1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to this week's episode of Fearlessly Failing. 8 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Today's guest is Aussie actor Lincoln Unice. This actor is 9 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: blowing up all over Australia. Although I have to say 10 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: if you were a Home and Away fan or are 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: a Home Away fan, he was part of the River 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: Boys gang. Casey Braxen and I used to be obsessed 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: with Home and Away, So the second he said yes 14 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: doing this pod, I was like, oh my goodness, Kasey Baxxon. Anyway, 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm really goobering out right now. But present day, this 16 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: actor is doing so so well here in Australia. He's 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: done amazingly well in America as well. He's also had 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 1: some setbacks which we definitely talk about in this pod too. 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: But overall, can I just say I not even overall, 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: just I was blown away by this chat because Link 21 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: is open, generous, kind and so humble, like no ego, 22 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: real deal. What you see is what you get. Doing 23 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: so well. He's also the Boss Spring Ambassador and has 24 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: some really exciting stuff coming out in twenty twenty two 25 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: acting wise, So keep your eyes on the tally for 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: this awesome actor. Thank you so much for sharing your time. Link. 27 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: You're a legend Link in unis. I am so pumped. 28 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: I've been wanting you on this pod for quite some time, 29 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: my friend. 30 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: I've been playing how to get Yeah. 31 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: You have, but we've made it happen, and I'm so excited. 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: There are so many elements of your career that I 33 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: just I think I want to start early days because 34 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: last night I watched an episode of Tangle. 35 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: Oh you did so? 36 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: Were you in year eleven when you got cast for that? 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the first season. I had just started year eleven. 38 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: I'd moved from Bendy Go to Melbourne. Yeah, and I 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: was pretty young. 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: So good though, I like to cut your teeth with 41 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: so many Australian grates. 42 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredible. It was the best kind of 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: trial by fire I could have hoped for. And I yeah, 44 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: I was learning very quickly from some incredible people. 45 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: So I've just dived straight in for people playing along 46 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: at home. An amazing actor both here in Australia and 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: in America doing good things. But yeah, to get such 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: a role, it's such a young because early on when 49 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: you're like, soccer is my soccer is my passion, this 50 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: is what I want to do. But then there was 51 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: a flick into what made you go from athlete to 52 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: wanting to be an actor. 53 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: I think sport had always been a big part of 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: my life because I was I had a lot of 55 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: energy and a lot of you know, I was moving 56 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: around a lot and it kind of centered me. So 57 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: anything to do with movement kind of grounded my mind 58 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: enough to focus on when it needed to and then around. 59 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: And I was also a very shy kid. I was 60 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: very very yeah, and I used to watch a lot 61 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: of movies at the cinema. I used to review movies 62 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: for my mum's paper. 63 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: That's a pretty cool gig. 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: It was really cool. It was actually very funny. I remember, sorry, 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: and I'm digressing already, but that's going to be the podcast. 66 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Do it as much as you want. 67 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I remember I had some kind of deal 68 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: with mum in the paper where I could get to 69 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: free movie tickets if I would you the movie for 70 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: the paper. And I remember there was this girl I 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: had a crush on, who I won't say the name of, 72 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: but I was in class one day and back then, 73 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: you know, you'd write on a piece of paper and 74 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: it get passed around the class and it went all 75 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: the way around the class and it got to her 76 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: and she opened it and like smiled, and then she 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: looked up and smiled and wrote something and it came 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 2: all the way back. 79 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: And no, I've heard this. No, I love it. I'm 80 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: so glad you told it. But like that's a backfire 81 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: of a really cool. 82 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: Like I was going to go to the movie and 83 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: that's when I decided to be an act. I was like, 84 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: I'll show you no. 85 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: No. 86 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: Anyway, after that, we moved to Melbourne and yeah, I 87 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: searched around for an agent for a while and then 88 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: this woman called Joanna mi Lodge took a chance on me. 89 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: And the first audition I went for was Tangle. 90 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: How good. Yeah that's pretty Like now you know you 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: you've got such a body of work behind you, but 92 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: you know that it's uncommon to get the first theme. 93 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: It's incredibly uncommon. But also it's such an interesting industry 94 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: where everyone goes through similar things at different times. So, 95 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: you know, I had, I had a really great run 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: for a while, and then I had, you know, a 97 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: couple of years of unemployment at a strange time, and 98 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: everyone I think unemployment is where you do a lot 99 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: of growing and learning and then when you're working, that's 100 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: kind of the reward. And it is work, and it's 101 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: incredibly difficult work sometimes, but the hard the harder moments 102 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: are the in between, when you know you're living in 103 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: uncertainty and things don't always make sense and you just 104 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: kind of have to find your equilibrium in different ways. 105 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: But to start with Tangle was just like you know, 106 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: the yeah, and the caliber of the older actors, which 107 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: it was. Yeah, I still am very grateful for that. 108 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: And then to go from so you've done over seven 109 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: hundred episodes of Home and Away right as a river 110 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: boy Braxton. Yeah, you know, there's fan made videos of 111 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: you on YouTube of all the funny things that Casey 112 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: Braxton didally quite good, very entertaining. 113 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: Oh well, seven hundred episodes. You know, there's a couple 114 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: of bits in there. But that's incredible. I didn't know that. 115 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: I imagine you would have got a whole different skill set 116 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: from something like Home and Away because you're faster turnaround, right, 117 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: it's super fast turn around. You're learning stuff really really quickly. 118 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, Home and always also an amazing training ground in 119 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: a different way. It's you learn the the craft and 120 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: the maintenance and the minutia of the technical side, especially 121 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: because you have very little time to mess up. I 122 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: guess you are getting lines sometimes on the days, some 123 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: ponds on the spot, and you're going through, you know, 124 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: five episodes a week, which mental you know, which is 125 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: some of the fastest shooting in the world. So that's 126 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,559 Speaker 2: where you kind of can refine the technical side for sure. 127 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: And I just I had a really wonderful three and 128 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: a half years on them. 129 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: That's my first memory of you. Yeah, I loved Home 130 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: and Away, Bossie Kid. 131 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. 132 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: So is it then after home and you're like, right, 133 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: I've I've worked done my time, because like the trajectory 134 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: for a lot of Australians that go to America is 135 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: neighbors or Home and Away, And then you're like, I'm 136 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: going to jump the pond. I'm going to be a 137 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: little fish and a ginormous pond. Was that kind of 138 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: your next plan? 139 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: No, my trajectory is a bit different. So I had 140 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: the three seasons of tangle, and the third one was 141 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: in the middle of Home and Away, so it took 142 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: a break to do that, and then came back. And 143 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: then when I finished Home and Away, I did head 144 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: over to LA. Actually I took my mom to Ireland, 145 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: which was really cool. She's part Irish. And then when 146 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: I was leaving Ireland, I got a job back here, 147 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: so I came back and I did love Child's right. 148 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: But you were planning on going to. 149 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: I was planning on going to LA and then fortunately 150 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: I worked here for the next year and a half 151 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: on different things. But it was very funny because it 152 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: was a good lesson in not saying goodbye to all 153 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: your friends. 154 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: You had a big good by party. 155 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: I had a big good bye party, and then I 156 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: was back the following week and everyone was like, oh, 157 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: that was weird. You know. 158 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: For me, I've just got a green card and I 159 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: it took me three thank you, but took me three years. 160 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: And so I was planning a good bye party literally 161 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: for two of those three. It takes so long, right, 162 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: actually get the like if anyone listening, like visas and 163 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: pay workers. 164 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: And visas and green cards and so hard. That stuff 165 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: is incredibly difficult, and it's kind of a facing tail 166 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: a little bit because you can't go over to find 167 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: work without a visa without you can't get a visa 168 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: without work. So there was a lot of times I 169 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: was over there and I get close to a job 170 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 2: and then not have the visa. Yeah, that is one 171 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: of the more difficult sides totally. 172 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: And you talk to a lot of osy actors that like, 173 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: the hardest bit is actually getting yourself there. So okay, 174 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: there are so many excitings that I talked to you 175 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: about because I'm a massive theater nerd as well, and 176 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: so I cann't wait to talk to about that. But 177 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: so you did Love Child? So you did talk Mom 178 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: to Ireland? 179 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: Yep, talk Mom to Island. 180 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: Didn't go to America, came back? 181 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: Did the first season Love Child? Oh it was their 182 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: second season? Yep? Did that went into a show called Hiding? 183 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: Yes, that in my notes? 184 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: And then down Under? 185 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: Did you do it down? 186 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I did Hiding? Then down Under? Then 187 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: Love child three, So there was a yeah, and in 188 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 2: the middle of that, I went back over to LA 189 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: just to kind of touch base. Yeah, And I think 190 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: I remember that because it was the it was the 191 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: evolution of hair. It was like it was like, I 192 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: don't know, sixties hair, blonde, gold coast teen hair, longer, 193 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: hair dyed black, and then back to sixties hair. 194 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: Amaz Yeah, so good, what have I got? I feel 195 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: like I've got surf hair today, Like you've got a 196 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: surf thing going. 197 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: This is the longest I've had my hair ever. 198 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: It feels like it feels surfed. 199 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: To me, it's very surf. It's very surf. 200 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: Okay, so when did you then go? Okay, A lot 201 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: of actors that I admire theater actors as well. I 202 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: want to build my theater, chops. What made you was 203 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: that after an American stint where you're like, Okay, I'm 204 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: coming out to Australia. I need to Yeah. 205 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: So I'd always wanted to do theater. I did it 206 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: at school, and for me, I kind of chase what 207 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: scares me, especially when things aren't shifting, you know, certain 208 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 2: things in my life might not be moving or evolving, 209 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: and I kind of then will Chase what scares the 210 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: hell out of me, and I had found at that point. 211 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: So after I finished Love Child three, I felt like 212 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: I'd done enough here to take a little Hiatis and 213 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: go over to America and try and get my foot 214 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: in the door. And so I went over for two 215 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: different stints, I think, and you're. 216 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: Getting right to the line a few times when. 217 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there was a I mean, it's a story 218 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: that a lot of people have, you know, But yeah, 219 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: I got a couple jobs, then they didn't work out, 220 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: and then I got closed, and essentially I was just 221 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: hemorrhaging money over there because as we all know, yeah, 222 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 2: as we all know, you know, if you don't have 223 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: an income over there or anywhere when you're traveling, it goes. 224 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: So then I had to come back and I had 225 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: I had probably one of the worst years of my life, 226 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 2: I think in terms of just at the time it 227 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: felt like that. But it was just a big year 228 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: of change. There was just a lot of different things 229 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: that were either coming to an end or not going 230 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: the way I thought they would. And so I got 231 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: back and I had very little money, and I kind 232 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: of would get close to jobs here and then wouldn't 233 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: get them, and around that time, I went, I screw 234 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: this just while while, you know, all the things that 235 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: I've known aren't happening the way I thought, I will 236 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: just try and get into theater because that seems just 237 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: as risky as everything else, and it scares me and 238 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: all my friends. A lot of my friends came from theater, 239 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: and a lot of the actors I ad might had 240 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: started in theater, and so I just I really wanted 241 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: to test that side of myself. 242 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: And you got to work with Ian Sinclair, who's one 243 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: of my teachers. Yeah, so I were I trained at 244 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: sixteenth Street and his I'm seeing him very soon. I 245 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: cannot wait. He's one of my favorites teachers. I will 246 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: I will. And Zoe Tarracus has also been on this podcast. 247 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I love love Zoe as well. So 248 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: when I did my research and I saw the review 249 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: From a Bridge, I was like, yeah, was that like 250 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: a just such? You would have learnt so much from Ian? 251 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: And yeah I had. So I did a play prior 252 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: to From the Bridge at Griffin and malt House which 253 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: was called The Homosexuals, and that was satirical farce which was. 254 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: Set in Sydney right in Pott's Points, Sydney. 255 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: And it was just high energy and hilarious and you know, 256 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 2: quite divisive in areas. And that was really wonderful to 257 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: kind of branch out into you know, cam stuff because 258 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: I had many chances to do that. That was a 259 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: lot of fun. And then after that View from the 260 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: Bridge came up and again audition for that, not knowing 261 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: kind of if I'd be right for it, because you know, 262 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: it's a Sicilian immigrant in the nineteen sixties and he 263 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: has to sing and the dialect and the you were Adolpho, right, Yeah, 264 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: I was playing Rudolpho, so I had to learn Sicilian, 265 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: both the dialect back then and the language. And seeing 266 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: a cappella nineteen thirties jazz sung by four black tenors 267 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: back then, so I was kind of like, there's a 268 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: lot here. Yeah. And then Nobby as well, oh you 269 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: would have learned, which I learned. He you know, he's 270 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: the master of kind of American classics. So yeah, it 271 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: was And to do it in a space like the 272 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: Old Fits, where you know, it has so much character, 273 00:14:54,640 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: and to completely change that setting because we made it 274 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: into the round, which normally it's not that and to 275 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: have such a minimalist stage with nothing on it but 276 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: a chair, leaves no room to kind of there's no 277 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: safety nets, which I which really interested me. And it 278 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: was an amazing experience. 279 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: Is it true that Anthony and Lapalia rocked up? Who 280 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: played Eddie in the I mean, were you just. 281 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: Like, oh my, it was pretty surreal. So he played 282 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: it on Broadway. He played Eddie on Broadway of their 283 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: rendition of A View from the Bridge and many moons ago, 284 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: many moons ago, and he was in town shooting something. Anyway. 285 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: One of the final nights, we come on stage from 286 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: the from where the audience had come in, and so 287 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: we're kind of aware of people in the audience before 288 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: we start. I think all of us in the cars 289 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: noticed him sitting on the stairs and it wasn't even 290 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: sitting in a seat because we had extra seating on 291 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: the stairs and he was sitting there. Anyway, that was 292 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: very cool, and he stood up at the end of 293 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: and yeah, we had a lot of really inspiring people 294 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: come and watch, and it was Yeah, it was such 295 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: a good experience for me. 296 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: I asked, this is going to put you on the spot, 297 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: but asked Zoe what one of the biggest takeaways from 298 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: working with Ian was and Zoe said beyond voice, Like 299 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: just beyond voice, where's your voice? 300 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 301 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: What a gift, right, because I think Zoe started working 302 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: with Ian without any training whatsoever. 303 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 304 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: So was there any takeaway that you got? I mean 305 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: there would be so many, but off the top of 306 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: your head. 307 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot of takeaways for everyone 308 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: in the cast. I think for me, how much you 309 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: can fit into silence and stillness. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the 310 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: power of silence and stillness. I've kind of carried beyond 311 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: that in my own life. I think a lot of 312 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: people are uncomfortable with pauses or silence or maybe not 313 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: knowing what to say or how to react. And I 314 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: think in the past I would have jumped to fill 315 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: that silence, that void. 316 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: That a natural reasons. It's a huge to be uncomfortable, Yeah, it's. 317 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: But there's a lot of learning and a lot of 318 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: value in it's just sitting in that. And there was 319 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: a moment in the play which I can say now 320 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: because it's done, but at the very end there's this 321 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: massive kind of climax and it's incredibly chaotic and dramatic, 322 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: and it just cuts to black and usually there's movement 323 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: that indicates to the audience when they're that close that 324 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: it's time to clap. And we just did not move. 325 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 2: Every night. We wouldn't move, and we wouldn't in the life, 326 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: wouldn't come on, and nothing would indicate the end until 327 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: the audience. So the audience, the audience actually cued the ah. 328 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: And so there were some nights where it would go 329 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: for you know, like three to five minutes of them, 330 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: and you'd hear you'd hear people just uncomfortable shuffling doing 331 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: the like one would go to clap and then no 332 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: one would clap with them, or they'd be crying or 333 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: so there was full on yeah, And just sitting in 334 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: that was I was like, Ah, that's how you create 335 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 2: tension in theater, you know. 336 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: Cool? Did you find it hard with theater, like because 337 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: you even breathe that character right like it is you 338 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: and I know it's the same definitely in a different 339 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: way I think for television and film. But how did 340 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: you did you ever feel like I'm bringing too much 341 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: of Ridolfo home with me, like I need to separate, 342 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: like you're a nature kid from what I do. Now. 343 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: Did you have like Zoe talked about sometimes well we 344 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: went with stuff, but like they'd come home and be like, Oh, 345 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: I'm carrying rep with me. I'm carrying this character with 346 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: me too much. Does that ever happen to you or 347 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: less in theater Maybe, I don't know. I just think 348 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: theater feels so to me. It feels so visceral. 349 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: You know, it is it is. And definitely those there 350 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: were some nights that were more elevated or heightened, or 351 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: we hit some kind of synchronicity with the drama and 352 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: the storytelling and the audience, because it is an interplay 353 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: with audience and storytelling, and you do kind of shift 354 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 2: and you should shift with the audience a bit. So 355 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: those kind of nights, Yeah, I would get home and 356 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: there would be either like elation or kind of fatigue, 357 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: or I'd be kind of over. I'd just be adrenaline. 358 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 359 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 2: But look, the method thing is an interesting kind of 360 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: concept with acting. 361 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: I think think I was going to ask what your 362 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: process was like, are you because because you've done so 363 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: much time in America, Yeah, and I've just been there. 364 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: So I've had a couple of American actors on here, 365 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: and they're very heavily into method substitution. Like the chubbic style, 366 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: whereas here my training has all been with Ian so 367 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: clean beat, clean action. 368 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, five points. 369 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: Story like very British style. So but America is like 370 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: you walk onto a set and there's a lot of 371 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: method actors. 372 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't have one kind of style 373 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: or method or technique. I think it changes per job 374 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: and per character. I haven't. I don't feel the need 375 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 2: to be method a lot of the time. Even with 376 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: the American stuff, I would've dropped into my normal accent 377 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: between takes and that that's just the accent side. But 378 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: that made me feel like there was a distinction. 379 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, rounds you too, that was the accent. 380 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: It's very grounding, very grounding, and it puts you know, 381 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: it's hard. It might work for some projects where they're short, 382 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: but to be filming for nine months to a year 383 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: with crew and cast that you're going to be close with, 384 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: that didn't interest me. Not saying it won't one day, 385 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: but for accents that I'm comfortable with, that I was 386 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: happy to change out of. But in terms of the 387 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: character side, I think I think it's really healthy if 388 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: you do go method, to have a way of separating 389 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: that in your own life. I think I think there's 390 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: a danger because sometimes it's not almost it's not always 391 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: the most helpful to a production, and a production is 392 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: a collaboration, and so sometimes it can I feel it 393 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: can be selfish to maybe the people you're working with 394 00:21:54,400 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: if it's not helpful collectively collective. Yeah, you know. So 395 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 2: method can be great, but it can also be in position. 396 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: And I think it's about, like all projects, kind of 397 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: what's best for the story and what's best for the 398 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: final product. 399 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: And I think as well, I'm super pro mental health, 400 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: and I know you are too. Your ten kilometers challenge, congratulate, 401 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I think that any actor needs 402 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: to understand their own psychology because really, at the end 403 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: of the day, good acting is human behavior, right. So 404 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: I just think when you talk about that tough year 405 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: where you had that so many changes, like you probably 406 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: learned so much about yourself and your psychology, and you're 407 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: like the way you are mentally, you know when you 408 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: obviously you need to look back, when you've kind of 409 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: got perspective and you're like, oh, actually, that really crabby 410 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: thing happened because I had to sit with that or 411 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: learn that about myself or face that blind spot. You know, 412 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: Understanding psychology I think is like a non negotiable for 413 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: an actor. That's just my. 414 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's vital because at least for me, 415 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 2: the reason I wanted to be an actor was because 416 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: I had a deep interest in humans and the way 417 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 2: humans worked and thought and acted. And so I think 418 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: if you are too fuzzy in your own psychology and 419 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: you don't understand yourself, then you don't have an objective 420 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: view of different people, and you can sometimes especially with 421 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 2: characters that might appear on page you know horrid or 422 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: you know they may be the villain or they may 423 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: and it just it reduces your scope or your range 424 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: of understanding. Yeah, if you don't have an equilibrium in 425 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: yourself enough to not judge yourself and not judge others 426 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 2: and not judge the character. So I think having as 427 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: the time in between jobs is really about learning about 428 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: yourself because then when you do have a job, which 429 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: is a wonderful time, you can immerse yourself in it 430 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: without risk and without potentially it being debilitative. 431 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: Like yeah, that makes sense, total, total sense. Okay, I've 432 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: got to ask about Grand Hotel because that the audition 433 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: process and the like, how quickly you had to be 434 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: in Miami sounds like such a crazy turnaround. And can 435 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: you share a little bit about the so I think 436 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: you self tape you're in Australia when your self. 437 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the backstory with that. Again, this industry, you 438 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: don't know how things will work, but I do think 439 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: that if you keep doing the right thing or is 440 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: you know, keep doing the work, eventually it will come along. 441 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 2: You know, whatever it needs to be will come along. 442 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: So for me, i'd finished you from the bridge. There 443 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: was another season at Glenn Street, but in between that 444 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 2: was the Christmas hol I left my reps over in America, 445 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: which was a hard decision because they were, you know, 446 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: they were on page excellent and they were during the time. 447 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: But that kind of experiment didn't work after a while, 448 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: and I needed to. I felt like I needed to 449 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: reclaim my own independence and power and I was losing that. 450 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 2: So then I did what I feel like a few 451 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: people do. I just went to Europe over the holidays. 452 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 2: I'll just spend the money I've got and go to 453 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: Europe because that feels like the right thing to do. 454 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: And I did, and it was wonderful, and I got 455 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: back and did a week at Glenn Street and this audition. Oh, 456 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: a slew of auditions came up. 457 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was like a big Netflix thing or something, I. 458 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: Think, Yeah, there was about there was about eight to 459 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: ten auditions in four days, which was a lot. And 460 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 2: you know, as actors listening to this will know, those 461 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 2: kind of auditions can be anywhere from eight to twenty 462 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: five pages each, so it's a lot. And I got 463 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: to the last one, which was Grand Hotel, and I 464 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: had felt like I'd done a great job of the 465 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: other stuff and I just didn't want to kind of 466 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: not do a good job, so I almost canceled it 467 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: and I'll sleep on it and woke up the next 468 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: morning and just quickly tried to learn it and I 469 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 2: went into the casting room did it. They sent the 470 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 2: tape over and it was Kirsty McGregor, who was a 471 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: great champion of mine and she I have heard a 472 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: thank in a big way because she fought for me 473 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: to get the role, unbeknownst to me at the time. 474 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: And then didn't you. 475 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: Do your audition down the barrel or the camera or 476 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: something halfway through? Yeah, which is pretty ballsy. 477 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: Like oh yeah, because I was kind of like one 478 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: attitude I've kind of tried to adopt in the last 479 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: couple of years is because you can do so many 480 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: you do so many auditions if you're lucky enough to 481 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: have that opportunity, and when you do, the strike raider 482 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: is usually very very low. So to stop yourself becoming 483 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 2: deenergized or jaded or you know, cynical about this stuff, 484 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: I just honestly tried to look at it at being 485 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: grateful every time it would come along, because it's a 486 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: chance to perform. It's a chance a chance for someone 487 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 2: hopefully to what you perform, and that's that's quite a pleasure. 488 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: Like that's a great thing. And so in saying that, 489 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 2: I yeah, I started doing tapes in a way that 490 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: I would enjoy doing it and I would enjoy watching it. 491 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: And it's maybe a bit different, but that gives me 492 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 2: energy rather than just trying to do the same you know, 493 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 2: the way it is on the page or whatever. So 494 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: you at the time, I was like, I'm gonna barrel 495 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: the camera because that seems really fun and it kind 496 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: of worked. 497 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: So as a tree you got once you got the role, 498 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: like thirty hours later, you were. 499 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a call on Sunday, like of all, 500 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: which is that doesn't happen. So I got it from 501 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: an agent and I I was helping a friend with 502 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: the tape at the time, and I walked out the 503 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: back and it was like hi, and Natasha Harrison, who's 504 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: my agent at United, she called and said, hey, so 505 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: I got good news and I went okay, and she 506 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: said you got this job and I went, wait that 507 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: job because that was that was the one that thought, oh, totally, totally. 508 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: I walked out. I remember texting my friend and I said, well, 509 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: that was a big ball of average. Yeah, so you 510 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: don't always know. And then I was on a flight 511 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: I think a couple of days later, I went to Miami, 512 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: shot the pilot, shot the pilot. 513 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: Eva Long Area. 514 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 515 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: Is she amazing? 516 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: Oh she's incredible. She is. She is proof that you 517 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: can have success, have fame, have all the things in 518 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: the world and still be an incredibly lovely. 519 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: Magnanimous, heavily pregnant. 520 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: Once. She was when we yeah so when and she 521 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: directed the third episode of Grand Hotel, which after we 522 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: got picked up, was the first episode back. Yeah so, 523 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: and she was very pregnant and just being a boss 524 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: and just directing everyone in typical Eva style, if you know, 525 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: she just went and had the baby, was texting from 526 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: you know, roam, and then was back on set and 527 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: with her little bub Amazing. Yeah, she's quite amazing. 528 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah that so I haven't seen it, but I've watched 529 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: the trailer. I've watched a lot of cast interviews. It 530 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: looks like it was so much fun. 531 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: It was so much fun. It was a really good 532 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: kind of heightened murder mystery, which I really enjoyed watching 533 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: and doing. And it was there were so many moments 534 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: in that that was surreal. And I mean they built 535 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: the entire hotel in a studio after the pilot, Like. 536 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: So the pilot in Miami, but the rest was the. 537 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: Part was shot in the Fountain Blue in Miami, which 538 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: is a very famous hotel and it's no you know, 539 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: Sinatra had a residency there and it's just it's iconic. 540 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 541 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: And then we got picked up, which. 542 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: Chance I heard you say in another interview. 543 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: Very it's very rare to get picked up in a pilot. 544 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: So that that's why you'll see a lot of pilots 545 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: be made, but then very few get picked up. 546 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: Wow. 547 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: And so that was That was the best call of 548 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: my life, I think. Actually, yeah, that was amazing. Anyway, 549 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: four months later they built the hotel in a studio 550 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: in Manhattan Beach. 551 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: Now, oh wow, so it's. 552 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: Very weird and Star Wars was shooting next door and 553 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: Avatar was shooting on the other side, and it just 554 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: like I was in my way to outfit, going what's 555 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: going on? 556 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: How fun? Though, Like there's la like, oh so exciting. 557 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: So then talk to me about Lost Boys, because it 558 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: wasn't what you like, literally really set your your scene 559 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: was the next day and everything got shut down with 560 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: COVID something or your your first scene of the was 561 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: it a movie remake? 562 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: No actual series? There's a real bummer. Yeah. That so 563 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: Lost Boys it's. 564 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: Like a nineteen eighty seven movie. 565 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 2: Iconic, Yeah, iconic. I loved it growing up. It's it's 566 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: what made vampires cool, right, and it is such a 567 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: cult classic. It's super edgy and just really really cool. 568 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: And Kiva Sutherland is the iconic vampire. So he's this sociopathic, 569 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: kind of super charismatic but so cottic vampire, which I've 570 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: wanted to play for ages, just to have the kind 571 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: of not villain. Yeah, kind of villain role anyway, So 572 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: there was there was a world wide casting for that 573 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: and there was a lot of stages and eventually got 574 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: the role and then went to North Carolina, which was 575 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: a dream and was there for a month in pre 576 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: production and then COVID Yeah, and then yeah, we got 577 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: shut down ten hours before stuff, which Yeah, it's a bummer. 578 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: It's a real bummer. 579 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: Because it sounded like it sounds like there's a lot 580 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: of articles on it. 581 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: It's going to be very, very cool. And the director, 582 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: the showrunner was Rob Thomas who created like Zombie and 583 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 2: Veronica Marsh And the director is Marcos Diego who did 584 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: Dexter and True Blood. Oh wow, and he just actually 585 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: directed the revamp of Dexter. 586 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 587 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 588 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: So look, has it been put on ice or you 589 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: don't know. 590 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: I think it's probably done unfortunately. 591 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: So but I've got to say, like, then, you've come 592 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: back to Australia and you have not stopped like Doctor Doctor. Yeah, 593 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: I have actually watched you on Doctor Doctor in this 594 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: room on the projector because we were watching one episode. Yeah, 595 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: because Jane looks after so many of the actors and 596 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: and I was like home and away days and that's 597 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: when I feel like the put everything together. That must 598 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: be such a fun, look. 599 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: I I Chara, it was. It was really fun. More 600 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: so the the cast and crew like they were because 601 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: they've done so many seasons of it. They are so 602 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 2: friendly and welcoming and wonderful. And when I got back 603 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: from La, so after Lost Boys, there was a I 604 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: was waiting in LA for about seven months, six months contractually, 605 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: and there was the civil war that kind of happened there, 606 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: and there was a lot of stuff I won't go 607 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: into here, but it just was the most one of 608 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: the most traumatic times over there, which it was for 609 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: a lot of people, but it was psycho And so 610 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 2: when I got back, I had I needed to kind 611 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: of decompress and and you know the hotel quarantine and 612 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: then got out mine recently. Did you have fresh air? 613 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: My windows opened this much? 614 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: Take it? Take it? 615 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: I would every day. 616 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: I just I just yeah, totally. But you know that's okay. 617 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 2: People have worse story. 618 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: I think it's a once in a lifetime. It can 619 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: never happened again. 620 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: I I to be honest. Apart from the lack of 621 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: fresh air, I really needed it when I got back, 622 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: and I was quite I was pretty weird when I 623 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 2: got back because I hadn't I just hadn't seen anyone 624 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: in like six months, because you. 625 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: Would have been in a lockdown in America, right. 626 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: Totally, totally, So I didn't see anyone for like one 627 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: hundred days. And then in that time I kind of 628 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: created this workout group, which because I had a few 629 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: friends get COVID and they got really unfit and were sick, 630 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 2: and so I started this kind of workout group for them, 631 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: and then it grew and then it became this community, 632 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 2: but it was all online, so good, and then started 633 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 2: seeing a couple of friends towards you. Ended that and 634 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 2: then I went on a road trip all this crazy stuff. 635 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 2: Having the road trip, I got back, I got on 636 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 2: a plane, went into quarantine, and then got out and 637 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: Australia was like what's going on? And I was like, ah, 638 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 2: why are you near me right? Why are you talking 639 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 2: to me here? Yeah, So it took about three months 640 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 2: to come down from that and to be able to 641 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 2: film in a place like Mudgi and there was such 642 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: a kind crew. It was really healing. 643 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: Australia's superheeling. I've only been in America for six months, 644 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 1: but someone said to me right before I came back, 645 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: what are you most looking forward to? And I was like, safety, 646 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: You take it such for grant, like just being able 647 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: to go for a hike anytime of the day, or 648 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: like if you want to walk down barefoot to the shops, 649 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: you can walk down barefoot to the shop. 650 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: Or in ugboots as I've been fine. I discovered ugboots 651 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: recently and I haven't stopped wearing. 652 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: I actually read an interview with you where someone said 653 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: the question was like, what's your must like watching TV 654 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: show things? And you're like, odd boots, popcorn, popcorn with 655 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: coconut oil. 656 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and ta heene, which is what's seasoning? Uh, it's 657 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 2: a I think it's a Mexican lime chilli. Oh my god. Yeah, 658 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: which your next girlfriend of mine showed me this combination 659 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 2: and it. 660 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: Was it's amazing on popcorn, on popcorn, bring it up. 661 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 2: I should try it in this room where you're watching. 662 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: It's honestly signed me up. That's great. Yeah. 663 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: So okay, so you've decompressed, you've taken in all, taken 664 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: up all the aussy healing vibes. Doctor doctor comes along, 665 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: and it just seemed like I think I watched one 666 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: of your first epps, and it just seemed like you 667 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: were just you. It felt so easy to watch. Thanks, No, 668 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you feel like that, 669 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: Like it was just like a family kind of it. 670 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 2: It was like an antidope to a lot of the 671 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 2: things going on in the world. So it was incredibly 672 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,959 Speaker 2: It was an incredibly easy shoe in the best way. Yeah, 673 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 2: there wasn't too much to navigate. 674 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: So but I hear you've got so many other projects going, 675 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: like speaking of the surf air Barns nineteen seventies and 676 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: the seventies. 677 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: Surf yeap, So I can't say too much, but essentially, 678 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 2: I'm playing an American pro surfer in the nineteen seventies. 679 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, but what about that? Sounds amazing. 680 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 2: It's really cool. It's really really cool. I'm really excited 681 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: for people to see it. And it has been four 682 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: months of the best experience I've ever had on a set. 683 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: Have you We've wrapped. 684 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: We wrapped about a month ago, and to have that 685 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: during lockdown was such a god sound. 686 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you'd be in the ocean it's. 687 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 2: My favorite place, which I will say in theory was great, 688 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: But it was winter, it was the height of winter. 689 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 2: But I, yeah, I hope you like it. I think 690 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 2: it will be something very sure. 691 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: And you have another so after the Verdict that's coming 692 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: out next year as well. 693 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 2: Right, probably around the same time as Baron's. But I 694 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 2: start filming that, start rehearsing in a few days, and 695 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 2: then start filming in a couple of weeks. 696 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: You haven't stopped. 697 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 2: Literally, it's it's a it's a good time right now. 698 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 2: But but yeah, not always like that. 699 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: So do you intend not going back to America when 700 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: it comes down? 701 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will go back because I feel like, you know, 702 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 2: a lot of my life is still there, and in 703 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 2: a perfect world, I would love to kind of straddle 704 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 2: Australia and America because I'd happily dream is the dream 705 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 2: and I'd happily work here constantly if there were consistent jobs. 706 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll finish after the verdict and then there's 707 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: a there's a couple of things which might go but 708 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 2: also other kind of ventures I'd like to pursue around 709 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 2: that time, and then once that's done, I'll head back 710 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 2: to the States. 711 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: And your name Bess for boss, is that right? I've 712 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: saw the photos amazing you. That's really exciting to. 713 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Hugo Boss team are wonderful, so I was 714 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: very happy that they got me on as their ambassador, 715 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 2: especially when I had a massive beard and Jesus here 716 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 2: it worked. 717 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: They gave you like a little man but work. So 718 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: I have you trained with Anthony Mindel? Is that why 719 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: you did his? 720 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 2: Like? 721 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: Did he get you on? 722 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 2: I had a lot of friends kind of trained with him, 723 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 2: loved him, loved him and he loves and he I guess, 724 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 2: same circles and whatnot. So we became so good. 725 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: He's so good and his less method is just like 726 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: get out of your head in the moment. 727 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 2: I did a little bit just to kind of see 728 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 2: what he was talking about, and it's basically creating on 729 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 2: the spot, which is a is a wonderful exercise and 730 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 2: I think it really helps because things do change on 731 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 2: set that you couldn't pay for, and you to be 732 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 2: able to have that skill to just go with something 733 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 2: is quite useful. But yeah, he's a lovely man and 734 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 2: I've ordered him. 735 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: A little bit and I love how he's like keep 736 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: your sides like He's. 737 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, which you can't do, which you can't 738 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 2: do on a set, but it is it is. It's 739 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: very helpful. I think, especially about what I was saying before, 740 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 2: you do kind of get this fatigue. I think when 741 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 2: you audition a lot, or you don't audition. 742 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: A lot, and then you put so many. 743 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 2: Exits, so much to an audition, and it's it's it's 744 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 2: kind of the beauty and the curse of acting in 745 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 2: this industry is that you can just you can be 746 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: absolutely perfect for all. You can give them, perfect read, 747 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 2: you can know somebody involved, you can do all the things. 748 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 2: You can see signs Like I remember auditioning for something 749 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 2: and I saw just randomly the name on the side 750 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 2: of a bus on the way home, and I was like, ah, 751 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 2: that means something, and it didn't. Yeah, but it's all 752 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 2: these meanings. 753 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: You know what that is though? In psychology it's it's 754 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: called it's literally cool. Yeah. But your brain gets sticky 755 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: for something when it wants it. It's like when you 756 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: break up with someone. You see X's car everywhere. It's this, 757 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: Like psychologist, I think they call it sticky and yes, 758 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: say you do this audition for like something Warner Brothers. 759 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: Next minute, all you're seeing is Warner Brothers things. It's 760 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 1: it's like your brain right, I can talk about brains 761 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: alder me too. 762 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 2: Me too. But but then the other side of it 763 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 2: is sometimes you might not think you're right at all, 764 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 2: and you might have you know, I thought you did 765 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 2: a terrible audition, or you might have done something something whatever, 766 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 2: and you might get the wrong and it's because someone 767 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 2: saw what you didn't see. So you're not always right 768 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 2: and you're not always wrong totally. All you can do 769 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 2: is keep going. 770 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: I heard you say in the Anthony podcast, and I 771 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: love it because I just think it's such a good 772 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,359 Speaker 1: little mantras, stay in you lane, you're like, listen, I'm 773 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 1: listening to a lot of hip hop at the moment, 774 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: and I think it's just so handy, especially when especially 775 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: in the Australian acting well, because it can be so 776 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: The difference I know is studying in Australia, you'll put 777 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: a scene up, say for an E in class, and 778 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: no one will really clap right, but that's fine. You 779 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: know you're being sized up. 780 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 2: Though. 781 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: In America you put a scene up, but Charbeek or 782 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: whatever school you're at, everyone chears the second that you 783 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: get off, So there's this less I guess it's because 784 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,919 Speaker 1: there's so much more opportunity over there, and so there's 785 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: less you know, Oh, I don't want I think. 786 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 2: I think it's it's about discernment and it's about what 787 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 2: you place value in. So okay, if you because I 788 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 2: agree with what you just said, which can be it 789 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 2: can missdirect, it can be a misdirect either way. Yeah, 790 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 2: something something You can make it out to be so 791 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 2: big or so small, and that can be unhealthy or 792 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 2: it can be healthy totally. But I think what I've 793 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 2: found really helpful is at the end of the day 794 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 2: coming back to, you know, listening to people I really 795 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 2: respect and respect their judgment and objectivity, and listening to 796 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 2: what I think is a good version of what I 797 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 2: can offer. And if I delivered that, that's really all 798 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 2: I can hope for happy days. Yeah, you could just 799 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 2: you could break down things into oblivion trying to understand 800 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 2: and sometimes you just won't understand so at least which 801 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 2: which you know is a freeing concept. Or it can 802 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 2: be quite Yeah, it can kind of bring you down. 803 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 2: But the point is if you set out to do 804 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 2: something that you have set yourself and you achieve that. 805 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: Great, Oh I love it. Stay in your lane, lane link. 806 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day. You are an 807 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: absolute legend that I'm so excited for the future for you. 808 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch the rest of your career 809 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: unfold and hopefull I'll see you in La soon. Wow, 810 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: we'll have. 811 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 2: A smoothie in a latte or something. 812 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: Something with the mushrooms, the hell things they've got over there. 813 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my friend. You're wonderful. 814 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 2: You are. 815 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 816 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 817 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: on Instagram. 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