1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Have you ever wished you could instantly bring in a 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: team of experts to weigh in on your ideas without 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: scheduling endless meetings or waiting for replies. Well, if you're 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: using chat GPT plus, that's the paid version you can. 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: There's a simple but powerful trick that allows you to 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: create your own executive advisory board using custom AI personas. 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Imagine being able to tap into an analytics whiz, a 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: legal expert, or a creative director instantly within the same 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: conversation thread. In today's episode, I am joined by Inventium's 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: resident AI guru, Neo Applin to break down exactly how 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: you can set this up, why it's a game changer, 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and how to make Jenai collaboration as seamless as a 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: real time brainstorming session. So if you're ready to level 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: up how you use Jenai for decision making, this is 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: an episode you won't want to miss. Just quickly before 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: we get into today's episode, if you want to go 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: defilt and learn how to work with AI instead of 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: worrying about being replaced by it, I have something that 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: I think you will love. But my consultancy you invent him. 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: We've created the JNAI productivity system. It's a self paced 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: online course designed to help you boost productivity and say 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: literally hours every week by using Jenai a whole lot smarter. 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: It just a few hours. You'll go from Jenai dabbler 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: to Jeni expert with practical tools you can start using immediately. 25 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Head to inventim dot com, dot au forward slash Jenai 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: to check it out and get started today. Welcome to 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 1: How I Work, a show about habits, rituals, and strategies 28 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: for optimizing your day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha imber So. 29 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: People often think of Jenai as a single assistant, but 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: you're suggesting that we do something a little bit more dynamic. 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: Can you explain the concept of a Genai advisory board. 32 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: A lot of people may not know that. You can say, hey, 33 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: chat GPT or Claude, I want you to be or 34 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 2: pretend you are this person and it's an awesome empathy engine. 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: So you could say, pretend you're Einstein, let's have a conversation. 36 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: You could say, pretend you're the Prime Minister, pretend you're 37 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: Donald Trump maybe, and it can then pretend that it 38 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: is that person and give ideas, concepts and knowledge like 39 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: it was that person. So you can take that to 40 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 2: the next step, particularly with chat GPT, because you've got 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 2: the GPTs that you can build. So as a reminder, 42 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: the GPTs are where you can have your own prompts 43 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: within a particular GPT that every time you come back 44 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: to that GPT, it'll then remember those prompts. So to 45 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: put it in a bit of context, you can have 46 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: different GPTs for different needs. So I've got for an 47 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 2: analytical GPT, I've got one for a humanistic empathy kind 48 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: of GPT. I've also got another one for a problem 49 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: solving GPT, and the last one I've got is a 50 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: it's like a Devil's advocate GPT who kind of coaches 51 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: me with things. I can then use each of these 52 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: in different scenarios. 53 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 1: Okay, so we're not going to get into how to 54 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: build a GPT in this episode, but I think we 55 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: might have some resources, so we'll link to that in 56 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: the show notes. But I want to know specifically, how 57 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: does and I've heard you call this the AT tricks 58 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: in the little symbol AT that you'd find in an 59 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: email address, for example, So how does the AT trick 60 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: in GPT and chat GPT plus because I think, correct 61 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. This only works in the paid version. 62 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: How does this change the way that we can interact 63 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: with AI? 64 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: The old fashioned way of doing this is you'd have 65 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: a conversation and then you would then paste all of 66 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: that into another thread with another with with a particular prompt. 67 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: And so you're cutting and pasting for different threads, and 68 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: each thread has a different personality or perspective in it. 69 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: So I'll cut and paste into a thread which is 70 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: all about analytical stuff, and then I'll cut and paste 71 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: it into a problem solving stuff and that's a bit annoying. Now, 72 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: with the GPTs, once you've a created them and b 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: the important thing is talked to them, Then when you've 74 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: got a new thread going, you can hit the AT 75 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: symbol at the start of what your prompt would be, 76 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: and then it pops up with effectily a pop up 77 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: saying which of your GPTs that you recently used do 78 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: you want to bring into this chat? So, rather than 79 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: you bring in the content to the GPT, in this case, 80 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: you're bringing the GPT to your chat, and so you 81 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: can then bring each GPT in as you need to. 82 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: So it's almost like saying, hey, analytical person, come and 83 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: join the chat and what do you think about this? 84 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: And then hey, problem solving person, come and join a 85 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 2: chat for this. Or you might have an industry knowledge person, 86 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: or you might have a mass expert person. Whatever your 87 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: needs are, you bring them to your chat with the 88 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: at symbol. 89 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: I love this so much because I was one of 90 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: those people that was just hopping into new threads essentially 91 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: when I needed to do this. But now that I 92 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: know when you taught me this shortcut, I just love this. 93 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: Now I know you recommend assembling a dream team of 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: custom GPTs, can you tell me about some of the 95 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: key personas that should be included. 96 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: This is entirely up to you and your needs. So 97 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: I like problem solving, I like analytical things. I like 98 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: having a different customer perspective on things. These are the 99 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: kind of things that I work with. But just say 100 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: you're in sales, you may want to have certain personas 101 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: or GPTs for types of clients or industries that you're 102 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: working with. Potentially, if you're in HR, you might have 103 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: an industry regulation GPT, you might have illegal GBT. So 104 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: who do you wish that you had sitting right beside 105 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: you to ask question of any time of the day, 106 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: they're u GPTs. 107 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Now, when you were describing this, I heard you say 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: like these need to be recently used GPTs. Can you 109 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: tell me about the purpose of what I've heard you 110 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: call the first hello rule and why this is a 111 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: crucial step in this process. 112 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: The interface in chat GPT is less than awesome for this. 113 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: And in order to use the AT to then get 114 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: a pop up and then say hey John, my Chad, 115 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: you must have talked to these GPTs recently. And so 116 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: if you've just created a GPT and you hit the 117 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: AD button, it will not pop up in the pop up. 118 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: So you've got to at least say hello to the 119 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: GPT or whatever. It doesn't matter what you say to 120 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: the GPT, but you must have used it recently in 121 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: order for it to pop up in the AT pop up. 122 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: Okay, So can you walk me through a real world 123 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: example of using multiple gen AI experts in adverted commas 124 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: in a single conversation. 125 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, if you're writing a complicated document for a 126 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: particular client, say maybe it's analysis piece. Maybe it's a 127 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: like a pros and cons kind of piece, bringing in 128 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: say an analytical expert is always a handy thing. So 129 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: which bits of I missed? How can I improve this? 130 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: Also a problem solving maybe you get stuck halfway through 131 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: you're building that you can bring a problem solving GPT 132 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: in there. But I also like using it for an 133 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: audience GPT. So imagine if doing something for a COO 134 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: or an operations lead. So then I can say, hey, 135 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,559 Speaker 2: I've got a GPT for an operations lead. What would 136 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: you think about this? What would you want to see 137 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: in this document? So it's almost like you've got an 138 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: expert within that role coming in to validate what you're doing, 139 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: making sure that it's kind of right. 140 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: So what types of decisions or tasks benefit most from 141 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: using I think what we jointly refer to as an 142 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: AI advisory board. 143 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of using it for problem solving, 144 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: getting things right. It's less applicable to writing and creative 145 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: type endeavors. So if you're doing a LinkedIn post, probably no, 146 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: that's not the thing you would want to bring in 147 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: lots of GPTs for, unless maybe an audience GPT might 148 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: be one you'd want to add into your conversation. But 149 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: deep analytical things problem solving. I'm kind of structuring this. 150 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 2: Those kind of problems brilliant to bring in different different GPTs. 151 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: Now, I assume that a lot of listeners will not 152 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: have access or will not have paid access to chat 153 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: GPT pro I think it costs what about twenty five 154 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: or thirty dollars AUD a month if they don't have 155 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: access to the paid version? Is there a workaround here? 156 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: How can they use this strategy? 157 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can still do it. What you doing is 158 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 2: instead of bringing the GPT to you, what you may 159 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: want to do is start different threads with different personas. 160 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: So when each of the chats, you know how you 161 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: can rename a chat. So I create a new chat 162 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: and say you are a problem solving person and give 163 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: all the dimensions you want, or you might say you're 164 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: an industry person, maybe you know a lot about mining 165 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: or whatever those things are you want for each of 166 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: those different experts. Rename the thread for the experts, so 167 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: call it the mining expert thread something like that, and 168 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: then you'll cut and paste your content into those expert 169 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: threads and then say, hey, what are your thoughts about 170 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: this particular thing, And the content might be the previous 171 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: chats you've had, or it might be this are the 172 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: structure of the things that I'm doing so effectively, you're 173 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: bringing your content to each of the experts in this case, 174 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: and you're still getting that great expertise. It's just an 175 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: extra step. 176 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: I love that workaround. I did not know about that 177 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: because I have access to the paid version of chat 178 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: GPT NEO. Thank you for coming back on and sharing 179 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: another very very helpful Jenai tip. If you're keen to 180 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: learn even more Genii tricks and hacks, check out Inventium's 181 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: Gnai Productivity System. It's a self paced course to transform 182 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: you from a Jenai dabbler to Jeni pro in just 183 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: a few hours. 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