there, and then I face 535 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 4: pinted it three times because I mean, like, oh, it 536 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 4: isn't like like what is that? 537 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: Like? 538 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: What is hey? Yeah, so that was the first time 539 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: you'd ever run out there. It was on television. That's cool. Yeah, 540 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: But I mean I didn't. 541 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 4: I didn't really think about the bigger picture season one, 542 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 4: Like I was just there to just you know, live 543 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 4: out a part of Dad and make sure part of 544 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 4: my favorite parts of him got to like live out 545 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 4: through me. And yeah, I ended up failing, didn't go 546 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 4: through the semifinals. 547 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: But I had such a good time, like just. 548 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 4: The crew that I met and went with and we 549 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 4: vibed out because they also filmed the show between about 550 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 4: eight pm and four am. Yeah, I know, I think 551 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 4: control lighting, control editing because at the end of the day, 552 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 4: it's still a TV show, and I imagine a very 553 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 4: stressful one for producers in a sense because they don't 554 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 4: have control. It's they set up this amazing course and 555 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 4: then the content comes from. 556 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: The athletes or the contestants or just the celebrities that 557 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: choose to run it. 558 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 4: So I think, you know, they can cut the editing 559 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 4: if it's all dark and they control the lighting. 560 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: As opposed to the sun and the shadows. Yes, right, 561 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, we had the best time. 562 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 4: Just like being all stressed all night and then like 563 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 4: just watching the sunrise in the morning together. And yeah, 564 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 4: a big part of me after failing, I was it 565 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 4: felt like that fire was lit. I was like, I 566 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 4: want to learn this, I want to get good at it. 567 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: So how did you do that? 568 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 4: Good old internet love a Google search and Perth has 569 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 4: a Ninja Academy. 570 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: Because of the TV show. 571 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 4: I think the owner his name is Dave RAVI really 572 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 4: loved the Japanese version. Also clued onto the fact that 573 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 4: America was really hyping up there and Australia tends to 574 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 4: follow in a sense if they can. And he left 575 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 4: his life as an accountant and set up this gym 576 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 4: space for people for connection and community and it was 577 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 4: amazing still there, Sorry, still. 578 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: Amazing, still there. 579 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 4: So yeah, I just started going once a week, then 580 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: twice and then three times, and then got the membership 581 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: because the one offs are really expensive and you just 582 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 4: get surrounded by like minded people. And yeah, I took 583 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 4: it from there and it totally changed my life. It 584 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 4: really did on so many different avenues as well. 585 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: And then what happened when you rocked up for round two? 586 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: Round two? 587 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 4: Well, I was much stronger. I had trained it like 588 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 4: a lot more. I learnt the wall and also understood 589 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 4: that this was TV and I just didn't want to 590 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 4: do something the way everyone else did. 591 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: So I learned to trick. I like it. Yes, Yeah, 592 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: I learned a trick on the wall. Yeah. 593 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 3: I like how you mastered the wall and then just 594 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: decided that you might just add something crazy like that 595 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 3: is yeah, well. 596 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: It's I think it is crazy to a lot of people. 597 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 4: But I did have twenty years of gymnastics, you know, 598 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 4: like there's muscle memory and there's coarse strength in there, 599 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 4: and just the confidence and that body awareness of going 600 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 4: this is where my body is, and I feel like 601 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 4: I'm in control. So I know it looks crazy, but 602 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 4: that was something i'd trained. I love. Was like, Okay, 603 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 4: I can get up a wall, and like, I'd like 604 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 4: trained this trick. 605 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: You know, even though I hadn't shown anyone. 606 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 4: Rocking up for season two, I was more nervous for that. 607 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: Run than the Olympic Games. 608 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 4: Wow, because I knew I could do the wall and 609 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 4: I had this trick and I really want to do 610 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 4: it right. 611 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: But then there was five obstacles before the war, kind 612 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: of important to get for those. 613 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 4: All right, Okay, done the steps, but then there's four 614 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 4: I've never done before. 615 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: I never tried, so it was mentally going I did. 616 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: I freaked out. 617 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 4: I like yeah, I went like full because even the Olympics, 618 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 4: I'd trained the routine, so I knew what I was doing. 619 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: In a sense, the pressure came from doing it. 620 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 4: When it counted this, I was like I definitely lost 621 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 4: it and I just had to go bring it back 622 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 4: like I used breath and the reminder of like just 623 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 4: be myself, like enjoy every obstacle, like bring in that 624 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 4: part of Dad that would just love it. And I 625 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 4: played to the crowd and just really never took any 626 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 4: moment or obstacle for granted as well, and so I 627 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 4: just I just took one at a time and got 628 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 4: to the wall and got off her, turned around, did 629 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 4: this trick, and yeah, it was such a moment, but 630 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 4: you don't realize it because it hasn't come to air yet. 631 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: Got ya. 632 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 4: So you're just kind of going through the emotions and 633 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 4: you have like your community and the commentators and the 634 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 4: producers all loving that energy. And then I became the 635 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 4: first and only female to make the Grand Final that 636 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 4: year as well. 637 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: Yes, but for me, everything just felt like. 638 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 4: A blessing, like it was like, Wow, this is really cool, 639 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 4: this is really cool. And then it was after that 640 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 4: season when I changed my mindset to start looking at 641 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 4: the bigger picture. The hang on like it's men and women, 642 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 4: we're all going to this course. And I got to 643 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 4: the grand final, and then I had someone say, but 644 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 4: that's as far as you'll ever go, because you're you're 645 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 4: just a girl, and the girls aren't as strong as 646 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 4: the boys. So I understood, like that that came from science, 647 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 4: you know, biologically, and that males can produce up to 648 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 4: three hundred times more power endurance than the female anatomy, 649 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 4: that's just you know, our science. 650 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 651 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 4: A part of me just was like, okay, so it's 652 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 4: three hundred to one, just like I'm really bad at math. 653 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 2: I saw the one. 654 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 4: It was like that, yeah, but if I truly believe it, 655 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 4: and then everything else starts revolving around that self belief, 656 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 4: like you start training harder, or you look for different styles, 657 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 4: or you look for different mentors or coaches or role models. 658 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 4: You just kind of shape your life in that different direction. 659 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 4: So I just changed the focus. As scary as that was, 660 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 4: as delusional as I felt most years rocking up thinking Okay, 661 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be the first to beat the men, I 662 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 4: was really men to be tricky to say the camera. 663 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 2: Every year. Actually, wow, I think about it. Yeah yeah. 664 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 3: And how does traveling over to Japan fit into that 665 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 3: bigger picture for you? 666 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 2: I think. 667 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 4: Japan happened like right towards the end in a sense 668 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 4: because they were the originals. 669 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: It's called saske and it's mostly for the. 670 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 4: Japanese, but they extend invites to some international ninjas and 671 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 4: that's like the heigh in my opinion, the way that 672 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 4: I see ninja. 673 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 2: It's like the highest honor. 674 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's And we did a lot of years of 675 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 4: Australian Ninja Warrior and it was only last year where 676 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 4: I got my first invite. 677 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and so. 678 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 4: A lot of that was like whoa that It feels 679 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 4: like the pinnacle in a sense in terms of that sport. 680 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 2: But we see the sport. 681 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 4: Evolving heavily now obstacle racing, I think through outlets like 682 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 4: Spartan and Tough Matter and stuff like that really like 683 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 4: put a spotlight on this sport, and so did Ninja 684 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 4: in a sense. And now in LA twenty twenty eight, 685 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 4: we'll see obstacle racing as a part of the modern pentathlon. 686 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 2: So it's going to be making history in the Olympic space, 687 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 2: which is so cool. Wow, really cool. 688 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 4: You know, as Olympians we're just you know, passionate and 689 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 4: committed to that top elite level in a sense. So 690 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 4: it's cool to watch this sport evolve and grow. And 691 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 4: because it is really cool, I love I love the 692 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 4: challenge aspect. But I also love how that, you know, 693 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 4: because I'm a big fan of sport in general, but 694 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 4: how that shapes our minds to the outside life as well, 695 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 4: because life is charging, yeah. 696 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: Yes it is. 697 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 4: I like throw some obstacles, you know, I do it 698 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 4: on purpose, you know, but I think, yeah, life and 699 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 4: it just keeps getting crazier and crazy. And I like 700 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 4: the way that it helps us shape our mind because 701 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 4: I don't see anything as impossible. I just see it 702 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 4: as a challenge. 703 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 2: I like that. 704 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 3: I ask every athlete who comes on here, what has 705 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 3: been your favorite failure? 706 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 5: Woh, there's so many. I'm a professional failure. It's true 707 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 5: that I like a lot. 708 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 709 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 2: I was raised to be ashamed of mistakes. 710 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 4: Wow, given like this world of being aiming for perfection 711 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 4: and gymnastics, I had to do a lot of work 712 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 4: to rewire my brain. And I think my favorite was 713 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 4: actually Season three of Ninja. It was after a year 714 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 4: after I'd shaped my mind and changed my focus. I 715 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 4: was in the Grand final again, the only female there. 716 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 2: So I started feeling that the. 717 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 4: Pressure and the expectation because I do it for the girl, 718 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 4: right here, for the girls, and I was flying like 719 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 4: I was like in my zone. It was so good, 720 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 4: and this one's against the clock, so if you don't 721 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 4: hit a buzzer in the finals era, I remember looking back, 722 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 4: I had a minute left and this obstacle that I'd 723 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 4: done before, and I was like, oh my god, amazing, great. 724 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 4: And I'm not sure what it was, whether I dropped 725 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 4: my guard a little bit or just was just that 726 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 4: clumsy draft again, but I tripped running to the tramp 727 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 4: and I just stumbled over this tramp and ran into 728 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 4: the water. 729 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 2: I didn't want to get out. 730 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 4: I felt like embarrassed. I felt like I'd let down 731 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 4: the girls. And after that, because it was such a 732 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 4: big comdown after the show, it's like, you really go 733 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 4: down this whole, this one event, this one moment you've 734 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 4: been training all year for, just finished, and I had 735 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 4: to go fin my why and really like dig deep 736 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 4: to why I was doing this, because you don't get 737 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 4: paid to do ninja with volunteer talent. I was running 738 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 4: a full time cafe, you know, or it was running 739 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 4: me let's get honest, and so all of this like 740 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 4: was it was that's it was my sacrifice, like going 741 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 4: and paying money to compete in all these camps and 742 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 4: get experience and train and get back into that elite 743 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 4: space again. 744 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 2: And I had to go find my why. 745 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 4: And you know, it started with like, oh, just was 746 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 4: I doing this because someone said I couldn't, Like maybe 747 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 4: at the start, but when I really took the time 748 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 4: to go deep, it was it was for. 749 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 2: That little girl. 750 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 4: Because I know that when I was told I couldn't 751 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 4: do something the one thing in the world I wanted 752 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 4: to do because I was too tall, I just thought about, 753 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 4: like if I could do something on t and inspire 754 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 4: the next girl, that was like, yeah, that was my 755 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 4: deeper why. And then I'm not going to say it 756 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 4: got easier from there, but it got more clear, and 757 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 4: it just it totally just shaped my direction and my 758 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 4: commitment because even though like the cafe was a big 759 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 4: part of my life and a big part of like 760 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 4: the way I got to like be with Dad every day, 761 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,439 Speaker 4: it was also kind of my excuse in a way, right, 762 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I was spending a lot of 763 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 4: time and energy there and so I ended up auctioning 764 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 4: off the cafe Wow, and they moved to Brisbane And 765 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 4: that was like the real commitment. That was the no excuse, Like, yeah, 766 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 4: the no excuse commitment. So I think that was ultimately 767 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 4: like the greatest failure for me because it reshaped my life. 768 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 4: And it took three more years, but eventually we got 769 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 4: into season six and I became the first fit and 770 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 4: only female in the world to beat the men in 771 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 4: the semifinals far out. Yeah, So I think, yeah, in 772 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 4: terms of achieving something that was once thought to be impossible. Yeah, 773 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 4: that was the failure that changed everything. 774 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 3: Wow. 775 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 2: It's powerful, isn't it. 776 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 4: It is your why is really powerful? 777 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? What's next? Asked myself. 778 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 4: I mean in terms of like the Ninja space, Like 779 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 4: Australia stopped filming about two three years ago, which allowed 780 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 4: me to go do it in other countries, which has 781 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 4: been incredible, and I did Guinness Wield records as well 782 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 4: and just jumped down different avenues. But I think for me, 783 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 4: what's next, I'm now sort of you know, as we 784 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 4: do more and more work on the personal development and 785 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 4: the awareness stage. 786 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 2: Like writing a memoir and like my own. 787 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 4: Autobiography, which I thought would be just be like oh yeah, 788 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 4: I can just do that. 789 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 3: No, no, no way. 790 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's yeah. And then I write one version 791 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 2: and then. 792 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, no, it's not like I'm trying to slap 793 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 4: the perfectionist out of me. 794 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 2: But as I learned more, it's. 795 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 4: Like, oh no, that's it was this, It was that. 796 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,720 Speaker 4: So I think I'm at that stage now where I 797 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 4: want more of a team and ask for more help 798 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 4: and so I can do more of the books and 799 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 4: then hopefully like a little kids series as well. 800 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 2: I love the kids and. 801 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 4: Other stuff towards life, you know, I feel after things 802 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 4: ended with my ex a couple of years ago, I 803 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 4: had to go find myself and like who's Olivia without 804 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 4: a partner and. 805 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, go do a lot of like soul searching in 806 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 2: a way. 807 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 4: And I feel at the moment, I feel like ready, 808 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 4: like my heart is open and I have a lot 809 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 4: of love to give. 810 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 2: So I'll still do the. 811 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 4: Sport for as long as I can, but we're jumping down, like, 812 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 4: you know, more energy towards the obstacle racing because that's 813 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 4: like the Olympic movement as well, and that's where the 814 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,280 Speaker 4: sport's going, you know, stuff on the autobiography and creating 815 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 4: websites and more programs for people, because I think a 816 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 4: lot of people have access now to the inspiration, you know, 817 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 4: and I will never downplay how important that is. Like 818 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 4: knowing someone's done it before seeing it inspires something within 819 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 4: us and it unlocks that oh she can. 820 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 2: Do it, I can do it. But we're now like, 821 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 2: but how we. 822 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 4: Just need more tools and resources and support, which is 823 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 4: why I love, like, you know, the Female Athlete Project, 824 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,919 Speaker 4: right we're talking about more women in sport where it's 825 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,919 Speaker 4: showcasing these sponsorships that all of this thing is more 826 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 4: like transparent now, which I'm all for, but we still 827 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 4: need that support, the help, the encouragement because this is 828 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 4: so powerful and even as females like to change the 829 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 4: way that we our routine and what we do and 830 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 4: how we speak and what we think we're worth and 831 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,280 Speaker 4: to stand up for ourselves and stand up for other women, 832 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 4: and it's still just a momentum and that movement that 833 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 4: I hope never stops, Like I believe it's going to 834 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 4: just keep skyrocketing for women. 835 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 2: I truly believe and the girls you're the girls. The 836 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 2: girls love yeah, how good chills. 837 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 4: Yeah. 838 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 3: Seriously, thank you so much for your time today and 839 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 3: for your vulnerability and sharing your stories. It's been a 840 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 3: really really special chat. Thank you so much. 841 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 4: I'm a big fan you like the podcast and the 842 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 4: team that you have. You know, like, I've seen a 843 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 4: little bit go on this morning, and it's really just 844 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 4: it is a testament because a lot of people will 845 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 4: see what's presented or on socials or on our platforms, 846 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 4: but not many people understand the hard work that goes on. 847 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 4: You know, everything just seems like it's so easy and fun, 848 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 4: but there's a lot of stuff that we go through. 849 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 4: So like I'm I feel grateful to be here in 850 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 4: front of the mic, but like, really like it's a 851 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 4: testament to the hard work and the effort that you're 852 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 4: putting on behind the scenes when people don't get to 853 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 4: see what's going on. 854 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 2: So that means a lot. 855 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:43,959 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 856 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 2: Seriously, I need. 857 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 3: To give you a YPG how to actually let me 858 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 3: get one out of the merch cover. 859 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I love it. Thank you for 860 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 2: having me. Thanks so much for listening. 861 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 3: If you got something out of this episode, I would 862 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 3: absolutely love it if you could send it on to 863 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 3: one person who you think might enjoy. Otherwise, subscribe, give 864 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 3: us a review, and make sure you follow us on 865 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 3: Instagram at the Female Athlete Project to stay up to 866 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 3: date with podcast episodes, merch drops, and of course, news 867 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 3: and stories about epic female athletes