WEBVTT - Three Doting Dads feat. Max Gawn

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<v Speaker 1>Good news.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're listening to this, it means you were joining

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<v Speaker 2>us for a bonus episode of Two Doting Dads. These

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<v Speaker 2>are the episodes where we have a guest that comes

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast, another parent out there to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>us about how they're managing one of the hardest jobs

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. And we're very excited because today we

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<v Speaker 2>have MAXI Gone. I don't know if we can call

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<v Speaker 2>them maxigone. I kind of just I feel like Max

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<v Speaker 2>Gon maxigone. We call them maxigone because we are obviously

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<v Speaker 2>now very good friends. Yeah, best Max Gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Within the inner circle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, some may.

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<v Speaker 2>Say if you're in the inner sanctum with Max Gone,

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<v Speaker 2>you can call him MAXI. For everybody else, please only

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<v Speaker 2>refer to him as Max. But for those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who do not know Max. He is a captain of

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<v Speaker 2>the Melbourne AFL Club. He's also proud dad to George,

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<v Speaker 2>born in October, four weeks after Melbourne's drought breaking premiership

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<v Speaker 2>win in twoenty and twenty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Max is also an ambassad for Lulu Lemon Matthew which

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<v Speaker 4>lul Lemon are, as you know, the leaders in technical

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<v Speaker 4>athletic apparel, but they also have amazing Men's Cash Aware,

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<v Speaker 4>which you can see us head to toe Maxie as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just say thank you so much to you

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<v Speaker 2>me because you have brought this relationship together.

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<v Speaker 4>You went on that Japanese I went to Japan Lemon Stride.

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<v Speaker 2>We have built that friendship where it now extends to

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast and I couldn't be happy because I'm dressed

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<v Speaker 2>head to toe right now in Lulu Lemon and I've

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<v Speaker 2>never felt more beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they are all about meaningful connections, well being in

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<v Speaker 4>the community, bringing people together, Matthew, so a huge thanks

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<v Speaker 4>to them for having us. We're actually situated in their

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<v Speaker 4>office which you'll see on our socials as well, and

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<v Speaker 4>this episod wouldn't be made possible if it wasn't for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Fay, Welcome back, Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'm going to muzzle you.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the professional production.

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<v Speaker 2>Tied under the Table. Welcome back to three doting dads.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Maddie, Jay.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Ash, I'm Max Gorn and today will.

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<v Speaker 2>Be a little bit different because we always say this

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<v Speaker 2>is a podcast about parenting, the good, the bad, the relatable,

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<v Speaker 2>and we always try and make sure that people are

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<v Speaker 2>aware that at no point throughout the podcast. Are we

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<v Speaker 2>going to give any advice? But today very different. Today

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<v Speaker 2>is a different story because we have Max here, and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Max you are, You're like the poster

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<v Speaker 2>child of the AFL and what a dad should look and.

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<v Speaker 1>Behave like Absolutely, I mean I think I'll tackle it

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<v Speaker 1>as a compliment that was intended as a compliment.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, we don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I can go harder.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't push him, don't push to the water that I

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<v Speaker 1>love you. I'm not sure how much? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys watch? I think Tom Hawkin's sort of reeks of

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<v Speaker 1>a good looking dad.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, obviously I'm a father and our playfl so I

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<v Speaker 1>took both those boxes. Got a little two year old

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<v Speaker 1>well closer to Georgie boy George Gone, George Gorne Strong Strong.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great name.

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<v Speaker 1>We liked the whole gg thing and we also liked

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<v Speaker 1>a solid name. Any middle names, Oliver. Yeah, as you

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<v Speaker 1>can see, my wife is a monarchy fan. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you had seen the short list, we've actually got another

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<v Speaker 1>boy on the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh congratulations.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you had have seen the shortlist for names,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very royal with.

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<v Speaker 2>Any that you threw out that Jess your wife said no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>He has not been a king. There is no there's

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<v Speaker 1>no king Michael what the problem is.

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<v Speaker 3>But probably probably be headed a few people.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had some names. I go in and out of names.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more so Jess finds like fifty names and says

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<v Speaker 1>yes all, I'm no to every name, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>one that pops in. I'm like, yeah, you can do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's like with me too, with my eldest is Oscar,

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<v Speaker 4>and every other name I put forward was like nah, no.

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<v Speaker 4>I was the one that I was like, what about

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<v Speaker 4>and I was when she said yeah, I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the whole I know someone with that name.

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<v Speaker 1>I know some George's, but like, I know someone really

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<v Speaker 1>well with that name.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the name that was a hard no?

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<v Speaker 1>That was thrown out by Jess Jess's dream. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't have a girl, but jess as dream was

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<v Speaker 1>the call of first girl, Rosie. Beautiful, beautiful name, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have negative connotations with that name. What happened, well,

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<v Speaker 1>just a few people my primary school.

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<v Speaker 4>Associated with, like primary school, preschool.

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<v Speaker 1>Primary school. I haven't seen the person since, but hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>not a massive listener. Yeah, that just stems from there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then straight away if I called my daughter Rosie,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be thinking of that person from you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>that so and it's her dream to have a daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky we not having a daughter, but well not sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>would love a daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, changed you.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess your son could be a Rosie. It could be.

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<v Speaker 2>You know these names, there's certain Listender's one that could

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<v Speaker 2>kind of go both.

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<v Speaker 1>Ways, potentially could have saved it. And then my boy

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<v Speaker 1>name was Vinnie. Oh that's cool. But then because of

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<v Speaker 1>massive home having Away man growing up, Yeah, it wasn't Vinnie.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the main actor the lifeguard you guys having Away

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<v Speaker 1>was here with Kate Richard.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've never seen an episode. Is that an Australian.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably did a favorit to homework coming into David

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<v Speaker 1>Home and Away wouldn't have been nought about.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just in case every Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, surely not right as you'll never.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring it up.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll never bring up Home in Away. We actually had

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<v Speaker 3>that conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of primary school, what were you like as a youngster?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you someone who got into mischief?

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<v Speaker 1>I've always battled with I mean, this goes into more

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<v Speaker 1>of an adulthood type issue. But I've always battled with

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to be liked type set up. One of my

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<v Speaker 1>greatest values but also a weakness, is my sense of belonging.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoy that. And then you battle with wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be liked, so primary school, I'd lead to primary school.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything stems from just wanting to be liked, wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>not miss out, fomo, all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you try and slot into that role of

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<v Speaker 2>being liked by being the class clown at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly would have gone down that path. I would say

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a majority of my report.

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<v Speaker 4>Cards distracts others easily was.

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<v Speaker 3>Etched into my brain.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's on everyone's yea, even the class

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<v Speaker 1>pets would distract of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to throw it in there. It's just like

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<v Speaker 2>a standard remark.

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<v Speaker 4>You're like ten years old, you know, I don't really

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<v Speaker 4>know any different. Yeah, when did you really hit your

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<v Speaker 4>height statue wise?

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<v Speaker 3>That yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you are closet Yeah just under eleven? Yeah, even six.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I shook my hand when we first met, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just got lost in your grip.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I didn't get that sensation from you, but just time.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a really big hand.

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<v Speaker 4>Matt's one of those guys who's six foot but tells

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<v Speaker 4>everyone he's six too.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's all right, six one, and whole family is

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<v Speaker 1>six foot flat really, and then I'm six ten. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>See what happened either the milkman or so my mum's

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<v Speaker 1>six foot, so that's tall.

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<v Speaker 3>That's tall.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so mum, dad, two brothers, all six foot, big

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<v Speaker 1>family man, big a lot of food.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously those grocery bills must have been a bloody

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<v Speaker 2>night mare.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, now I've gonna have a second boy, and

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<v Speaker 1>I already have a boy, and I'm a big eater.

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<v Speaker 1>So the grocery bills continue in this household. But the

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<v Speaker 1>height lies year twelve, so not till I was I

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<v Speaker 1>was tall. Sorry, I was always tall, but when I

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<v Speaker 1>got to six ten tall yeah, year twelve. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was actually like a bit of a midfielder type set

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<v Speaker 1>up when I was playing football as a young kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Roughly just ballpark. How tall are we talking at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>We're going in like graade eleven, grade twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>I was always in sort of the year eleven, year ten.

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<v Speaker 1>I was always in the one nine so low one nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what that is. Six foot one eighty

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<v Speaker 1>seven is it? So? Maybe like six six to one?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I know this ash so because you're five ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm the tallest in my family though.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just so you guys know.

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<v Speaker 2>Disappointing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I go home and I feel I know it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then year twelve I went to two eight,

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<v Speaker 1>which I am now so wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then did that have like a positive or

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<v Speaker 2>negative effect on your footy?

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<v Speaker 1>Had a negati effect on my body. As you can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine growing that quickly, you're probably gonna something that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to give my knees. My NAEs gave when I was young.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm two nierekos one going into them. Fully, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a certainly not a footy podcast. It's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>on physio podcast. But yeah, I had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>injuries when I was a young kid, and probably from

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<v Speaker 1>that put on a lot of weight real quickly as well,

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<v Speaker 1>which would have put a lot of joints under pressure.

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<v Speaker 3>Did your feet grow really big too?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're still growing.

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<v Speaker 3>How about now?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm a fourteen get out and I'm so long

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<v Speaker 1>stories short. The boot I wore stopped making this type

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<v Speaker 1>of boot, and I got worded up that they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to stop making it, so I bought twelve pairs.

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<v Speaker 1>I brought twelve pairs.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that's when you're in grade twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, this is now. This is now. So I

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<v Speaker 1>brought twelve pairs of this boot and stocked up, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still I'm down to my last pair now. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm playing out there with my list.

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody listening right now, if.

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<v Speaker 2>You knocked on their door and said you couldn't give

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<v Speaker 2>me a size fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I've stoped making them. The issue is, I'm now like

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<v Speaker 1>a fourteen point two. So the boots I'm wearing is

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<v Speaker 1>a bit too small for me, and my feet aren't

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<v Speaker 1>responding great from it. Oh my god, So my foot

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<v Speaker 1>has grown since I first brought these twelve two or

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<v Speaker 1>three years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>You're thirty two, thirty two this year.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're ninety one and thirty two is still growing.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctors said, hey, Maxie, we don't know when this is going.

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<v Speaker 1>To We're looking at the projection.

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<v Speaker 2>Ralph is telling us that if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Lived in ninety my god, your foot's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>about that big.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that, imagine my foot, because fourteen is where it

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<v Speaker 1>stops in terms of shops.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, you got to special shops.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't stop fifteens for some reason. They stop fourteens. So

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<v Speaker 1>I can go in casually to a Chats and expect

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<v Speaker 1>a fourteen to be there. Yeah, but fifteen I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to America.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 4>I suppose like they're probably like, no, look, we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>sell enough of those shoes to actually warrant.

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<v Speaker 3>Making them in putting him in shops.

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<v Speaker 2>I do just want to sit on foot content for

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<v Speaker 2>a bit longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we'll keep it forward. People right now are like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is am the right podcast. Well, George is a six,

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<v Speaker 1>if that helps George, George is six or yeah, six

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<v Speaker 1>or seven? Oh my god, he's gone through a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of pairs of shoes already. Oh my godness, must.

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<v Speaker 2>Be just churning three two wears and they're out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a popular thing in football at the moment. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sharing the rockload with a guy named Brodie Grundy, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're both sort of good rucks in our own right

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<v Speaker 1>that have joined the same team. And I was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there going my son's two, it's about six foot six already.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good chance we're just going me and my

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<v Speaker 1>son rather than going all that effort to get Brodie

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<v Speaker 1>into Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, has there been a father son matchup on a team,

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<v Speaker 2>and like it's been close modern day era close, but

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<v Speaker 2>the Sun didn't end up being talented enough to make it.

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<v Speaker 1>No pressure, George.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they later just owned him.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're grade twelve, You've got this huge gross but

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a few injuries at this point. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that, hey, a real career for me is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be afl or is it more just a sport

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<v Speaker 2>that you're enjoying at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly enjoying. All My maides played footy. My parents are

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<v Speaker 1>kiwe So I didn't have much footy, didn't play like

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<v Speaker 1>the real junior stuff. Actually played rugby union as a junior.

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<v Speaker 1>Found out I didn't like tackling, so it probably wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the sport for me. And then yeah, footy came into it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I worked out I was relatively talented at it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then injuries hit in the around gear twelve exams

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<v Speaker 1>and schoolies and all sorts of stuff. I love how

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<v Speaker 1>schoolies is on par with your twelve exams. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>got drafted the day before. Oh but I was paid

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<v Speaker 1>ready to go, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can't.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no time to like celebrate.

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<v Speaker 1>Training the next day. Oh my god, drafted. Didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>where your club?

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<v Speaker 3>They probably do that so that you don't go.

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<v Speaker 1>All that simple reason why yourself up? Were a Barron

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<v Speaker 1>crew that I was Barron. How did the boys react

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<v Speaker 1>to Well, they all came over draft night, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was relatively confident Draft knight. I had a few people

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<v Speaker 1>there would have been miserable night if that didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Would have been as up then.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they took off to schools and I took

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<v Speaker 1>off to training.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I always had a sneaky feeling in the

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<v Speaker 1>round that year twelve year that football was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be go for me. I was still relatively good at school.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a mathematician almost like I was really good at Mass.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't test me right now, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just about to whip.

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<v Speaker 1>Name. So I always had that to fall back on.

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<v Speaker 4>And who opened you up to the world of.

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<v Speaker 1>AFL certainly friends. My dad, even though now he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>he is responsible, knows his way around a football field,

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<v Speaker 1>but he does it was friends. It was around fourteen fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I dare say so I was a sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>late blooey in that sense. I always loved it. Though

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<v Speaker 1>my whole family didn't really watch football, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching it at home. I'm the Australian born in the family,

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of all Kiwi born.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you the youngest?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Youngest of how many three?

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<v Speaker 3>Three?

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, around fifteen, getting serious around seventeen. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>been at the same football club since i was seven een. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in Melbourne that whole oil.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you got drafted in your first year, how

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<v Speaker 2>did you find that change of lifestyle?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot. So the best way to put this

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<v Speaker 1>is private school kids tend to get a better chance

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<v Speaker 1>of getting drafted. And if you look through the AFL,

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent of private school.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because they get more attention, there's more funding.

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<v Speaker 1>And the talented kids tend to get if they're talented

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<v Speaker 1>at fifteen, they get a scholarship. So they're usually private school.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm from a public school with a family that

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<v Speaker 1>don't know football, and I get drafted to a place

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<v Speaker 1>that I had no idea how to act, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a famous story that you two probably haven't come across.

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<v Speaker 1>In my feik. I caught having a cigarette on the

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<v Speaker 1>way to train.

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, what were you just walking in the car

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<v Speaker 3>so winning?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know the monast Freeway? No, so there's a

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<v Speaker 1>freeway that goes we training Cramban, which is forty minutes away.

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<v Speaker 1>And I live in the city. Most people do. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I was driving down to Crambern and I just

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<v Speaker 1>this is me at seventeen. This is how professional I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I was. I just lit up a dart on

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<v Speaker 1>the way down to training, thinking no one else would

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<v Speaker 1>be on the freeway at the same time. Were you

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<v Speaker 1>craving a hitting nicotine? Or I had a deck left

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<v Speaker 1>in the car from the night before. I drove some

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<v Speaker 1>of my mates out right, so I didn't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I probably had brought a deck or two, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that was My deck of cigarettes was

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<v Speaker 1>a PJ Gold if that helps. And yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought no one would be on the I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what I was thinking. And Carl Cheney, a teammate of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>was on the road next to me, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see him, so imagine what he's seen. Because I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>tried to hide or anything. He's probably just living my

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<v Speaker 1>best life.

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<v Speaker 3>Down.

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<v Speaker 2>At least you went drinking at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I didn't get to that. I wasn't drinking

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he like a senior play or no?

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<v Speaker 1>But his best mate was the captain And then the

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<v Speaker 1>captain found out And then I remember having this is

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<v Speaker 1>in my fourth week or something. At least your group

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<v Speaker 1>was nine people semi circle me in the middle and

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<v Speaker 1>they start and they set me up. It's Brett Maloney

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<v Speaker 1>was sharp, right, goes, have you been doing whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to because whatever it takes was our motto. You've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing whatever it takes. He's got to remember I've

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<v Speaker 1>had the dart thinking of just me only I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I had to dart.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your first answer?

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<v Speaker 1>I said yes, I said yep, with a confident ye confident.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet it was then and then another team I went

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<v Speaker 1>straight away and said, so you weren't having a dart

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<v Speaker 1>on the way to training. I said, Jesus yes, And

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<v Speaker 1>then I blamed it on my family. I just was

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<v Speaker 1>in a rabbit hole and I'm like, how do I

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<v Speaker 1>get out of? And I said mom and dad addicted

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<v Speaker 1>like they've never had a dart in my life. My

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<v Speaker 1>mom and dad are addicted to smoking. I was late

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<v Speaker 1>eleven times in my first three months. I just like

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<v Speaker 1>I was late to school a lot and just flew on.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that because you just were bad with time or

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't taking it?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably a bit of both. Probably a bit bad with time,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I haven't been late since my first year, So

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever got installed in me in that first year,

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<v Speaker 1>I've then gone completely the other way and rocking up.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys saw me today, I was here literally two

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<v Speaker 1>hours earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>I can imagine that you probably wouldn't be captain. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I was still smoking darts.

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<v Speaker 3>On the way.

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<v Speaker 1>So the transformation I had to grow. I had to

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<v Speaker 1>become an adult quicker than all my mates. I dare

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<v Speaker 1>say some of them are thirty one and still not

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<v Speaker 1>quite there. And I had to do it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>in a year. It was hard. I was seventeen when

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<v Speaker 1>I first got there, had really bad professional standards. I

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<v Speaker 1>was injured, so it wasn't football.

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<v Speaker 2>Because your first acl and we won't talk too much

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<v Speaker 2>about your injuries, but just really quickly, when was that?

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<v Speaker 1>How old? When I was seventeen?

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<v Speaker 2>And so in those moments where you know an ACL

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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty serious as bad as it gets. Really mentally,

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<v Speaker 2>where are you at with that injury? Is it just

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<v Speaker 2>a case of well, I'll just recover as quick as

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<v Speaker 2>I can and get back on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time you get drafted as a childhood dream.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was halfway through my retail when I got drafted,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I'm like, how good life? Ime drafted? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, have to train and I get to play

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<v Speaker 1>for Melbourn Football Club. Get the salary I'm getting, And

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<v Speaker 1>that was pretty cool. The second one I struggled a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>That was when I was twenty and I'd been in

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<v Speaker 1>the system for a couple of years. And the thing

0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that actually got me through was so like Pitcher, being

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<v Speaker 1>in the gym by yourself, doing a really hard bark

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<v Speaker 1>ride or something like that by yourself. In football world,

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<v Speaker 1>that's seen as like a lonely, lonely place. But I

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<v Speaker 1>would have been doing that at five am before I worked,

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<v Speaker 1>if I wasn't playing football. But I'm getting paid to

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<v Speaker 1>do it at nine o'clock in a state of the

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<v Speaker 1>art facility. Yeah, that's what got me through a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I was young, I would hate to be injured. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I would hate to do an aco now.

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<v Speaker 2>You think it helped having an injury so.

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<v Speaker 1>Young, certainly it made me grow up quicker. The biggest

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<v Speaker 1>issue I had when I first got to the club

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<v Speaker 1>was how to be myself. Like I really struggled with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I had this picture of the person they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>me to be, and I felt like the way I

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<v Speaker 1>was acting, I was going the other way. And all

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<v Speaker 1>the conversations that I had about me as a person

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<v Speaker 1>was all about changing that person and becoming this person.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like what I've eventually done is just clean

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<v Speaker 1>to this person up a tiny bit. But for a

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<v Speaker 1>while there, I was like trying to full change and

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<v Speaker 1>like I didn't I didn't know myself didn't really have

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<v Speaker 1>a good stance in the football club.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think was the turning point that allowed

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<v Speaker 2>you to be more comfortable in your own skin.

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<v Speaker 1>It's mentors and leaders and it's just getting yourself around

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<v Speaker 1>the right ones. I'm not sure if you guys had heard,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably would have. He's a living legend. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>living anymore, but he's a legend. Is Jim Stein's. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And he started the Reach Foundation, which is actually just

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<v Speaker 1>around the corner from where we're recording today, and he

0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.600
<v Speaker 1>was our club president, and that's extremely lucky to have

0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.600
<v Speaker 1>a guy like that being the club president. I walked

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<v Speaker 1>in and he was the one the whole time, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing, Like he's had such a strength in adolescence

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<v Speaker 1>now and you look back, he go, wow, he was

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<v Speaker 1>so good with me. My draft, my boyer pick one,

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<v Speaker 1>pick two, pick ten, pick eighteen all in our team

0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and I was picked fifty or something, so I was down.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like the sixth guy. No one was really

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<v Speaker 1>that interested in me. I was having a dart and

0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Jim Steins randomly goes, I like this guy because he

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<v Speaker 1>could tell that I was a different cat, and he

0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:41.800
<v Speaker 1>just kept me on that wagon the whole time. Every

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.080
<v Speaker 1>time he saw me doing something that he thought wasn't me,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, come on, man, just do that. Just do that.

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<v Speaker 1>The Max corn Way, like the hardest thing to do

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<v Speaker 1>is to go out there on the MCAG in front

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<v Speaker 1>of ninety thousand and play football. Imagine trying to play

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<v Speaker 1>football and not be Max Gorn at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to be someone else. Yeah, Like it just

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<v Speaker 1>seems like looking back I'm my Why was I trying

0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.479
<v Speaker 1>to do that for so long and it's now I'm captain.

0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 1>It allows me to know eighteen year olds are rocking

0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.400
<v Speaker 1>up in all different shapes and sizes, with all different backgrounds.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting kids from the middle of Australia, bottom of Tasmania,

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<v Speaker 1>private public school when they come in and I just

0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.280
<v Speaker 1>know they're going to be different and the best way

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<v Speaker 1>for them to finally win a premiership is to be themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good mess. It goes into fatherhood as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we're touch on that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, going to a footag club with those sort

0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.960
<v Speaker 4>of thoughts about yourself, do they provide anywhere for you

0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.520
<v Speaker 4>to go to seek support, like other than just picking

0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.000
<v Speaker 4>out the mentors that you want to be around.

0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Do they physically or do they have you.

0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.320
<v Speaker 4>Know, people there that can support you through that sort

0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:39.760
<v Speaker 4>of stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly not old school football. So when I got drafted,

0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.399
<v Speaker 1>men's mental health wasn't a thing. I was sort of

0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.280
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine where it

0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.399
<v Speaker 1>was almost just starting, but we had no one in

0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.359
<v Speaker 1>that role and it was still the football club was

0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.840
<v Speaker 1>a place for banter, which is a shocking word, And

0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean there still is a bit of laughter around

0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.159
<v Speaker 1>FOOTB club and that would be a bad place to

0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.280
<v Speaker 1>be if there wasn't. But nowadays it's just such a

0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 1>different vibe in not just football clubs, in my circle

0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.400
<v Speaker 1>of friends. Yeah, which I think is a great thing

0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.920
<v Speaker 1>that mental health has come a long way. But yeah,

0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.320
<v Speaker 1>when I first started, it was you'll be this guy

0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:18.159
<v Speaker 1>or you're out of the system.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, okay, so there was no like, you'll be this guy.

0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.240
<v Speaker 4>But if you're not that guy, we can help you

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 4>become that guy unless you, like you said, you picked

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.480
<v Speaker 4>your mentors, because there would be so many young guys,

0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, vulnerable young guys as well, going through the

0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.680
<v Speaker 4>system that have been drafted and put into your position

0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:35.400
<v Speaker 4>and then falling short.

0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Because they don't have the mentor all the support.

0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.159
<v Speaker 4>So it's good to know like now of football clubs

0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.879
<v Speaker 4>like well, we recognize that men's mental health is super important,

0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.520
<v Speaker 4>and you know, they've got a place for you to

0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:47.800
<v Speaker 4>go and sometimes rediscover yourself.

0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very it's very strong now. If you were

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a football got drafted and you were struggling talent wise,

0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:56.240
<v Speaker 1>you'd be at the bottom of the pile. The amounts

0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of bad news, bad press, the coaches, the stuff you'd

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.240
<v Speaker 1>begin every day. Now it's look, there's some stuff you'd

0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.320
<v Speaker 1>work on. We're going to work as you as a person,

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's a much better place to be society wise.

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because a lot of the time, like when people

0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.120
<v Speaker 4>are having slumps in their form, it can be mentally

0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 4>unless they're coming back from a really big injury.

0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's so much correlation between being and a

0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:17.440
<v Speaker 1>happy place and playing good.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Maxie, this might be a stupid question, Okay, trap

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 2>yourself in. I do not ask it anyway. I'm assuming

0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 2>that the club must know a lot of your movements.

0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:30.040
<v Speaker 2>There must be just, you know, total conversation and clarity

0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.320
<v Speaker 2>between what you're doing in life and the club's aware

0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 2>of that. Do you have to go to them and

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.720
<v Speaker 2>say I'm thinking about trying to start a family or

0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:39.919
<v Speaker 2>can you just say like, hey.

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.320
<v Speaker 3>Good news, guys, well haven't you had one soon turn around?

0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.399
<v Speaker 3>Can we watch? That would be weird.

0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:49.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, No, I didn't tell them. I do

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:53.280
<v Speaker 1>wonder that question myself because with the growing of women's sports,

0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.879
<v Speaker 1>especially AFL debut, I feel like that might be a

0:22:55.920 --> 0:23:00.400
<v Speaker 1>conversation that sometimes would have to happen in that landscape. Obviously,

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.200
<v Speaker 1>with the paternity leave, you don't.

0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Have to say, hey, guys, can I have a kid

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:07.639
<v Speaker 2>and a concentration?

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I just thought no questions, but that one.

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.000
<v Speaker 2>No one is knowing what impact it could have. It's

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 2>such a disruption to routine.

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:18.720
<v Speaker 4>Especially then paying you like an X amount of money

0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 4>to complete a contract and then you just don't know

0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:22.959
<v Speaker 4>what's going to happen during that time anyway.

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.879
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of support they go straight to

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.920
<v Speaker 1>rather than what you can't do, it's you do whatever

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you want to do and then we'll support you either way.

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's amazing.

0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 2>So then in terms of announcing your pregnancy, what was

0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.480
<v Speaker 2>the hierarchy the list of people that you went through.

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, we've just done it all again. So it's here

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.720
<v Speaker 1>we go. It's quite an exciting little We haven't done

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the socials yet.

0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:47.600
<v Speaker 3>We're getting there before the societ.

0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll try and beat this podcast.

0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 5>Maybe too late, get me out on the phone, will

0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.639
<v Speaker 5>you do like a little a little shoot.

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps I don't I'm not big on the socials, and

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm certainly not big on the same socials that a

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of other people do. I might do like a

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 1>little subtle one, but everyone who needs to know knows.

0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:11.120
<v Speaker 1>So what you guys, you're in the need to.

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:16.680
<v Speaker 4>Know, Yes, all I've on the inner circle.

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but certainly the first time, as you guys can

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 1>probably remember it, it's an amazing moment when you finally

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.119
<v Speaker 1>find out you're pregnant. There's obviously, I can't believe how

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 1>many different hoops there are to work out you can

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 1>finally tell someone, Like there's the first pregnancy tests where

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 1>only you and your wife really know. Then there's the

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 1>first scan where only you and your wife and maybe

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you can tell one extra. Yeah, Then there's until you

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:40.880
<v Speaker 1>get to I think it's like eighteen weeks or twenty weeks.

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Even twelve weeks.

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Now twelve weeks is like tell your family and then

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty years tell the world, because that's kind of not

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 1>in the clear.

0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 2>But it's a good place to be if you're all

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 2>good at eighteen weeks.

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:52.160
<v Speaker 4>And as a bloke, you don't want to tell people

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 4>that your wife hasn't already told. Yep, I remember doing that,

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 4>pissed one.

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Night when you have a few times.

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Jimmy, I'm having a kid.

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 1>But in terms of football, club. We have this it's

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.879
<v Speaker 1>called a weekly Wrap. Every Friday afternoon, we all freestyle battle.

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>We have the whole, the whole football club get in

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the room and we do like a presentation about how

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>good the week was. Compliment this guy, Compliment this guy,

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I got really good, Fiel good to go on a Friday.

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:21.880
<v Speaker 1>And there's always been like a baby like if there's

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>someone's having a baby, there's a baby news like section,

0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 1>like they do like the baby news and they do

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 1>like a spinning baby and then put someone's head on

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>the baby of whose baby it is. And I've always

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.880
<v Speaker 1>wanted to announce that way. So the second child, I've

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>done that.

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty clever, right.

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>So the whole that's an easier way to tell.

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 3>You more than one person having a baby.

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:39.880
<v Speaker 1>That then the next page, maybe.

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>That's good.

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 2>When you had George, he's in Jess's tummy at this point,

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 2>did you do the math and think, oh, that's pretty

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 2>close to the Grand Final?

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we were awfully close. Oh sorry, awful the

0:25:55.000 --> 0:26:02.360
<v Speaker 1>bad way to describe that. No, so there was sort

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 1>of our second or third time of trying, so the

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>dates don't really matter at that point, although the first

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 1>two times of try, and we weren't really sure on

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>how to try, so it really was our first time

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 1>of trying properly. We nailed it using bad words and

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 1>nailed it's bad.

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 4>Get the inside scoop on your Sex Live.

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 1>But then obviously you do the mass and you go well.

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>We weren't expected to make a Grand final in twenty

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty one as well, but you do the mass and

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>go okay. Sort of are in around those first weeks

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 1>of October. If COVID comes around, I could push it

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>back a tiny bit as well, and then it works

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>out that we actually in Perth for the Grand Final,

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 1>so we're away for five weeks.

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:45.119
<v Speaker 2>And suggests at this point not with you, Shah.

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.159
<v Speaker 1>As you can imagine, the WA government was pretty strong

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>on who can get over the border.

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 4>And in your third try, Mester you can't travel anyway.

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 1>And she was at thirty to thirty five. I think

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I missed out on so wow.

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Was there a conversation of let's say if it happened

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.439
<v Speaker 2>the day before the Grand Final, like what do you do?

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:07.439
<v Speaker 1>There was we chatted. I had a pretty good reply.

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 2>I think, go on, he'll be the judge of that.

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I never played in a Grand Final and I've been

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 1>and I've been upset. I've been played forty since I

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 1>was fourteen.

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 4>I've never been to that part one time.

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I've been playing forty since I was fourteen. That's what

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 1>seventeen years of trying to get to a Grand Final.

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Jess and I made Georgie in five minutes, So like

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>if you're way up five minutes versus seventeen genuine.

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Good length of time.

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I'll more reference into this, But no, look, if it

0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 1>honestly was about we did have someone so Nathan Nathan

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Jones is our club legend, three hundred games, multiple Best

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>and Fairs. He was just on the fringe unfortunately of

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the Grand Final. So he was the first emergency and

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>he was having his third and fourth child, he was

0:27:57.720 --> 0:27:59.919
<v Speaker 1>having twins, and once he worked out he wasn't in

0:27:59.920 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the Grand Final team, he had a big discussion and

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>they said, look, which is massive football world, we weren't

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>going to play our legend. You're not going to get

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 1>a game. He left Perth and went and got the

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>twins Berth and got there by the skin of his teeth,

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.880
<v Speaker 1>got there by an hour ago, which was three days

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>before the Grand Final. Silver lining, I guess yeah, well,

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean magical moment for him. If he made the team,

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>that would have been an all different different conversation himself

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>because he was three hundred games without playing the grand

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 1>final for the one club club.

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Legend grand final was played was one. You then come

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 2>back to Melbourne.

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I managed to get three or four days in Perth

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>which was nice. Yes, let me have the mad Monday

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>and whatnot over in Perth celebration. So I got home

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>on a Thursday and the game was a Saturday.

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 4>Hang on, how many days is that?

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>It was good?

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 3>He said, Monday? Your Monday is.

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>It was a good campaign. And then we had sort

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>of two or three weeks. So she went to the

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>full forty. But there was obviously the chance you could

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>come in that earlier period, but we went to the

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>full forty.

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Matthew, I've got a new dad goal.

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, what is it?

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 3>I want to get better at golf.

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I'm going to stop you right there because

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 2>there's one small problem. I know for a fact that

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you can't play golf very well.

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 4>Well, I want to at least look good, okay whilst

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 4>doing it. And if your dad wants to look good

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 4>on the golf course even if he can't play golf.

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel like all dads want to look good.

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Let's be yes.

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 4>But if he wants to know if he's not good

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 4>at it, but he's still looking good, then he could

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 4>potentially still be at his optimum performance.

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I sometimes go to golf courses and I don't actually

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 2>have a hit.

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 3>A ball, it walk around.

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I just walk around looking good.

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And that's what this is about.

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 4>So if you want your dad to look good, we

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 4>are running an awesome competition. Head over to our socials

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 4>two doting dads, drop us a follow and tag your

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:51.640
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0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.480
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0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>So we are making father's day dreams come true. Imagine

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>on Father's Day handing over that gift card to your father. Oh,

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 2>it'd go down well, wouldn't it.

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 4>And imagine being the child that actually allowed your dad

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 4>to achieve his dad goal level up his game.

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Can I just say one thing before we get back

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>into the episode with Maxie.

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Ash, when you feel.

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Your best, you'll perform.

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 2>At your best.

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Write that down right, That is great?

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>That is that is quote I've quote some advice for you.

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 4>You go, okay, if you believe it, then it's not

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 4>a lie.

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Drop in the bombs of wisdom.

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0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 2>on and off the golf course. Now let's get back

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 2>into the episode for the birth. Did you have any

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 2>set role going into that that you had to play side?

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Music?

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Music man was mine?

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Was there a specific song that was to be It

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a double song.

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't know the actually and their cats and.

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>It was the Melbourne theme. So I was as most

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 1>of us probably, I was the hype man. I was

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the support guy. Wasn't doing a great job, Bili, Well,

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Jess got the best of both worlds. She had an

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>eleven hour labor and then they realized the head was

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>never coming out, so then the emergency C section.

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Guilty.

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the first four or five hours, as you

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 1>can both imagine, there's not much going on an eleven

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>hour labor.

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of like in between contractions and then.

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you do feel useless. Yeah, but look, it's not

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 3>about us, is it.

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Also, there's a lot of people who listen to the

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 2>podcast who don't have kids, And before I had kids,

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was like a really quick process, like

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the water breaks are in there, like fifteen minutes later. Hey,

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 2>the kids arrived, it's a bit slower.

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 3>I told his wife to push harder.

0:31:55.280 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, don't believe him. I'm not that stupid. That is mistakes,

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>but not that one. Yeah, well I couldn't say that

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>because pushing harder was damaging the process with the So

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I was actually hold on, which is what you wanted

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to hear, did you?

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Guys? Obviously, like an emergency c section is not part

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>of the birth plan.

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>But I'm so glad I got to live that out.

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>That's a cool experience as well, not for Jess. Horrible

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>experience for Jess. But this is arian Yeah, just a

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>great taling story from a dad's point of view as well. So, yeah,

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>labors happened. I'm not sure if Jess is give me

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>the green light to give all these sorts of details,

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 1>but hey, the blue bibs come out. That's when you

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>know it's done, be a bit serious. Obviously, the first

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>few pushes didn't work. Heads too big. I thought that

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>was the obstraction's role in the first place, to let

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>us know the head was going to be too big.

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Obviously, not he was too long.

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Did I say that apologies.

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Should be I actually were friends who are obtrition, So

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>he's very I'll clear that up. And then it all

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>started happening, like we're ten hours of not much into

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 1>like now ten minutes of everyone running around the room.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I just said, I'll put these on, so I'll put

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>them on. The scrubs didn't have shoes.

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 3>That fit.

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<v Speaker 1>On.

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Remember if you were you're blue blue.

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>And everyone's running into it. And then I'm not allowed

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>in the theater obviously while it's all happening because of

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>COVID or, I don't know, you're assuming.

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 3>You're in it. So there's the theater, you're in that

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>separate room.

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 1>And I was even in like a little waiting room

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>outside of that, I was in the corridor. So I'm

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>just sitting in a waiting room knowing something BIG's happening

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>in there, which is an interesting experience. And no one's

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>in the wait No one's in the corridor, everyone's in

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the room.

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 3>It's a nighttime.

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>It was nighttime by then. We checked in at am

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>and nighttime by then.

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>So then how do they how do they announce to you?

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Eventually? Just the door opens? Would you like to come in? Max?

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, like I come in.

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 3>They called you in afterwards.

0:33:56.280 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Afterwards, so the baby was the actually no, yeah, you're right. Yeah,

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>the baby was on its way out.

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And they call you in. You're up and then

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 3>they drop the curtain.

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and put them back up. The midwife goes, what

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 1>song would you like? And I'm like, well, this is

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 1>my moment, and I still asked Jess, I said, just

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>which one we are? But I knew which one, so

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 1>that was bad by me. I should have just gone

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 1>straight to thed. So the song was on and then

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:24.479
<v Speaker 1>the midwife was great, she's I give us your phones

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 1>so I can take photos. So the photos are gruesome.

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure if you got photos. Yeah, both of

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 3>mine were the sections got photos from.

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they're great to look back on. Do you

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 1>go back and have us, Well, they're a great party

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>trick for those that want to. You can really like

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 1>you're like.

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 4>I got photos like oh yeah.

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:46.879
<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, so then that all happened, and then

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I find the best bit is from now so the

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>baby's out. We didn't know what sex. And it took

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>a while, like the way the obstrations was holding the baby.

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 4>It's like covering everything, covering.

0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>The good parts for a bit there, and then it

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>was just like open. It's okay, yeah, yeah, there's no

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>confusing that that is. That's definitely And then the cutting

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>of the cord, which is one of the great myths.

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 3>I didn't do it.

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:08.919
<v Speaker 2>Please tell me how yours.

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>The cord has been cut, and I go over to

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a part fifteen meters away from Jess, so obviously not

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>still attached, and cut another bit of an already cut cord.

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 1>But I get there's the novelty. But I'm bigger than that.

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't need to do it.

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's trick this guy to do they offer it to you.

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they said we do have to cut the cord.

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, yeah, cool, how call is this? And

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>then we go obviously way too far away from my wife. Yeah,

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure how long they said, not anyone's so

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>it's already been cut. And then I cut an extra

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 1>bit of a cut bit.

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they probably don't want to give the non professional

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 4>a really important.

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 3>Job to cut.

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Imagine how many have got botched you to me, was

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.800
<v Speaker 2>in a c section for looks at my wife with Marley,

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.880
<v Speaker 2>who's my first and the obstetrician said a bit of

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>chaos because there's everything going on. And I got handed

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the scissors and they said would you like to cut?

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.439
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't really want to go down that and

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I prefer to stat with Laura holding her hand. And

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 2>I first I said no, thank you, and then he

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 2>was like, no, come on, and I said no, thank you.

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 1>For peer pressure, a little bit of pressure. Laura was like,

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>just do it.

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And so then I'm cutting this umbilical cord, which kind

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>of is similar to Calamari.

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 1>I guess, quite well done. Calamario didn't enjoy it.

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm glad I had a taste of cutting,

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>not the Klamari.

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 3>A surgeon.

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Like, I'm looking back at the experience of me over

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 1>there in the corner by myself cutting the cord again

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the photo, Oh did that really need to be done.

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>What happens from then is like there's a little bit

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>of family time, which is great, but then Jess is

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 1>extremely unwell. So I've taken the baby and I'm in

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 1>a room by myself. A nurse initially comes in with

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>me and says, here's the baby, put him on the skin.

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 1>The nurse then leaves the room the midwife because she

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 1>needs to go back into Jess. And I'm in a

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>room with George and newborn by myself with no nurses

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a good half an hour, and I've not read the

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 1>baby books. Yeah, no one reads, so obviously they're not

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>much can go wrong because they've trusted me with holding

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.240
<v Speaker 1>the baby for half an hour. But that's a pretty

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>daunting half an hour. And I got my phone out

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and thinking I've got to text someone to let them know.

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.280
<v Speaker 1>But I couldn't say, you know, not Mum and Bubba,

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Well that's always the song. I couldn't confidently say mum

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>as well, I hadn't seen her.

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 3>I hadn't seen her.

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So I text my mum and said born

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 1>so and so, don't tell anyone because Jess is still

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>in theaters. I told my parents I couldn't tell Jess.

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Were you worried about Jess or were they were? They

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of saying she's going to be okay.

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Was there reassurance it's going to be okay, but yeah,

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.399
<v Speaker 1>it's still slightly worried, Like, yeah, it's a pretty big

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't imagine that moment. I've had a keyhole a

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>c L. I don't think that compares to.

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 4>Maybe come out of it, and probably not like I

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.720
<v Speaker 4>had a similar thing. So like they've given me oscar

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 4>and go on, here you go, put me in a room,

0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 4>and I like, thankfully I had my father in law,

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.399
<v Speaker 4>my mother in law there, But even for me at

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:05.800
<v Speaker 4>that moment when April's my wife is still in surgery,

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what's happening, felt like forever and I've

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.879
<v Speaker 4>got this all of a sudden, I've got the responsibility

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 4>of another life just like that, and it's all on

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:19.799
<v Speaker 4>me really, so preparation, feeling, feeling, picking up what you're

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 4>putting down.

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Just and I know when I tell that story in

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>front of Jess, jeez, sorry to hear you had to

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>spend half. But I feel like on a dad podcast,

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a lot of people would agree that

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 1>that is a very And then the whole first night

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>because Jess is obviously out of it for the whole

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 1>first night in and out of sleep. You're almost hands

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 1>on for the first night. I feel like the first

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 1>night is the most daunty night for both parents absolute,

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>so to be the one that's hands on the most.

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I was on a fault out bed, which was hilarious.

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>As you can imagine with my height, I could have

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 1>been on two. I have to clarify, you're not actually twelve.

0:38:56.400 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 4>Foot gurglings going to twelve foot close and then it's

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:03.359
<v Speaker 4>still very tall.

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.919
<v Speaker 1>Six year tennis, six for tennis. Yeah, nine and a half. Yeah,

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 1>not ideal, not ideal of the hospital, but especially fouled out,

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.399
<v Speaker 1>So that that whole first experience was pretty cool.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 3>In that first half hour, you like, get holding it right.

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>You forget everything that you have sort of red or

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 1>prepped yourself on or and you go, okay, I didn't

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>know how to swaddle, but all of a sudden, now

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>there's an actual human life baby and me, and it's moving.

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to swaddle. And then nappies and

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that first poo is interesting.

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like sharco.

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't think that's healthy.

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.359
<v Speaker 4>It's a good sign though, it is a good sign. Yeah,

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 4>good come out scream. It's one of the checklists clears out.

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 3>All of the I'm not a doctor, you know more

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 3>than me, I seem to know.

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the big checklists to move on to

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 1>the next day.

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the the recovery for Jess after that, obviously they

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 4>can't drive for so long.

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 3>Was it off seat, It was just was just after.

0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.040
<v Speaker 4>It was really lucky that you weren't you probably we

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 4>weren't off at training over that time.

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 1>She actually did really well. She recovered really well. She's

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:08.800
<v Speaker 1>actually physio who specializes in maternity, so she knew everything

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:10.760
<v Speaker 1>that was happening to her body at all points.

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 3>It's always handy always.

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 2>How did you guys find those first few months. What

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>were some of the things that you found really easy

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 2>and what were the things that you struggled with.

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 1>We were in COVID, so the family was certainly something

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 1>we struggled with. No family in the hospital, were there

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 1>for three days and then two days at a hotel

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>for two days and no family there, and then no

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 1>family went once we got back home. Still the harder

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 1>COVID for us, well, very luckily we're located in the

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>morning to Peninsula, which is an hour south from here

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.399
<v Speaker 1>coast Slime a beautiful part of the world, and that's

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.399
<v Speaker 1>where we'd been living for a little bit. So we're

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>in a great place to go for walks and experience

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the outdoors. It does everyone. It sort of made us

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>all happy in a way, being surrounded by nature and

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. But yeah, so she recovered really well,

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 1>So I don't have any real bad stories about that

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of two or three.

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sleeping, sleeping, how was that initially shocked to the system?

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 1>You two might hate me post this, but we've almost

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 1>had a seven or seven sleeper from the day Dot

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>get out, Max, no one to hear it.

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 3>If I could overpower you, I.

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Would obviously early on he's waking up for feeds. But

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:23.800
<v Speaker 1>we haven't had a bad sleep.

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 3>That's so great. Well, look forward to the next one.

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.439
<v Speaker 2>We just tell you there's always there's always a good

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 2>one and a tricky one.

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:33.439
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're not going to say bad.

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was like, choose my words very carefully because

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Marley was good. Lola, my gosh, one of the hardest

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 2>moments of my entire life. She just slept no more

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>than thirty minutes, So, ok, just prepare yourself for that

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.440
<v Speaker 2>lower your expectations of what sleep is going to be

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 2>like for.

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Number two, Well, we were, yeah, like the other day,

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 1>he's almost two and we still did the baby monitor

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>at the moment just because he's too far away from

0:41:56.120 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>our room. Must be nice. Sorry, he's down for levels

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 1>No one, you're gonna hear him. And he made a

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.880
<v Speaker 1>noise the other night. We're like, what is that like?

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 1>It was so foreign to us. Came out he must

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 1>be dying. But he's made a noise in the middle

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:17.800
<v Speaker 1>of the night. Yeah, so we're very lucky in that space.

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 1>He's also been a very good eater, which has been good.

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I know eating can be an issue, especially bottles early on,

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 1>but no, he's been a very good eater. So we've

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 1>we've sort of lucked out in a way with this

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 1>with this kid.

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Are there any similarities in how you captain the forty

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:33.720
<v Speaker 2>side versus how you dad?

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 1>George a little bit go on the interesting bit, and

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm interested you've probably interviewed a lot of people that

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 1>have older kids. Yes, So we're trying to shape our

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>young kids as much as we can, and then at

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 1>some point they're allowed to shape themselves. And I'd love

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>to know that transformation because at the moment, I'm just

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to teach all the values in every shape and

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I know if I do one thing wrong, now, this

0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>kid could end up being something at eighteen that two

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:00.879
<v Speaker 1>one one too.

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:03.879
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe not a two.

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:06.320
<v Speaker 1>But that's the mindset.

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 4>Very early years is that, yeah, we've got four year old.

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 4>So when George gets to sort of three and four,

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.839
<v Speaker 4>that's when you'll be like instill those values you get

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 4>into when you can talk back to you and all

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 4>that sort of stuff.

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.439
<v Speaker 1>But then at some point, like in a football club,

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 1>like I was saying at the start, you want them

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:22.840
<v Speaker 1>to be themselves. Yeah, that's going to be a cool transformation.

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing that's ten years away. But there is similarities to.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 2>The footy boys are You're like, come here, that's one

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.880
<v Speaker 2>minute warning, chance to have a super water right now,

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 2>finish it all.

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:34.640
<v Speaker 1>We actually we got an older group of players. So

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 1>we've got ten to fifteen kids. Wow, which is a

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.400
<v Speaker 1>lot in around our football club. You guys must be

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 1>like daddy daycare time creation. Now what there is a

0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 1>creation of the game.

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 4>You just lock them in the middle of the mcg

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.080
<v Speaker 4>on the grass and I can't do any damage there.

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.919
<v Speaker 1>So there's lots of kids, they're all friends, they all

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>know each other. Well. Well, I mean we went through

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:56.439
<v Speaker 1>a harbor. I didn't have a child in the harbor

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 1>we went through in twenty twenty. There was four months

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>in Queensland. Yeah, we had ten to fifteen kids there

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 1>having the time of their life, seeing people every day.

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 1>It was probably great for their social skills. I'm not

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:08.959
<v Speaker 1>sure what you guys were like before you had kids,

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>but I might remember.

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 3>I went to school, he sick.

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Partied every night. But I was like that guy was like, yeah, cool,

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I hilf have a kid. Maybe play a card. I'm

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>not picking him up or helping you feed him, or

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 1>like when you're saying, oh, look at this cute kid

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 1>of mine, I'm only cool. But now I'm the guy like,

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>how are you not finding my son? What he's doing

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.360
<v Speaker 1>right now? He's playing to his cards by himself. That

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 1>is cute. Why you're finding that?

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 4>Look he's pretending he's How do you not say?

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 3>I get what you mean?

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:43.719
<v Speaker 1>And I also think my kid's the cutest, which I'm

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>all absolutely, we all do.

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 2>George is very adorable.

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:48.439
<v Speaker 1>Have you said that's all the way to and guests.

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:53.240
<v Speaker 1>So yes, yeah, to tell the guest.

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 3>That child, Look, you're going to be the first guest

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 3>for your child, is fix it coming on the podcast.

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it'll go down that well.

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 1>We've always good sleeping and good eating. He has got

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:08.839
<v Speaker 1>a trait that we struggle with a lot, and he's

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 1>incredibly introbuted. I'm not sure who he gets that from

0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>because we're I feel like we're both on the extroverted side.

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:19.319
<v Speaker 1>But he struggles at daycare, struggles at separation, struggles with

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>other kids, struggles with leaving the house, shruggles when new

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:23.799
<v Speaker 1>people come to the house. So there's a lot of

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:27.320
<v Speaker 1>pressure there. But apart from that, yeah, we feel like we've.

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Breakstart a little bit too.

0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 4>They don't really know any different, And I mean, my

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 4>eldest is kind of like that. My youngest is the

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 4>complete opposite. I see him struggling in moments that I

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 4>know for me, I would have never struggled him like now,

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 4>you can't shut me up. For him, he'll be like

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.479
<v Speaker 4>really in his shell. So yeah, it's sometimes it's tough

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:46.680
<v Speaker 4>to like watch it.

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 2>They change as well. Lola, who's my youngest, hated me

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:53.839
<v Speaker 2>for the first year and a half of her life.

0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 2>I did not I would want to give her a

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 2>cuddle and just always wanted mum, nobody else, didn't want

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.280
<v Speaker 2>to interact with people who are you in the household

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 2>like Marley, who's my eldest, did that. Marley would just

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.440
<v Speaker 2>run to anyone. And I kind of thought to myself

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 2>as well, like I guess she's just going to be

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 2>a bit more of a shy child. And then she

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 2>hit two and she just like almost within a week,

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>just changed and just with this personality just came out

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 2>of her.

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 1>We do feel like the daycare part will help. The

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 1>first hour of daycare dropping him.

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:23.919
<v Speaker 3>Off, it's tough.

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just back on the foota club, Like are they

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:30.160
<v Speaker 4>really flexible if you need to step away or if

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 4>Jess is sick and kids sick because it happens, going

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:35.360
<v Speaker 4>to get this and they're like, you're like, look, I

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 4>can't come to trains day calling sick.

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 3>Do they ask you for a doctor's note?

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Or are they like, look, you do you that's flexible

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and bring a kid to work day if it's an issue.

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 1>We have no single fathers there currently, but we have

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:48.919
<v Speaker 1>in the past and it's certainly been there's been kids

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 1>in and around the football club, and to be fair,

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:54.919
<v Speaker 1>it's one of the better jobs to be a dad.

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.320
<v Speaker 1>A lot of time off. We get twelve weeks a

0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 1>year off as well at the end of the season.

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.919
<v Speaker 1>That's great and we have obviously a good steady cash flow.

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 1>So it's a great job to be a dad. That's

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 1>probably why people do have kids. Yeah, while there've been

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:08.280
<v Speaker 1>a footballer.

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Mack, I've got to ask you for any parents, specifically

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.880
<v Speaker 2>dads who are listening, what would be your one bit

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 2>of advice for how they can make life easier for

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:18.800
<v Speaker 2>their partners.

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.479
<v Speaker 1>So this could come across as selfish, but I feel

0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 1>like in the long run, if you've got a very

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 1>good relationship with your family, it makes sense. And it

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>stems from how I spoke about the start, about being

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:31.799
<v Speaker 1>the best version of yourself. If I come home from

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 1>a bad day of training and I walk straight into

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 1>the house, I'm potentially going to get into screen time.

0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to give George my best version of me,

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:41.319
<v Speaker 1>and then it's just not going to be a great night.

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>So I got into a routine and still do it

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.839
<v Speaker 1>where I have a sort of fifteen minute my own

0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>time post training, and when I live down the coast,

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:52.319
<v Speaker 1>which has just changed. I've just moved back up. I'd

0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 1>go on the ocean, so I drive home andybe a

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.239
<v Speaker 1>fifty minute drive home, and right at the end we

0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>live near the beach. I jump in the ocean and

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:00.440
<v Speaker 1>sit there and do a bit of mine in the

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 1>ocean for ten minutes, and then I'd come home and bang,

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.319
<v Speaker 1>my phone's not even anywhere near me. I'm the best

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.239
<v Speaker 1>version of Max. George is loving me. Jess is getting

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 1>some time away from George, and I felt like that's something.

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.320
<v Speaker 1>It's selfish that I Jess would also love to go

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 1>to the beach, I'm sure and ship into the water.

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 1>But I felt like that was the best version of

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:21.319
<v Speaker 1>me coming out and I still do it now I'm

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 1>not in the beach. I've got a sauna at home. Again,

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:24.120
<v Speaker 1>must be nice. But I've got a sauna at home,

0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and that's something I can do. Just a little bit

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.439
<v Speaker 1>of mindfulness different times. Doesn't have to be a full,

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 1>big activity. I can literally just put the headphones in

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 1>and listen to a mindful or happen and do it

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:32.440
<v Speaker 1>that way.

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Who's taught you this?

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Where did this come from? I'm always battling to be present.

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:38.879
<v Speaker 1>I feel like present Max is the best version of Max,

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:40.799
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like that's the same with every single

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>person in the world. So I know the being present

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:45.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna you can see it when you're not present

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>with your kids. They're sitting playing the cars next to

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 1>you and you're on your phone or you're watching sport

0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:49.879
<v Speaker 1>on TV.

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:51.120
<v Speaker 3>And that's just exactly like me.

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you go to sleep that night and go

0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get great George time, today, did I? Yeah?

0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 4>And I catch myself doing it too, where I'm like,

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 4>I've been on my phone all day with email as well,

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 4>is it kindy or make?

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 3>Is it kindy?

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.920
<v Speaker 4>And now they're home and I'm still doing the same thing.

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 3>So I have caught myself a lot.

0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.160
<v Speaker 1>If you mix that with I've been out till five

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:13.839
<v Speaker 1>for the whole day, so I've got a Like I said,

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:15.359
<v Speaker 1>he's a great sleeper, so I've got a two hour

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.879
<v Speaker 1>window before he's asleep, Like why not making an hour

0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 1>and forty window and have twenty minutes to make that

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:24.919
<v Speaker 1>the best hour and forty rather than a mediocre two hours. Yeah,

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.239
<v Speaker 1>And Jess is fully supportive, but that she also gets

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:29.319
<v Speaker 1>time to do her thing as well and make sure

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 1>she's a physios So she loves pilarates, so she goes

0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>and does pilarates a lot, and that's her mind forulness,

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and that works for us. Two kids might be a

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 1>different story. I might not be allowed to do that.

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I might. Yeah, fifteen minutes turns into seven as long,

0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:46.359
<v Speaker 1>it's still something. I feel like I might be able

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:49.240
<v Speaker 1>to get something out of that, even when they're both asleep,

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:53.000
<v Speaker 1>potentially using that period to clear your mind. But it's

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 1>something that works, so it certainly worked for me.

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:57.840
<v Speaker 4>Since having it, do you find that you're more aware

0:49:57.880 --> 0:49:59.920
<v Speaker 4>of your health both mental physical?

0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:04.439
<v Speaker 1>You certainly notice not being present? Yeah, a lot more.

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel like without a kid, I could have sat

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and watched a whole Ashes cricket day on the couch

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and not even yeah where if you watched four overs

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and going, oh no, I haven't spoken to George, you

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<v Speaker 1>sort of pick up on it real quickly. We're both

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<v Speaker 1>well aware of how we are emotionally. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>big debates about having a child was we both love

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<v Speaker 1>our lives a lot, and I feel like that is

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 1>a big debate when having a child. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to start a family now or do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>continue this love of life that you're having. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to travel? Do you want to do all the

0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:38.399
<v Speaker 1>things you have? And we were why not do both

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:40.719
<v Speaker 1>type situations? We should be able to do both. Let's

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:43.320
<v Speaker 1>see you again. That is lightly differently, just slightly differently

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<v Speaker 1>instead of when we went to we went to Europe

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<v Speaker 1>instead of going out and Malati, we're having dinner at

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<v Speaker 1>four point thirty when everyone else is having breakfast.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we're both fully aware of how we are

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 1>emotionally and this is very good with that. She tells

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 1>me to my face when she when she needs some

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<v Speaker 1>time or some communication. Good communication.

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 3>And your relationship with Lulu Lemon. You've been with them

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<v Speaker 3>for three years now, correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>How many of the boys hit you up for freaking well?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is one of the big things of

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.839
<v Speaker 1>Lula Lemon is that's such a great brand that how

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 1>many people actually knew they do great male clothing. It's

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:26.680
<v Speaker 1>actually unbelievable, and I'm had to do. I'm had to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>If I may give you a compliment, you look delicious.

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Color is real.

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 1>But never really responded to a partnership. Again, a lot

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 1>of cool little partnerships been in the position I'm in.

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I've never really responded to a partnership like Lulu Lemon.

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<v Speaker 2>Also goes without saying that you're an incredible athlete, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think from talking with you an incredible dad. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's no surprise that you're one of their ambassadors.

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<v Speaker 4>Well yeah, and that was that was me, That was genuine.

0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:57.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting further.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not a rosy better dad as well

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:04.359
<v Speaker 1>as we all know, there is a lot of times

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not present, so that's why I do that stuff

0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to make sure I am. But it has been a

0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:10.799
<v Speaker 1>wonderful journey. Obviously, two is going to rock my world

0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:13.360
<v Speaker 1>by the sounds of things, and then when you're out numbered,

0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:16.560
<v Speaker 1>if you go down the three path, you're two and done.

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:18.279
<v Speaker 1>I want to be two and done. But the fact

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<v Speaker 1>there's no girl yet makes me feel like Jess is

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<v Speaker 1>going to push for a third.

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Opposite, I'm two girls looking at a third in the

0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:26.959
<v Speaker 2>hope that maybe I'll get a board.

0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.400
<v Speaker 1>There's apparently a diet you can go on that puts

0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 1>you in the boy category.

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 3>You've got to penetrate deeper.

0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I have a small penis penetrate. Well, we've actually got

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>a strong, strong, strong formula of during this season, if

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 1>you have sex, you can see a girl, and if

0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:53.399
<v Speaker 1>you have sex in the off season, you have a boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on what reason, I'm guessing tests levels maybe so.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably not going to apply for you.

0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:03.680
<v Speaker 1>You could go into a strenuous training program. Yeah, okay, no,

0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:05.960
<v Speaker 1>but then that means girl, so go less training.

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<v Speaker 3>Get that like me?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I just need to spend more weekends with

0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that less training.

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<v Speaker 1>Chance a boy.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got one of these the boys crazy like exactly

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:21.279
<v Speaker 4>like I was as a child and is now picks

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 4>up on everything I do, which is both great and annoying.

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 4>And then I've got a little girl who has completely

0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.640
<v Speaker 4>changed me. I've softened up, believe it or not. And yeah,

0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.480
<v Speaker 4>like it's a totally different experience. I think, like you

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 4>definitely parent them differently. Macy's can do no wrong, but

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:37.399
<v Speaker 4>I just I can do everything wrong.

0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:41.959
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I'll keep that in mind when when.

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:43.640
<v Speaker 3>You go for the third if you never know you

0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:45.320
<v Speaker 3>might have to go down the line, you might.

0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Just boy boy boy, I'm one of three boys. So yeah, okay, right,

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:51.920
<v Speaker 1>you're getting my mom's one of four. My mum's so

0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 1>she's not a boy, but she just got three brothers,

0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and my dad's one of four boys. There's a lot

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 1>of boys. Max.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, thank you so so much for

0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:03.040
<v Speaker 2>talking with us today. It's been an absolute delight.

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me in totally.

0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:07.880
<v Speaker 4>I picked up the mindfulness thing for me from you is.

0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Be wary of bringing it up the first time with

0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:10.440
<v Speaker 1>your partner.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she'd be like, where have you been for fifteen? Max?

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Gorne told me I've got a float around.

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Don't take your surfboard. That's where it starts to be

0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>She goes out of the garage and she counts, make

0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.440
<v Speaker 4>sure they're still all there. But yeah, thank you so

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 4>much for jumping chatting with us. Thank you to a

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 4>little element for allowing this to happen, of course.

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 2>And also good luck for the rest of the seasons.

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Points in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how many weeks now.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we We're five to go with a game on Sunday.

0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Obviously not sure when you're going to get this all together,

0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:45.080
<v Speaker 1>so that could be outdated.

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:46.760
<v Speaker 3>But we're talking probably mid August.

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 1>The finals are coming.

0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Like anyway, I'm looking forward to the Grand Final.

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully we've won the last three games, but we just

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:56.640
<v Speaker 1>skipped over.

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<v Speaker 4>Where you situated for you're still not a bad place.

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a top or of the double chance and

0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:04.239
<v Speaker 1>we're sitting in fourth where two games clear of fifth

0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:05.759
<v Speaker 1>at the moment. It will be interesting to see how

0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:06.640
<v Speaker 1>these ages.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we go though, one last mention that if you

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:11.440
<v Speaker 2>have enjoyed this podcast or any of the episodes that

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:13.640
<v Speaker 2>we put out, we would absolutely love it. And if

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:15.600
<v Speaker 2>you go us a review five stars, Maxie, if you

0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 2>were to review us, how many stars would you give?

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<v Speaker 1>Three and a half.

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:23.320
<v Speaker 4>Beautiful honesty, it's all of your cringey compliments.

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Now we're going home and putting in how do you

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:27.360
<v Speaker 1>do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Ideally Apple podcasts, Apple podcasts, you can give just five stars.

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 2>You can also like the Krem de la Crem review

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<v Speaker 2>would be five stars. You can pass me off phone

0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:40.319
<v Speaker 2>and I can do it for you, just to make sure,

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and just a few comment could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Any loved episode nineteen, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would be the dream.

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<v Speaker 2>And if there's any other doting dads or doting mums

0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.360
<v Speaker 2>that you would love for us to speak to the podcast,

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:55.640
<v Speaker 2>please make those suggestions. At two doting dads on Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>and on that note, Max, it's been a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. Cheers the att