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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. So we put surrogacy to

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Speaker 1: the pub test, asking if you think it passed or not,

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Speaker 1: and largely it did pass. One of the calls was

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Speaker 1: from to Neil, who shared her own story of surrogacy

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Speaker 1: with her mum's family.

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Speaker 2: I've called for the right subject because my mum was

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Speaker 2: a surry at forty years ago and had twins for

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Speaker 2: a couple who could not have kids. I'm all for

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Speaker 2: it because the end result in my story was my

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Speaker 2: mom was the biological mother, the non biological mom passed away,

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Speaker 2: and my mum has been with their dad for the

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Speaker 2: last twelve years. So I'm all for it. It makes

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Speaker 2: happy families and it creates new line.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, are there any.

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Speaker 1: We needed to know? More? So we've got to Neil

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Speaker 1: back high to Neil.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, guys, how are you right?

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Speaker 1: We were just intrigued by this story because surrogacy sort

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Speaker 1: of didn't exist much in those days, not that we'd here.

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Speaker 1: How did it come about?

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Speaker 2: Well? I found it interesting, Amanda that you said it

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Speaker 2: didn't work out great for that family. It's so easy

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Speaker 2: when you know each other. But ironically, my mum was

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Speaker 2: back then and still is a battling single parent, and

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Speaker 2: she saw an ad in the newspaper for a childless couple.

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Speaker 2: She met with them, and so did one other couple,

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Speaker 2: and they chose my mum because she was a single parent,

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Speaker 2: and they probably knew she wouldn't have any more kids.

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Speaker 2: Like I said earlier yesterday, the catch was she had

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Speaker 2: to be the biological mum because the other lady could

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Speaker 2: not produce anything. And I'm not religious, but I truly

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Speaker 2: believe there was someone upstairs helping out because the child

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Speaker 2: that she was going to have turned into twins. It

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Speaker 2: was all done under doctor McBride, you know the doctor

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Speaker 2: he discovered solidemide, etc. He similar to when he falsified

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Speaker 2: things back in the day. He falsified the birth certificate

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Speaker 2: so it actually had the non biological mum's name on

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Speaker 2: the birth certificate. He set up a team and told

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Speaker 2: them all the story and they were born at twenty

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Speaker 2: six weeks now forty years ago. That was touch and go.

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Speaker 2: They were born Christmas Eve, so my mum gave birth,

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Speaker 2: she came home to cook kiss Christmas dinner. The next night,

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Speaker 2: the non biological mom stepped in due to complications. We

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Speaker 2: were so I had an older brother. We were always

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Speaker 2: raised knowing that these girls came out of my mum's tummy.

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Speaker 1: They were told, Neil, was it your mother's Yes, they are.

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Speaker 2: My mum's children, yep. And so we used to catch

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Speaker 2: up with them once or twice a year because the

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Speaker 2: complications at birth kind of forged a relationship with that

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Speaker 2: couple and my mum, and so we grew up knowing them,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. And then sadly their non biological mum passed

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Speaker 2: away and their father started seeing my mum more often,

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Speaker 2: and we started to worry, thinking, maybe he's sick and

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Speaker 2: he just wants to make sure there's someone in the

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Speaker 2: girl's lives.

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Speaker 1: How old were the boys when their mom died fifteen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And then sure enough, a few years later, my

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Speaker 2: mom and their dad get together, and now the twins'

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Speaker 2: actual parents are dating and have been ever since. Wow.

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Speaker 1: At the time, or this just seemed like a natural

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Speaker 1: progression for you.

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Speaker 2: Because my brother and I were always told these girls

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Speaker 2: came from mum's tummy. Being so young, we didn't ask questions.

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Speaker 2: We just accepted that, you know. And I think because

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Speaker 2: my mum was a bat length single parent, she was

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Speaker 2: able to do it so easily because she knew she

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Speaker 2: couldn't afford it, she knew they were never going to

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Speaker 2: be her kids, and she didn't have that maternal instinct

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Speaker 2: into wanting having more kids, and so it just all

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Speaker 2: worked and she's a pretty sects Now. Yeah, well, they

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Speaker 2: don't call my mom mum, but their kids all call

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Speaker 2: her grandma. The highlight for me was when one of

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Speaker 2: my sisters got married, the first one to get married.

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Speaker 2: Their dad got up and he said a lovely speech,

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Speaker 2: and to finish the speech he said above all, I'd

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Speaker 2: like to think, Robin, because without what she did, none

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Speaker 2: of this would happen. And you could think about it,

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Speaker 2: there's a whole wedding and none of those friendships, none

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Speaker 2: of those relationships, the marriage would have occurred if my

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Speaker 2: mum didn't have kids for this couple. Isn't that amazing.

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Speaker 1: Arrangement?

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Speaker 2: It was back then. She I think she got paid

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars and you can imagine to a single

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Speaker 2: parent who is struggling, that's a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Back there, books, you wouldn't have been advertising.

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Speaker 2: That to the world. Yeah, yeah, very much. So thank

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Speaker 2: you for.

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Speaker 1: Bringing up and being part of that. That's see that

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Speaker 1: works what a story