Speaker 1: Thursday, here on the pickup with Britt, Laura and Mitch
Speaker 1: head into Chemists warehouse Today. You get great savings every day.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you guys today about the
Speaker 2: original stand documentary that has just come out called Revealed
Speaker 2: Daniel Ladley Two Tribes Now. It's a documentary that looks
Speaker 2: at Daniel Laidley's two worlds colliding. And when I say
Speaker 2: two worlds, that's in reference to the two tribes in
Speaker 2: the title. This is Danielle's life as an ex AFL
Speaker 2: footage player and a coach, and then it's her other
Speaker 2: world as a transgender woman, and it explores what that
Speaker 2: looks like for her and how those decisions were taken
Speaker 2: away from her drug addiction. It's truly inspiring and incredible
Speaker 2: and this is a piece of the documentary.
Speaker 3: The AFL is always is to go football and I
Speaker 3: think you want to hear about me. Today is the
Speaker 3: first time that I've represented both my tribes. Former North
Speaker 3: Melbourne football coach Dean Lately, I've been charged through drug possession.
Speaker 4: Photographs take it at this until the police station have
Speaker 4: gone viral.
Speaker 3: I've got a phone call. Dad's been arrested. I hated
Speaker 3: who I was all.
Speaker 2: The decisions that you've made have not been good ones.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really knew what Danny went through.
Speaker 2: We actually have Danielle with us today.
Speaker 3: Hi, Danielle. Hi, Danielle, Hi, by getting how are you?
Speaker 4: Oh, we're so well Danielle even just listening to that
Speaker 4: the shorts for the stand the documentary, like how do
Speaker 4: you feel when you hear that back?
Speaker 3: I'm okay. Now. When we were going through the filming
Speaker 3: the first edit, Nora and I watched it together and
Speaker 3: within ninety seconds were very, very emotional, and we basically
Speaker 3: cried through the whole the whole film. But now we've
Speaker 3: watched it, I don't know, maybe ten times because we
Speaker 3: had to watch it through all the different edits. Now
Speaker 3: we can sort of watch it quite objectively. We're really
Speaker 3: proud of the final package. We've been now able to
Speaker 3: tell our story in our own words, because the narrative,
Speaker 3: you know, when it very first became public was not good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of false things said, there was
Speaker 3: a lot of innuendo, and that was, you know, probably
Speaker 3: the main reason why we wanted to make the film
Speaker 3: so we could tell our story in our words.
Speaker 1: Daniel I think for a bit of context as well,
Speaker 1: you played one hundred and fifty one games for men's
Speaker 1: AFL West Coast Eagles and North Melbourne football clubs. And
Speaker 1: I think the story is so important that now as
Speaker 1: a transgender woman, that coming out of that reveal was
Speaker 1: completely taken from your hands. You had no power in that.
Speaker 1: And if you don't mind speaking to how that happened,
Speaker 1: I think it's in the documentary. It is really powerful.
Speaker 1: But if you can speak to what happened in that situation,
Speaker 1: I think that is so important to hear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going through a pretty bad time at
Speaker 3: in my life. You know, I'd never touched drugs or
Speaker 3: anything like that, and was introduced from a relationship that
Speaker 3: I was in and it got really bad. I still
Speaker 3: hadn't been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and eventually it just
Speaker 3: came out one day when I was seeing my counselor
Speaker 3: at the time, you know, I got diagnosed with a
Speaker 3: gender psyche and hindocrinologists and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 3: and we were starting to plan a strategy of Okay,
Speaker 3: how do we get the family together, how do we
Speaker 3: tell friends? So we put a strategy in that we
Speaker 3: were going to approach the AFL, but unfortunately that was
Speaker 3: taken away when I was outed by the Victoria police.
Speaker 3: You know, I got arrested, and it was a fun enough.
Speaker 3: It was me who rang the police and said I'm
Speaker 3: breaking the intervention order because I was just at such
Speaker 3: a low point. I didn't know what to do. My
Speaker 3: drug use was spiraling. I just had been diagnosed with
Speaker 3: gina dysphoria. Went stood out in front of my property
Speaker 3: and called them and they came and arrested me, which
Speaker 3: was a bad decision on top of a few others
Speaker 3: that I'd made. You would think the Victoria police would
Speaker 3: show some care and empathy and go through the legalities
Speaker 3: of what had happened. But to have police members take
Speaker 3: photos of me, take my phone, take photos off my phone.
Speaker 3: It was very public, so all those plans that we
Speaker 3: were starting to put in place. The AFL family friends
Speaker 3: found out about it when you did, when they saw
Speaker 3: it in the paper.
Speaker 1: We are talking to her former AFL grade, Danielle Ladley,
Speaker 1: who you may have seen this has recently start in
Speaker 1: her own stand original documentary series all about her life,
Speaker 1: her career, and her incredible story of going from AFL
Speaker 1: football grade to her life now as a transgender woman.
Speaker 4: Was there any consequence for the police who were at
Speaker 4: fault here? How did that process end up?
Speaker 3: There was about forty odd who got charged internally with
Speaker 3: something called disgusting behavior, and then is that.
Speaker 2: The actual term?
Speaker 4: Danielle?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't even know that that was something you
Speaker 2: could be charged with. When was it that you knew
Speaker 2: you felt different?
Speaker 3: The very first time it happened to me, I was probably.
Speaker 5: Six years of age, and there were wow, literally hundreds
Speaker 5: of things going through my childhood and then early teens
Speaker 5: and having depression and anxiety.
Speaker 3: I didn't know why I was feeling this way, filing
Speaker 3: back delays over the last six or seven years, I
Speaker 3: can now label that as little Danielle. In times when
Speaker 3: it was speaking, she wanted attention, she wanted love, she
Speaker 3: wanted affection, she wanted all that sort of stuff. And
Speaker 3: the one thing that I've learned is you can't outrun
Speaker 3: gender dysphoria. As I got a little bit older and
Speaker 3: the Internet comes along and I was able to meet
Speaker 3: people and talk to people, it started to become clearer.
Speaker 2: It must have been nice to have that revelation and
Speaker 2: be like, Wow, I'm not actually alone, like there are
Speaker 2: other people that are going through what I'm going through
Speaker 2: totally well.
Speaker 1: That I mean that is watching this doco. That is
Speaker 1: couldn't be more clearer, the two worlds colliding. Stay there, Danielle.
Speaker 1: We want to delve more into your second part of
Speaker 1: your life, your time as a transgender woman and being
Speaker 1: part of the lgbt QAA plus community. More with Danielle
Speaker 1: after this on the Pickup. We're back right around Australia.
Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. It is the pick Up. We've brit Laura
Speaker 1: and Mitch head into chemist Warehouse today great savings every
Speaker 1: day joining us. Now we're back with Danielle Lady. It's
Speaker 1: on Stan the new Stand. Original docer revealed Danielle Lady
Speaker 1: Two Tribes. We've just been talking to Danielle. This is
Speaker 1: an incredible story, right Laura.
Speaker 4: It really is. And daniel how did the AFL and
Speaker 4: also your own family respond to finding out that you
Speaker 4: were not being able to live authentically.
Speaker 3: It's caused a lot of grief with the in our
Speaker 3: family of how it came out, and we're still on
Speaker 3: some fronts working through that. The AFL having lived in fear,
Speaker 3: the shame, and embarrassment of what perhaps people would think
Speaker 3: of me. From the CEO of the AFL, Gilma Blocklin,
Speaker 3: to you know, people I coach, people I played with,
Speaker 3: the wider football community have been so supportive and caring
Speaker 3: and everything I've literally had in the last oh we
Speaker 3: can a bit now, thousands of messages thank you for
Speaker 3: telling your story. The next most important thing was showing
Speaker 3: what we went through for families. I'm hoping that that
Speaker 3: it's a real education piece for a lot of people.
Speaker 3: It from all walks of life.
Speaker 1: Danielle, as someone who identifies as gay myself, I have
Speaker 1: the exact same feelings about my sexuality. I had them
Speaker 1: at a similar age, and it pales in comparison to yours,
Speaker 1: and sexuality and gender are different. But we have so
Speaker 1: many parents listening at the pickup right now, I just
Speaker 1: I want to ask you and give you the opportunity
Speaker 1: to maybe offer some advice on how potentially parents can
Speaker 1: deal with their children's gender dysphoria potentially and their kids,
Speaker 1: and maybe even explaining what gender dysphoria is.
Speaker 3: No, gender dysphoria is how you feel on the inside
Speaker 3: is not congruent with what is portrayed on the outside.
Speaker 3: That's where the dysphoria comes. That's where the wrestle comes in.
Speaker 3: To any parent or to any teenager, the best thing
Speaker 3: to do is to be able to talk about your
Speaker 3: feelings and then as a family, whichever member it is,
Speaker 3: seek some professional help. There's some great facilities and resources
Speaker 3: out there now. As a transgender person, I've been dealing
Speaker 3: with this my whole life. Others around me, some have
Speaker 3: known for seven or eight years when I very first
Speaker 3: started to live my life as myself, just not in
Speaker 3: front of my kids or at my place of work.
Speaker 3: It's a big change and it's only new for them.
Speaker 3: So as transgender people too, we need to be patient
Speaker 3: with all those around us.
Speaker 1: This is the pickup. We're talking to former AFL Great
Speaker 1: Daniel Lady, who was recently starting a stand original documentary
Speaker 1: all about her time as at AFL Great and now
Speaker 1: living as a transgender woman.
Speaker 2: I would just love to I know one thing I
Speaker 2: know just a couple of days ago, And excuse my ignorance.
Speaker 2: I'm not an AFL person, but I saw an article
Speaker 2: about one of the AFL players. There was a photo
Speaker 2: that was taken last week. He had just lost the
Speaker 2: match he had his hands over his face and he
Speaker 2: had painted fingernails, and there were so many homophobic comments
Speaker 2: that I saw on that thread about that. It wasn't
Speaker 2: about the game, wasn't about how amazing he played. It
Speaker 2: was about the fact that he had his fingernails crazed.
Speaker 2: And there was a part of me that thought, Wow,
Speaker 2: how are we still having these conversations. Do you see
Speaker 2: the tide turning in society at the moment or are
Speaker 2: you hoping that this documentary is going to really help that.
Speaker 3: I hope the documentary helps that. I think the gay
Speaker 3: and lesbian movement is so far in front being educated
Speaker 3: for many years still though there's a hell of a
Speaker 3: lot of work to do.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: Now, all of a sudden, we have a young footballer
Speaker 3: that wants to paint his nails. Yeah, so what exactly
Speaker 3: he's on that ground because he has a talent at
Speaker 3: an elite sport. What that messaging just in that picture
Speaker 3: says within the four walls of AFL football clubs, people
Speaker 3: can be themselves outside that. It's a societal issue that
Speaker 3: you know, the stuff that you're just talking about, stuff
Speaker 3: that I go through still every day. That's where we've
Speaker 3: got a lot of work.
Speaker 4: To Daniel Thestan documentary. I think it's so beautiful that
Speaker 4: you're able to reclaim your story. And I think that
Speaker 4: this is really going to reframe for people, especially for
Speaker 4: anybody who may have just skimmed over headlines in the
Speaker 4: news or seen something and made up a judgment. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's what we do, right, We see a headline,
Speaker 4: we make a snap judgment. And this is an opportunity
Speaker 4: for you to be able to really share your story
Speaker 4: in your way. And one of the things I think
Speaker 4: is so beautiful about your story is your relationship with Donna.
Speaker 4: How you've been in each other's lives throughout your your
Speaker 4: whole life. It's incredible. And was there ever a time
Speaker 4: in your life where you were maybe surprised because you know,
Speaker 4: society tells you that you're not lovable when you're going
Speaker 4: through this, that somebody is going to stay there and
Speaker 4: love you regardless of who you are or how you present,
Speaker 4: because of the person that you are. Just think it, like,
Speaker 4: it's just such a beautiful part of your story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I suppose the choice was to
Speaker 3: live and be my authentic self. I thought the ramifications
Speaker 3: of that decision rather than leaving this world in a sad,
Speaker 3: sorry state. I'll probably be by myself for the rest
Speaker 3: of my life. And so Donald and I had reconnected,
Speaker 3: but I still hadn't told her. Donald will openly say,
Speaker 3: why can't you just love another person. I'm forever, ever
Speaker 3: grateful for that and the reality with our relationship, I
Speaker 3: can be myself. It's beautiful, best version of myself. And
Speaker 3: so CONDI. Yeah, we have a lot of fun. We're
Speaker 3: basically inseparable. We do everything together, you know. We live
Speaker 3: between Melbourne and Perth and we fly sort of every
Speaker 3: second week, every third week, and I'm grateful.
Speaker 2: Everyone we're all doing our team. This documentary is incredible.
Speaker 2: If you guys are listening to this haven't seen it,
Speaker 2: please go and watch the stand documentary revealed Danielle Lately
Speaker 2: Two Tribes. It's incredible. Thank you for giving us your time.
Speaker 4: You're amazing.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm very grateful to spend some time. Look
Speaker 3: forward to talking in the future.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're back after this. On the pickup