1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and what 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: a busy week it's been, from changes in Parliament with 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: mandatory sentencing and well all sorts of things like the 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: anti discrimination legislation, well to the Territory Rights Bill and 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: some people maybe not supporting it that we may have 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: thought of. 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: There's a lot to discuss this morning. 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: And joining us in the studio is the Deputy Opposition 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: Leader Jared Maylee. 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: Good morning to. 11 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 3: You, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners. 12 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: And the Deputy Chief Minister Nicole Madison, good morning to you. 13 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: Good morning everyone. 14 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Great to have you both in the studio and just 15 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: the three of us this morning, but I anticipate there's 16 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: still going to be lots and lots of talking. 17 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 2: There has been so much happened this week. 18 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: It's been a massive week and I do want to 19 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: kick off with the Northern Territory Police of course surging 20 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: forty additional police officers into Alice Springs to support the 21 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: local police to address the crime and anti social behavior 22 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: in the town now. The move followed the latest incident 23 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: on Tuesday night, which saw two stolen motor vehicles driving 24 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: dangerously around the CBD. The Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker came 25 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: out to make the announcement and confirm one of the 26 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: stolen vehicles attempted to ram a police vehicle which was 27 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: forced to take evasive action to avoid collision. Now this 28 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: is the third incident of this type involving stolen vehicles 29 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: in Alice Springs in the past fortnite. 30 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: We also know there was another one in Catherine. 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: That terrible situation in Catherine of course where we I 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: mean that vision was just unbelievable seeing Yeah, horrendous stuff. 33 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: So forty officers surged into Alice. Man, why didn't this 34 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: happen sooner? 35 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: Well, firstly, I just want to say the behavior is 36 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 4: completely horrendous, terrible, disgraceful. Vehicles are weapons. When people go 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: and steal a vehicle and drive them like that or 38 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 4: target police, that is just the most disgraceful act we 39 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: have seen for some time in places like the Kimberley 40 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 4: and North Queensland. This very alarming trend of some motor 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 4: vehicle theft and people putting it on social media. 42 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 5: But the police have had a good look at it. 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 4: You've seen the Commissioner come out and do media this 44 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 4: week and they have operationally decided to send the extra 45 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 4: resources into Alice Springs or fully support that operational decision 46 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: to make sure that the community has more confidence, particularly 47 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 4: going into summer, which we know is the busier time 48 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 4: of the year down there. 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 5: But you know, how dare these people do this? 50 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 4: How dare they target our police, our community with these vehicles? 51 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 5: It is completely unacceptable. 52 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 6: I know they are good words to come out of 53 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 6: your mouth there, but you really didn't answer the question 54 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 6: why has it taken six years for this to happen? 55 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 6: You know, crime right across the chair if you're out 56 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 6: of control, and this is just another example of how 57 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 6: bad it's getting because these criminals seem to think there 58 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 6: are no consequences. They go out, they can steal a car. 59 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 6: They put themselves at danger, they put general public at danger, 60 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 6: they put the police at changer and police do a 61 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 6: great job. And it's taken six years for this to happen. 62 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 6: Crime figures have gone through the roof. There's all sorts 63 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 6: of crime right across the territory. And I know there's 64 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 6: going to be forty police I'm going into our springs, 65 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 6: But my question is where are they coming from? What's 66 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 6: going to be left within the vacuum where these police 67 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 6: come from and are what about we will already know 68 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 6: that there's lots of remote stations which are struggling for numbers. 69 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 6: Are any remote station going to have to be short 70 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 6: staffed closed down? 71 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 3: To find these forty police officers. 72 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 6: Just really concerning because it might be robbing Peter to 73 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 6: say Paul and fixing our springs if they if they 74 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 6: can do that, but what about the rest of the 75 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 6: territory and what about the citizens right across the territories. 76 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 6: I'm really concerned about it. 77 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 4: I think you've got to have faith in our management 78 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: of place. The police make operational decisions every day about 79 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: where their resources go. It is not unusual for operations 80 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 4: to be stood up when they need to go out there. 81 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: We've had police that have been stood up in Water 82 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: in significant numbers to deal with some of the community 83 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: unrest there. It is not unusual from time to time 84 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: to see operations that come into place and please make 85 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 4: the best decisions about where those resources go. 86 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 5: So again, this isn't. This isn't. 87 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: The Police Association has been out and they've said we 88 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: support the Commissioner's decision to send forty additional officers to 89 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: our springs to support our southern members to deal with 90 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: spiraling crime, including offenders deliberately targeting police. But this situation 91 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: is a direct result of poor policy from the files 92 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: Labor government. They're the words of the Northern Territory Police Association. 93 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 5: I think that's a bit harsh. 94 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 4: We have strengthened motive vehicle off for stealing, for stealing and. 95 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: The thing is at the moment is there is a 96 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: real sense within the community that there is lawlessness. I mean, 97 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: when you've got youth driving cars at police, I don't. 98 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: Know what other way you'd describe it. 99 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: Because it's absolutely shocking and it's almost getting to the 100 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: point where it's normalized for us in the Northern Territory, 101 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: where it's happened four times across two and a halfway. 102 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: We should never accept motor vehicle theft and that behavior 103 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 4: is being normal and this is why police are taking 104 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 4: some very swift action. That's why they're sending down a 105 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 4: very strong operation to deal with this because it is 106 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: completely unacceptable. You know, over time we've deployed more tools for. 107 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 5: Police like tire spikes, tied deflation devices and so forth. 108 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 5: We've got Strikeforce Viper. 109 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 4: Down in Elie Springs, who do a great job targeting 110 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: property offenses and motor vehicle thefts, so there are more 111 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 4: resources that go into it. 112 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 5: But you know, the message is. 113 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 4: Very clear that if you go and you steal a 114 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 4: motor vehicle and you do the wrong thing, police will 115 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 4: catch you and you will face consequences. 116 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: And that's where I think people are feeling quite let down, 117 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: is they do feel as though the police are doing 118 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: their jobs. They do feel as though the police are 119 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: catching people when they break the law, But then what's 120 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: happening after that point? 121 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: And that's where we're at, I. 122 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: Think as a community right now, where a lot of 123 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: people are feeling as though the repercussions or the you know, 124 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: the aftermath isn't making any impact to try to deter 125 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: people from engage in that kind of behavior. 126 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 5: There consequences there. 127 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 4: Kids can go to incarceration, where people can go to jail, 128 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 4: people can be directed to have to do behavior change programs, 129 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 4: those types of things, people have to do youth diversion 130 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: some of these kids. So there are consequences, Katie, But 131 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: I think getting down these extra resources into Alice Springs 132 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 4: to show these people that want to go and break 133 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 4: the law and do the wrong things and maclear message 134 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: that that behavior is not on. 135 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: Can I ask you where do you think things are 136 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: breaking down at the moment as a community? Like even 137 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: this morning there's been vision shared on the Mango Enquirer 138 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: of an elderly couple inside their home. Now we've got 139 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: a pressure release from the Northern Territory Police about this 140 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: yesterday where there's a couple inside their home at nine 141 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning in Marara. Somebody breaks into that 142 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: home with a knife and from the vision that I've seen, 143 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: the elderly man is sitting in that chair. He's not 144 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: able to get up. He's trying to defend himself while 145 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: he's sitting in that chair. And this person who's broken 146 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: in has absolutely no respect for him as a human, 147 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: no respect for his age, no respect whatsoever. 148 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: It's like, it's heartbreaking to it's the lowest of the law. 149 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: But where do. 150 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: You think we are breaking down as a community right now? 151 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: Where unfortunately stuff like that. I wish I was exaggerating, 152 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: but it's happening all the bloody time. 153 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: And I just say, like, those are the things you 154 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 4: see is a direct result of poverty of alcohol abuse 155 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 4: and that type of crime is completely unacceptable. 156 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: How we going to have an elderly direct result of 157 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: the Labour's failed. 158 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 6: You could labor labor of the government, the butt stop 159 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 6: through the government leaders. 160 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 5: It's the most speaking of the market opportunity to speak. 161 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 6: Let me finish, and ultimately the labor government have had 162 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 6: the leavers the last six years. The policy has failed. 163 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 6: The government seemed to set it and forget it. It'll 164 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 6: be right, and then just try and say, oh, it's 165 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 6: an operational problem. Well it's not, because it's affecting territorians 166 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 6: and I've seen that footage that you spoke about, and 167 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 6: it's just I'm unbelievable that someone at nine thirty in 168 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 6: the morning will attack someone with a knife in their 169 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 6: own home. And it's just the buckstop of the government. 170 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 6: Something has to happen. Someone's going to get killed or 171 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 6: someone's going to get hurt, and people are scared, and 172 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 6: I'm about it to affects everything because then tourists aren't going 173 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 6: to come here, business aren't going to come here, people 174 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 6: are going to leave. We know, economies in the world 175 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 6: to hurt because this government's overspent and Mack credit card. 176 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: I think, like I get we all understand that we 177 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: have got poverty in the Northern Territory. We all understand 178 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: that we've got some pretty serious issues, long term issues, 179 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: but right now, like what what are we doing to 180 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: ensure that territorians are safe? Because the government has got 181 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: a duty of care and you've now got the Northern 182 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Territory Police saying that you know, even the fact that 183 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: there's forty additional police that have to go to our springs, 184 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: that it is a situation that it's a direct result 185 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: of poor polar see from the files labor government. That's 186 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: not me saying that, that's our Police association. 187 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: And what I will say is that we have got 188 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 4: more police than we have ever had. 189 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 5: We have been resourcing the police. 190 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: The annual report. 191 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: Annual thirty five, it says in this in this release 192 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: that the Police Association sent out that we've got thirty 193 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: five less officers compared with the previous financial gain. 194 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 4: The advice I've had from police is that when you 195 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 4: look at the recruit scores and the continual recruitment that 196 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 4: we've got, and you've got to remember that we're sitting 197 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 4: in November now that we have police. 198 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: There, but we've got from the police. 199 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: So this was something that was such a point of 200 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: contention when the Giles government was in power. 201 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: And I know that labor to talk about's number well 202 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 4: was around. 203 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: Please talk about police numbers, right, the Police Association. 204 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: That's what we were one hundred million dollars more into. 205 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: The policy recruitment commitments we've. 206 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: But the issue here is, I mean I'm looking at 207 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: numbers in black and white that are from the annual report. 208 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: So it shows that we've got thirty five less officers 209 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: compared to the previous financial year. 210 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: And they have been recruiting, and the advice I've had 211 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 4: is above attrition, and we have got plenty of people 212 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: going through the recruit squads as well at the moment. 213 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 4: So I can only go off the latest advice I've 214 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 4: got sitting here going into almost December, Katie, versus what 215 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 4: you had back there in June. 216 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: So mat are you saying annual reports wrong? 217 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 4: No, I'm saying those numbers would be correct from the 218 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 4: annual report. But I'm saying we've almost had six months 219 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: go by and most people come into the. 220 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: Job, So what are the numbers. Who's a thirty five less. 221 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: You accept in terms of though the experience as well? 222 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: Are you worried about the experience that's being. 223 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 5: Lost they have got. 224 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: There are many good experienced officers in the police force, 225 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 4: and there is a turn through police forces. We've seen 226 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 4: that around the nation. It's not just the Northern Territory 227 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 4: police as well. And policing is a really difficult, tough career. 228 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 4: You know, my hat goes off to them every day 229 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: they show up to work because they don't know what 230 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: they're going to deal with every day. 231 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 3: They go to We both know that we both come 232 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 3: from police them and so there is going. 233 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 5: To be a churn. 234 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 4: But we have seen a trend around nationwide where we 235 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 4: have seen more more turnover emplaies. 236 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: I do want to touch on that because I know 237 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: that you do both come from police families and I 238 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: know that you both have you know, you do care 239 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: a lot about the morale within the Northern Territory Police force. 240 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: I think that that's something that we can all agree 241 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: on in this studio. But you know, do you both 242 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: accept that morale at the moment for the police is 243 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: it is tracking lot, it is low and I know 244 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: that it's. 245 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: Tough going again again. 246 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 6: You can look at the police survey and I don't 247 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 6: have the figures all the top of here, but morale 248 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 6: was as lowest has ever been. I think that survey says, 249 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 6: see that this is a survey from police association represents 250 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 6: nine to nine percent of police officers, so you'd have 251 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 6: to say that their results are correct. And ultimately you 252 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 6: can't really dispute that they're the association represents police. Have 253 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 6: gone to their members and they've released these figures. So 254 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 6: it just goes to show that morale is, like I 255 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 6: think the resources will low, something it needs to be done. 256 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 6: The annual report says there's thirty five left police officers. Ultimately, 257 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 6: the buck stops are labor government. 258 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 4: I'm probably not going to be as political as Jared here, 259 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 4: but to say that there has been a really challenging. 260 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 5: Time over the last few years. 261 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 4: And I've said it before on this show, but don't 262 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 4: underestimate the impact of the EU and DEMU event and 263 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 4: what that's done. I can't comment on a coronial, but 264 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 4: I think there's been some very public reporting of the people, 265 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 4: the witnesses that have been going up to give evidence, 266 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 4: and it goes to show that it was a very 267 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 4: complex event. There will be a very long, thorough coronial, 268 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 4: and I don't think I just think, Katie, it's all 269 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 4: there to see right now, just the impact that that 270 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 4: one really tragic day has had on many people across 271 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 4: the police force, many people in ewen Demou and across 272 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 4: the Northern territory. And we've still got a lot of 273 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: work to do there to work through that. But I 274 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 4: just think anybody's following media coverage now and what's going 275 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 4: on in the coronial process will meet their own judgments. 276 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to take a really short break. 277 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. 278 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: It is the week that was in the studio with 279 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: me this morning. We have got the Deputy Chief Minister 280 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: Nicole Madison and the Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Maylee. I 281 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: did just get a message from our mate Jerry Wood 282 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: and he said you need an independent with a bell. 283 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: Guess who's got one? 284 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: Jerry? 285 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 6: We love. 286 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Oh Jerry, We do miss your mate. And well let's 287 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: move along to a federal issue. But it is one 288 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: which is going to impact absolutely every territory and that 289 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: is the territory right spill. We know that there has 290 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: been some movement on this throughout the week and unfortunately 291 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: the Senator for the Northern Territory. Just Center Price voting 292 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: against this change, which I know has. 293 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: Riled up a lot of people. 294 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: The former Senator for the Northern Territory, Sam McMahon. She 295 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: says the opposition to the territory making its own laws 296 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: by the COLP Senator Just Enterprise is an outrageous act 297 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: of treachery. 298 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: She's called it. She well. 299 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: She says that Miss Price on Thursday voted against the 300 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: territory the right to make its own own laws around 301 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: voluntary assisted dying. And she said this is nothing more 302 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: than an act of outright treachery from a self centered 303 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: person who does not have and never will have the 304 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: interests of territorians at heart. Now, I am going to 305 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: be speaking to Just Enterprise after ten o'clock this morning, 306 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: so i'll get her take on things. 307 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 5: Well, Katie, can you do me a favor? Can you 308 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 5: ask JR. 309 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: Center why have you failed to do the primary thing 310 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: you're responsible for in your job as the Senator of 311 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: the Northern Territory, which is to stand up for territorians 312 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 4: to represent them. And fundamentally, this bill it's not about 313 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 4: wantrey assisted dying. It's about making sure that Territorians have 314 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 4: equal rights to the rest of Australia to have their 315 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 4: say on what happens. To know that their government can 316 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 4: go out and listen and legislate, make laws, put them 317 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 4: in place, and if the people don't like it, guess what. 318 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 5: They can kick them out or they can keep supporting them. 319 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 4: As opposed to somebody in Canberra from a southern jurisdiction 320 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 4: who does not represent us, coming in over the top 321 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: and telling. 322 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 5: Us what to do. This is about making sure we've 323 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 5: got equal footing. 324 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 4: And for the life of me, I cannot understand while 325 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: Justiner Price will take the paycheck and the glory of 326 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: being the Senator of the Northern Territory and say that 327 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: she does not stand for Territorians being equal with the 328 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: rest of Australia. It is a bloody disgrace. She should 329 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 4: hang her head in shame. She should not be in 330 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 4: the Senate for us if she does not think that 331 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 4: Territorians deserve to be equally and fairly represented. 332 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: Jared, does her view represent the view of the CLP? 333 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: Do you guys support the territory having its own rights here? 334 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 6: Look, we absolutely support the charity having its own rights 335 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 6: and that was a conscious vote and you seem to 336 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 6: convote whatever she likes and that's democracy and how it works. 337 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 6: But I can say clearly that in Northern Teritory, the 338 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 6: Sealpeace position is that we support that bill. We support 339 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 6: the to be equal right across Australia. We're no different 340 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 6: to southern states. We need to be able to make 341 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 6: laws just like man I said, and I agree with 342 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 6: you matter about that that we are up here, we 343 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 6: can make laws to the territory and if the territorians 344 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 6: don't like it, they can vote out the government made 345 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 6: it all they can support them. But the Sealpace position 346 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 6: is that we support the rights because this is not 347 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 6: about euthanasia. This is about the rights of territory and 348 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 6: is having the same rights as everyone across Australia. 349 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: And ultimately, you know, we know that there's just seemed 350 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: to have done that. 351 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 6: But like Luke Gosling was out at the protest for 352 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 6: the anti discrimination we know that the Labor Ministers of 353 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 6: a brawling in the back streets of Parliament. So this 354 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 6: is democracy at work, you know, This is we're allowed 355 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 6: to do that. She has her view as a conscious 356 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 6: vote and as a matter for her, but the CLP 357 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 6: view is that we support that bill. 358 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 4: I would be fascinated to see, you know, the CLP, 359 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 4: the Territory Party. I would be absolutely fascinated to see 360 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 4: what some of the people your party members are thinking 361 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 4: about this and their choice of pre. 362 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 5: Selection right now. 363 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 4: If that is what Just Enterprise is doing on the 364 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 4: CLP ticket in the Parliament, Like it is absolutely shocking 365 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 4: that a Territory Senator would go out and vote against 366 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 4: territory rights. 367 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 5: I'm still just completely dumbfounded by this. 368 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: I know you said it's. 369 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: A conscience foight, and I get that, But shouldn't the 370 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: views of the people that you represent come into play 371 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: here as well? Like, shouldn't it be a matter of 372 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, I know that that even you know, when 373 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: I've spoken to Luke Gosling and even melandeerr McCarthy about this, 374 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: both of them have you know, have their reservations, I 375 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: guess for want of a better word, and their own 376 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: maybe personal views about this legislation and concerns about this legislation. 377 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: But shouldn't it come town to the rights of Territorians 378 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: and what Territorians want and what those in the electric 379 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: that you represent want. 380 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 6: I think you're right, and I haven't seen her exact 381 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 6: words of her speech because we're in Parliament yesterday of 382 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 6: having our opportunity. But I think she was talking about, 383 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 6: you know, protecting the rights to the most vulnerable and 384 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 6: that's her choice and she can do that, and she 385 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 6: speaks to a lot of people and we know that 386 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 6: that she goes out bush a lot. But ultimately all 387 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 6: Territorians deserve the same right. This is democracy and we 388 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 6: support that all Territorians we're living, no matter where you 389 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 6: live in Alice Springs, townt Creek, Catherine dal and have 390 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 6: the rights like anyone else in Australia. For the government 391 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 6: off the day, the government law of the territory government 392 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 6: at this state, that's the Labor government. Maybe in twenty 393 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 6: four it's going to be a COELP government to listen 394 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 6: to the community, go and make laws that represent the community. 395 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 6: And then if the if those laws are wrong, which 396 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 6: maybe the Manito centencing laws are going to be wrong, 397 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 6: the Labor government will be voted out to the SELP 398 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 6: or they'll support them laws in a laborable state. But 399 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 6: it's up to Territorians to make that decision because this 400 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 6: is democracy and that's how it should work. 401 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 4: But can I say we're already on the back foot 402 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 4: in this country when it comes to the Northern Territory, 403 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 4: when it comes to our Senate and representation, I am 404 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 4: just always blown away by the fact that we get 405 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 4: two senators and those people down in Tasmania. 406 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: How many senators are They got bigger representation and the 407 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: ACA they've got literally double the population. 408 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 4: Of us, and they have such a huge voice in 409 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 4: the Australian Parliament and the Senate versus what the territory does. 410 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 4: We are on the back foot already, and just anything 411 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: that we can do to give us more of an equal, 412 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 4: fair voice in this country we need to be pursuing 413 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 4: in the Northern Territory. And you know again I just 414 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 4: go you wonder why the Parliament could be so interesting 415 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 4: in Canberra when little old Tasmania gets how many bloody senators? 416 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: Jared, are you disappointed that the senator voted that way? 417 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: Well, it was a conscious vote. That's a view. 418 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 6: We're going to speak to it, and I know you're 419 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 6: going to speak to her. Any asked that question, so 420 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 6: it'll be interesting what yes to say. I haven't had 421 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 6: an opportunity to speak to her personally about I know 422 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 6: Lea our leader has but ultimately this is about territory rights. 423 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 6: A CELP up here in Darlain support that. The wing 424 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 6: led by Leaf and Loco support that, and we're about 425 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 6: therapy rites. 426 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: All right, Well take a really quick break when we 427 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: come back. I am keen to cover off all of 428 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: the different issues and all of the different legislation that 429 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: has passed through Parliament this week in the studio with 430 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: me the Deputy Chief Minister of Cole Madison and the 431 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley. It is, of course the 432 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: week that was, and it's always an interesting week that 433 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: was when Parliament has sat and i'll tell you what, 434 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: you mob were pretty round he throughout the week on 435 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: lots of different issues. 436 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 4: It's it's been a long big sittings and we've got 437 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: another long big sittings next week to cada. 438 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: You certainly do. 439 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: And well one of the issues that really got people 440 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: fired up early in the week was the changes to 441 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: the anti discrimination legislation. And we know that there was 442 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: quite a bit of division over these new laws. They 443 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: did pass through by the Territory government on Tuesday night. 444 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: It followed quite a lengthy debate and subsequent passing of 445 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: that bill. There were indeed lobby groups, experts and individuals 446 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: who were quite outspoken on this topic, and we spoken 447 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: to the bishop on two occasions about the concerns that 448 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church Diocese of the Northern Territory had. We'd 449 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: also spoken to the Christian schools about their concerns. 450 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: And look, I know that by and large the. 451 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: Majority of that bill people were really quite happy with 452 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: and thought this is a really good document, really needed changes, 453 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: but there were a few things that people were very 454 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: concerned about. One of those was, indeed the removal of 455 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: section thirty seven A. 456 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 6: So that there were three things in that bill. So 457 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 6: I agree in the cop view is that we support 458 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 6: a majority of that view. But the three things we 459 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 6: didn't was the representative complaint, where someone can make a 460 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 6: complaint on behalf of a person without their consent, without 461 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 6: their knowledge. Also the insertion of the offense clauses, which 462 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 6: we say is really broad, and also the removal of 463 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 6: section thirty seven A. And ultimately we think that that 464 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 6: is really beyond the reach of the government. The government 465 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 6: hadn't listened to these groups whole swag of people out there, 466 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 6: the independent schools and Christian and faith based organizations who 467 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 6: want to run their schools in their particular way, and 468 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 6: removing Section thirty seven A allows them now to open 469 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 6: this SEF up to discrimination. So, and what we're worried 470 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 6: about is there's to be groups down south or individuals 471 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 6: watching this ready to go and they will try and 472 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 6: upset the apple cart and come in and bring these 473 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 6: organizations to the Commission and often to the court, and 474 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 6: ultimately maybe they need to get struck out. We don't know, 475 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 6: but the punishment will be in the process these schools 476 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 6: in organizations and faith based instead of we know that 477 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 6: they're small and they're some of them are very limited funds. 478 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 6: They now going to have to engage solicitors, They're going 479 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 6: to have to go through the legal process, and there's 480 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 6: going to be a lot of stress. And like I've 481 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 6: been a lawyer for a while and I know that 482 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 6: the stress of going to a court, even though you say, look, 483 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 6: you think you're going to win this, but going through 484 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 6: that process is a tough process, is an expensive process 485 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 6: and will take time, and it just seems to be 486 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 6: to be a waste win. Ultimately, it's really simple to 487 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 6: fix the leave it in there, and like there's a 488 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 6: one word sexuality they could take out, and I think 489 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 6: most of those organizations said we can live with that. 490 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 6: And that's where that was in the exposure draft, is 491 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 6: that one word was missing, and then when the actual 492 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 6: bill came out, the whole clause was missing. 493 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: So it really caught a. 494 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 6: Lot of people off by surprise in relation to that. 495 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 6: So it was an easy fix. And yet this government 496 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 6: seems to not listen to all these territories. And you know, 497 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 6: I went to the protests they had or not the process, 498 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 6: the march of these groups, and I spoke to the 499 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 6: people there and I said, look, we don't normally come 500 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 6: to these ornation We're like a piece. We're happy, we're friendly, 501 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 6: but we're really concerned and this is going to affect 502 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 6: our right to run religion and how it's going to 503 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 6: affect our whole school, because ultimately the whole school is 504 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 6: about faith. It's not just a teacher, it's a janitor, 505 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 6: the cleaner and all those people. And I know that 506 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 6: the government youths in the section thirty five is you know, 507 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 6: they can have a genuine education. And this is where 508 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 6: the change Generald got confused. He talked about requirement. It's 509 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 6: there's qualification. So there's a big difference between those two words. 510 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: And I know that there is obviously a review that's 511 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: taking place at the moment. The Australian Law Reform Commission 512 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: is undertaking a review on a federal and I think 513 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: that was the question that a lot of people were wondering, 514 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: is why not wait until that is complete before you 515 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: make the changes in the territory. 516 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 4: Man I, because they've been working on this for a 517 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 4: long time, and the first thing I just want to 518 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 4: say is that this is about creating a fairer place 519 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 4: for everyone in the Northern Territory and our anti discrimination 520 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: unless religious, can I please answer thingding, This is about 521 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 4: making it a fairer place for everyone. 522 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 5: We've been working on this for some time. 523 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 4: There had been multiple consultations going and the thing I 524 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 4: want to assure people about is that this does not 525 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 4: stop religious freedom or people practicing their religion, or people 526 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 4: being able to choose to send their child to a 527 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 4: religious school and they should be expecting that they're going 528 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 4: to get a good religious education as part of that. 529 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 5: This does not stop that whatsoever. 530 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 4: There has been a hell of a lot of scare 531 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 4: mungering out there, and the thing I want to ensure 532 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 4: people is that there is still free speech, is religious freedom. 533 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 4: You can get assurances that your child, if you choose 534 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 4: to send them to a religious school, is going to 535 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 4: get a great education with a wholesome religious, faith based 536 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 4: education there to it as well. 537 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 5: So I just think, you know, it's been. 538 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 4: Completely blown out of proportion, and what this is about 539 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 4: is making it a fair I think it was a 540 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 4: bit of a goal though, because if it's been blown 541 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 4: out of proportion, why didn't the Attorney General re meet 542 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 4: with the bishop before he came on radio or before 543 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 4: he raised an additional consign. 544 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 3: Protests about rule. It's a big thing and a lot 545 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 3: of meeting concerned about it. 546 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 5: There were several meetings, absolutely, several. 547 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: Meeting exclusion of thirty seven after. 548 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: This a different. 549 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: There were. 550 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 3: We took public pressure to get those meetings. 551 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 4: There were no it didn't We've got a really good 552 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 4: Attorney General of wonderful Chief Minister. They deeply respect those 553 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: views and they did have a lot of meetings. 554 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 5: Katie, Let's be really frank here. 555 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 4: Any discrimination acts are never without controversy, aren't without people, 556 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 4: you know, being concerned about what they might lose as 557 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: part of it. But I want to assure people again, 558 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 4: this was about making sure that all those voices were 559 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 4: heard and that we have a fairer territory for everyone. 560 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 5: But this does not attack religious freedoms or free speech. 561 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: Well, man, I will call you if I end up 562 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: getting hauled to the antidiscrimination Commissioners if I say something. 563 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: To remember, not just you. 564 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 6: If you have someone ringing or someone does a like 565 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 6: now vice is something that offends me somewhere. 566 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 5: Could go to the mangering raft. 567 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: I gage that's the truth. 568 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 6: There's a case about it where mister Bolt got in 569 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 6: in the new kaper because I paid his article. 570 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: Well, look, it's not the only piece of legislation that 571 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: was debated throughout the week and and changes made. We 572 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: also know I'm just trying to find it. But we 573 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: also know that there's changes when it comes to mandatory sentencing. 574 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: So a major shakeup of mandatory sentencing law could see 575 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: Territorians rehabilitated rather than incarcerated for some crimes. Now, I 576 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: think there's a bit of confusion at the moment in 577 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: terms of what crimes it's going to be, but some 578 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: reports that it will remove mandatory sentencing for assault drug offenses, 579 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: breaches of domestic violence orders and introduce enforced behavior change 580 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: programs and community work. I know there's going to be 581 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: people that are pretty worried about this, given what's going 582 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: on around the place right now. 583 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 4: Okay, So what this is about is having a smarter 584 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 4: justice system, about being able to give our judges more 585 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 4: tools when it comes to sentencing and dealing with particularly 586 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: domestic violence offenders. Because if you can tell me what 587 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 4: we're doing in the space of domestic violence in the 588 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: Northern Territory is getting the results we all want to see, 589 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 4: i'd say you're mad. 590 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 5: And what we've got at the moment. 591 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 4: Is that we've got a justice system that has very 592 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 4: limited options for those of what they can sentence people to. 593 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 4: So this is about making sure that for some DV 594 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 4: offenders they're going to go to jail, some DFE offenders 595 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 4: they're going to have some orders that include behavior change programs, 596 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 4: with some going to work, and of course there's electronic monitoring. 597 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 4: There will be divestic violence orders to keep them away 598 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 4: from people, those types of things. But this is putting 599 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 4: more tools in the toolbox to be able to rehabilitate 600 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 4: these offenders. Katie, because at the moment we get frustrated, 601 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 4: we go right, that's it. We want to see these 602 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 4: people in jail, and they are mandatory sentencing around that, 603 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 4: and the problem is is that that is not getting 604 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 4: the behavior change. 605 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 5: We want to see. 606 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: What I want to say is I want to see 607 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: people safe. I want to see the community safe. So 608 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: for me, if it means that the victim is then 609 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: going to be safe and going to be okay, I go, well. 610 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: Fair enough. 611 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is in terms of 612 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: whether people should go to jail or whether they should 613 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: be doing programs, but what I do know is at 614 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: the moment, the community doesn't feel safe, and so I'm 615 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: wondering whether the steps that the government are taking are 616 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: actually going to get us to where the community wants 617 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: to be. 618 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 5: This is about building us safer community. 619 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 4: This is about making sure that when we deal with 620 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 4: these offenders that have done the wrong thing, that they 621 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 4: will feel and face the consequences. But we've actually got 622 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 4: more tools to stop them reoffending here. 623 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 5: That's what this is about. 624 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 6: But it's about also the message that the labor government 625 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 6: is sending. We know that our crime rates are going 626 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 6: through the roof, and you know, I've cited lots of 627 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 6: crime throughout and there's examples every day in the paper 628 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 6: and the media. But what messages is sending these criminals 629 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 6: who go, well, I know that I do an offense, 630 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 6: and now the government are changing the laws, making the 631 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 6: managery set thing going away. So the message is going 632 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 6: to be that's less consequences for them. And I don't 633 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 6: know how it's going to work inside the people out there, 634 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 6: the victims of crime here feel neglected because the labor 635 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 6: government is sending a message that crime you can do 636 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 6: in the constant a day and absolutely mandatory sentencing is 637 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 6: a message to people. If you do the wrong thing, 638 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 6: you're going to take a consequence. People, And these courses 639 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 6: that you're talking about is about they're not in place 640 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 6: working and yet you're going to change the legislation. What 641 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 6: about your thinking when we leave that the management sentencing, 642 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 6: get these programs up and running, evalue to make sure 643 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 6: they're working, and then think about changing law to let 644 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 6: make sure that people know that there's a consequence. Right now, 645 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 6: the message is do what you want, criminals, no problems. 646 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 5: No garbage, rubbish, total garbage. 647 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 7: That's just again, that's just fear, money, it's true message 648 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 7: that people are still sending out because you're changing the law, 649 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 7: having a better system, a smarter system that actually works 650 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 7: around how do you how do you rehabilitate these offenders, 651 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 7: how do you stop them from becoming prolific domestic violence perpetrators, 652 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 7: How to actually target that behavior, how do you make 653 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 7: people more accountable? 654 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 5: How to protect those. 655 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: In place? 656 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 4: Now you have got domestic violence programs in place, but 657 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 4: what we're doing is we're going to be putting more 658 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 4: in place, Katie. 659 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 5: So it's about how being. 660 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 4: More of those tools there to really target rehabilitation and reoffending. 661 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: And one point I do want to touch on is 662 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: the jail is overflowing, Like I'd heard a report I 663 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: believe it was on the ABC this morning where there's 664 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: way more prisoners than what there are beds at the moment. 665 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: We also know that our correctional services officers are out 666 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: there saying we like I know that it's it's been 667 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: part of the pay negotiations where it's sort of been 668 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: dragged into their being more pay. But from the correctional 669 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,719 Speaker 1: services offices that I've spoken to, it's actually more about 670 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: making sure that they've got correct working conditions and I 671 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: am quite sure at the moment that that area of 672 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: the jail that got burnt well, however long ago it was. 673 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: Is it operational yet, man. 674 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 5: I is it still out of action? I don't know, Katie. 675 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 5: I'd have to get back to you on that. 676 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been told that it's still out of action. 677 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, a few years ago now thirty million dollar fame. 678 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we will double check, in double check. 679 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 4: That don't have the answer for you, mate, But what 680 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 4: I'll say is that our corrections officers do a great job. 681 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 5: They do work hard. They are very hard. 682 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 4: Working people that deal with some pretty complex individuals that 683 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 4: are incarcerated. So I thank them for the work that 684 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 4: they do. We have got pay negotiations underway. But part 685 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 4: of that as well is that we have been doing 686 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 4: some pretty substantial work about looking at how our prisons 687 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 4: operate and how we can better support those corrections officers. 688 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 5: On the front line too. 689 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 4: We have pretty you know, corrections officers of people that 690 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 4: we do have some pretty frank discussions with, and particularly 691 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 4: through their union, United Workers Union. They are very well 692 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 4: organized and we'll keep doing that because we are a 693 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 4: labor government and we do talk to the workers and 694 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 4: we do talk to the unions. 695 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: Well, just on that issue of pace and just speaking 696 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: about the budget. 697 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: I guess as well. 698 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: Over the last couple of weeks we'd had a number 699 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: of listeners get in contact with us wanting to get 700 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: some further info about those electronic signs that were popping 701 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: up around the Northern Territory. I'm sure you've probably seen 702 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: them around the place, and we had confirmation through the 703 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: w from the Department of Infrastructure, Planning and Logistics. A 704 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: spokesperson told us that those variable message signs being installed 705 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: across thirty locations around the Northern Territory to enable the 706 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: efficient management of traffic flows in the event of road crashes, 707 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: congestion and special events. Now we'd asked how much they cost, 708 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: so thirty locations. The projects co funded by the Australian 709 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: and Northern Territory governments. Either way, however, you look at it, 710 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty five grand per site, So that's 711 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: more than eleven million, five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 712 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you think to yourself, I know you've said 713 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: there it's a different bucket of money federal government, but eleven. 714 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 2: And a half million dollars how far can I go? 715 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 3: Can I start on this? What a waste of money? 716 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 3: Simple as that. You know, we are in a world 717 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 3: of hurt. 718 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 6: We've got protesting out their protesters about the pay and 719 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 6: yet we're going to spend eleven million dollars on these 720 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 6: signs that that's not putting in installing it. 721 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 3: What about the maintenance and upkeep. 722 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 5: I've seen it's got solar but I want to. 723 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: Destruct by lightning. 724 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 8: Okay, now we're getting on these signs keeping up and 725 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 8: running and what to say? You know I live and 726 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 8: how it springs. It takes me twenty five minutes to 727 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 8: get to town. And you know, if you lived in 728 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 8: the southern state, that would be like a quick trip. 729 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 8: And you're going to I'm going to read these signs 730 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 8: saying I'm five minutes delay. 731 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 3: What a waste of time. You can just look at it, 732 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 3: look down the road. 733 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: The money to. 734 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 6: Spend the money on the party, spend the money out 735 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 6: there in territories, on the health system, on our police, 736 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 6: on our education system. That's where the money needs. We've 737 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 6: got all these concerns about the health system out of control. 738 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 6: We've had nine code yellows, and yet we're going to 739 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 6: spend eleven million dollars on signs wide a waste of money. 740 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 5: So clearly this is a federally funded program. 741 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 4: There is a contribution of about twenty percent of that 742 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 4: by the Northern Territory government. And you know this, this 743 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 4: would be about trying to get a contemporary traffic network 744 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 4: there to get information out to people. 745 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: If you could spend that eleven million on anything, Mano 746 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: for the Northern Territory, what would you spend it on? 747 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: There are always be that I'd love to see, Katie, 748 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 4: but in this it's about making sure we have a 749 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 4: modern roads network. 750 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,479 Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take a really short break. 751 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three 752 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: six eiti is the week. 753 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: That was and if you've just joined us, a smaller. 754 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: Crowd than usual, just the three of us, Nicole Madison 755 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: and Jered Malian here, but has not stopped us from 756 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: speaking about lots of a lot of different issues issues 757 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: assume we are and I tell you what. There was 758 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: the Eykak Inspector's Report, which did get tabled in Parliament 759 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: this week as well, and secret recordings of private conversations 760 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: by anti corruption investigators were entirely inappropriate and a breach 761 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: of trust is what the Inspector of the Northern Territory's 762 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: Integrity Body has said, but has been unable to determine 763 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: whether the law was broken or not. 764 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 2: So we know that earlier. 765 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: This year it was revealed that staff within the office 766 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: of the IKAK had conducted bugging operations well on seven 767 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: people who had no idea that they were being monitored. 768 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 2: Now we now know a couple of them. 769 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: One of them was indeed Gary Higgins, the COLP former 770 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: CLP opposition leader, who wasn't under investigation. We also know 771 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: that a well known business woman was one of the 772 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: others who had been invited by the IKAK to an 773 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: informal chat at a cafe and was remotely monitored without 774 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: her knowledge. Now, I've got to say, I think that 775 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: most people would be utterly surprised to hear that there's 776 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: been secret bugging going on by the IKAK, the very 777 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: body designed to well to stamp out YEP correctness behave. 778 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 4: So I just think what we need to just remember 779 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 4: here is that this was under the previous SPYKAK commissioners leadership, 780 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 4: and I understand the staff involved. 781 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 5: And these have now no longer with the i CAAC. 782 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, the ikak's about everybody else sticking to the 783 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 4: rules and making sure that they do the right thing. 784 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 5: So it doesn't help that this has come out. 785 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 4: But what I will say is that our new IKAK commissioner, 786 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 4: under his leadership, it's been very clear that he is 787 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 4: setting a very different path. 788 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 2: So look, I certainly agree with that. 789 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: I know that I've had to I made a complaint 790 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: to the IKAK about my name being included in a 791 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: report which was you know, which was published a while 792 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: back now to you know, to which I had no 793 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to respond or anything like that or to be 794 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: able to point out that it was wrong, and I 795 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: had nothing. I can have nothing but good things to 796 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: say about the current KA commissioner and the response. 797 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 5: But I will say I was that's it's very surprised. 798 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is the thing you remember, this high 799 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 6: CAAK is our taste essentially, will agree with that, and 800 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 6: it was certainly the old commissioner and a new commissioner 801 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 6: is doing seems to be a good job. But idly 802 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 6: remember the Labor government put a view and a Greg Jhenahan, 803 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 6: I think he did his report over a year ago 804 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 6: and yet we haven't heard what the recommendations were. There's 805 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 6: been no review, there's been no action on those recommendations. 806 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 6: So I think it's really time here that this labor 807 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 6: government come clean and say, Okay, what are we doing 808 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 6: about it? We know that there's been a review, what 809 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 6: were the recommendations? Are they going to implement those recommendations? 810 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 6: Are we going to make sure that the IKA can't 811 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 6: be disgraced again? Because I can see you can start 812 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 6: I think, you know, disgraces a word in relation to 813 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 6: what they've done. Can remember there's still five people out 814 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 6: there who we don't know who have been recorded. We 815 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 6: don't know the circumstances around that. So nimately, if there 816 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 6: was a crime and the inspector says he can't because 817 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 6: and look at it because he doesn't have the power, 818 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 6: So is this government going to actually look at that 819 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 6: and see that it has been a crime being submitted? 820 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 6: So what I was I think the i QA Commission 821 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,959 Speaker 6: says on a prime of facy case there is which 822 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 6: in a quarter of law that would be enough to 823 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 6: start proceeding. 824 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 4: So what I will say is that we were the 825 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 4: government actually bought an IQQ into place. It is something 826 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 4: that we did bring into place. It is the first 827 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 4: time that an i CAAC has happened. And yes, we 828 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 4: have seen a pretty tumultuous first few years there and 829 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 4: there has been work done and a review and that 830 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 4: is something that we are still considering and of course 831 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 4: working with the KA. 832 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: Obviously the Labor government brought that ICQ into place. But 833 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: does the government now have serious questions to answer about 834 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: the appointment of the former commissioner. 835 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 4: All I will say is that it was a very rigorous, 836 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 4: rigorous process, extremely rigorous process. So again another rigorous process 837 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 4: to appoint the new KA commissioner. It was a very 838 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 4: interesting period of time that we have just seen. And 839 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 4: certainly I think we've got a very highly experienced performer 840 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 4: in mister Richards. He has been previously with the South 841 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 4: Australian ik for a very long period of time. So 842 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 4: I think we've got a very the IKAK that people 843 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 4: expect in place. 844 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 6: Now, can you give us an update, what's going to 845 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 6: happen with the review? How long that's been a year, 846 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,720 Speaker 6: what's going on? Are they going to what's happening. 847 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 5: It's still under consideration. 848 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 4: But I think we all appreciate that this was the 849 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 4: first time we had an ikak icak that a labor 850 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 4: government set up because the COLP government wouldn't and that 851 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 4: it does need some amendments because it was new, and 852 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 4: that's something that we're looking at. 853 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: All right, we are going to have to wrap up 854 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: for the morning. It's been an incredibly busy morning. I 855 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: appreciate both of your time this morning. Jered Mayley, the 856 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition Leader, thanks so much for joining us today. 857 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, thank you listeners. 858 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: And Nicole Madison, the Deputy Chief Minister, thanks so much 859 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: for your time today. 860 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 5: Thank you Katie. 861 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 4: And can I just do just a bit of a 862 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 4: shout out On the weekend, the Buddhist Center and lean 863 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 4: You are having their International Food Fair between four to 864 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 4: seven pm on Parkside Crescent and Leanna. This is where 865 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 4: all the members of their community come together. 866 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 5: They cook some beautiful food. So all the. 867 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 4: Money you spend there you'll not only get a beautiful 868 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 4: home cooked meal, you're also supporting the running of the 869 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 4: Buddhist Center and Leanya. 870 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff. 871 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 1: Well, thank you both so much for your time this morning, 872 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: and no doubt we'll catch up with you again. 873 00:40:59,640 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 2: Very so