WEBVTT - 📼HOW TO MAKE AN AUDITION TAPE FOR REALITY TV! 📼 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.560 Welcome back to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.160 on this podcast, I'll be going behind the scenes with 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.600 the biggest players in television. On this episode, I have 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.879 Holly Bryer, a casting specialist who you would meet in 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.560 the initial casting process when applying for a role in television. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.280 Chances are if you've applied for reality TV, you've probably 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.800 had a zoom chat with her as shares help cast 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.520 people right across all major television networks. Holly has a 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.680 degree in TV production and understands being in front and 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.040 behind the camera, which gives her the perfect insights into 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.640 finding the right cast for the shows that she's been 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.879 hired to work on. Holly works across reality TV and 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.280 TVCs and knows exactly what the producers are looking for. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.839 Getting hired right across the bigger shows in television might 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.600 sound like hard work, but with Holly's disarming personality, she 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.080 can gather all the right information to move you up 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.240 and down the ladder in the selection process. With more 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.400 people wanting to be on television than ever before, it's 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.840 fascinating to know some of the dues and don't when 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.280 applying for upcoming programs, and Holly has a masterclass in 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.560 the works, which today's episode is really just a teaser four. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.480 So I'd like to welcome you to today's guest. It's 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:11.119 Holly Bryer. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.479 I just want to hear your story. I just want 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:19.160 to hear about you. Google boxes are that and I 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.319 don't really care about what you look like if you're 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:22.200 having a bad day. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.400 The new season of Old People's Home for four year Olds. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.200 Be as honest, be as open, because it makes my 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:32.000 job easier. Welcome to the Amazing Rights to Australia. So 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.319 if I have to pitch you to the EPs or someone, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.080 I want to get as much information as possible. As 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.320 long as you're putting good, you're feeling confident, all goes 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.039 in the herhor and I don't want to manipulate you 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:46.800 at all, but that's not my job. 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.360 How are you mate? Are you well? 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.520 I am very well, very excited to be chatting to you. Ben. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:52.800 We're finally making this happen. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.600 I know. I'm so excited. You have cast the likes 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.480 of have MERRITI first side Australia has got Talent, Secret 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.440 Life of four year Olds, Goggle by your House Rules 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.720 the living Room? What shows out of those do people 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.880 want to be on the most? Oh? 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.840 Gosh, to be honest, I feel like it's the dating shows. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.280 I feel like people want to go on the dating 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.400 shows the most. I think because it's less risk, it's 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.720 a bit of fun, and then when they come off it, 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.120 they can leverage off their exposure. But that's what I 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.880 find people want to do most is the dating shows. Yeah, 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.320 I think everyone wants to find love. I think everyone 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.160 wants to find that fairy tale if you could find 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.520 your person on national television. I mean, I mean I 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:36.040 do it? 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:36.440 Would you? 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:37.519 Yeah? 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:38.440 Knowing what you know? 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:40.040 Yeah? Maybe not. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.400 I understand. I believe him for love and first sight. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.560 Hopefully tonight I'm going to meet the girl I'm going 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:44.960 to marry. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.560 His ability to endure is well known. That's lucky for 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:50.320 the survivor. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.359 That definitely makes it hotter, Like what can this guy 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:54.760 not do? 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.359 But can he survive a mansion full of beautiful women? 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.440 Ready? Oh? Not a bad rook? Perfect package. He's so 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.480 cool if he is sexy. 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:07.880 You know. What I've come to realize is that people 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.320 who want to be on TV aren't usually the best 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.080 people for TV. Do you think that's true? 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.919 Now? Look, I feel like we live in a society 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:17.880 where everyone wants to be known, everyone wants to have 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.400 a voice, everyone wants to be heard, everyone wants to 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.040 be famous. And I think reality TV has opened up 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:27.400 such a platform that anyone can be on TV. It 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.440 doesn't really matter your background. You don't need to go 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.760 to acting school. You could be on Home and Away 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.840 and just do one stint on the batchy. So anyone 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.800 can do it, and I think that's what people love 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.160 about it, where they can be somebody. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.480 I think that there's definitely some truth in that. You know, 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.640 they say that casting is crucial to all shows. What's 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.760 the time though, where casting's gone bad? In your mind? 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.160 It's really hard for me because I obviously do the 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.200 casting process, but then I hand it over to story 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.640 producers and they kind of run with what's going to 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.520 happen thereafter. But I think sometimes when I have someone 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.240 in mind, I'm casting them like they'd be great for X, 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.200 Y and Z, and it doesn't quite work out for 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.720 them is because they've fooled meat in the process and 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.800 they haven't really been themselves, so they've become someone else. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.440 Because I think, oh, this is what she's gonna like, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.000 I'm going to be the person that won last year, 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.760 but that's not really what we're looking for. So then 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.200 over time, you know, episodes in, they're suddenly not that 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.680 person that I first spoke to because not being themselves. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.560 So that's usually what happens, and then it's a bummer 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.839 for us. People are like, oh, you're not as funny 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.440 as we thought, or you're not the villain, or you 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.320 really want to find love. Oh that's a bumber shame. 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.479 So that's usually what happens. That's why I'm always like, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.600 be yourself from the get go. Don't be anyone else. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.520 You've just got to own your quirks, your flaws, everything 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.120 that you like dislike about yourself, because that will carry 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:44.840 you through to the end. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:46.960 You know, for you and your brand, what is it 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.800 that you're looking for with casting? Because you know, we 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:53.400 hear the words authentic, we hear the words engaging, entertaining, polarizing. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.960 Outside of that or maybe inside of that, what do 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:56.880 you look for? 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.560 I want to know who you aren't very core, what 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.880 makes you sad, happy? Why you want to be on 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.560 the show. Don't give me answers that you think will 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.359 get you on this show. Just I guess trust. You 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.880 have to trust me, and then I'll believe you and 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.360 then pass you on. So I think that's that's the key. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.920 It's the nuances, it's those human moments. Even if you're 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.279 frustrated with a camera not working, be frustrated with a 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.560 camera that's not working, that's truly you. That could be 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.560 the human moment. You know, when we put a lot 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.640 of pressure on ourselves, we're like, oh, I've got to 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.520 say this and I've got to say that, and then 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:33.760 they script it into their mind. You're slowly diluting the 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.560 you know, the thing that's going to get you on there. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.560 Yeah, and there's only one you. There is only one you, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.039 and you might not get on this year, but a 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.920 lot can happen a year. Come back the next year. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.080 You might have got married, divorced, had a kid, lost 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.880 a job, been through something health wise. Your story is 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.440 ever evolving. Just keep going and don't take it to heart. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.719 I think people go, oh, she didn't like me, or 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.480 I wasn't pretty enough, or I didn't do this, or 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.080 I didn't say that, I wasn't funny. Who cares? I 0:05:58.200 --> 0:05:59.160 just want you. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.919 You might not remember. But On the Hills, which was 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.440 this show, that was in Los Angeles. It was a 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.400 reality show. There was this moment with Heidi Montag where 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.720 she's sitting there talking to her mum after she's had 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.520 all this plastic surgery, and her mum says to her, 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.360 why did you do this to yourself? There's only one 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.520 Heidi Montag, and you've gone out of your way to 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:17.799 just look like everybody else. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.080 It sounds to me like you want to look like Barbie. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.120 I do want to look like Why would you want to. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.400 Look like Barbie? To everybody else that saw you, you 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:27.040 were Haidi. 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.760 Nobody in the world could have looked like Hadi Montag. 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.320 And that was a real moment for me because I 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.119 truly understood that. I think there are so many people 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.560 in this world that will hold up this archetype as 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.320 to who they think they should be and how they're 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.680 going to be the most liked. And then all you're 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.160 really doing is simplifying yourself, you know, because we've seen 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:48.680 it before. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.720 Yes, for yourself, and look if it is the Bartox 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.400 and it is the Barbie. Look if it is those things, 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.320 then do it. But aren't it? Yeah, that's your thing? Awesome? 0:06:58.480 --> 0:06:59.080 I love that. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.080 How do you know people are being dishonest? Are you 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.520 able to work out certain mannerisms because you've been doing 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.280 this for a while and working on some of the 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.320 best shows in Australia, can you pick up on things 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.520 that make you think, oh, okay, this person might be 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:12.280 being dishonest. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.920 I do have a pretty good radar now. Yeah, I 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.000 hate to say it too, like even in my personal life, 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:19.800 like I'll pick up on friends and family that are 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.440 being dishonest or something's going wrong, and I actually wish 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.560 I didn't. I actually wish I was a bit naive 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.800 to it. But I think you've got to be able 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:28.920 to read someone. And I just love people and I 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.200 love listening to them, getting to know them. And if 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.120 I feel like there is a bit of it's not 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.360 really who they are, or they're being a bit dishonest 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.720 so they're trying to hide things, I don't feel a 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.560 bit icky and I'll be talking to them and I 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.080 probably won't be listening as much. I'll zone out. Yeah, 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.640 with casting as well, like I do obviously a lot 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.280 of digging, a little bit of social media stalking, which 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.600 is part of the job, which I love. And if 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:52.800 you tell me something and then I find on your 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.440 social media that it's complete opposite. Yeah, you can't hide anymore. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.400 How much stalking do you do? Like, what's the first 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.800 what's like alist that you have when when you log 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:02.960 into someone's social media. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.720 Oh, I don't know how much I should actually say, 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.080 but these days people do have everything quite public. So 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.800 even on their Facebook, they'll have a lot of political 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.920 views or things that they have opinions about and it's 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.480 all public for everyone to see. And I guess that's 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.200 something you know. Hot tip for you guys, maybe clean 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.000 up your social media. If you want to be on 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:23.840 a TV show? 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.920 Can you tell if people? Can you tell if people 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.000 are desperate for fame or not? You know, when you're 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.360 sitting there in front of someone, can you go, Oh, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.880 this person's only in it for as you said, like 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.240 the Insta followers or to be an influencer. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.640 Yeah, but again say that to me, tell me if 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.400 you do just want those things, let me know and 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.520 again own it. Like it's better to just say I 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.320 want to grow my Instagram followers, or I really like 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.160 to be an actor, or I really want to get 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.120 my music out there, or I really want to find love, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.640 and then I want our wedding to be broadcast, national TV, 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.679 whatever it be, be honest about it, and that works 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.400 much better than trying to hide the fact that you 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:02.680 might want to be famous or not. 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.880 What do you reckon? The biggest mistake is that you 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.920 notice when you're doing an interview with someone over zoom 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:09.720 or watching an audition video. 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:15.040 Oh god, some don't yeah, trying to be someone that 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.760 you're not. It's just I'm just not I'm going to 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.680 zone out. I'm going to see you right through it. 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.480 So that's a number one thing for me. I think 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.360 if you turn up and you are filming in your 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.160 car or in your bathroom as a self tape, probably 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.000 not really going to like that either. I'll probably put 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.319 you forward if you're amazing but not ideal. So choose 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.480 your location, not in a bathroom, not in a car, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.599 and just keep it simple, nothing crazy, messy. In the 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.520 background in your bedroom if you've just got all your 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.560 personal belongings close everywhere, drawers, I don't know, I don't 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.320 really want to see that. Just tide the room up 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.720 a little bit. Hot tip there, sunglasses. Don't wear sunglasses. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.120 I don't know why people do it. I don't get 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.600 I really don't get it. Because I want to see 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:56.920 your eyes, want to see the twinker. I want to 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.600 see you smile unless you laugh. Don't wear sunglasses, don't 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.719 wear a hat, don't wear a beanie, like, take all 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.960 that off and just be you. Yes, I guess that's 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.720 with zoom and the self tape. That's kind of a 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.439 few tips. And don't over edit it. I find that 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:18.840 lots of people put music and photos and texts and 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.120 it's not an Instagram reel like I don't want to say, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.840 I don't see lyrics. Literally set your phone up, landscape 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:27.920 you with a plane backdrop, and just talk to me, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.040 tell me your story. It's as simple as that. Definitely 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.320 knowing your brand, knowing who you are, but that's case 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.959 by case, Like I couldn't give you a magic formula 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.800 to creating the best self tape or rocking up on 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.400 the day, because again I have to talk to you 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.840 individually and work out your strengths and weaknesses and what 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.960 you could bring to the table. So everyone's different. But 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.560 just some basic things like that, and keep it to 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.520 one to two minutes, not too long, guys, not too short, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:53.320 and nothing up the nose. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.640 No one's ever been cast in the world with the 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.679 angle up the nose. It's actually hilarious. You know, what's 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.160 the hardest character archetype to cast in a series? You know, 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.000 we often see that there's briefs for certain roles on 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.040 a show. Do you find the hero, the villain or 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.840 maybe the love interest? Like which which is the hardest 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:15.240 to cast? 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.600 I And to be completely honest, and I guess things 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.680 will change. It depends who you're working with and what show. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.360 But I don't often get told to look for a 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:24.360 hero or a villain. And I know that a lot 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.480 of people think that that's what we're doing, but so 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.120 many more layers than that, now, you know, And I 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.680 don't often and if I am looking for that or 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.160 usually it presents itself because if you are being who 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:40.160 you are, then you'll show your villain tactics or your 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.800 hero ways. But I'm never going out going, oh I 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.680 need to find a villain today. Let me go and 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.400 stalk on Instagram for villains. It just doesn't I don't 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.000 cast like that anymore. I don't think anyone casts like 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.839 that anymore. Hope not anyway. But yeah, if people present 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.880 themselves and they I know, super bitchy or they're really 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.760 opinionated or whatever they are. I think, yeah, maybe they 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.800 might come across as the villain, but I don't often 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.360 go searching for a villain or a hero, if that 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:12.120 makes sense. The hardest brief I've had, because there's so 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.400 many of them. It's going beyond just someone with a 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:19.199 pretty face or just it's finding out what they've gone 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:23.120 through and digging and yeah, finding that story, I think. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.560 And I think that's really hard and it could be Yeah, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.840 it can be quite heavy. Sometimes can walk away from 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.920 work and go, wow, that was that was a tough 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.839 day because I heard some really personal stories from people 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.960 and yeah, does that make sense? 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.160 It makes perfect sense. And I think that's the skill. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.080 That's the reason why you do what you do. I 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.280 think is because you're an amazing communicator and but you're 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.920 also drawn to story, you know, And I think that's 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.040 so important when you're putting someone on television, is you're 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.680 looking for someone who is open to sharing that story 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.240 that other people can relate to. And you, as a 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.720 person have to have that skill set to be able 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.080 to allow people to open up like that. That could 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:02.480 be hard, yeah, and. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.679 Not everyone's got that nice, pleasant fairy tale story and 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.600 that and that is, Yeah, they're being vulnerable, and I 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.160 guess I have to be a bit vulnerable myself with 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.400 them and have empathy. Lots of shows I've worked on 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.199 where there's been incidences where yeah, I literally have gone 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:21.040 home in tears because I'm like, Wow, you are inspiring 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.000 or you are amazing. I can't believe you did X, 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.719 Y and Z so many times. And that's why I 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:25.240 love what I do. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.320 I think what's interesting as well is this is something 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.280 that's come up a lot from doing this podcast, but 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.040 are people looking for validation and redemption by going on television? 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:34.840 And is that okay? 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.600 Yeah? I mean it's totally okay. I probably wouldn't want 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.000 anyone to find validation in television, but I think if 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:43.800 they've come to a point in their story or who 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.920 they are and they're willing to share it with Australia 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.880 or internationally wherever, the platform is amazing. If you can 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.400 use your scars, hurts, whatever it is for the greater good, 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.000 I'm all about that. And if your audiences moved, like 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.600 I've received text messages emails from people before being like 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.760 I've just watched this episode, I'm wearing tears. I can't 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.880 believe this, I'm going to go follow this person, support 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.719 that charity, whatever it is. It's such a good platform 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.560 where people can share their story once they've gone through 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.480 hardship and come out of it. So yeah, it's a 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.520 good platform for that. But I wouldn't want to put 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.280 any one on TV who's still healing from those things. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.960 I think that's yeah. I think you need to be okay, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.280 yeah too raw, Yeah, yeah. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.120 You know, we often see life cycles of characters. You know, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.560 someone comes onto a show and makes a huge name 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.640 for themselves, and then for the next few years we 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.560 see versions of that, you know, looking at Meretith First 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.440 Sight for instance. Currently we're getting a lot of repeated 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.840 personality types on that show. People are getting used to going, oh, well, 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.560 I guess I'll throw a wine in someone's face. Are 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.840 we at risk of repeating ourselves too much? 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.120 I hope not, because then I'd be out of a job. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.720 But I hope. I hope that whoever's listening or if 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.000 they want to be on TV, that yeah, you don't copy, 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.320 and that you don't think that that worked last serious, 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.720 so I'm going to do this same. I think that's 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.760 the reason why there is a repeat is because the 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.080 people that are applying, and maybe a smaller pool. I mean, 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:08.960 I didn't work on the last years. I'm not sure, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.520 but the smaller pool is that it's a rinse and repeat 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.800 because the people that have applied, I thought, well that 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.280 worked last year, so I better send my audition tape 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.080 and be the same, and then anyone that might be 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.280 a little bit outside of the box is not applying 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.720 or Yeah, I'm not too sure what kind of goes 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.120 wrong there, but I do hope that people do stop 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.320 copying because I guess it's also the risk of a 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.080 TV show running drying and right, like if it's the 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.920 same old people and people zoning out going. I've seeing 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:41.200 that don't want to hear it. Did he instigate it? 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.440 What do you think couldn't wait to get into it? 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:45.480 Gonzo gonz Of? 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.880 That Mate, that's disgusting. What do you do? Throw a 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:48.400 bottle of wine? 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.280 Like the chip couple of years ago? Like, mate, he's 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.320 just a follower. So I said, it's a follower. How 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.920 much information do you know that they can obtain from 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.080 doing like a police check. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.800 Yeah, so that's more a product question, So obviously I'm 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.800 dealing more with creative and casting. But it is a 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.800 question that I do have to ask everyone that does apply, 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.480 and obviously they can share. What do they want to 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:14.280 share with me? It's always, I find kind it's always 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.320 better to be completely honest and outfront because if you 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.440 do go on a television show and there is a 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.880 bit of bad or good publicity, it's bad. It's better 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.000 that we know about it, that the network knows about 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.160 It's that you're covered from the get go, and if 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.280 there is something on your record, something has happened. Just 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.360 it's better to be honest. It doesn't rule you out, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.440 but it's just yeah, it's better for you. It looks 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:36.320 better on you anyway. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.720 What about people are wanting to apply for shows, but 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.560 you know, they might have had a health issue, or 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.720 they might have had a mental health issue in the past. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.040 I mean, again, they need to be open and honest 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.200 with you when they sit down with you. But people 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.520 still getting cast on television shows, maybe if they haven't 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.320 had anxiety or they have had something happened to them 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.760 in the past, how does that work with auditioning? 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.000 Again, just to be honest, share what you're going through. 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.280 I think the year that we've just had, I think 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.400 a lot of people are in the same boat. I 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.520 think it's so fine to share they've got a bit 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.560 of anxiety, or you've had something in your life happen, 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.520 health or family or friends or any human you know, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.240 we're real, so I think it's better just to share 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.159 it with me. It's always noted on an application, and 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:18.960 that's just a duty of care, and I think that's 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.200 really important for us to do. And I think if 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.000 anyone who wants to be on a show can rest 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.360 assured that we are looking out for you during the process. 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.399 So you obviously worked on Holly Molly. With some skill 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.040 based casting, there is it harder to find people that 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:37.560 have both the reality television chops and they have the 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.000 skill set that you require. 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.720 Absolutely, it's especially hard when I don't know the skill myself, 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:44.680 Like I don't know how to play golf or mini 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.159 golf or and I'm learning all about this stuff as 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.400 I'm auditioning them, and they're like, who is this girl? 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.200 Like is she even a professional? Like what has she 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.680 been doing? But I'm learning in the process, which is great, 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:55.919