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Speaker 1: big Man himself, Dave Tolder, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm great to be with you can and we've also

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Speaker 2: got Maddie he.

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Speaker 3: Will so you've got your news news sound. We're also

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Speaker 3: pumping my mate, Simon Watts.

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Speaker 2: Do you know Simon?

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Speaker 3: I know Simon. I used to play basketball with Simon

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Speaker 3: top good territory boy, that's good. Yeah, you know. From

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Speaker 3: what I can gather, he's doing a great job in

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Speaker 3: business too.

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Speaker 4: Haven't you played basketball again?

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Speaker 3: Everyone in Darwatt Well, no, no, no, there's a few

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Speaker 3: that I've played basketball with. Never again, but.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. I love it. That's the great thing about

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Speaker 3: Wonderful thing about the territory. If you get into sport,

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Speaker 3: you end up sort of mixing with everyone eventually because

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's I want to talk about Gladys spiro jik

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Speaker 3: I think she's been caught with her pinstem.

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness mate.

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Speaker 1: Now now, in her first interview since revelations of her

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Speaker 2: Two shoes and that she didn't have a private life.

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Speaker 1: I think the only way that this if it crosses

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Speaker 2: It's if she knew anything, you know, that was corrupt.

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Speaker 3: And think it's sort of stunning that she's she's still there. Honestly. Look,

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Speaker 3: And I think if unless it was for the Ikak investigation,

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Speaker 1: But pron't we all had a dickhead girlfriend or boyfriend

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Speaker 5: The nature of the relationship that's never really for yourself.

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Speaker 5: The nature of the relationship has never really been defined.

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Speaker 5: So I think people have been left puzzled by what.

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Speaker 1: I think the point that you're making is a fair one.

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Speaker 4: Pressure on Gladys though at the moment as the premier

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Speaker 3: But I you know, my thought would have been that

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Speaker 1: But she stood firm, hasn't she to stand out at all?

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Speaker 3: You know? And it's not going to go away while

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Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what, there's lots to discuss this morning.

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they do it now? You know, drag out your.

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Speaker 4: I'm just surprised that Dorothy Dixons still exists in our

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Speaker 3: Where the Dorothy Dixie. You have to understand now that

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Speaker 3: but more importantly, how you ask that question, because a

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, palichet is a similar cup of tea

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Speaker 3: Well, they're all the same, They're all style. There's no substance.

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Speaker 3: Look clearly it's working. I mean at this stage you

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Speaker 1: Good on you, Dave, Dave good to chat with you

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Speaker 1: on Wednesdays and Mattie Hepworth will will get the news

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Speaker 1: from you in a.

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Speaker 2: Few minutes time. Thank you. You are listening to Mix

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Speaker 2: one O four point nine. That was the big issues