1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: Well, Parliament is sitting today. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: We've spoken earlier this morning about the changes to the 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: EYEKAK and joining us on the line is the Independent 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: Member for going at Kezia Puric. 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: Good morning, kezier. 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 3: Oh, good morning, Katie. 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: Stepped out of Parliament for a moment for us. What's 8 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: going on in there this morning. 9 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 3: What's going on is the government's introducing two more bills. 10 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 3: One was first by Lauren Moss, Minister for Environmental Things, 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: and it's in regards to reforms and amendments to environmental 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 3: protection legislation involving the EPAID. It involves the mining expiration industry. 13 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: Quite a lengthy bill, quite a lengthy speech. And now 14 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: we've got Nicole Madison, who's the Resource Minister, Mining etc. 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: Bringing in a new piece of legislation. I just it 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: sounds like to repeal. It's basically all covering expression of 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: mining industry. So I think it's going to be quite 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: a big bill. I'm not sure exactly the full content, 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: but they are repealing a previous piece of legislation, the 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: Mind Management Act, which has been around for a long time, 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: and replacing with a new piece of legislation. So that'll 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 3: be very interesting and I'll no doubt have to get 23 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 3: a briefing on that because they'll have a huge impact 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: on not only the expression mining industry, but also comes 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: the extractive industry. People sometimes forget about the extractive guys 26 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: and girls, but they are scooped up under mining legislation 27 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 3: as well. So that's what's on this morning. 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 2: And so we're thinking that these changes are good ones 29 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 2: keasyer or is it still sort of too early to tell. 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: I'd be too early to tell. I'd like to talk 31 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: to the extractive industry and the mining industry and the 32 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: oil and gas industry to see what their views are. 33 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: I always have a healthy, healthy skepticism and suspicion when 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: there's whole scale changes to mining legislation, because you know, 35 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: there's so many opponents against, you know, the industry for 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: various reasons, usually misguided reasons. But I'll do a lot 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: of talking to find out exactly how well it's been 38 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: received and more importantly, how well the consultation's been. It's 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: been serious and fullsome consultation or has it just been 40 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: a little bit of lipsy this given On one hand, 41 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: you know, the Minister Madison, Resources Minister speaks so well 42 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: of the mining industry, in the wil and gas industry. 43 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: They don't want to put a whole level of red tape, 44 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: green tape, base tape, yeah, on touple of the industry 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: to try and do the job, because at the end 46 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: of the day, Cadie, if they make it too hard, 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 3: the countries will just go to w A. 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's exactly right. 49 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: And you know, we know that there is real pushback 50 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: at this point in time from you know, from those 51 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: not wanting the gas industry and not wanting different developments 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: around gas. Is it going to cover that too, Kesier. 53 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 54 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: No. 55 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: I think this is more directed at hard rock mining, 56 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: you know, new mind whether they may be existing minds, abandoned, 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: the orphan mind, things of that nature. So I can 58 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: tell you more when I've had some briefing. 59 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll wait and hear about that, Kezia. One 60 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 2: thing that did pass yesterday is the Independent Commission against 61 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: Corruption Amendment Bill of twenty twenty three pass the Northern 62 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: Territory Parliament. The government says that well, that it is 63 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: about ensuring confidence in government accountability. I know that there 64 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: was concerns raised earlier this morning by the Independent member 65 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: for our Robin Lamley. But Kisia, what do you make 66 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: of these changes? 67 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: I have concerns, and I spoke at length about some 68 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: of the areas of my concern One is in regards 69 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: to whistleblowers. I mean, if I mean whistleblowers, whoever they 70 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: may be, whichever agency or government instrumentality can have a 71 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: very important role because they're in a situation and we 72 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: know about famous whistleblows all around the world where if 73 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: they go forward to the IKAK with a serious issue 74 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: they believe is happening within the department, one of the 75 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: things the k Commission does is to refer the matter 76 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: back to the department to look at the matter. Now, 77 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: how is that going to actually protect the whistleblower? You know, 78 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: he or she's gone to ik in confidence, very concerned 79 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: about some activity that they believe to be not proper, 80 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: and yet the department is put in charge of investigating it, 81 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: and there's no there doesn't appear to be any ordit 82 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: like has that department did they talk to people? Perhaps 83 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: the whistleblower identified, talk to this person, talk to that person. 84 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: Because I gave a first hand case of a whistle 85 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: blower who I accompanied as a support person to the 86 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: Department of Education. That person provided names of people to 87 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: talk to within this particular school structure. They were never 88 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: spoken to. They were never spoken to by Department of Education. 89 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: So how do we know that that matter was actually 90 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: looked at at all. There's also a great distrust by 91 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: whistle blowing kind of people, because I've had people come 92 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: and talk to me in my office in regards to 93 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: you know, look, this is an issue within this department, 94 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: and they said, but I don't want to go and 95 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: talk to that. Okay, I don't trust you know. I'll 96 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: have my phone records, I'll have this, I'll have that. 97 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: So I spoke about that, and I actually suggested ways 98 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: for which improvement. So time will tell. But the other 99 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 3: one that I was very concerned about after my briefing 100 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: from the departmental people or Chief Minister's departmental people, there's 101 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: a new section called number twenty four. What it says 102 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: and what it allows is I tack officers. Now no 103 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: one travels in a single persons pack. There's always a 104 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: gaggle of these people. They can just turn up at 105 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 3: Public Servant's office and demand their laptop, their computers, their files, 106 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: their records, their phones, whatever. I asked the question in 107 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: the briefing and they said they'd come back to me, 108 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: but didn't. What if that person says no, oh, well 109 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: the access I'll have to yeah, But what if they 110 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: say no, you don't have any powers of you don't 111 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: have any powers of arrest. If that person says no, 112 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: then what didn't have an answer? The second thing was 113 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: where is that person's legal representation? Who's going to read 114 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: them their rights? You know, like when the police officer 115 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: arrest someone, they read them their rights and according to 116 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: the law. So these officers are going to just turn 117 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: up in a public servant's office who may be just 118 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: a middle ranking public servant, but they're part of a 119 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 3: bigger investigation and say right hand over all your staff 120 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: or else. So they don't provide them their rights as 121 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: an individual. They don't allow them to seek advice perhaps 122 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: from a legal representative or you know, or their sister 123 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: or brother who may be a lawyer or whatever. So 124 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: they wouldn't answer me. They either wouldn't or couldn't, or 125 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: I hopefully not that they just think, well, we aren't 126 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 3: worried about those kind of concerns. We're just going to 127 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: push your head anyway, and they didn't. They didn't provide 128 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: me information the Chief Minister. It didn't come out in 129 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: the committee stages. So Section twenty four is there for 130 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: EYE CAC officers to go to any public servance office 131 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: and demand material and they have to give it to them. 132 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: But I'm saying you can say no because they haven't 133 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,119 Speaker 3: read you. You're right, they're not allowing you natural justice 134 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: to determine whether you are in a position to give 135 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 3: them that. I mean, just because someone comes to your door, Katie, 136 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: doesn't mean you have to accept what they're saying as 137 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: fact and legally correct. You should always challenge people when 138 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: they come to your office or your home or your 139 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 3: workplace until they can show authority. 140 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: But we're too from here with the EYE, because I mean, 141 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: I know that there's you know, there were concerns raised 142 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: earlier this morning by Robin Lamley. 143 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: Her concern is very different to yours. 144 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: You know, she was talking about what she felt could 145 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: be a conflict of interest if there are members of 146 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: the Legislative Assembly currently being investigated but then voting on 147 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: those legislative changes going ahead. I mean that in itself 148 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: is a concern that she's talking about. But then there 149 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: is no six degrees of separation in the Northern Territory. 150 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: So when an investigation is underway, you know it's very 151 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: likely that you know that they're potentially going to be 152 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: conflicts for example. 153 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: Well that's true, Katie, but we have that issue across 154 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: the board in the Northern Territory. We've had that issue 155 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 3: when you know, individuals go into a court case situation 156 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: where you know, the person coming before the courts knows 157 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: all the dodges, or the person coming before the courts 158 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: knows you know, the prosecution people and they deal with 159 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: it accordingly. They may get a judge from inter state 160 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: or something of that nature. So we're a small jurisdiction 161 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: and a small town and a small community, and you know, 162 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: very flat people have access to the members of parliament 163 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: and local councilors and they're very easily So I guess 164 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: it's just the question a situation is, yes, the potential 165 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: is there, but as long as you recognize it and 166 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: know it could be there, whether real or perceive, then 167 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: you deal with it. You either excuse yourself or you 168 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: step aside or whatever that happens. In corporate meetings, it 169 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 3: happens across the board in different council meetings, local council meetings. 170 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: I have an interest in this because that matter sitting 171 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 3: that road is my mother's road, you know, So people 172 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: are pretty okay, I think anyway. I can't. I'm not 173 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: sure I share Robin Lamley's concerns one hundred percent, but 174 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 3: I understand what she is talking about. But in regards 175 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: to members of talent being under investigation, well, in Feria, 176 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 3: no one's meant to know because it confidential. But then 177 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: she did say that yes, she's referred to people, but 178 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: how does she know? How does she know that the 179 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: IKA is investigating them? Because the ICAC won't tell her 180 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 3: and the people that are investigating aren't going to tell her. 181 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, and if she does know that the ICA's 182 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 3: investigating them, how is it showing us? Is that showing 183 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: a weakness in the ICACK system that the information you're 184 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: getting out somehow? I don't know. And that's part of 185 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 3: the whole dilemma with the establishment of this organization, which 186 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: we've had for about six years now. And you know, 187 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: you look at our side, like South Australia's got about 188 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 3: one point eight million people and their icac's got I 189 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: think thirty four people per staff. We've got two hundred 190 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: and fifty thousand one point eight men of us is 191 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand, and we've got an ICIC 192 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: with about twenty four people, you know, So doesn't mean 193 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: that we've got more business in that area than South 194 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 3: Australia or what. 195 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, who knows. 196 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 3: I know there's a little bit out of balance to me, 197 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: that's all. Yeah. 198 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: Look, and I know plenty of people have plenty of 199 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: different opinions on this and the ICAIC. You know, Unfortunately, 200 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: in the early days, as we all know, there was 201 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: under the former AKAC commissioner, there were a number of 202 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: bungled cases and yeah, a number of things that have 203 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 2: gone on that people have sort of, you know, had 204 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 2: maybe entered this thing thinking all right, well the eye 205 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: tack's going to be able to do this that and 206 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: the other end are maybe now feeling a little bit 207 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: you know, well, they're questioning just what it can. 208 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: Do, well, not so much what it can do. I mean, 209 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: I'm sure the people in there are very capable people 210 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: and a very capable person too, but it's is the 211 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: business really there, That's the question. I would probably be asking. 212 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 3: Like I listed in my speech that the number of 213 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: agencies that we have in the Northern Charity to assist 214 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: people with these kind of issues. We have Northern Charity Police, 215 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: of course, we have the Onwoodsmen. We have the Health 216 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: Complaints Commissioner when there's issues with hospital and health government agencies. 217 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 3: We have the Antidiscrimination Commissioner. We have the Information Commissioner. 218 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: You know, we have an enormous amount of agencies that 219 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 3: can help people when there are troubled times or troubled issues. 220 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: And this is just another one. So I get people 221 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: come to my office and you know, they have an issue, 222 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: you know, and I'll go to they was one. I said, no, No, 223 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: the Honess not doesn't deal with that kind of thing. 224 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 3: You know, this is the kind of issue you've got 225 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: and just perhaps Howard can sort it out, you know, 226 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: like the endcap the Civil Tribunal, you know, which deals 227 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: with small claims and small disputes and things of that nature. 228 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: So we have an array of agencies at our disposal. 229 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: And I don't disagree with Robin Lammy talked about perhaps, 230 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: you know, outsourcing certain of the services to get away 231 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: from the closeness of our town. Maybe it's the question 232 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 3: of some of these services, perhaps their powers and their 233 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: their scope of works, you know, needs to be reviewed 234 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: such that they can perhaps do some of this with 235 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: I mean, just look at the police recently with the 236 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: Colin Green case that was handled going Northern Party police, 237 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: you know, for all these alleged things that she was 238 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: meant to have done which proved not to be toe 239 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: but at great cost to her and lots of other people. 240 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: So I think with this high tech legislation was fine. 241 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: I was disappointed there was only one government member who 242 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 3: spoke to it and one FELP member who spoke to it. 243 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: But bother of the Independence there wouldn't have been any debate 244 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 3: at all. Yeah, right, and Robin and Mark Turnell spoke 245 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: to it. So I got the feeling, the distinct feeling 246 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 3: that government just wanted to get it through and just 247 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 3: push it off the gender. Well, we don't want to 248 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: talk about this kind of stuff anymore. Let's talk about 249 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: something else. 250 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and you know the thing is, territorians want 251 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: to know exactly what is going on Keisier. We are 252 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: going to have to leave it there because we've got 253 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: a head across to the eleven o'clock National News. 254 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: Good to speak to you. We'll talk to you again soon. 255 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: Thank you.