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Speaker 1: Good news.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening to this, it means you were joining

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Speaker 2: us for a bonus episode of Two Doting Dads. These

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Speaker 2: are the episodes where we have a guest that comes

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Speaker 2: on the podcast, another parent out there to talk to

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Speaker 2: us about how they're managing one of the hardest jobs

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Speaker 2: in the world. And we're very excited because today we

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Speaker 2: have MAXI Gone. I don't know if we can call

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Speaker 2: them maxigone. I kind of just I feel like Max

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Speaker 2: Gon maxigone. We call them maxigone because we are obviously

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Speaker 2: now very good friends. Yeah, best Max Gone.

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Speaker 3: Within the inner circle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, some may.

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Speaker 2: Say if you're in the inner sanctum with Max Gone,

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Speaker 2: you can call him MAXI. For everybody else, please only

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Speaker 2: refer to him as Max. But for those of you

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Speaker 2: who do not know Max. He is a captain of

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Speaker 2: the Melbourne AFL Club. He's also proud dad to George,

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Speaker 2: born in October, four weeks after Melbourne's drought breaking premiership

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Speaker 2: win in twoenty and twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Max is also an ambassad for Lulu Lemon Matthew which

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Speaker 4: lul Lemon are, as you know, the leaders in technical

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Speaker 4: athletic apparel, but they also have amazing Men's Cash Aware,

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Speaker 4: which you can see us head to toe Maxie as well.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say thank you so much to you

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Speaker 2: me because you have brought this relationship together.

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Speaker 4: You went on that Japanese I went to Japan Lemon Stride.

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Speaker 2: We have built that friendship where it now extends to

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Speaker 2: the podcast and I couldn't be happy because I'm dressed

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Speaker 2: head to toe right now in Lulu Lemon and I've

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Speaker 2: never felt more beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Well, they are all about meaningful connections, well being in

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Speaker 4: the community, bringing people together, Matthew, so a huge thanks

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Speaker 4: to them for having us. We're actually situated in their

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Speaker 4: office which you'll see on our socials as well, and

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Speaker 4: this episod wouldn't be made possible if it wasn't for them.

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Speaker 2: Fay, Welcome back, Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm going to muzzle you.

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Speaker 3: This is the professional production.

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Speaker 2: Tied under the Table. Welcome back to three doting dads.

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Speaker 2: I am Maddie, Jay.

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Speaker 3: I'm Ash, I'm Max Gorn and today will.

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Speaker 2: Be a little bit different because we always say this

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Speaker 2: is a podcast about parenting, the good, the bad, the relatable,

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Speaker 2: and we always try and make sure that people are

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Speaker 2: aware that at no point throughout the podcast. Are we

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Speaker 2: going to give any advice? But today very different. Today

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Speaker 2: is a different story because we have Max here, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like Max you are, You're like the poster

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Speaker 2: child of the AFL and what a dad should look and.

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Speaker 1: Behave like Absolutely, I mean I think I'll tackle it

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Speaker 1: as a compliment that was intended as a compliment.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: I can go harder.

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Speaker 1: Don't push him, don't push to the water that I

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Speaker 1: love you. I'm not sure how much? What do you

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Speaker 1: guys watch? I think Tom Hawkin's sort of reeks of

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Speaker 1: a good looking dad.

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Speaker 4: He's not here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, obviously I'm a father and our playfl so I

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Speaker 1: took both those boxes. Got a little two year old

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Speaker 1: well closer to Georgie boy George Gone, George Gorne Strong Strong.

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Speaker 3: That's a great name.

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Speaker 1: We liked the whole gg thing and we also liked

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Speaker 1: a solid name. Any middle names, Oliver. Yeah, as you

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Speaker 1: can see, my wife is a monarchy fan. And if

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Speaker 1: you had seen the short list, we've actually got another

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Speaker 1: boy on the way.

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Speaker 1: And if you had have seen the shortlist for names,

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Speaker 1: it's very royal with.

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Speaker 2: Any that you threw out that Jess your wife said no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: He has not been a king. There is no there's

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Speaker 1: no king Michael what the problem is.

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Speaker 3: But probably probably be headed a few people.

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Speaker 1: I've had some names. I go in and out of names.

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Speaker 1: I'm more so Jess finds like fifty names and says

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Speaker 1: I don't like the whole I know someone with that name.

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Speaker 1: That was thrown out by Jess Jess's dream. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the call of first girl, Rosie. Beautiful, beautiful name, but

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Speaker 1: And then straight away if I called my daughter Rosie,

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Speaker 1: Ways, potentially could have saved it. And then my boy

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Speaker 2: Were you someone who got into mischief?

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Speaker 1: I've always battled with I mean, this goes into more

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Speaker 4: You're like ten years old, you know, I don't really

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Speaker 1: Because you are closet Yeah just under eleven? Yeah, even six.

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Speaker 2: I shook my hand when we first met, and I

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Speaker 4: Matt's one of those guys who's six foot but tells

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, now I've gonna have a second boy, and

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Speaker 1: I already have a boy, and I'm a big eater.

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Speaker 2: We're going in like graade eleven, grade twelve.

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Speaker 1: I was always in sort of the year eleven, year ten.

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Speaker 3: That's just so you guys know.

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Speaker 3: How about now?

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Speaker 1: So I'm a fourteen get out and I'm so long

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Speaker 1: going to stop making it, so I bought twelve pairs.

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Speaker 1: I brought twelve pairs.

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Speaker 2: Of that's when you're in grade twelve.

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Speaker 1: No, no, this is now. This is now. So I

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Speaker 1: brought twelve pairs of this boot and stocked up, and

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Speaker 1: I'm playing out there with my list.

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Speaker 3: Anybody listening right now, if.

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Speaker 2: You knocked on their door and said you couldn't give

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Speaker 1: I've stoped making them. The issue is, I'm now like

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Speaker 1: responding great from it. Oh my god, So my foot

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Speaker 1: has grown since I first brought these twelve two or

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Speaker 3: You're thirty two, thirty two this year.

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Speaker 4: So you're ninety one and thirty two is still growing.

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Speaker 2: Doctors said, hey, Maxie, we don't know when this is going.

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Speaker 2: At least you went drinking at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Because your first acl and we won't talk too much

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Speaker 1: I feel like what I've eventually done is just clean

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Speaker 2: What do you think was the turning point that allowed

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Speaker 1: It's mentors and leaders and it's just getting yourself around

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Speaker 1: it's amazing, Like he's had such a strength in adolescence

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Speaker 1: and I was picked fifty or something, so I was down.

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00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: I was like the sixth guy. No one was really

445
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 1: that interested in me. I was having a dart and

446
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,639
Speaker 1: Jim Steins randomly goes, I like this guy because he

447
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 1: could tell that I was a different cat, and he

448
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 1: just kept me on that wagon the whole time. Every

449
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 1: time he saw me doing something that he thought wasn't me,

450
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 1: He's like, come on, man, just do that. Just do that.

451
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,479
Speaker 1: The Max corn Way, like the hardest thing to do

452
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 1: is to go out there on the MCAG in front

453
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,920
Speaker 1: of ninety thousand and play football. Imagine trying to play

454
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 1: football and not be Max Gorn at the same time

455
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to be someone else. Yeah, Like it just

456
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,120
Speaker 1: seems like looking back I'm my Why was I trying

457
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,479
Speaker 1: to do that for so long and it's now I'm captain.

458
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 1: It allows me to know eighteen year olds are rocking

459
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 1: up in all different shapes and sizes, with all different backgrounds.

460
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 1: We're getting kids from the middle of Australia, bottom of Tasmania,

461
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,679
Speaker 1: private public school when they come in and I just

462
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: know they're going to be different and the best way

463
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 1: for them to finally win a premiership is to be themselves.

464
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,679
Speaker 1: It's a good mess. It goes into fatherhood as well.

465
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're touch on that.

466
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 4: You know, going to a footag club with those sort

467
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 4: of thoughts about yourself, do they provide anywhere for you

468
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 4: to go to seek support, like other than just picking

469
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 4: out the mentors that you want to be around.

470
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Speaker 3: Do they physically or do they have you.

471
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 4: Know, people there that can support you through that sort

472
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 4: of stuff?

473
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Speaker 1: Certainly not old school football. So when I got drafted,

474
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 1: men's mental health wasn't a thing. I was sort of

475
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine where it

476
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 1: was almost just starting, but we had no one in

477
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 1: that role and it was still the football club was

478
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: a place for banter, which is a shocking word, And

479
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean there still is a bit of laughter around

480
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 1: FOOTB club and that would be a bad place to

481
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: be if there wasn't. But nowadays it's just such a

482
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: different vibe in not just football clubs, in my circle

483
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 1: of friends. Yeah, which I think is a great thing

484
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 1: that mental health has come a long way. But yeah,

485
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: when I first started, it was you'll be this guy

486
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 1: or you're out of the system.

487
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, so there was no like, you'll be this guy.

488
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 4: But if you're not that guy, we can help you

489
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 4: become that guy unless you, like you said, you picked

490
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 4: your mentors, because there would be so many young guys,

491
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 4: you know, vulnerable young guys as well, going through the

492
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 4: system that have been drafted and put into your position

493
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 4: and then falling short.

494
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: Because they don't have the mentor all the support.

495
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 4: So it's good to know like now of football clubs

496
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 4: like well, we recognize that men's mental health is super important,

497
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 4: and you know, they've got a place for you to

498
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 4: go and sometimes rediscover yourself.

499
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very it's very strong now. If you were

500
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: a football got drafted and you were struggling talent wise,

501
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: you'd be at the bottom of the pile. The amounts

502
00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: of bad news, bad press, the coaches, the stuff you'd

503
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: begin every day. Now it's look, there's some stuff you'd

504
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: work on. We're going to work as you as a person,

505
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: and it's a much better place to be society wise.

506
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, because a lot of the time, like when people

507
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 4: are having slumps in their form, it can be mentally

508
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 4: unless they're coming back from a really big injury.

509
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much correlation between being and a

510
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: happy place and playing good.

511
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Maxie, this might be a stupid question, Okay, trap

512
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: yourself in. I do not ask it anyway. I'm assuming

513
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: that the club must know a lot of your movements.

514
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: There must be just, you know, total conversation and clarity

515
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: between what you're doing in life and the club's aware

516
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: of that. Do you have to go to them and

517
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: say I'm thinking about trying to start a family or

518
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: can you just say like, hey.

519
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: Good news, guys, well haven't you had one soon turn around?

520
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 3: Can we watch? That would be weird.

521
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I didn't tell them. I do

522
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: wonder that question myself because with the growing of women's sports,

523
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: especially AFL debut, I feel like that might be a

524
00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: conversation that sometimes would have to happen in that landscape. Obviously,

525
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: with the paternity leave, you don't.

526
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: Have to say, hey, guys, can I have a kid

527
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: and a concentration?

528
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: I just thought no questions, but that one.

529
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: No one is knowing what impact it could have. It's

530
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: such a disruption to routine.

531
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 4: Especially then paying you like an X amount of money

532
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 4: to complete a contract and then you just don't know

533
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,959
Speaker 4: what's going to happen during that time anyway.

534
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of support they go straight to

535
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: rather than what you can't do, it's you do whatever

536
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: you want to do and then we'll support you either way.

537
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing.

538
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: So then in terms of announcing your pregnancy, what was

539
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: the hierarchy the list of people that you went through.

540
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: Well, we've just done it all again. So it's here

541
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: we go. It's quite an exciting little We haven't done

542
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: the socials yet.

543
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: We're getting there before the societ.

544
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I'll try and beat this podcast.

545
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 5: Maybe too late, get me out on the phone, will

546
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 5: you do like a little a little shoot.

547
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: Perhaps I don't I'm not big on the socials, and

548
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not big on the same socials that a

549
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: lot of other people do. I might do like a

550
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: little subtle one, but everyone who needs to know knows.

551
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: So what you guys, you're in the need to.

552
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Speaker 4: Know, Yes, all I've on the inner circle.

553
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but certainly the first time, as you guys can

554
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: probably remember it, it's an amazing moment when you finally

555
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: find out you're pregnant. There's obviously, I can't believe how

556
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: many different hoops there are to work out you can

557
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: finally tell someone, Like there's the first pregnancy tests where

558
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: only you and your wife really know. Then there's the

559
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: first scan where only you and your wife and maybe

560
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: you can tell one extra. Yeah, Then there's until you

561
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: get to I think it's like eighteen weeks or twenty weeks.

562
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Speaker 3: Even twelve weeks.

563
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: Now twelve weeks is like tell your family and then

564
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: twenty years tell the world, because that's kind of not

565
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: in the clear.

566
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Speaker 2: But it's a good place to be if you're all

567
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: good at eighteen weeks.

568
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Speaker 4: And as a bloke, you don't want to tell people

569
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 4: that your wife hasn't already told. Yep, I remember doing that,

570
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 4: pissed one.

571
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: Night when you have a few times.

572
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: Jimmy, I'm having a kid.

573
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: But in terms of football, club. We have this it's

574
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: called a weekly Wrap. Every Friday afternoon, we all freestyle battle.

575
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: We have the whole, the whole football club get in

576
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: the room and we do like a presentation about how

577
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: good the week was. Compliment this guy, Compliment this guy,

578
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 1: I got really good, Fiel good to go on a Friday.

579
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: And there's always been like a baby like if there's

580
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: someone's having a baby, there's a baby news like section,

581
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: like they do like the baby news and they do

582
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: like a spinning baby and then put someone's head on

583
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: the baby of whose baby it is. And I've always

584
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: wanted to announce that way. So the second child, I've

585
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: done that.

586
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: That's pretty clever, right.

587
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: So the whole that's an easier way to tell.

588
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: You more than one person having a baby.

589
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: That then the next page, maybe.

590
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: That's good.

591
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: When you had George, he's in Jess's tummy at this point,

592
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: did you do the math and think, oh, that's pretty

593
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: close to the Grand Final?

594
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we were awfully close. Oh sorry, awful the

595
00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: bad way to describe that. No, so there was sort

596
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: of our second or third time of trying, so the

597
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: dates don't really matter at that point, although the first

598
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: two times of try, and we weren't really sure on

599
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: how to try, so it really was our first time

600
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: of trying properly. We nailed it using bad words and

601
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: nailed it's bad.

602
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: Get the inside scoop on your Sex Live.

603
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: But then obviously you do the mass and you go well.

604
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: We weren't expected to make a Grand final in twenty

605
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: twenty one as well, but you do the mass and

606
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: go okay. Sort of are in around those first weeks

607
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: of October. If COVID comes around, I could push it

608
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: back a tiny bit as well, and then it works

609
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: out that we actually in Perth for the Grand Final,

610
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: so we're away for five weeks.

611
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: And suggests at this point not with you, Shah.

612
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: As you can imagine, the WA government was pretty strong

613
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: on who can get over the border.

614
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 4: And in your third try, Mester you can't travel anyway.

615
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: And she was at thirty to thirty five. I think

616
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: I missed out on so wow.

617
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Speaker 2: Was there a conversation of let's say if it happened

618
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: the day before the Grand Final, like what do you do?

619
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: There was we chatted. I had a pretty good reply.

620
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: I think, go on, he'll be the judge of that.

621
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Speaker 1: I never played in a Grand Final and I've been

622
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: and I've been upset. I've been played forty since I

623
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: was fourteen.

624
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 4: I've never been to that part one time.

625
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: I've been playing forty since I was fourteen. That's what

626
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: seventeen years of trying to get to a Grand Final.

627
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: Jess and I made Georgie in five minutes, So like

628
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: if you're way up five minutes versus seventeen genuine.

629
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Speaker 3: Good length of time.

630
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: I'll more reference into this, But no, look, if it

631
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: honestly was about we did have someone so Nathan Nathan

632
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: Jones is our club legend, three hundred games, multiple Best

633
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: and Fairs. He was just on the fringe unfortunately of

634
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: the Grand Final. So he was the first emergency and

635
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: he was having his third and fourth child, he was

636
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: having twins, and once he worked out he wasn't in

637
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: the Grand Final team, he had a big discussion and

638
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: they said, look, which is massive football world, we weren't

639
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: going to play our legend. You're not going to get

640
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: a game. He left Perth and went and got the

641
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: twins Berth and got there by the skin of his teeth,

642
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: got there by an hour ago, which was three days

643
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: before the Grand Final. Silver lining, I guess yeah, well,

644
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean magical moment for him. If he made the team,

645
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: that would have been an all different different conversation himself

646
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: because he was three hundred games without playing the grand

647
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: final for the one club club.

648
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: Legend grand final was played was one. You then come

649
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: back to Melbourne.

650
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: I managed to get three or four days in Perth

651
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: which was nice. Yes, let me have the mad Monday

652
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: and whatnot over in Perth celebration. So I got home

653
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: on a Thursday and the game was a Saturday.

654
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: Hang on, how many days is that?

655
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: It was good?

656
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: He said, Monday? Your Monday is.

657
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: It was a good campaign. And then we had sort

658
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: of two or three weeks. So she went to the

659
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: full forty. But there was obviously the chance you could

660
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: come in that earlier period, but we went to the

661
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: full forty.

662
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: Matthew, I've got a new dad goal.

663
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what is it?

664
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Speaker 3: I want to get better at golf.

665
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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to stop you right there because

666
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Speaker 2: there's one small problem. I know for a fact that

667
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: you can't play golf very well.

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Speaker 4: Well, I want to at least look good, okay whilst

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Speaker 4: doing it. And if your dad wants to look good

670
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671
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Speaker 2: I feel like all dads want to look good.

672
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Speaker 3: Let's be yes.

673
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Speaker 4: But if he wants to know if he's not good

674
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Speaker 4: at it, but he's still looking good, then he could

675
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: potentially still be at his optimum performance.

676
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: I sometimes go to golf courses and I don't actually

677
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Speaker 2: have a hit.

678
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Speaker 3: A ball, it walk around.

679
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: I just walk around looking good.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's what this is about.

681
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,240
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Speaker 2: it'd go down well, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 4: And imagine being the child that actually allowed your dad

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691
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Speaker 2: Can I just say one thing before we get back

692
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: into the episode with Maxie.

693
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: Yes, Ash, when you feel.

694
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Speaker 1: Your best, you'll perform.

695
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Speaker 2: At your best.

696
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Speaker 3: Write that down right, That is great?

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Speaker 2: That is that is quote I've quote some advice for you.

698
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Speaker 4: You go, okay, if you believe it, then it's not

699
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Speaker 4: a lie.

700
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Speaker 1: Drop in the bombs of wisdom.

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702
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703
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704
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Speaker 2: and I we are huge fans of the brand, both

706
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: on and off the golf course. Now let's get back

707
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: into the episode for the birth. Did you have any

708
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: set role going into that that you had to play side?

709
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: Music?

710
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: Music man was mine?

711
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: Was there a specific song that was to be It

712
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: wasn't a double song.

713
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: I don't know the actually and their cats and.

714
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: It was the Melbourne theme. So I was as most

715
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: of us probably, I was the hype man. I was

716
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: the support guy. Wasn't doing a great job, Bili, Well,

717
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: Jess got the best of both worlds. She had an

718
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: eleven hour labor and then they realized the head was

719
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: never coming out, so then the emergency C section.

720
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: Guilty.

721
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the first four or five hours, as you

722
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: can both imagine, there's not much going on an eleven

723
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: hour labor.

724
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 4: It's a lot of like in between contractions and then.

725
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do feel useless. Yeah, but look, it's not

726
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: about us, is it.

727
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: Also, there's a lot of people who listen to the

728
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: podcast who don't have kids, And before I had kids,

729
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: I thought it was like a really quick process, like

730
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: the water breaks are in there, like fifteen minutes later. Hey,

731
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: the kids arrived, it's a bit slower.

732
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: I told his wife to push harder.

733
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: Okay, don't believe him. I'm not that stupid. That is mistakes,

734
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: but not that one. Yeah, well I couldn't say that

735
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: because pushing harder was damaging the process with the So

736
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: I was actually hold on, which is what you wanted

737
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: to hear, did you?

738
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: Guys? Obviously, like an emergency c section is not part

739
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: of the birth plan.

740
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: But I'm so glad I got to live that out.

741
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: That's a cool experience as well, not for Jess. Horrible

742
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: experience for Jess. But this is arian Yeah, just a

743
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: great taling story from a dad's point of view as well. So, yeah,

744
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: labors happened. I'm not sure if Jess is give me

745
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: the green light to give all these sorts of details,

746
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: but hey, the blue bibs come out. That's when you

747
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: know it's done, be a bit serious. Obviously, the first

748
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: few pushes didn't work. Heads too big. I thought that

749
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: was the obstraction's role in the first place, to let

750
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: us know the head was going to be too big.

751
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: Obviously, not he was too long.

752
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: Did I say that apologies.

753
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: Should be I actually were friends who are obtrition, So

754
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: he's very I'll clear that up. And then it all

755
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: started happening, like we're ten hours of not much into

756
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: like now ten minutes of everyone running around the room.

757
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: I just said, I'll put these on, so I'll put

758
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: them on. The scrubs didn't have shoes.

759
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: That fit.

760
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: On.

761
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: Remember if you were you're blue blue.

762
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: And everyone's running into it. And then I'm not allowed

763
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: in the theater obviously while it's all happening because of

764
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: COVID or, I don't know, you're assuming.

765
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: You're in it. So there's the theater, you're in that

766
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: separate room.

767
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: And I was even in like a little waiting room

768
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: outside of that, I was in the corridor. So I'm

769
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: just sitting in a waiting room knowing something BIG's happening

770
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: in there, which is an interesting experience. And no one's

771
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: in the wait No one's in the corridor, everyone's in

772
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: the room.

773
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: It's a nighttime.

774
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: It was nighttime by then. We checked in at am

775
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: and nighttime by then.

776
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: So then how do they how do they announce to you?

777
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: Eventually? Just the door opens? Would you like to come in? Max?

778
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure, like I come in.

779
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: They called you in afterwards.

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00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: Afterwards, so the baby was the actually no, yeah, you're right. Yeah,

781
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: the baby was on its way out.

782
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they call you in. You're up and then

783
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: they drop the curtain.

784
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and put them back up. The midwife goes, what

785
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: song would you like? And I'm like, well, this is

786
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: my moment, and I still asked Jess, I said, just

787
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: which one we are? But I knew which one, so

788
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: that was bad by me. I should have just gone

789
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: straight to thed. So the song was on and then

790
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: the midwife was great, she's I give us your phones

791
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: so I can take photos. So the photos are gruesome.

792
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you got photos. Yeah, both of

793
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: mine were the sections got photos from.

794
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're great to look back on. Do you

795
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: go back and have us, Well, they're a great party

796
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: trick for those that want to. You can really like

797
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: you're like.

798
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 4: I got photos like oh yeah.

799
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: And then yeah, so then that all happened, and then

800
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: I find the best bit is from now so the

801
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: baby's out. We didn't know what sex. And it took

802
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: a while, like the way the obstrations was holding the baby.

803
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: It's like covering everything, covering.

804
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: The good parts for a bit there, and then it

805
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: was just like open. It's okay, yeah, yeah, there's no

806
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: confusing that that is. That's definitely And then the cutting

807
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: of the cord, which is one of the great myths.

808
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: I didn't do it.

809
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: Please tell me how yours.

810
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: The cord has been cut, and I go over to

811
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: a part fifteen meters away from Jess, so obviously not

812
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: still attached, and cut another bit of an already cut cord.

813
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: But I get there's the novelty. But I'm bigger than that.

814
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't need to do it.

815
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: Let's trick this guy to do they offer it to you.

816
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said we do have to cut the cord.

817
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, cool, how call is this? And

818
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: then we go obviously way too far away from my wife. Yeah,

819
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how long they said, not anyone's so

820
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: it's already been cut. And then I cut an extra

821
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: bit of a cut bit.

822
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, they probably don't want to give the non professional

823
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: a really important.

824
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: Job to cut.

825
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: Imagine how many have got botched you to me, was

826
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: in a c section for looks at my wife with Marley,

827
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: who's my first and the obstetrician said a bit of

828
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: chaos because there's everything going on. And I got handed

829
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: the scissors and they said would you like to cut?

830
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 2: And I didn't really want to go down that and

831
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: I prefer to stat with Laura holding her hand. And

832
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: I first I said no, thank you, and then he

833
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: was like, no, come on, and I said no, thank you.

834
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: For peer pressure, a little bit of pressure. Laura was like,

835
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: just do it.

836
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: And so then I'm cutting this umbilical cord, which kind

837
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: of is similar to Calamari.

838
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: I guess, quite well done. Calamario didn't enjoy it.

839
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: I guess I'm glad I had a taste of cutting,

840
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: not the Klamari.

841
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: A surgeon.

842
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: Like, I'm looking back at the experience of me over

843
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: there in the corner by myself cutting the cord again

844
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: the photo, Oh did that really need to be done.

845
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: What happens from then is like there's a little bit

846
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: of family time, which is great, but then Jess is

847
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: extremely unwell. So I've taken the baby and I'm in

848
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: a room by myself. A nurse initially comes in with

849
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: me and says, here's the baby, put him on the skin.

850
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: The nurse then leaves the room the midwife because she

851
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: needs to go back into Jess. And I'm in a

852
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: room with George and newborn by myself with no nurses

853
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: a good half an hour, and I've not read the

854
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: baby books. Yeah, no one reads, so obviously they're not

855
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: much can go wrong because they've trusted me with holding

856
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: the baby for half an hour. But that's a pretty

857
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: daunting half an hour. And I got my phone out

858
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: and thinking I've got to text someone to let them know.

859
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: But I couldn't say, you know, not Mum and Bubba,

860
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: Well that's always the song. I couldn't confidently say mum

861
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: as well, I hadn't seen her.

862
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen her.

863
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I text my mum and said born

864
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: so and so, don't tell anyone because Jess is still

865
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: in theaters. I told my parents I couldn't tell Jess.

866
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: Were you worried about Jess or were they were? They

867
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: kind of saying she's going to be okay.

868
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: Was there reassurance it's going to be okay, but yeah,

869
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: it's still slightly worried, Like, yeah, it's a pretty big

870
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't imagine that moment. I've had a keyhole a

871
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: c L. I don't think that compares to.

872
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 4: Maybe come out of it, and probably not like I

873
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 4: had a similar thing. So like they've given me oscar

874
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: and go on, here you go, put me in a room,

875
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 4: and I like, thankfully I had my father in law,

876
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 4: my mother in law there, But even for me at

877
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 4: that moment when April's my wife is still in surgery,

878
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: I don't know what's happening, felt like forever and I've

879
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 4: got this all of a sudden, I've got the responsibility

880
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: of another life just like that, and it's all on

881
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 4: me really, so preparation, feeling, feeling, picking up what you're

882
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 4: putting down.

883
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: Just and I know when I tell that story in

884
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: front of Jess, jeez, sorry to hear you had to

885
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: spend half. But I feel like on a dad podcast,

886
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people would agree that

887
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: that is a very And then the whole first night

888
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: because Jess is obviously out of it for the whole

889
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: first night in and out of sleep. You're almost hands

890
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: on for the first night. I feel like the first

891
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: night is the most daunty night for both parents absolute,

892
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: so to be the one that's hands on the most.

893
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: I was on a fault out bed, which was hilarious.

894
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: As you can imagine with my height, I could have

895
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: been on two. I have to clarify, you're not actually twelve.

896
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 4: Foot gurglings going to twelve foot close and then it's

897
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 4: still very tall.

898
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: Six year tennis, six for tennis. Yeah, nine and a half. Yeah,

899
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: not ideal, not ideal of the hospital, but especially fouled out,

900
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: So that that whole first experience was pretty cool.

901
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: In that first half hour, you like, get holding it right.

902
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: You forget everything that you have sort of red or

903
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: prepped yourself on or and you go, okay, I didn't

904
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: know how to swaddle, but all of a sudden, now

905
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: there's an actual human life baby and me, and it's moving.

906
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how to swaddle. And then nappies and

907
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: that first poo is interesting.

908
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like sharco.

909
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: You don't think that's healthy.

910
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 4: It's a good sign though, it is a good sign. Yeah,

911
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: good come out scream. It's one of the checklists clears out.

912
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: All of the I'm not a doctor, you know more

913
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: than me, I seem to know.

914
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: It's one of the big checklists to move on to

915
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: the next day.

916
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, the the recovery for Jess after that, obviously they

917
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 4: can't drive for so long.

918
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: Was it off seat, It was just was just after.

919
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 4: It was really lucky that you weren't you probably we

920
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: weren't off at training over that time.

921
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: She actually did really well. She recovered really well. She's

922
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: actually physio who specializes in maternity, so she knew everything

923
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: that was happening to her body at all points.

924
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: It's always handy always.

925
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: How did you guys find those first few months. What

926
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: were some of the things that you found really easy

927
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: and what were the things that you struggled with.

928
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: We were in COVID, so the family was certainly something

929
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: we struggled with. No family in the hospital, were there

930
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: for three days and then two days at a hotel

931
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: for two days and no family there, and then no

932
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: family went once we got back home. Still the harder

933
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: COVID for us, well, very luckily we're located in the

934
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: morning to Peninsula, which is an hour south from here

935
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: coast Slime a beautiful part of the world, and that's

936
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: where we'd been living for a little bit. So we're

937
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: in a great place to go for walks and experience

938
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: the outdoors. It does everyone. It sort of made us

939
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: all happy in a way, being surrounded by nature and

940
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But yeah, so she recovered really well,

941
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: So I don't have any real bad stories about that

942
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: sort of two or three.

943
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sleeping, sleeping, how was that initially shocked to the system?

944
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: You two might hate me post this, but we've almost

945
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: had a seven or seven sleeper from the day Dot

946
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: get out, Max, no one to hear it.

947
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: If I could overpower you, I.

948
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: Would obviously early on he's waking up for feeds. But

949
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: we haven't had a bad sleep.

950
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: That's so great. Well, look forward to the next one.

951
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 2: We just tell you there's always there's always a good

952
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: one and a tricky one.

953
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 3: Okay, we're not going to say bad.

954
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, choose my words very carefully because

955
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: Marley was good. Lola, my gosh, one of the hardest

956
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: moments of my entire life. She just slept no more

957
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: than thirty minutes, So, ok, just prepare yourself for that

958
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: lower your expectations of what sleep is going to be

959
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: like for.

960
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: Number two, Well, we were, yeah, like the other day,

961
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: he's almost two and we still did the baby monitor

962
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: at the moment just because he's too far away from

963
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: our room. Must be nice. Sorry, he's down for levels

964
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: No one, you're gonna hear him. And he made a

965
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: noise the other night. We're like, what is that like?

966
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: It was so foreign to us. Came out he must

967
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: be dying. But he's made a noise in the middle

968
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: of the night. Yeah, so we're very lucky in that space.

969
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: He's also been a very good eater, which has been good.

970
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: I know eating can be an issue, especially bottles early on,

971
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: but no, he's been a very good eater. So we've

972
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: we've sort of lucked out in a way with this

973
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: with this kid.

974
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: Are there any similarities in how you captain the forty

975
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 2: side versus how you dad?

976
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: George a little bit go on the interesting bit, and

977
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm interested you've probably interviewed a lot of people that

978
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: have older kids. Yes, So we're trying to shape our

979
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: young kids as much as we can, and then at

980
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: some point they're allowed to shape themselves. And I'd love

981
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: to know that transformation because at the moment, I'm just

982
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: trying to teach all the values in every shape and

983
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: I know if I do one thing wrong, now, this

984
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: kid could end up being something at eighteen that two

985
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: one one too.

986
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe not a two.

987
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: But that's the mindset.

988
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: Very early years is that, yeah, we've got four year old.

989
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 4: So when George gets to sort of three and four,

990
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 4: that's when you'll be like instill those values you get

991
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: into when you can talk back to you and all

992
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: that sort of stuff.

993
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: But then at some point, like in a football club,

994
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: like I was saying at the start, you want them

995
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: to be themselves. Yeah, that's going to be a cool transformation.

996
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's ten years away. But there is similarities to.

997
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: The footy boys are You're like, come here, that's one

998
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: minute warning, chance to have a super water right now,

999
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: finish it all.

1000
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: We actually we got an older group of players. So

1001
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: we've got ten to fifteen kids. Wow, which is a

1002
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: lot in around our football club. You guys must be

1003
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: like daddy daycare time creation. Now what there is a

1004
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: creation of the game.

1005
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: You just lock them in the middle of the mcg

1006
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: on the grass and I can't do any damage there.

1007
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: So there's lots of kids, they're all friends, they all

1008
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: know each other. Well. Well, I mean we went through

1009
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: a harbor. I didn't have a child in the harbor

1010
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: we went through in twenty twenty. There was four months

1011
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: in Queensland. Yeah, we had ten to fifteen kids there

1012
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: having the time of their life, seeing people every day.

1013
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: It was probably great for their social skills. I'm not

1014
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 1: sure what you guys were like before you had kids,

1015
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: but I might remember.

1016
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: I went to school, he sick.

1017
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Partied every night. But I was like that guy was like, yeah, cool,

1018
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: I hilf have a kid. Maybe play a card. I'm

1019
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: not picking him up or helping you feed him, or

1020
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: like when you're saying, oh, look at this cute kid

1021
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: of mine, I'm only cool. But now I'm the guy like,

1022
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: how are you not finding my son? What he's doing

1023
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: right now? He's playing to his cards by himself. That

1024
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: is cute. Why you're finding that?

1025
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 4: Look he's pretending he's How do you not say?

1026
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: I get what you mean?

1027
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: And I also think my kid's the cutest, which I'm

1028
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: all absolutely, we all do.

1029
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: George is very adorable.

1030
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: Have you said that's all the way to and guests.

1031
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: So yes, yeah, to tell the guest.

1032
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: That child, Look, you're going to be the first guest

1033
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: for your child, is fix it coming on the podcast.

1034
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll go down that well.

1035
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: We've always good sleeping and good eating. He has got

1036
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: a trait that we struggle with a lot, and he's

1037
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: incredibly introbuted. I'm not sure who he gets that from

1038
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: because we're I feel like we're both on the extroverted side.

1039
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: But he struggles at daycare, struggles at separation, struggles with

1040
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: other kids, struggles with leaving the house, shruggles when new

1041
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: people come to the house. So there's a lot of

1042
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: pressure there. But apart from that, yeah, we feel like we've.

1043
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: Breakstart a little bit too.

1044
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 4: They don't really know any different, And I mean, my

1045
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: eldest is kind of like that. My youngest is the

1046
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 4: complete opposite. I see him struggling in moments that I

1047
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 4: know for me, I would have never struggled him like now,

1048
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: you can't shut me up. For him, he'll be like

1049
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 4: really in his shell. So yeah, it's sometimes it's tough

1050
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: to like watch it.

1051
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: They change as well. Lola, who's my youngest, hated me

1052
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: for the first year and a half of her life.

1053
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: I did not I would want to give her a

1054
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: cuddle and just always wanted mum, nobody else, didn't want

1055
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: to interact with people who are you in the household

1056
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: like Marley, who's my eldest, did that. Marley would just

1057
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: run to anyone. And I kind of thought to myself

1058
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: as well, like I guess she's just going to be

1059
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: a bit more of a shy child. And then she

1060
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: hit two and she just like almost within a week,

1061
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: just changed and just with this personality just came out

1062
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: of her.

1063
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: We do feel like the daycare part will help. The

1064
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: first hour of daycare dropping him.

1065
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 3: Off, it's tough.

1066
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, just back on the foota club, Like are they

1067
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 4: really flexible if you need to step away or if

1068
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: Jess is sick and kids sick because it happens, going

1069
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: to get this and they're like, you're like, look, I

1070
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 4: can't come to trains day calling sick.

1071
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: Do they ask you for a doctor's note?

1072
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: Or are they like, look, you do you that's flexible

1073
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: and bring a kid to work day if it's an issue.

1074
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: We have no single fathers there currently, but we have

1075
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 1: in the past and it's certainly been there's been kids

1076
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: in and around the football club, and to be fair,

1077
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: it's one of the better jobs to be a dad.

1078
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: A lot of time off. We get twelve weeks a

1079
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: year off as well at the end of the season.

1080
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: That's great and we have obviously a good steady cash flow.

1081
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: So it's a great job to be a dad. That's

1082
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: probably why people do have kids. Yeah, while there've been

1083
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: a footballer.

1084
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: Mack, I've got to ask you for any parents, specifically

1085
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: dads who are listening, what would be your one bit

1086
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: of advice for how they can make life easier for

1087
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: their partners.

1088
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 1: So this could come across as selfish, but I feel

1089
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: like in the long run, if you've got a very

1090
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: good relationship with your family, it makes sense. And it

1091
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: stems from how I spoke about the start, about being

1092
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: the best version of yourself. If I come home from

1093
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: a bad day of training and I walk straight into

1094
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: the house, I'm potentially going to get into screen time.

1095
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give George my best version of me,

1096
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: and then it's just not going to be a great night.

1097
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: So I got into a routine and still do it

1098
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: where I have a sort of fifteen minute my own

1099
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: time post training, and when I live down the coast,

1100
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: which has just changed. I've just moved back up. I'd

1101
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: go on the ocean, so I drive home andybe a

1102
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: fifty minute drive home, and right at the end we

1103
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: live near the beach. I jump in the ocean and

1104
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: sit there and do a bit of mine in the

1105
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: ocean for ten minutes, and then I'd come home and bang,

1106
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: my phone's not even anywhere near me. I'm the best

1107
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: version of Max. George is loving me. Jess is getting

1108
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: some time away from George, and I felt like that's something.

1109
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: It's selfish that I Jess would also love to go

1110
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: to the beach, I'm sure and ship into the water.

1111
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: But I felt like that was the best version of

1112
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: me coming out and I still do it now I'm

1113
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: not in the beach. I've got a sauna at home. Again,

1114
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: must be nice. But I've got a sauna at home,

1115
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: and that's something I can do. Just a little bit

1116
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: of mindfulness different times. Doesn't have to be a full,

1117
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: big activity. I can literally just put the headphones in

1118
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: and listen to a mindful or happen and do it

1119
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: that way.

1120
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: Who's taught you this?

1121
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: Where did this come from? I'm always battling to be present.

1122
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: I feel like present Max is the best version of Max,

1123
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's the same with every single

1124
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: person in the world. So I know the being present

1125
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you can see it when you're not present

1126
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: with your kids. They're sitting playing the cars next to

1127
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: you and you're on your phone or you're watching sport

1128
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: on TV.

1129
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: And that's just exactly like me.

1130
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you go to sleep that night and go

1131
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: I didn't get great George time, today, did I? Yeah?

1132
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: And I catch myself doing it too, where I'm like,

1133
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 4: I've been on my phone all day with email as well,

1134
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 4: is it kindy or make?

1135
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: Is it kindy?

1136
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: And now they're home and I'm still doing the same thing.

1137
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: So I have caught myself a lot.

1138
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: If you mix that with I've been out till five

1139
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: for the whole day, so I've got a Like I said,

1140
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: he's a great sleeper, so I've got a two hour

1141
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: window before he's asleep, Like why not making an hour

1142
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: and forty window and have twenty minutes to make that

1143
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: the best hour and forty rather than a mediocre two hours. Yeah,

1144
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: And Jess is fully supportive, but that she also gets

1145
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: time to do her thing as well and make sure

1146
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: she's a physios So she loves pilarates, so she goes

1147
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: and does pilarates a lot, and that's her mind forulness,

1148
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: and that works for us. Two kids might be a

1149
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: different story. I might not be allowed to do that.

1150
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: I might. Yeah, fifteen minutes turns into seven as long,

1151
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: it's still something. I feel like I might be able

1152
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: to get something out of that, even when they're both asleep,

1153
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: potentially using that period to clear your mind. But it's

1154
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: something that works, so it certainly worked for me.

1155
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 4: Since having it, do you find that you're more aware

1156
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: of your health both mental physical?

1157
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: You certainly notice not being present? Yeah, a lot more.

1158
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: I feel like without a kid, I could have sat

1159
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: and watched a whole Ashes cricket day on the couch

1160
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: and not even yeah where if you watched four overs

1161
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: and going, oh no, I haven't spoken to George, you

1162
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,479
Speaker 1: sort of pick up on it real quickly. We're both

1163
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: well aware of how we are emotionally. One of the

1164
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: big debates about having a child was we both love

1165
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: our lives a lot, and I feel like that is

1166
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: a big debate when having a child. Do you want

1167
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: to start a family now or do you want to

1168
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: continue this love of life that you're having. Do you

1169
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: want to travel? Do you want to do all the

1170
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: things you have? And we were why not do both

1171
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: type situations? We should be able to do both. Let's

1172
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: see you again. That is lightly differently, just slightly differently

1173
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: instead of when we went to we went to Europe

1174
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: instead of going out and Malati, we're having dinner at

1175
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: four point thirty when everyone else is having breakfast.

1176
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: That sounds me.

1177
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're both fully aware of how we are

1178
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: emotionally and this is very good with that. She tells

1179
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: me to my face when she when she needs some

1180
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: time or some communication. Good communication.

1181
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: And your relationship with Lulu Lemon. You've been with them

1182
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 3: for three years now, correct me if I'm wrong.

1183
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: How many of the boys hit you up for freaking well?

1184
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of the big things of

1185
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: Lula Lemon is that's such a great brand that how

1186
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: many people actually knew they do great male clothing. It's

1187
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: actually unbelievable, and I'm had to do. I'm had to tell.

1188
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: If I may give you a compliment, you look delicious.

1189
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 3: Color is real.

1190
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: But never really responded to a partnership. Again, a lot

1191
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: of cool little partnerships been in the position I'm in.

1192
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: I've never really responded to a partnership like Lulu Lemon.

1193
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: Also goes without saying that you're an incredible athlete, and

1194
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: I think from talking with you an incredible dad. So

1195
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: it's no surprise that you're one of their ambassadors.

1196
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 4: Well yeah, and that was that was me, That was genuine.

1197
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,479
Speaker 2: I'm getting further.

1198
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a rosy better dad as well

1199
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: as we all know, there is a lot of times

1200
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm not present, so that's why I do that stuff

1201
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: to make sure I am. But it has been a

1202
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: wonderful journey. Obviously, two is going to rock my world

1203
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: by the sounds of things, and then when you're out numbered,

1204
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: if you go down the three path, you're two and done.

1205
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: I want to be two and done. But the fact

1206
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: there's no girl yet makes me feel like Jess is

1207
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: going to push for a third.

1208
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: Opposite, I'm two girls looking at a third in the

1209
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 2: hope that maybe I'll get a board.

1210
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: There's apparently a diet you can go on that puts

1211
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: you in the boy category.

1212
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: You've got to penetrate deeper.

1213
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: I have a small penis penetrate. Well, we've actually got

1214
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: a strong, strong, strong formula of during this season, if

1215
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: you have sex, you can see a girl, and if

1216
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: you have sex in the off season, you have a boy.

1217
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: Based on what reason, I'm guessing tests levels maybe so.

1218
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 3: Probably not going to apply for you.

1219
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: You could go into a strenuous training program. Yeah, okay, no,

1220
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: but then that means girl, so go less training.

1221
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: Get that like me?

1222
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I just need to spend more weekends with

1223
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: that less training.

1224
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: Chance a boy.

1225
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 4: I've got one of these the boys crazy like exactly

1226
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 4: like I was as a child and is now picks

1227
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 4: up on everything I do, which is both great and annoying.

1228
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 4: And then I've got a little girl who has completely

1229
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: changed me. I've softened up, believe it or not. And yeah,

1230
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: like it's a totally different experience. I think, like you

1231
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 4: definitely parent them differently. Macy's can do no wrong, but

1232
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 4: I just I can do everything wrong.

1233
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,959
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'll keep that in mind when when.

1234
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: You go for the third if you never know you

1235
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 3: might have to go down the line, you might.

1236
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: Just boy boy boy, I'm one of three boys. So yeah, okay, right,

1237
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: you're getting my mom's one of four. My mum's so

1238
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: she's not a boy, but she just got three brothers,

1239
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: and my dad's one of four boys. There's a lot

1240
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: of boys. Max.

1241
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: I want to say, thank you so so much for

1242
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: talking with us today. It's been an absolute delight.

1243
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me in totally.

1244
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 4: I picked up the mindfulness thing for me from you is.

1245
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: Be wary of bringing it up the first time with

1246
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: your partner.

1247
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, she'd be like, where have you been for fifteen? Max?

1248
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: Gorne told me I've got a float around.

1249
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: Don't take your surfboard. That's where it starts to be

1250
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1251
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 4: She goes out of the garage and she counts, make

1252
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 4: sure they're still all there. But yeah, thank you so

1253
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: much for jumping chatting with us. Thank you to a

1254
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: little element for allowing this to happen, of course.

1255
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: And also good luck for the rest of the seasons.

1256
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: Points in.

1257
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many weeks now.

1258
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: Are we We're five to go with a game on Sunday.

1259
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: Obviously not sure when you're going to get this all together,

1260
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: so that could be outdated.

1261
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 3: But we're talking probably mid August.

1262
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: The finals are coming.

1263
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: Like anyway, I'm looking forward to the Grand Final.

1264
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: Hopefully we've won the last three games, but we just

1265
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: skipped over.

1266
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: Where you situated for you're still not a bad place.

1267
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a top or of the double chance and

1268
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: we're sitting in fourth where two games clear of fifth

1269
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: at the moment. It will be interesting to see how

1270
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: these ages.

1271
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 2: Before we go though, one last mention that if you

1272
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: have enjoyed this podcast or any of the episodes that

1273
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: we put out, we would absolutely love it. And if

1274
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: you go us a review five stars, Maxie, if you

1275
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: were to review us, how many stars would you give?

1276
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: Three and a half.

1277
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 4: Beautiful honesty, it's all of your cringey compliments.

1278
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: Now we're going home and putting in how do you

1279
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: do it?

1280
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 2: Ideally Apple podcasts, Apple podcasts, you can give just five stars.

1281
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: You can also like the Krem de la Crem review

1282
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: would be five stars. You can pass me off phone

1283
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: and I can do it for you, just to make sure,

1284
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: and just a few comment could be.

1285
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: Any loved episode nineteen, Yes.

1286
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be the dream.

1287
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 2: And if there's any other doting dads or doting mums

1288
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: that you would love for us to speak to the podcast,

1289
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: please make those suggestions. At two doting dads on Instagram

1290
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: and on that note, Max, it's been a pleasure.

1291
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Cheers the att