1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily os. It's Friday, 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: the thirtieth of April. My name is Zara Seidler, and 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: helping me make sense of today's news is Sam Koslowski. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Making news today, proposed changes to the school curriculum. 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: Josh Friedenberg's pre budget update. 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: Some good news about soccer and Ramadan, and a special 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: chat with consent activist Chanel Kontos is Today's Daily Digest. 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Proposed changes to the National school curriculum will teach students 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: that the occupation and colonization of Australia quote were experienced 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: by First Nations Australians as an invasion that denied their 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: occupation of and connection to country in place. Proposed changes 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: also include replacing the terms Aboriginal and Indigenous with First 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Nations Australians or Australian First Nations people. These changes were 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: prompted by concerns from the Australian Curriculum Assessment and Reporting 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: Authority around the accuracy and adequacy on education concerning our 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: First Nations people. 17 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: Federal Treasurer Josh Fridenberg has outlined in the pre budget 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: speech that the May e eleven budget will focus on 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: economic recovery and continue to work on quote driving the 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: unemployment rate lower. Friedenburg acknowledged Australia was still in unusual 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: and uncertain times from the pandemic, and that the budget 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: will provide further fiscal stimulus in a targeted manner. He 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: also said, quote private sector growth is the essential ingredient 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: in maintaining a strong economy and a sustainable fiscal position 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: over the longer term. You can't have one without the other. 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: Over to the US President, Joe Biden has given his 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: first State of the Union's style address to a joint Congress. 28 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: During the speech, Biden reflected on the eve of his 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: one hundredth day in office, saying America is rising a 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: new choosing hope over fear, truth overlies, like over darkness. 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: He also announced a two point three trillion dollars social 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: policy plan that included paid parental leave, universal preschool, and 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: two years of free community college. And one thing that 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 1: really stood out to me was the photo of Nancy 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Pelosi and Kamala Harris sitting next to each other, side 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: by side as the first female duo of Vice President 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: and Leader of the House. 38 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: And here's your Friday good news. During an English Premier 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: League soccer match between Leicester City and Crystal Palace. Players 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: pause the game to allow Muslim player Wesley Forfarna, observing Ramadan, 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: to break his fast. Both teams and referees agreed that 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: once the sun had set, Forfara could leave the field 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: at a suitable time during the match to get something 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: to drink. Observance of the Ramadan custom meant for Farna 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: could not eat or drink during daylight hours. 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: Now that's what I call a step up from our 47 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: b story yesterday. Before we begin, a trigger warning for 48 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: this episode. Today we discussed sexual assault, sexual harassment, and 49 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 1: the reporting of these crimes. So, as I said last week, 50 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: on the last Friday of every month, we're going to 51 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: be bringing guests onto the show to chat about the news. 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: As much as Sam and I both loved the sound 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: of our own voices very very much, the Daily is 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: about making the news as accessible as possible, and part 55 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: of that is bringing new perspectives to the news. So 56 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: today we're going to be joined by Chanelle Kontos, who 57 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: herself has shaped the new cycle so dramatically. In recent months, 58 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: she's spearheaded a national conversation about consent education and the 59 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: way that we report sexual assault here in New South Wales. 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: It's an absolute pleasure to be joined by Chanelle Contos. 61 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to start firstly by asking how 62 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: you are, because you have been the center of a 63 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: lot of news stories and I imagine that must have 64 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: quite a toll. So how are you. 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm definitely getting better. I think at the 66 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: beginning I was just running on adrenaline and barely sleeping 67 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: and just trying to do as much as I can, 68 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: but pacing myself way more and just so many people 69 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: who volunteered to help with things that it's made it 70 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: so much easier, and I feel like it's just such 71 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: a collective effort. 72 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: Now your influence spread to all parts of Australia. If 73 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: you are talking to other young people who are consuming 74 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: the news, especially around sexual assault and other things that 75 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: could be triggering, do you have any advice you'd give 76 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: to other young people on how to protect their mental 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: health when reading the news. Do you have anything that 78 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: you've learned or that you've been using to help cope yourself. 79 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: I think although it's hard, and although if you're a 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: survivor of sexual assault, often you do want to engage 81 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 3: with this because you are curious. I think it is 82 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: really important to give yourself allocated time out or you know, 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: perhaps certain Instagram accounts like me for example, temporarily unfollow 84 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: if you just want to have a nice chill night 85 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: where you can scroll social media. I think telling friends 86 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: and family that although it's important to talk about, you're 87 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: not really willing or ready to talk about. And I 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: also think people need to know that that's okay and 89 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: that everyone can just do their bit to keep the 90 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: conversation going. And I do I feel really sorry for 91 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: the millions of women around Australia right now who are 92 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: being triggered by this, who are being for it. I 93 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: think it's really nice to know that the reason we're 94 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: doing this is so hopefully we're the last generation too. 95 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: So when you do read these stories, and as someone 96 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: that is in the media, I'd love to know your 97 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: perspective on this. What role do you think the media 98 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: plays and language plays in reporting these stories of trauma 99 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: and grief and assault in the most responsible way possible. 100 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: What do you want to see news outlets that are 101 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: geared towards protecting and speaking out for young women. How 102 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: do you see that playing out? What do you want 103 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: our media to be doing better? 104 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: I think the most important thing, and there's a whole 105 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: movement on this called change the headline. The most important 106 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: thing is, you know that kind of the language used 107 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: within it, it's not women gets raped, it's men rape 108 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 3: women or man rapes women. You know, it shifts the 109 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: whole perspective of what happened in the situation to blame 110 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: on the perpetrator. I think that, you know, when the 111 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: media reports on things saying, for example, she was questioned 112 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 3: about whether she had put on makeup before going to 113 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: see them or something like that, I think it's you know, 114 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 3: important for these journalists to comment on that and say 115 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: that there's no correlation between what someone's wearing and how 116 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: much makeup they're wearing and rape. And I think that 117 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: it is issues personally. Maybe that's a bias for you, 118 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 3: but I think that, you know, trigger warnings are essential, 119 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: especially for youth media outlets and things like that. 120 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: And have you seen media outlets actually moving towards this. 121 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: Do you feel like since you started acting in this 122 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: space that there has been a positive change or you 123 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: feel like it's still yet to come. 124 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 3: I think that there has been positive change especially amongst 125 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: the young journalists. And I've personally been happy with you know, 126 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: almost every article that's been written about, like as in 127 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: with someone who's interviewed me personally when they've said it 128 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: to me after I've always been happy with the portrayal 129 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: of the movement and things like that. But I mean, 130 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: it's still so far to go. I mean, it doesn't 131 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: take far for this to slip off. I mean there was, 132 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: you know, the Daily Telegraph a few months ago, this 133 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: very brave girl, Bronti came forward with her story, and 134 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: unfortunately I was the one who referred her to media 135 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: because she told me she wanted to come forward though, 136 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: and I think she was. She was completely fine with it. 137 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: But it was brave telling this story. She felt power 138 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: from telling this story, and that's how it should be portrayed. 139 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: It shouldn't be portrayed as something that's going to make 140 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: people be more hesitant to come out in the future. 141 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and hopefully, with what you're doing and with all 142 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: the other brave women, we are moving towards telling these 143 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: stories in a more meaningful and respectful manner. Is there 144 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: anything to finish on a bit of a lighter note 145 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: that gives you hope in the new scape. Is there 146 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: anything that you've been reading, anything that you've been surrounded 147 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: by that's giving you hope as we move on with 148 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: this hopefully better year than last. 149 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. Honestly, the fact that it's the 150 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: forefront of issues is that gives me hope. I think 151 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 3: how many people are talking about this beyond either closed 152 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: circles or you know, beyond those groups of people who 153 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 3: have been talking about this forever. It's kind of just 154 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: common conversation these days, and that gives me so much hope. 155 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: I got a message the other day from being told 156 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: that an eighty year old woman came forward with her 157 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: rape story for the first time from when she was nineteen, 158 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,359 Speaker 3: and it just like, yeah, it just gave me goose bumps. 159 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: And you know they. 160 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 3: Said that was after sixteen minutes at the ode bumps. Yeah, 161 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: it's so nice. 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: It's so nice. 163 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 3: And my one of my best friends, Karla, came forward 164 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: with their story in that sixteen minutes episode, and I 165 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: think it's just like, the more people who do, the 166 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: more people that will Because what I cannot emphasize enough 167 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: is that I'll learnt that assault isn't rare, but reporting 168 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 3: about page news. But if we all speak up at once, 169 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: which is what's happening, we're suddenly collective, and we suddenly 170 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 3: have so much power. And everyone's story, although unique and 171 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: important to them and traumatizing for them, it's about this 172 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 3: collective that's going to make change when we stop kind 173 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: of portraying survivors as as damaged people. 174 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: I guess well that sounds like a pretty good note 175 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: to end on. And thank you so much for your time, Chanel, 176 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: I know how busy you. 177 00:09:58,640 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: Anytime. 178 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: That's all we have time for today. 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