1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Question Everything returns at eight thirty tonight on the A 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: b C. Will Anderson is with us this morning. Good morning, Will, 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: good morning. Thank you very much for having me. I 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for being with us. Season three already. Well, 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: we don't like to out season. We don't like to 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: count season one. That was our lockdown COVID season. We 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: decided that's just you know what, this is season two, 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: season two. There are some shows like The US Office 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: and Parks and Recreation where you're like, don't watch the 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: first series, right, actually, just come into series two. That's 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: when it gets good. 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 1: Doesn't It's like when the first floor is actually up 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: some stairs. 15 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: It's rather than being you know, down the bottom. I 16 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: get you all the hotels that don't have a thirteenth floor. 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: You know, you're just like twelve and fourteen, and you're like, fourteen, 18 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: this isn't thirty. Yeah, it's my first marriage. It doesn't 19 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: really count. Practice. 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: What's covered in episode one of season two, well, for. 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: People who only read the news headlines, this is the 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: show for you is basically what we've distubbled on our show. Yeah, 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: is those bigger letters at the top of the article, 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: like lots of people just read those, but if you 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: actually read the smaller letters that are underneath the bigger letters, 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: they will often tell you that the big letters are 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 2: full of shit. They'll tell you that the big letters 28 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: are talking a big game, but they might not be 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: accurately reflecting what is going on in the rest of 30 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: the article. And then the little letters need to come 31 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: in and go actually the few provisors to what the 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: big letters might have led you to believe is going 33 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: on in the world. So we like to read the 34 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: little letters and tell you what's been going on. You know. 35 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Another thing that annoys me about those articles with the 36 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: big letters and then a couple of little letters, and 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: then they have the first paragraph and that's always the 38 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: exact same thing that was. 39 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: In the big letters at the top. Yeah, and they're 40 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: just repeating the lot I are that point because the 41 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: actual truth of the article is about five paragraphs. 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: Now. 43 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeahs will have people say your researchers are amazing, what 44 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: do they do? And I'm like, read to the end 45 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: of the article. Yes, no, entire process. 46 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: It's a bidlve fishing though, isn't it. Let's be honest. 47 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: The headline is the bait and it works very very often. 48 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 2: Well. The thing is also that most of us just 49 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: read the headline. So even if you are a person 50 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: who say, for example, we had the big vote obviously 51 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: on the weekend, if you're a person who wanted to 52 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: read about that, chances are if you went to a 53 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: new site, you would read two or three articles if 54 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: you want to be informed, but there would be like 55 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: twelve or fourteen articles and you would just skim the 56 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: headlines of the rest of them. So your idea of 57 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: what the rest of the debate is like is often 58 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: formed out of the fact that you just read the 59 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: headlines on Monday morning and posta conglu the Australian football 60 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: coach kicking big goals over there in the EPL he 61 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: won Manager of the Months for the second month in 62 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: a row. That by itself is news. You can report 63 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: that as news. That is proper news. The headline was 64 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: and does something no man has ever done. That's overstating 65 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: it a. 66 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: Little selling it's. 67 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 2: Didn't correct a woman publicly. Yeah. 68 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: No, there's one thing about headlines that drives me mad 69 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: online And if there was one rule we could introduce 70 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: with social media is that you are you are literally 71 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: locked out of commenting unless you've read the actual article. 72 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: You're not allowed to physically write a comment in the 73 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: comments section if you've only read the headline rather than 74 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: reading through the article. 75 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: I like this. I've got a couple of systems I 76 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: think that we need to work on. I think this 77 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: one can definitely be incorporated in which is, Yes, you 78 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: have to read the paragraph to unlock the capacity to 79 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: comment on that parent exactly, so you've only read the headline. 80 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: Your comments go directly under the headline. They do not 81 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: go at the end of the article and imply that 82 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: you've read through. You can only unlock each stage once 83 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: you've read it. The other one is you can read 84 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: about your bikini shots of celebrities, or your Kardashians, or 85 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: your royals or whatever it is that you're interested in. Yeah, 86 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 2: first you have to read an article about something that's 87 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: actually important to the world, like climate change, and answer 88 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: three questions to unlock those three other articles. You've got 89 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: any avengeables before you get your deserve? 90 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, because you could have the headline commenters in 91 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: another section called I just came here for the comments section. 92 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, because. 93 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: My comments on the headline now I play. 94 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, right, that's become a whole new thing. Has 95 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 3: how many enough enough? So just having a crack at 96 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 3: each other because it doesn't take longer. Yeah, it's nasty for. 97 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: The algorithm of all these things rewards conflict as well. 98 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 2: This is the world that we live in now where 99 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: people actually don't want people to come to consensus because 100 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: the consensus doesn't keep you online. Like when people agree, 101 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: they just go, oh, we've just agreed with each other. 102 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: Let's go and do something more productive with our lives. 103 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: Whereas when people disagree, they're just like, all right, here's 104 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: the rest of my day fighting with this person I've 105 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: never met and we'll never meet. 106 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the person who just commented I I don't care 107 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: about this, Okay, who. 108 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: Are on this one? Who are these people? Which is 109 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: all the one I love? And I was like, actually, 110 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: if you read the article, it explains who they are. 111 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we must congratulate you. After nine years, your podcast 112 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: Philosophy has just celebrated three hundred episodes. You were one 113 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: of the first on this brand new world of podcasts. 114 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: What do you make of what it's become is that 115 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: what you thought would happen nine years ago, that it 116 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: would be like you know a lot of people have 117 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: a podcast. 118 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny, like I have another podcast that started 119 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: like thirteen years ago, and it literally these people last 120 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: thing I can tell you what it's about. My other 121 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: podcast TOFOP, I can't tell you what it's about. Because 122 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: when we started doing podcasting, yeah, it didn't need to 123 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: be about anything. The fact that it existed was enough. 124 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: People were like, oh my god, it's a podcast. No 125 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: one was asking follow up questions what's a podcast? And 126 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: how do I download a podcast? And so yeah, we 127 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: never imagined that, you know, one day everybody in the 128 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: world would have their own podcasts. 129 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: Yes, all those people have got three hundred podcasts plus. 130 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: They all started with the you know, the blanket over 131 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: their head and you can hear there. Really, the first 132 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: fifty odd episodes are really bad, which it was like 133 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: that will with the sound quality of Nail. 134 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: It literally had episodes where we talked into the wrong 135 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: side of the microphone. We knew so little about how 136 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 2: a microphone worked that only one side registered, and literally 137 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: there was about twenty episodes where we were misled into 138 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: which side and could not work out why the sound 139 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: quality was so bad. We were literally talking into the 140 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 2: wrong side of the Mono Brothers. 141 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: It's bizarre, you know. 142 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: Thirteen years sound the track and thirty odd foot of 143 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: podcast is still my favorite title for a podcast of 144 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: all time. 145 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: Well that shack in the day you thought you had 146 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: to have the word podcast in the title. 147 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: Not long ago exactly, Question Everything, Words to live by 148 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: Return turns at eight thirty tonight on the ABC. Good 149 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: luck with season two slash three or three slash two 150 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: actually question every there and will yes, We'll talk to 151 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: you again.