1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Well and Woody Podcast Mini Matthew Riley in the studio. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome mat dudey. 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 2: Great to be here, guys, thanks for having me. 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: So good to have you here, So good to have you. 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 3: I'm making this start up, but I reckon it's accurate. 6 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 3: I would say that one of your books would be 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 3: in ninety eight percent of households in Australia. 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: I would be very happy with that. We've sold a 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: lot of books in this country. 10 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: Obviously. The content of your books is well action, page 11 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: to page, relentless, guns, artillery, spies, all that sort of stuff. 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: Why does that I'm missing something? 13 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: I feel like am I very dark on the insiet? 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: Is it good? It's good therapy, It gets it, gets 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: it out in a very safe space. No, you know, 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: just just in millions of copies around the world. Yeah. No, 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: I like to think I'm a pretty well adjusted guy. 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: But in the books, you know, it's supposed to be thrilling, 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: and death has to be something to be really feared, 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: and so the death's my books are pretty violent. The 21 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: funny thing is my book Scarecrow. Scarecrow was this super 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: fast book, really really quite violent, and a lot of 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: people got their heads chopped off in Scarecrow for plot reasons. 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: But it had a sex scene in it, a little 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 2: two line sex scene in it, and. 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: A two line sex scene. 27 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was very quick. 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like me every time. 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: It got banned at this librari school librarian wrote this 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: email to all these other school librarians and said, ladies, 31 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: just so you know, the new Matthew Riley book has 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: a sex scene. It was a minor character in like 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: some red light district in Berlin. Right for the school librarian. 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: The shocking violence in the books, that was no problem, 35 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: but the one sex scene. Now. Then I wrote a 36 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: book years later called The Tournament. 37 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: Oh I heard about this because I saw an interview. 38 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: You said that your friends found it to be your favorite. 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: Book because of the sex scenes. It's got very it's 40 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: got very explicit sex scenes in The Tournament, right. And 41 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm sitting around with my buddies in America 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: where I live, and they're sitting around there, someone says, 43 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: you know, my favorite book yours is The Tournament, you know, 44 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: and someone is that the one with all the sex 45 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: in it? Because yeah, because yeah, that's my favorite. Two 46 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: I wonder what that librarian. 47 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 3: Say, should send it to a sender a signed coffee 48 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 3: flick through this one like six. I find the writing 49 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 3: of sex scenes so interesting. 50 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: Though, right, or you read a lot of erotic fiction 51 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: these days. 52 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 3: I read a lot of Colin Hoover. Yeah, I sort 53 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: of flushway between you and Hoover, a combination of the tube. 54 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: He really is like a sixteen year old boy, just 55 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: eroticism and machine guns. 56 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: I've never grown out of him. But in a sex scene, 57 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: how do you how do you get the idea for 58 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: a sex scene? 59 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: Like it's actually it is really hard, and then yourself 60 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: have to factor in that your mother's going to read, yeah, 61 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 2: so true, and it's it's always a question of how 62 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: do you use the word penis? It is? 63 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 64 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: This is true? What do you mean it's just therapy, 65 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: that's all right, the old sort of you know, Mills 66 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: and Boon stuff. 67 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yea. 68 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: You know, she fell into his arms, and she she 69 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: felt his his passion, his passion, that's right, his glorious passion. 70 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So you're using every word you could 71 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: to not say penis. But I think fifty shades of 72 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: Gray just freed us, all right, And finally enough, I 73 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: wrote Tournament. I wrote Tournament before fifty Shades of Gray. Right, 74 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: for some reason, we held it back a couple of years, 75 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: and so fifty Shades of Great stole my thunder. I 76 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: would be her for that. I'm just saying, Oh, but 77 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: there's probably a librarian who just had a you know, 78 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: an aneurysm when she read Tournament. 79 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Imagine when she read fifty Shades of Gray. So you 80 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: don't know when to use the word penis? Do you 81 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: have to use the word penis? 82 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: Oh? Hell yeah, yeah, you just do. 83 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: You just go there, but like from a from a 84 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: male perspective, of from a female perspective, or just like 85 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: because I mean, I imagine by your books are written 86 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: from a males no. 87 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: Actually, good question, Tournament and the new one written from 88 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: female perspective. And I mean, let's just put it all 89 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: out there. Tournament was a chess tournament set in the 90 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: fifteen forties in Constantinople. So literally sex parties in the right, okay, 91 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: every night, just describing one penis, describing a plethora of penis, 92 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: and all filled with sort of couplings in these sort 93 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: of incense filled small chambers. Wow, So I suppose it 94 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: actually goes back to your original question. You try to 95 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: make it more sensual and erotic rather than mechanical. And 96 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: so to me, it's all about more mood. Mood, mood, 97 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: And in every revision of tournament, it was all about 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: the mood. 99 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So but for me, like if you're throwing the 100 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: word penis out there, like, that's getting mechanical. 101 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: You've got to describe it as sort of a smoky 102 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: candlel it filled room. Oh you see, it's like Jaws. 103 00:04:58,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: It's like Jaws. 104 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: I've never done that radio interf You quite like this. 105 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: How did we get here? 106 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: I actually feel like you took us in? It's amazingly. 107 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: We are usually the conflict, the problem. 108 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: But it's quite a practical problem though, which I'm finding interesting. 109 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: I actors say the same thing about sex scenes in movies. 110 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: They're just they're not easy to film. I suppose they're 111 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: not easy to write either. 112 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: No, I can't imagine. 113 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: How do you go back to normal? Sorry? One more question. 114 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 3: If I've written a sex scene, like I'm probably pretty 115 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 3: involved in it, I'm into it, how do you then 116 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: go down to the shops and buy milk? 117 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: Like? Do you need to like going. 118 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: Are you talking about It's not saying penis in the 119 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: fridge when down at getting milk out of there? 120 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 3: Do you cat your milk down? If I read it 121 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: really hot and happening hoover hoover bit, which is a 122 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: real intense sex scene. It takes me a bit of 123 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: time to like cool off if you write it, is 124 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 3: there like a process? 125 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just a professional way I can turn 126 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: it on, turn it off. You've been there, done that. Yeah. 127 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: I think he's written a lot of them made no 128 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: fair enough. 129 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: Thank you so much mate, Loving to meet you guys. 130 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me usd your book. 131 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: It's called Mister Einstein's Secretary's out now in all good bookstores. Mate. 132 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. 133 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're supposed to talk about. 134 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: That quite. 135 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: Check it out. So good to hear more of the 136 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: boys on the Full Show podcast, all on the iHeartRadio app. 137 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: Oh worry me get your podcast.