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Speaker 1: the NTIICAC last week released an update on its investigation

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Speaker 1: Commissioner Michael Riches saying that he's been in contact with

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Speaker 1: Good morning to your minister.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Yeah, thank you, good to be back.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 1: The i CAAC is quite confident that these awards bearing

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Speaker 1: the words the most sea like barbecue ever and the

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Speaker 1: man lying face down surrounded by beer cans, came from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously disappointed, but we have to remember it's two

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Speaker 3: the people that were in that organization are the ones

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Speaker 3: going forward. We need to get through the coronial and

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Speaker 3: reassure Territory ends that we're talking about items over twenty

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Speaker 2: What do you think needs to happen?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what needs to happen.

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Speaker 1: Do you think to address what some may see and

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Speaker 3: That's not fair. And they go out every day to

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Speaker 2: Now, look, it's not the only report from the Aykak.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely confident that anything that is done in relation to

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Speaker 3: What I can tell Territorians and my electorate and the

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Speaker 2: Hey, I want to move along.

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Speaker 1: I understand the government's enlisting consultants to help dry communities

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Speaker 3: I don't see this as a takeaway. In a community,

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Speaker 3: it's a community club model where we see health, we

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Speaker 2: How do you use it as a means to get

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Speaker 3: Well, the way that it's open, who can access it?

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Speaker 3: let's get the consultants in that have for example, in

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Speaker 3: Get them to do the al come management plans, Get

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Speaker 3: There's about one hundred that have indicated an interest to

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is now though, Like you guys

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Speaker 1: And I did make that point to Leafanokira, Like I've

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Speaker 3: Well it's and I made a commitment when I took

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Speaker 3: that is working. We see Peppy having club. It's got

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Speaker 1: How big a difference do you reckon it's going to

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Speaker 3: Amount, and it changes the discussion. It takes away the

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Speaker 1: All right, few things I still want to get through.

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Speaker 1: We know there was a large disturbance in our springs

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Speaker 3: doesn't understand the legislation. The reason why there is not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what we could do so you guys made

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Speaker 2: So they couldn't actually call one on the weekend.

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Speaker 1: So was this curfew legislation only an actor for you

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Speaker 3: Well, no, because we've handed the authority to call the

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Speaker 1: I think you could argue we've been distracting everybody last week.

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Speaker 3: No, I think what we found with the lessons learnt

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Speaker 3: We see in New South Wales post the Cronulla Rights

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to move along because we're fast

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Speaker 2: Now. Hey a quick one though, I know that you

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Speaker 1: Yesterday's spreaking a boost to police in the search and

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Speaker 3: Yes, there's an additional four to there, and I think

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Speaker 2: Hey, couple quick ones.

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Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Police Association's pushing for this tax free

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Speaker 3: I've been talking to Nathan Finn for about two months

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Speaker 2: He's already where do you get the money from?

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Speaker 3: Well, from his budget.

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Speaker 1: To dig into what you're already using for operational stuff. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hey Glenn's just message through. He's asking Hey, Katian teams.

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Speaker 3: No they're not. You've got Essay police. No they're not.

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Speaker 3: We've got a rotation from the wider territory into Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: So you're right now in Dahalm, we're short.

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Speaker 1: Brent a big one that people have been messaging us

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Speaker 2: But for two years, So when are they moving there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we haven't been able to get them more

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Speaker 2: And I want to say, like, I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: That I've been pretty clear with the letters of letterbox

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Speaker 3: The difficulty becomes is because it is freehold land that

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Speaker 3: Well, the same thing I say to the business owners

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Speaker 1: Well, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Brent Potter, the Minister for Police, thanks so much for

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Speaker 3: Thanks Gudy