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Speaker 1: Already and this is the DAILYA.

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Speaker 2: This is the Daily OS.

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Speaker 3: Oh now it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: the twelfth of March.

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Speaker 3: I'm zara, I'm emma.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Pitch Music and Arts Festival in Western

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Speaker 1: danger amid heat wave condition.

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Speaker 3: But it's actually not the first time something like this

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Speaker 3: has happened. There have been around forty five Ossie music

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Speaker 3: festivals that have been partially all fully canceled due to

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Speaker 3: weather impacts since twenty fifteen. So with temperatures soaring and

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Speaker 3: climate change and increasing concern, what does the future of

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Speaker 3: festivals look like in Australia. In today's deep dive, we're

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Speaker 3: speaking to Green Music Australia. They're the national peak body

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Speaker 3: for the future of live music in Australia. But vers Zara,

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Speaker 3: what's making headlines?

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Speaker 1: National domestic violent support service one eight hundred RESPECT is

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Speaker 1: launching a video chat support line. It comes after one

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Speaker 1: eight hundred RESPECT launched a text message support service late

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Speaker 1: last year. Minister for Social Services Amanda Rishworth said video

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Speaker 1: calls will allow victim survivors to virtually connect face to

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Speaker 1: face with one eight hundred respect staff, allowing them to

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Speaker 1: access support without the need for an appointment or travel.

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Speaker 3: A missing twelve year old boy has been found safe

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Speaker 3: and well after a search lasting more than forty eight

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Speaker 3: hours in Sydney, New South Wales. Police raised concerns for

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Speaker 3: the boy's welfare after he disappeared on Saturday morning, as

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Speaker 3: he has down syndrome and is autistic and nonverbal. The

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Speaker 3: boy was reunited with his family yesterday afternoon. Police thanked

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Speaker 1: French President Emmanuel Macron has announced he will table a

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Speaker 1: voluntary assisted dying bill later this year. The practice is

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Speaker 1: currently banned under palliod of care laws in France. The bill,

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Speaker 1: if passed, would bring France in line with neighbouring countries

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Speaker 1: Switzerland and Belgium. It comes after several months of consultation

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Speaker 3: And today's good news. Older residents of Vancouver's Chinatown have

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Speaker 3: reclaimed a space in their local shopping center for group

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Speaker 3: tai chi sessions.

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Speaker 1: So not where I thought that sentence was going to go.

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Speaker 3: I love all the things. The seniors are part of

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Speaker 3: a group called Chinatown Together, and they were actually kicked

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Speaker 3: Chinatown Together member Melody mart told local media that the

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Speaker 3: neighborhood is a space where people should feel welcome to

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Speaker 1: So last weekend we heard that Pitch, which is a

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Speaker 1: festival held in Victoria, had been called off early. It

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Speaker 1: was called off on Sunday. It was meant to run

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Speaker 1: another few days, and that was due to the risk

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Speaker 1: last festival to be called off because of weather conditions,

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Speaker 1: But I do feel like it's happening with increased frequency.

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Speaker 3: Exactly as I said at the top of the episode.

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Speaker 3: This is just one example of dozens of Ozzi festivals

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Speaker 3: the climate emergency worsens. So when you consider that alongside

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Speaker 3: the impacts of COVID on the music industry, barriers associated

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Speaker 4: It's having a devastating impact. It's really sad to see,

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Speaker 4: One of the saddest things for us at Green Music

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Speaker 3: This might not be a factor that people immediately think

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Speaker 4: Live music was massively hit by COVID, But as we

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Speaker 4: insurance premiums already going up because there are more and

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Speaker 4: So it's already hard to organize a large scale festival,

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Speaker 4: Look, I don't have exact figures, but what I do

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Speaker 4: It just means that, yeah, these events may well need

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Speaker 4: Our role as the peak body for music and environment

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Speaker 3: The catalyst for the conversation this week is of course,

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Speaker 4: I think outdoor festivals have this special thing. You know,

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Speaker 4: Solution to be, let's take everything into an air conditioned,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose sustainability and climate change really, when we're

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Speaker 3: Then the footprint and the impact of that when I

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Speaker 4: That's something we're working on really closely with a lot

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Speaker 3: Do you look to how festivals overseas are doing things.

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Speaker 4: I really think the climate adaptation space, so managing extreme weather,

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Speaker 4: I just I don't know yet of a perfect solution.

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Speaker 4: Having said that, there are some great examples overseas of

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Speaker 4: I must admit some here at home, groups like Strawberry

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Speaker 4: Fields that completely switch to one hundred percent reusable crockery,

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Speaker 2: I think that's world leading.

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Speaker 3: Final question before I let you go, you know, I

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Speaker 4: I empathize so much. It'd be horrible to have, you know,

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Speaker 2: So I would say audience.

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Speaker 4: Goes should get really angry, and I would hope that

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Speaker 4: they direct that anger towards the government, whether it's the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do know, you said, do you you guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so disruptive for everyone involved.

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Speaker 4: And you know, those that are just going to suffer

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Speaker 4: See the audience members that just see the festival evaporate

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Speaker 2: But you know the fact is we need this to

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Speaker 4: And there are so many music lovers in Australia and

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