WEBVTT - Gretel Vella - Totally Completely Fine - Content Creator

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>your chosen podcast platform. This chat, I am joined by

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<v Speaker 1>Gretel Vella, who is a film television theater writer and

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<v Speaker 1>is the mastermind behind the latest Stan original series, Totally

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<v Speaker 1>Completely Fine. The series drops on stand Australia this week

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<v Speaker 1>and the show is a little interesting and we will

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<v Speaker 1>get into that straight away in the podcast, but the

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<v Speaker 1>series is inspired by true events It is a six

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<v Speaker 1>part dark comedy series led by Thomasin mackenzie, who you

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<v Speaker 1>would know from the popular film Jojo Rabbit, and it

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<v Speaker 1>explores the complexities of grief, the power of friendship, and

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<v Speaker 1>the ways our sadness can unite us. The series examines

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<v Speaker 1>family legacy and ultimately ask the question how many lives

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<v Speaker 1>do we have to save before we can save ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to pre warn you this conversation does include

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of discussion around suicide and suicide prevention. However,

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<v Speaker 1>as the show is a comedy drama, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to know that this show is not completely gazumped by

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<v Speaker 1>the bleak subject matter and is definitely worth watching. I

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<v Speaker 1>will ask Gretel about the origins of the story and

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<v Speaker 1>how much of it is based on real life events.

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<v Speaker 1>We will talk about the shows in which Gretel may

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<v Speaker 1>have been inspired by. When you see the hero house

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<v Speaker 1>that's in the series straight away, you'll get Love my

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<v Speaker 1>Way vibes, and I will find out if it was

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<v Speaker 1>the same house or if that show had influenced her.

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<v Speaker 1>Gretel will also be talking about the casting of Thomasin

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<v Speaker 1>and why the international actress said yes to being a

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<v Speaker 1>part of this series, Plus we will get plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>exclusives from behind the scenes of Totally Completely Fine, which

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<v Speaker 1>you can now view on Stan Australia. Anyway, let's bring

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<v Speaker 1>Gretel into the podcast, and I really hope you enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. Hi, Gretel, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very good, Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you well? I'm very excited to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>to you about this show because I had heard about

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<v Speaker 1>this series a while back, and I have been really

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<v Speaker 1>interested in how you were going to weave this story together.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, look, comedy is something that I always use

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<v Speaker 2>in my work to tackle subjects that are really hard,

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<v Speaker 2>and I actually think that this show probably wouldn't work

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<v Speaker 2>if it were a straight drama. I think it tackles

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<v Speaker 2>some really heavy ideas, but I think we cushion it

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<v Speaker 2>in such a way that it's going to be hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>fun also for the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>I kept thinking while I was watching this, this could

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<v Speaker 1>very easily be a straight drama. But then I kept

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about if I didn't have the comedy, would it

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit too hectic for me as a watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, are you surprised to hear me talking

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<v Speaker 1>about that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we talked a lot about the tone and

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<v Speaker 2>what was funny and what wasn't, And I guess we

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<v Speaker 2>agreed on what was and what wasn't when we first started,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we had a whole bunch of different suicide

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<v Speaker 2>prevention consultation bodies come through and psychologists and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people read the scripts, and so I think by

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<v Speaker 2>the end we've come to something that is funny in

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of healthy and good way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, grief and loss is something that everyone goes through,

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<v Speaker 1>so I mean it's very accessible to a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>But what made you want to explore this territory?

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<v Speaker 2>Mental illness is something I've kind of had anxiety depression

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<v Speaker 2>since I was about fourteen, so it's always kind of

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<v Speaker 2>been in my work, but I guess I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>explore it in a deeper way. I kind of came

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<v Speaker 2>to the idea jeering lockdown and I actually had a

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<v Speaker 2>really weird experience where I was actually witnessed to two

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<v Speaker 2>suicide attempts within the space of a week from a distance.

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<v Speaker 2>But on the second one, my Uber driver pulled over

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<v Speaker 2>and said to me, every day past this site, and

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<v Speaker 2>every day there is someone else here trying to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>so I kind of started to research guardians of places

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<v Speaker 2>that people went to attempt suicide, and I just started

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<v Speaker 2>to wonder what it would look like if someone who

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<v Speaker 2>had anxiety and depression themselves was actually one of these guardians,

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<v Speaker 2>and how would that be funny and how would that

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<v Speaker 2>be sad? But I guess also what superpowers would that

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<v Speaker 2>person have having walked a mile in these people's shoes,

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's kind of how I came to the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember first reading that it's inspired on true events,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like how much of this story actually did occur?

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<v Speaker 1>And I wanted to know more about that from you,

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<v Speaker 1>like with those situations that you went through personally, and

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<v Speaker 1>then sort of where you took it to with the

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<v Speaker 1>writer's room. I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the show is inspired by a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of different guardians. I kind of did my research on

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<v Speaker 2>a few different people who looked after these places, and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Vivian's kind of form of anxiety is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of quite similar to mine and a few of the

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<v Speaker 2>people that I know. But I guess beyond the pilot,

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<v Speaker 2>it's quite a fictionalized story that has been invented by

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<v Speaker 2>us and it's kind of Viv's growth journey, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>also her brother's growth journey. I think all of these

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<v Speaker 2>three siblings are kind of dealing with the loss of

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<v Speaker 2>their parents, and Vivian's is in more of an outward,

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<v Speaker 2>visceral way, and I guess the brothers think that they've

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<v Speaker 2>dealt with it as well, but as we go on,

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<v Speaker 2>we see that they kind of start to unravel too. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to be proud of in this series,

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<v Speaker 1>and I felt like you broke a lot of ground

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<v Speaker 1>in telling stories about siblings. You know, we often see

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<v Speaker 1>siblings on television and they sort of get played off

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<v Speaker 1>a certain way where I just kept thinking, Oh, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in a three as in I've got half siblings

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and I just was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the dynamics between these three people, it's so it

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<v Speaker 1>was so real because at one point you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're the sensible one and the other two

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<v Speaker 1>are crazy, and then you become the crazy one, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's really well depicted I think in this series.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was kind of a response that I got

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<v Speaker 2>initial to the scripts, and it was actually really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Initially they were all women and then I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gave it to my producers and they were like, we

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<v Speaker 2>actually think it would be interesting if you gender flipped

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<v Speaker 2>the brothers, but you didn't really do anything beyond flipping

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<v Speaker 2>the gender. So I think they're also male characters that

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<v Speaker 2>you maybe won't see, you haven't seen on the screens

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<v Speaker 2>a lot before, which I'm really proud of. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I am from A three three siblings as well, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's very much modeled on that dynamic where also the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of alliances start to change as the show goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the I think you've managed to capture, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the love of the sibling, the jealousy and the silly

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<v Speaker 1>things that we have not let go of from the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally, and how you can love them but also hate

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<v Speaker 2>them for the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>No one can say anything bad about my siblings ever.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally can't hear it. I will never hear about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet I will be the first person to be

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there just saying, oh my god, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>how they get through their life.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as soon as your partner tries to ho in,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, no, no, that's not no, no, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Cannot say a goddamn word. Sit tight. You're just there

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<v Speaker 1>to listen, just not and agree. You know, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you about other shows that might have influenced

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<v Speaker 1>your creative process, because I certainly was watching this and

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<v Speaker 1>thinking I could feel some tones from shows that we've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in Australia. Were you influenced by other scripted dramas

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<v Speaker 1>that have been made in this country?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually look, most of my tonal references were quite

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<v Speaker 2>international in the flavor, and that was kind of my goal,

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<v Speaker 2>was to I was particularly inspired by things like Fleeback

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<v Speaker 2>and I May Destroy You, things that kind of dealt

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<v Speaker 2>with really hard topics, but they kind of walked that

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<v Speaker 2>line between comedy and drama. And it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>my goal to make a show that was really distinctly

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<v Speaker 2>Australian but could sit alongside those shows, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>of equal worth, and that looked as visually interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Love my Way for me, this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a funny story. Did you ever watch Love

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<v Speaker 1>My Way?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yes, Love My Way was one of our references,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly the Hero House.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, yeah, so that Hero House. That's not the

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<v Speaker 1>same house though from Love My Way? Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I think we did look at the Love my

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<v Speaker 2>Way house, but we went with something different.

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<v Speaker 1>But it still had some was there sets or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember the bedroom looked a lot like Frankie's

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom Claudia Carvin's bedroom in that house. Maybe the house

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<v Speaker 1>has just looked quite similar, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, definitely not Love my Way. We really wanted to,

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<v Speaker 2>but we thought people will probably go they'd used to

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<v Speaker 2>Love my White House.

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<v Speaker 1>Haha. But you want to have that sort of feeling

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<v Speaker 1>because you know what's really funny about that show is

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<v Speaker 1>Love My Way is written basically to be a very

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<v Speaker 1>serious drama without comedy. But I think if that show

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<v Speaker 1>as being quite comical. And I'll tell you one day

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<v Speaker 1>we had, like you know, when you have a group

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<v Speaker 1>of friends over to watch YouTube of your favorite clips

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<v Speaker 1>and funny comedians and things like that. I started bringing

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<v Speaker 1>up these clips from Love my Way that were really dark,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was laughing, thinking, oh my god, it's hilarious,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone's like, Ben, this is not really funny. This

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<v Speaker 1>is and I'm like, oh, I find dark subject matter

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<v Speaker 1>to be quite comical. And I think that's why when

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<v Speaker 1>while watching your show, I just found myself laughing so

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<v Speaker 1>easily in a good way.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you think you were laughing at things that

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<v Speaker 2>were intended to be jokes or you just have a

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<v Speaker 2>taste that's a little darker than other people.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always liked black comedies. I don't know there's something

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with me. I mean, I need to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to my therapist on that. But I think that if

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<v Speaker 1>people are listening to this too and they love dark comedy,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to just eat this with a spoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I do feel like it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>tonal journey. I think it does definitely get a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit darker as it goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'm watching things and I'm laughing, and I think,

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<v Speaker 1>am I the only person that's going to laugh at this?

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<v Speaker 1>And when we don't watch things in a big theater

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<v Speaker 1>with everyone else, we don't get that verification that it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay to laugh. But I certainly, yeah, I definitely found

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<v Speaker 1>this to be quite funny. But you know, we know

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<v Speaker 1>the best way to deal with the darkest emotions that

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<v Speaker 1>we have is to talk about them. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that this show will help people have more open conversations

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<v Speaker 1>about maybe their personal struggles or their dark things that

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<v Speaker 1>are happening in their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope. So I think that that was like

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<v Speaker 2>my number one intention. I think that the way that

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<v Speaker 2>we depict mental illness on screens is still quite surface

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<v Speaker 2>level or tropy, and I think that this really delves

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<v Speaker 2>into it in a really big way. And Yeah, my

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<v Speaker 2>biggest intention was that you get to the end of

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<v Speaker 2>it and you feel like you can talk to someone

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<v Speaker 2>who you suspect might not be in a great place,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can talk to other people about your experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most of the suicide prevention training we had

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<v Speaker 2>said to us that if you start the conversation and

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<v Speaker 2>you show the person that you're not afraid, it immediately

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<v Speaker 2>kind of takes away all the tension in fear than

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<v Speaker 2>anyone feels, and people are more inclined to get help.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's quite interesting, you know. I was asked to

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<v Speaker 1>do a charity once and I turned up and the

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<v Speaker 1>charity was quite I don't want to say what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was quite a difficult subject matter. And I

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<v Speaker 1>turned up and they had to do like a photo

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<v Speaker 1>and they asked me to do this photo where they

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<v Speaker 1>asked me to sort of do this symbol that they

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<v Speaker 1>all do for this particular charity. And I smiled while

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing it, and they said to me, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe don't smile. And it was funny because they then

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<v Speaker 1>use the photo of me smiling and it had the

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<v Speaker 1>most amount of traction, It had the most amount of

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<v Speaker 1>interaction of people feeling comfortable to talk about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that is a really interesting way of getting

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<v Speaker 1>people to have a conversation when the subject matter is

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<v Speaker 1>quite dark, is to it doesn't have to be exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how you think the tone has to be, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Like it needs to be inviting

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<v Speaker 1>to have a good conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean I think people I was, certainly before

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<v Speaker 2>I started the consultation experience, really scared to well. I

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't know what to do in those situations. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people think that if they

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<v Speaker 2>bring it up there, they'll say the wrong thing or

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<v Speaker 2>they'll trigger the person. And I mean, we did a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of training with Living Works, and it's actually in

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<v Speaker 2>episode two, vivd some training herself on suicide prevention, and

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<v Speaker 2>in this montage, the number one thing I want to

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<v Speaker 2>people to take away is you can ask someone are

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<v Speaker 2>you thinking about suicide? You just directly ask them if

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<v Speaker 2>you suspect someone is suffering, And I can't believe how

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<v Speaker 2>effective that phrase is. It immediately removes the tension people

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<v Speaker 2>will talk to you about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that strange? I mean, it's just strange. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like that's a weird thing to.

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<v Speaker 2>Save it, you know, even weird.

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<v Speaker 1>And also after COVID than ever we're all acting and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I should speak on my own behalf. We're all

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<v Speaker 1>acting way weirder than we ever did before. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>way more internalized emotion than you realize because we got

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm from Melbourne, so we got very locked down.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what you really need for people to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you is those really bold questions. You know, are you okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, are you thinking about suicide? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>worried that people might turn away from this series being

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<v Speaker 1>thinking it's a bit bleak.

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<v Speaker 2>Potentially that's a worry. But hopefully if people even just

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<v Speaker 2>watch a little bit of the pilot, they'll see that

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<v Speaker 2>it's so much all and just go about suicide. It

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<v Speaker 2>is also a body comedy, a family drama that has

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<v Speaker 2>some real lass in there, and so I think people

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<v Speaker 2>will actually really enjoy it. And the pilot's quite silly

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<v Speaker 2>and fun. So I think that feel like it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also relate to the underdog character. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that's really flawed, anyone that's almost awful, like it's funny,

0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I really relate to them, and like Vivian, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I just was like, I'm relating so hard to this person.

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<v Speaker 1>What sort of inspiration did you have for this person?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think we've ever seen anyone like

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<v Speaker 1>Vivian before.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was really important to me because I

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<v Speaker 2>think when we depict mental illness, often the journeys are

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<v Speaker 2>quite linear, and someone will have a conversation with someone

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<v Speaker 2>or something will happen to them and they'll be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel better, I am healed now. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>Vivian's journey, I mean you've watched it, is so up

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<v Speaker 2>and down, and you know, even when we get to

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<v Speaker 2>the end, she's not a perfect person or healed by

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<v Speaker 2>any means. But I think the show is saying that

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<v Speaker 2>even if you're mess as most of the characters are,

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<v Speaker 2>you still deserve to be there. And I think Tom

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<v Speaker 2>thomasin McKenzie, who plays Vivian, I think it would be

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<v Speaker 2>really easy to kind of play Vivian one note that is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm a really selfish person who doesn't care

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<v Speaker 2>about anyone else. But I think the thing about Viv

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<v Speaker 2>is that she cares so deeply, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>why she stuffs up so much. And she has such

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<v Speaker 2>a warmth and wit underneath that, I think, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think she avoids connecting with other people because she feels

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<v Speaker 2>like she doesn't deserve to. And Tom straight away understood

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<v Speaker 2>all of those things about her, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>an audience, you watch it and you just go I

0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.360
<v Speaker 2>can see all of that underneath. I know you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be better, and so I kind of love you

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>As an actress, Thomasin is just brilliant in this like

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be such a hard role to try

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<v Speaker 1>and undertake, you know, and to try and navigate throughout

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<v Speaker 1>sort of making these words come on screen. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you come across her? I mean, how did

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<v Speaker 1>you get her interested in this project?

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<v Speaker 2>We got really lucky that she'd been I mean, she

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<v Speaker 2>was traveling a lot and doing a lot of film

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<v Speaker 2>and television. I think she was just back in New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand for a few months, and I think she was

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<v Speaker 2>looking for a TV project if it was the right thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and we sent her the first few scripts and she

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<v Speaker 2>really liked them and really responded to Vivian, And so

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<v Speaker 2>then we got on the phone and had a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>and as I said, she just understood her and understood

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<v Speaker 2>her want to do better. And I think there was

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of myself, our director, Lucy Gaffi and Tom

0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.800
<v Speaker 2>all really connected on that and this character, and she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do it. I was so grateful to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that we're able to tell stories that

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<v Speaker 1>can be a little bit more niche these days? You

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<v Speaker 1>know now that streaming services like stan Australia around. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>are you as a creator able to quite you know,

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<v Speaker 1>dream big and look outside of the constructs of what

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<v Speaker 1>we used to see on television on our free away networks?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? One hundred percent. I definitely feel like things are changing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've definitely had this show, I mean different iterations

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in my back pocket for a while, and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like now people are so much more open

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<v Speaker 2>to things like that, and it's really interesting. Other ideas

0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.040
<v Speaker 2>that I've had, You can get laughed out of rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Years ago, I would get laughed out of rooms, and

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<v Speaker 2>now people are like yeah, that sounds great. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're changing, and particularly in Australia, I think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole host of shows that are about to be released

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<v Speaker 2>that are really just changing the game and what we

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<v Speaker 2>see ourselves as capable of doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you grow up liking flawed characters? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if this is a strange question to ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>because I did, Like, I think of so many different shows.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean even I remember The Gray's Anatomy has now

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<v Speaker 1>been on television for like a hundred years, but I

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<v Speaker 1>remember when Meredith Gray was on that show to start with,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you're awful, but I love you. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't think I write any characters that

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<v Speaker 2>are on flawed. I'm really interested in outcasts and lonely people,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you can make people these days as

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<v Speaker 2>unlikable as you want, as long as you show the

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<v Speaker 2>audience they're wound and why they're like that. I think that,

0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and they're really interesting stories to tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a point where characters can be too dark?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a tipping point which you guys might have

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<v Speaker 1>had in the writer's room where you were like, oh no,

0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.960
<v Speaker 1>hang on a sec that might turn people away.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, definitely, but I think the kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>barometer for that in every show is different. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that in this show, all the characters are actually quite warm,

0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.560
<v Speaker 2>and so Viv really had to exist in that world

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of if she went too far, I was

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<v Speaker 2>often trying to protect her. But I think if we

0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.240
<v Speaker 2>look at shows like White Lotus, for example, those characters

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<v Speaker 2>are all us is a shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm They're awful, horrible, people can stop watching them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I feel like our tolerance level for that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing is really increasing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. I was talking only just recently, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was in one of the offcuts of the podcast, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I didn't get to use it. But when they

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<v Speaker 1>were making Muriel's wedding, Muriel was a big talking point.

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<v Speaker 1>They shot it where she was more awful than what

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<v Speaker 1>we got to see in the final edit, and so

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<v Speaker 1>when they were doing the editing process they pulled back.

0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.639
<v Speaker 1>They actually cut very small clips out of that story

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that audiences in nineteen ninety four didn't

0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.440
<v Speaker 1>hate her. And I thought that was really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh my goodness, I would love to see that

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<v Speaker 2>other cut.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Joe Bilcock, I think would be the person to ask,

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<v Speaker 1>who's an editor. But yeah, and she's got a documentary

0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that's out of people are listening to this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's dancing in the edit. Might have got that wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but she does openly talk about having to edit around

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<v Speaker 1>Muriel and being concerned that audiences might turn away because

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<v Speaker 1>she made terrible decisions and they thought that people might

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<v Speaker 1>be polarized by her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really difficult. There really is a balance that

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<v Speaker 2>you need to find. But I think, yeah, it's show dependent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very true. I just was wondering whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>you guys were sitting there going, oh, look, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to do this with her, and they'd be like, oh,

0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:58.600
<v Speaker 1>we've already done this, so we kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have to try and balance it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm trying to think of specific instances, but there

0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 2>were definitely well, I was about to give away a

0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.760
<v Speaker 2>huge spoiler, there were definitely additions to things that she

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<v Speaker 2>did that we thought we should full back for those reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, do you have a favorite scene? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was wanting to ask you the most

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<v Speaker 1>out of all of these questions I've asking you, because

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<v Speaker 1>there are so many great moments in this show and

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<v Speaker 1>for you finally getting to see it realized and see

0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.000
<v Speaker 1>it just ready before you know, audiences can digest it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when you think about it, is there a

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<v Speaker 1>scene that you go, wow? I'm just this is what

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<v Speaker 1>summarizes the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I allowed to pick two?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go for it. Pick three. As long as I

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<v Speaker 1>can stalk to you for the rest of my life,

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<v Speaker 1>keep telling me everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So there's a scene in the pilot where Vivian

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<v Speaker 2>takes out the bins. I'm not sure am I allowed

0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.919
<v Speaker 2>to give away spoilers on this? I think it's probably fine.

0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Vivian has a coping mechanism where she takes out bins

0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and then later on she shares that with someone else

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.920
<v Speaker 2>who is in crisis, and it's kind of a grounding

0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 2>technique that she uses to come back into the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was actually something that we took from one

0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.480
<v Speaker 2>of the consultants that came into the room with us.

0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.119
<v Speaker 2>This person was talking about when they had very active

0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.960
<v Speaker 2>suicidal ideation, they needed a small grounding practice to get

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<v Speaker 2>back into their own body and back into the present.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just felt like it really kind of summarized

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<v Speaker 2>what the show was trying to do. It was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of these huge life changing moments juxtaposed with something so

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<v Speaker 2>small and kind of ridiculous, and I think it plays

0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:44.960
<v Speaker 2>really beautifully in the show. My second would be episode three.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a particular how would I describe it, two

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<v Speaker 2>of our characters get really sick and vomit after a

0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.320
<v Speaker 2>night of drinking. But it is kind of this really

0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:02.000
<v Speaker 2>earsty scene between them where kind of starting to fall

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.800
<v Speaker 2>in love or like each other in amongst both of

0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:09.080
<v Speaker 2>them vomiting. And I think that too, really brilliantly summarizes

0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:13.960
<v Speaker 2>the show. I was really fun to shoot and to

0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:15.120
<v Speaker 2>plot in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>Vomit to me can be very hard. I'm a sympathetic spewer,

0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.719
<v Speaker 1>so anytime this spew I'm like, well, but I have

0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:24.800
<v Speaker 1>to circle back on the first one. And I think

0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.400
<v Speaker 1>we all have stuff in our lives that we use

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<v Speaker 1>and we do go back to. I know that if

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<v Speaker 1>I do something really stupid in my life, I've worked

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<v Speaker 1>out over time that I will come home and I

0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 1>will miss Machine my house. This might sound really Mistachine,

0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.480
<v Speaker 1>you remember those ads, but I will just clean to

0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 1>just you know, I've done something stupid, and it's a

0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>real reset for me. To feel better about myself. I'm like,

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.800
<v Speaker 1>it's okay that I did that because my house is tidy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we all have those sort of resets

0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.120
<v Speaker 1>in our minds, like taking the bins out.

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I love the mister Sheining. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to steal out for season two.

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<v Speaker 1>If I watched season two and mister Sheen's in there,

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<v Speaker 1>I want the wrong. I owe you some money, I promise,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all, not at all. It's actually cry it

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<v Speaker 1>quite funny. I retold a story to a friend of

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.720
<v Speaker 1>mine from my best friend, just to an acquaintance. And

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<v Speaker 1>then for some reason that friend became an author and

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.120
<v Speaker 1>she wrote a book anyway that she sent a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of the book to my best friend, even though they

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't really know each other, and I was like, oh

0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.280
<v Speaker 1>my god, why have you sent this book is so

0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 1>random to my friend Carrie. And then my friend Carry

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.800
<v Speaker 1>was reading it on a plane to Los Angeles and

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:36.960
<v Speaker 1>there was like a whole story in there that was

0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 1>completely ripped from her life. She was the person I retold, like,

0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I'll quickly tell you this really quickly. So my best

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.280
<v Speaker 1>friend she has to do presentations a lot. She's an engineer,

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.240
<v Speaker 1>so an engineer not typically likes to talk in front

0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.919
<v Speaker 1>of people, so her anxiety felt that she would always

0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>she always worried when she'd start to talk in front

0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 1>of people her head would roll off, and so she'd

0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.840
<v Speaker 1>start to like feel really like loose in the head,

0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and she'd be like, Oh my god, what happens in

0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.920
<v Speaker 1>my head while I'm talking? And it became a real paranoia. Anyway,

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.960
<v Speaker 1>my friend Cassie, Cassie Lane, she stole that story and

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 1>used it in her book, and the character had that

0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:15.640
<v Speaker 1>situation where she would get anxious and think her head

0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:16.240
<v Speaker 1>was going to roll on.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, and that's a very distinct.

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I didn't know that I told this story.

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 1>So she was on the plane, she was like, why

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the fuck is this Cassie Lane sent me this book,

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:28.639
<v Speaker 1>and why is my story in this book?

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 2>You know? Oh my god? Was she mad at you?

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Or was she like, it's.

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Fine, she's gonna be upset about that. She would have

0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:36.920
<v Speaker 1>left me years ago.

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.439
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Oh my god, that is that. The head rolling

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.200
<v Speaker 2>is so great? I think, yeah, I think that's gonna

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 2>be what's great about the show. People will watch it

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and be like, I think that when you're experiencing these

0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.480
<v Speaker 2>things are alone. You're like, this is so unique to me.

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 2>No one else has these strange things that they do,

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 2>and we all have something.

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:56.879
<v Speaker 1>And we all do and we all do, and you

0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.359
<v Speaker 1>do summarize that so well. You know, just before I

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 1>let you go, ask everyone this question on the podcast,

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 1>what's something from behind the scenes, something that you know

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 1>we we won't see as an audience that we might

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:10.480
<v Speaker 1>appreciate as a bit of a behind the scenes tidbit

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>from making this series.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we had there is a Brolga in the show,

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 2>and we had kind of one day. Her name I

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:22.199
<v Speaker 2>think was Hulga the Brolger, and she was kind of

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.959
<v Speaker 2>this and initially it was actually written as a bush turkey,

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.119
<v Speaker 2>but they're very protected. I didn't know this, so we

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:32.400
<v Speaker 2>had to get this vulgarim and she was very temperamental.

0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Would only we thought that maybe she could do more

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.639
<v Speaker 2>than she could and she ate like basically was just

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 2>corn motivated. But they were like, to us, there's only

0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 2>she can only eat a cup of corn and then

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 2>she will be full and then she will no longer

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:50.399
<v Speaker 2>have any motivation to do anything. All of the scenes

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that you see, we I think we may be shot

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 2>in like a couple of hours with this Brolga. Who

0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, she looks stunning in the show, but

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 2>that was just something very funny. And I think in

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.360
<v Speaker 2>all of the seeds she's just eating the corn very obviously.

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.120
<v Speaker 2>But if you read the scripts, they're like, and then

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the Brolga, we'll look at her and make a noise

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 2>and I was very specific, but look, she's still great.

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I thought the Broga was amazing. There's the one scene

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 1>where that she's running outside the house and the Broger

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.639
<v Speaker 1>does something that interacted with her with Vivian very well.

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Now I can't remember what which scene that was.

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 2>She like box at her at one point. We did

0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 2>get some great don't get me wrong. She's beautiful, and

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who can train a Brolger. What they could

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>do with her was insane. But our poor director Lucy

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, can she walk across this.

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 1>Draft or not? Mind you, I can't. I can't do

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 1>a goddamn thing. After I've been fed, once I've had

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>my dinner, I'm done for the day. I'm like, the

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.680
<v Speaker 1>only thing I'm doing is going to bed. So I'm

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 1>with the Broger.

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I know, I like, I didn't blame her good on her.

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 2>It was very funny. And then I think, like she

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 2>had a hotel room. At the end of the day,

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 2>she was really great. She had a priority set.

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Sounds amazing. That's the Broga goes back to the other

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 1>brog of friends and gets to gloat about it. I

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.159
<v Speaker 1>have got to stay in this beautiful Hilton hotel. Actually,

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 1>just another question I was going to ask you, which

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking about this week, was when I first

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 1>heard about the production. I remember hearing that it was

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.919
<v Speaker 1>named something different. Was it called The Great or the

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 1>Brave or it was called The Jump the Jump?

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>But yes, we felt as though it just didn't feel

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 2>right as our title, and I think we needed something

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:35.719
<v Speaker 2>a little bit gentler. So we think totally completely and

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I think totally completely fine actually speaks to the kind

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 2>of thesis of the show in a better way. It's

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of a bunch of people who are really masking

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 2>how they're feeling, and it kind of all it comes

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:48.959
<v Speaker 2>to the surface at the end. And kind of a

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 2>pattern we had with all our consultants, particularly the psychologist

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 2>we spoke to, is that when people normally sit down

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 2>for therapy, it's like, how are you and they're like,

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 2>I am so fine, I'm really good, and then it

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>all come out lowstat.

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I kind of begin to tell you how many times

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>I've accidentally said totally completely fine. I'm totally completely fine

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 1>in emails in conversation over the last week since I

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 1>saw the show. So it's in the vernacular for me. Now.

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>That's good because I always get on these calls and

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 2>things if people are like they accidentally call it everything everywhere,

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 2>all at once, and I'm like, no, fine.

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>You can call it whatever. You're like, it's totally completely fine, Rotell.

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I am obsessed with you. I think i'd love to

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 1>spend a day in your head. I'd love to have

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 1>a drink while I was there, because I think you've

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 1>got some amazing storytelling and some really interesting perspectives. And

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see what other shows you work

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 1>on after this, and I can't wait for people to

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:44.439
<v Speaker 1>watch this series.

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you so much for watching it and for

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 2>taking the time to chat. I hope other people like it.

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm really excited.

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for the chat. I hope people

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 1>because because I just think my biggest concern with this

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>series is people might see it. I mean to me,

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm drawn to it for that reason. But even when

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 1>I was telling people about it, they're like, oh, no,

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 1>that might be a little bit too dark for me,

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, no, it's not. And then with all

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>the questioning that I had for you, you know, while

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about it today, I wanted to make sure

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 1>that it's a fun chat, you know what I mean, Like,

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>we're not getting because we are unpacking things that are

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>totally quite dark, but I want people to see the

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>comedy in it. So hopefully we reflected that in our

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>unpacking life.

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Because I think as we've been

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 2>talking about what we're going to say in interviews and things,

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how can I really get across that people

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.680
<v Speaker 2>aren't just going to be assaulted with darkness for six

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>hours of television because you just can't do that.

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>It's no.

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I think it's it is so much more than a

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 2>show about suicide. You kind of get to the end

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, I mean, that was great, but there's

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 2>more there.

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Because that is the center point. It's interesting that you

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>finish the series. It's so interesting that you finish it

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's not what you're thinking about. You know, you've

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 1>unpacked it and you've digested it and you've struggled with it.

0:28:56.680 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 1>But I have more walked away with my feelings about

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>those three characters and that sibling relationship and how great

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that seemed to come together, and that seems to be

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>more what stays with me and the fun.

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 2>That's how you were thinking about the siblings when it finished.

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's all I could think about was these siblings

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that couldn't And I rang my brother who's older than me,

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and we fight like cats and dogs, but we also,

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, are each other's favorite person at the same time.

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, obviously very strange relationship. But yeah, and I

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>just thought, wow that I said to him, when this

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>show comes out, you've got to watch it, because I

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 1>want to know if you can see the similarities in

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>our relationship.

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>That means a lot that you relate to that it was.

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 2>It was interesting. It was initially a half hour offering,

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>and then the broadcasters were like, we think it makes

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 2>more sense at commercial hour, and so that sibling story

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 2>that was initially really small became such a bigger thing.

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think the show is so much better for that.

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's so rich for it it's so rich for it.

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I think there'll be a lot of people will be

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that. I'm anyone that's got a sibling. We'll

0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>read into all of that stuff which we talked about

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:00.959
<v Speaker 1>in the podcast. You know, we talk about you know

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>that love, the jealousy, and all the things you haven't

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>left behind, you know what I mean?

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I know that you're a very busy person, so

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to let you go, and I just want

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>to say thank you so much for such a fun chat.

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>And I really hope that you have a great time

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 1>with this series and talking about it with lots of people, And.

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. You were the best to talk to.

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I was nervous, so thank you.