Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on cameragle Land. Hi guys, and
Speaker 1: welcome back to an episode of Life Uncut.
Speaker 2: I'm Laura, I'm Brittany.
Speaker 3: We have all just come back from Melbourne for the
Speaker 3: weekend where we all had very very different weekends.
Speaker 4: We had the same weekend with different experiences. We all
Speaker 4: went down to the F One.
Speaker 1: It was definitely different.
Speaker 4: We went to the Grand Prix, which where well, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't want to speak on behalf of you, Laura.
Speaker 4: I'm currently obsessed with the F One. I was obsessed
Speaker 4: before I went because I got sucked into watching Drive
Speaker 4: to Survive, which is the documentary on the F One.
Speaker 4: If you guys haven't seen it, I recommended it a
Speaker 4: few weeks ago. It's I completely forgot that it was
Speaker 4: your vibe as well. I haven't seen it yet, but
Speaker 4: I should watch that.
Speaker 5: I alsuly think it's funny that it's called a documentary,
Speaker 5: which I know it is actually listed as a documentary,
Speaker 5: but to me, it seems a lot more like reality TV.
Speaker 1: PR propaganda.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't I actually wouldn't say it's propaganda.
Speaker 1: It's properly a bit strong.
Speaker 5: You get my point, I don't to me, a documentary
Speaker 5: isn't as interesting, so I see why they would make
Speaker 5: it into something that's a bit more thrilling.
Speaker 2: That's weird. Documentaries are so interesting. You love documentaries.
Speaker 5: I like the way that Netflix now make documentaries which
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think are documentaries.
Speaker 1: I think it's an opinion of a story, which is
Speaker 1: what I think the drive to survive it.
Speaker 3: I think they've done a very good job from what
Speaker 3: I've heard of sprinkling like a little bit of like
Speaker 3: Desperate Housewives or whatever it's called in there.
Speaker 2: It's like like the Kimon not Desperate Housewives. Real house
Speaker 2: watched the whole series. Let me tell you about it,
Speaker 2: Real Housewives of the track.
Speaker 1: It's what is spread Housewives? Please don't come for me.
Speaker 4: What it does, and I think it's brilliant. I think
Speaker 4: it's doing a great thing for sport. Every single individual sport,
Speaker 4: if you haven't noticed, are releasing their own documentaries basketball, football, golf,
Speaker 4: whatever it is they're putting a documentary and it's making
Speaker 4: the sport grow to completely new levels.
Speaker 2: Even when we saw like the Aussie Matilda's.
Speaker 4: What it's doing is just creating another level of connection,
Speaker 4: another parasocial relationship, where the second that you feel connected
Speaker 4: to anything in anyone it's like the number one marketing
Speaker 4: tool for any business. It doesn't matter whether your jewelry,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter whether you're Coca cola. It's forming a connection.
Speaker 4: So people are getting to know these athletes and these drivers.
Speaker 4: There are parts of the story where they're talking about
Speaker 4: his father passing away and how he wanted to complete
Speaker 4: this race and get into the F one from F
Speaker 4: two before his dad died, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you're connected and you fall in love with the journey
Speaker 4: in the process, and then you love the sport because
Speaker 4: you love the person. I think it was done brilliantly
Speaker 4: and that is why we've seen bigger crowds than ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very evident.
Speaker 3: This year was like the most incredible turnout for the
Speaker 3: Formula One and like we went a few years ago
Speaker 3: and don't get me wrong, like I absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: Like we had such a great time.
Speaker 3: I say it was a different experience because I took
Speaker 3: my children and you guys were off like being at
Speaker 3: a sip champagne in a box where and I was
Speaker 3: on a ferris wheel, which they had a great time
Speaker 3: and it was a fan, I reckon I had the
Speaker 3: number one view of the entire race course.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's a different experience when you do
Speaker 1: things with your kids first, when you get to have
Speaker 1: a babysitter. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It was a choice you made. I don't know where
Speaker 2: to go that was. That was your choice. I had
Speaker 2: a great one.
Speaker 1: Your choice.
Speaker 5: Just on that thing that you were saying about it
Speaker 5: becoming more popular, Brere, I listened to a podcast and
Speaker 5: I thought, this is so interesting. So this is in
Speaker 5: North America alone, so I don't know about worldwide stats,
Speaker 5: but apparently the streaming rights of the Formula one used
Speaker 5: to be sold for about five million dollars per year.
Speaker 5: That has increased to seventy five million dollars per year.
Speaker 5: So that gives you a bit of a scale of
Speaker 5: like the popularity, and I know that whenever this happens.
Speaker 5: I also think it happens with bands when they become
Speaker 5: into the pop culture space and people are like, I
Speaker 5: was an original fan. You didn't like them back when
Speaker 5: I did. I feel like that's happening to the F
Speaker 5: One now, where people are like, no, I was into
Speaker 5: this before all of you blow ins go into it
Speaker 5: because a net which is fair, Yeah, which is totally fair.
Speaker 3: No, But also, I mean we were talking about it before,
Speaker 3: and I think it's an important point. For so long,
Speaker 3: so many sports were inaccessible to women, like they really were,
Speaker 3: and I think things like having a docu series that
Speaker 3: also creates.
Speaker 1: An emotional connection.
Speaker 3: It's not just about the sport or the intricacies of
Speaker 3: the sport, but it's about the people. That's something that
Speaker 3: as and I don't want to stereotype, but I would
Speaker 3: say that as women, we have like a deep connection
Speaker 3: for and enjoy the storytelling element of it, and it
Speaker 3: allows people to get into a sport that's probably for
Speaker 3: a very long time felt quite utherly or arbitrary and
Speaker 3: not accessible to a lot of women. So like when
Speaker 3: sport was only catering to a specific gender population and
Speaker 3: now it's opened itself up across the spectrum. It just
Speaker 3: shows how that's influencing the spectator numbers and influencing the
Speaker 3: experience of people there.
Speaker 1: Like it was.
Speaker 3: Truly, it was a phenomenal weekend. I know you guys
Speaker 3: have seen so many photos and stuff across social media,
Speaker 3: but it was a very very cool.
Speaker 1: Experience to be a part of it.
Speaker 4: Just one last thing I want to say is about
Speaker 4: the connection and things like I'm so deep into the
Speaker 4: fin right now, and my whole algorithm now is spitting
Speaker 4: out weddings and f one.
Speaker 2: But Lewis Hamilton, who everyone knows that name, right.
Speaker 4: He's one of the well I think he is the
Speaker 4: greatest race car driver of all time. If he's not,
Speaker 4: he's up there. His story, you cannot not love him.
Speaker 4: Like his story of growing up as a kid, super
Speaker 4: super poor. His dad so determined to give him what
Speaker 4: he needed.
Speaker 2: To be a race car driver.
Speaker 4: He got him in his go kart that was like
Speaker 4: not secondhand or third hand, fifth hand.
Speaker 2: He put it back together, he painted it, he wrote
Speaker 2: his numbers on it. He had to work three jobs
Speaker 2: for ten years.
Speaker 4: He went to work at like four am in the
Speaker 4: morning for his first job, and he would get home
Speaker 4: really late at night to give everything to Lewis and
Speaker 4: seeing their connection and when they talked about that story
Speaker 4: and knowing that it all paid off and he became
Speaker 4: one of the greatest drivers of all time.
Speaker 2: That is what sucks.
Speaker 4: People into being connected, because you're like you are there
Speaker 4: for their journey.
Speaker 1: He's a hero story.
Speaker 2: It's a hero story.
Speaker 4: But when you see that stuff, you follow the sport
Speaker 4: just as much for the sport as much for the person.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what has happened to me with
Speaker 4: the F one is I really got sucked into their
Speaker 4: individual stories, which made me love the sport, if that
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Brittany is now a bonafide redhead.
Speaker 2: Also, I grofat you with my dad.
Speaker 3: I also just want to say, like, this is not
Speaker 3: a paid ambassador, No it's not. I just love it
Speaker 3: for the osgipay.
Speaker 1: We just had a really really great weekend, genuinely a
Speaker 1: great weekend.
Speaker 4: But what one thing I did do has nothing to
Speaker 4: do with the F one, but Keisha and I had
Speaker 4: to go. Keisha long story short, has an infected toe.
Speaker 4: It's probably gonna fall off. She broke a toe with
Speaker 4: a coffee machine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if it's broken, but I dropped
Speaker 5: a coffee group head just in the wrong spot. I
Speaker 5: don't understand how it caused this much pain, but a
Speaker 5: lot of life is thank you to them. They reached
Speaker 5: out and told me that I needed to do this
Speaker 5: thing where you like, I'm not going to go into
Speaker 5: the graphics of it, but released the pressure from my
Speaker 5: toes so.
Speaker 1: That you put a hole in your toenail, yeah, a
Speaker 1: melted one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine. I mean you don't have to go
Speaker 3: to those details. Could just say a hole in your time,
Speaker 3: don't let the pressure come out.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 5: And so my time at the f one was so
Speaker 5: chai hi is such low lows because I was in
Speaker 5: so much pain and like hobbling around, but I wanted
Speaker 5: to be there so badly that I was like, I'm
Speaker 5: just trying to ignore the fact that I can see
Speaker 5: my heart beat in my toe like I.
Speaker 1: Can see the poles.
Speaker 4: I did have Keisha's foot on my lap a lot
Speaker 4: of the time because I was like, elevate your foot,
Speaker 4: that her ranky little foot had to go up on
Speaker 4: my legs.
Speaker 1: Why don't you ever let me put my foot on
Speaker 1: your legs because Keisha's was a coffee ground.
Speaker 2: Keisha's was life or death. We were gonna amputate her foot.
Speaker 3: At one point, I do have to say, never in
Speaker 3: my life have I received so many unsolicited foot pigs.
Speaker 3: But it was just like a constant stream of updates
Speaker 3: from Keisha in the group chat over the weekend of feet,
Speaker 3: and it did come to a point where I was like,
Speaker 3: please stop giving this content away for free.
Speaker 1: People will pay for this only feet account.
Speaker 2: No one is paying for this foot picture the scabby
Speaker 2: on social media.
Speaker 1: Go to life on cut It'll be there.
Speaker 4: She said it to me originally, and I was like,
Speaker 4: it's the pedicure for me because I'm half a pedicure on.
Speaker 1: Because there's shellac still left on my toes, shelac. I
Speaker 1: feel I could survive a world war.
Speaker 2: I just don't.
Speaker 5: It's too sensitive to try and get the shellacc off.
Speaker 5: So there's sheilac on half of my toe. It is
Speaker 5: actually the most rank thing about anyway. I don't want
Speaker 5: to keep talking about my toe. It's disgusting, but I
Speaker 5: have got medical treatment for it now.
Speaker 2: Well, my point of the story was congratulations.
Speaker 4: Keisha and I went to we had to get up early,
Speaker 4: and we went down to Chemi's warehouse. We're like, let's
Speaker 4: go get you some any biotics now, I'm sorry. Chemra's
Speaker 4: warehouse to me is like Bunnings. It is like you
Speaker 4: have a field Dane there. You walk out of there
Speaker 4: with so much stuff.
Speaker 3: You walk in there for antibiotics and you walk out
Speaker 3: with like a hair scout, massage, body brush.
Speaker 2: I left Kisha.
Speaker 4: I left Kisher at the prescription area and I was
Speaker 4: going down the aisle and I knew that I needed
Speaker 4: to get a new.
Speaker 2: Well I didn't need to, but I needed any electric toothbrushes.
Speaker 1: You needed one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because the head was gross on mine anyway,
Speaker 4: So I went down the can.
Speaker 1: Just buy the bit. You don't have to buy a
Speaker 1: whole new one.
Speaker 2: Well that's what I did.
Speaker 4: I bought the bit, but I couldn't find them anyway.
Speaker 4: So I went down the aisle until there was like
Speaker 4: weirdly limited staff.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're on smoko.
Speaker 5: It was Sunday morning and it was like nine o'clock
Speaker 5: that just opened.
Speaker 2: So I went down the isisland.
Speaker 4: I saw one of the guys I was working there,
Speaker 4: and he was like rearranging. He was in the protein aisle,
Speaker 4: like you know, it was a protein guy. So he
Speaker 4: was like rearranging all the bars and the protein powders.
Speaker 2: And so I went up to him and I said.
Speaker 4: Hey, do you know where the electric toothbrushes up? And
Speaker 4: he's like, no, I don't, sorry, and I said okay.
Speaker 2: He just turned around. I was like, well, do you
Speaker 2: mind finding out for me? And he turns around. He's like,
Speaker 2: I don't work here, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm so sorry. I thought you were
Speaker 4: rearranging the protein powder. That's why I asked. He's like,
Speaker 4: I am, I'm just trying to find my flavor. And
Speaker 4: I was like, my mistake.
Speaker 2: I just walked.
Speaker 1: Had a good day to you, sir.
Speaker 2: I was like, you have a protein field daser. I
Speaker 2: was so embarrassed.
Speaker 5: It like shuffles up to me. I'm waiting ships and
Speaker 5: she's like, we need to leave, we need to get
Speaker 5: out of here. And I was like, I gotta wait
Speaker 5: for my prescription, like because I was.
Speaker 2: Just like, how rude was He just fully.
Speaker 4: Turned He's like, no, sorry, turned around and I was like, cool,
Speaker 4: do you mind asking?
Speaker 2: You ask?
Speaker 1: You go ask?
Speaker 3: Was there anything about his person like or what he
Speaker 3: was wearing, Like was he wearing a Temist Warehouse T shirt?
Speaker 2: Like he actually was not.
Speaker 4: No, but he was wearing a polo shirt that was
Speaker 4: quite tight because he had muscles.
Speaker 2: That was irrelevant of the story. You're wearing a polo shirt.
Speaker 2: So from side on as I was walking down, it
Speaker 2: looked like it could have been a work polo shirt.
Speaker 2: But it turns out he wasn't. He was probably on
Speaker 2: his way to his own job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this reminds me.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like everyone's had mistaken identity moments
Speaker 3: in their life, but this reminds me of when I
Speaker 3: was walking down the main street in Paddington, like near
Speaker 3: five Ways if anyone's from Sydney, and I was walking
Speaker 3: down there and I had a coffee in hand, and
Speaker 3: I was like, just go on about my day, and
Speaker 3: then I saw a girl who was a customer of mine,
Speaker 3: or at least I thought she was.
Speaker 1: She kind of looked at me and then I looked
Speaker 1: at her and I was like, hey, babe, how.
Speaker 2: Are you going.
Speaker 1: Couldn't really remember replace it.
Speaker 3: I couldn't place it, but I was like, I think
Speaker 3: she's a Tony made customer.
Speaker 1: And she just looked at me kind of weird.
Speaker 3: And then as I got closer, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's Natalie and Broulian. I don't love it's not my customer.
Speaker 2: Are you torn? No, hey babe, are you naked on
Speaker 2: the floor?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: No, that's not it.
Speaker 3: Crying yeah I was. But anyway, well, look I have
Speaker 3: a random update for you guys. It's not a happy
Speaker 3: positive exciting one, but it is kind of a bit
Speaker 3: of an advocate for your own health conversation, which I
Speaker 3: think is an important one to have. So a couple
Speaker 3: of months ago, in September, actually it was last year,
Speaker 3: I'd had like a lot of just niggling discomfort, which
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would put down to
Speaker 3: like period pain and like that kind of.
Speaker 4: Annoyances, you know, Like I feel like it's so common
Speaker 4: to feel discomfort down there.
Speaker 3: Totally down there, like we're not allowed to say it,
Speaker 3: and like, okay, this is too much information for you guys,
Speaker 3: but like when do we have a hold back after
Speaker 3: having sex? I would feel that kind of pain in
Speaker 3: my sight a bit, and it was not overwhelmingly painful,
Speaker 3: but it was just kind of annoying.
Speaker 2: It's not that big doesn't stab here hitting my lungs,
Speaker 2: and so like I was getting chest pain into sex,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 4: Just thought my throat was tickling, and then I was
Speaker 4: getting like a headache my brain.
Speaker 3: I think you went all the way it gave me asthma. No,
Speaker 3: I just had a bit of pain in my side. Anyway,
Speaker 3: this has been going on for like quite a few months,
Speaker 3: and I didn't really you know, with that type of
Speaker 3: like niggling annoyances, you often just put it off and
Speaker 3: put it off because you're like, oh, it'll.
Speaker 2: Go away, and also like standard woman.
Speaker 3: Totally and then it didn't go away anyway. I ended
Speaker 3: up going to my GP, who preferred me to go
Speaker 3: and get an ultrasound, and in September they when they
Speaker 3: did the first ultrasound, they found that I had a
Speaker 3: five centimeter cyst on my ovary, which they weren't like
Speaker 3: too alarmed about. They were like, yeah, it's kind of big,
Speaker 3: but it's not so big that we need to do
Speaker 3: anything about it.
Speaker 2: It's not small, Like five centimeters is not small.
Speaker 3: No, it's not small, but it's like, I guess it's
Speaker 3: kind of just. The response to it was more like
Speaker 3: a just wait and see and keep coming back and checking.
Speaker 3: The reason why I wanted to talk about this is
Speaker 3: because I feel like, and I know that so many
Speaker 3: women experience this, Like if you have endometriosis or PC
Speaker 3: aware so whatever else going on in your life, the
Speaker 3: healthcare system around accessibility when you have something wrong with
Speaker 3: you from a gynecological sense, the weight times are so
Speaker 3: obnoxiously long, so for me to get in to go
Speaker 3: and see a gynocologist to specifically see about an ovarian
Speaker 3: cyst that's not deemed as high high risk. The weight
Speaker 3: was like six to eight months, right, So we've been
Speaker 3: keeping a track on it so far, and it's now
Speaker 3: at eight centimeters and I'm in a lot of constant
Speaker 3: discomfort with it. And so I went for my scan
Speaker 3: yesterday and it's now an eight centimetersyst, which seems pretty dramatic.
Speaker 3: And it was the first time getting a scan where
Speaker 3: actually someone seemed to be as alarmed about it as
Speaker 3: what I've been. And for me, it was a very
Speaker 3: validating feeling, not because I want anyone to be like
Speaker 3: stressed out about it. You know, I'm not losing sleep
Speaker 3: about it, but I'm in constant discomfort and have just
Speaker 3: become so used to that being normal when it shouldn't
Speaker 3: be normal, and it's very fucking frustrating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking of that, I had a friend call me
Speaker 4: a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: We were supposed to go on.
Speaker 4: A little vac soon, and she's like, I can't go.
Speaker 4: I've had to have my fourth emergency and demetrius of surgery.
Speaker 4: But even that, she's like, it cost me fourteen thousand.
Speaker 3: Dollars and there's no rebaths and stuff, no rebates what
Speaker 3: there is, but it's so minimal tiny.
Speaker 4: She's like literally fourteen thousand dollars and even to get
Speaker 4: that done as something that was deemed level category four like,
Speaker 4: so she has it so badly. It was like six
Speaker 4: or seven months waiting for that and then it cost
Speaker 4: her an I'm in a leg and she has to
Speaker 4: get it. This is the fourth time she's had it
Speaker 4: because it just grows back. So the money that she
Speaker 4: spends on just trying, she can't work. It's so bad,
Speaker 4: and it's deemed as not a priority, not an emergency,
Speaker 4: not something that should be rebated.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess the thing that I'm in the midst
Speaker 3: of at the moment and sort of like unsure about
Speaker 3: what the processes is is like, so now I'm in
Speaker 3: a situation where I have an eight centimeter O very insist,
Speaker 3: but there is still not an outcome. The wait is
Speaker 3: still so long to go and see an actual gynecologist
Speaker 3: around what the processes are. So even though I had
Speaker 3: the scans and I can go back to my GP,
Speaker 3: I still don't have clarity on what to do. And
Speaker 3: it's been deemed as potential risk of tors so like
Speaker 3: your ovary can twist and then you lose your ovary,
Speaker 3: you know, And it's like, okay, so we're all on
Speaker 3: the same page with this now, but what am I
Speaker 3: supposed to do with this information?
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just feel like there must be so many women
Speaker 3: who go through these processes and then you know something's
Speaker 3: not quite right or you have an outcome, but the
Speaker 3: weight times are just so frustratingly long to be able
Speaker 3: to do anything about it. And it's not just the
Speaker 3: weight times, it's the cost of it. Every scan is
Speaker 3: so expensive, the cost to go and see a gynocologist
Speaker 3: is outrageously expensive, and then the rebates are so minimal.
Speaker 3: So I guess like the reason why I want to
Speaker 3: talk about it is like, firstly, the only person who
Speaker 3: will ever advocate for your own health is yourself, and
Speaker 3: if you're not the one who's pushing to have the
Speaker 3: appointments to see the specialists to get things checked out,
Speaker 3: nothing gets checked.
Speaker 1: And that's been my.
Speaker 3: Experience of this so far, is that if it wasn't
Speaker 3: for me constantly trying to be like someone do something
Speaker 3: about this, literally nothing would have been done yet.
Speaker 4: And then it's still just left to like, Hey, if
Speaker 4: it gets worse, though, go to the emergency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, going to emergency because it's too late. If I
Speaker 2: met the emergency and I have a torsion.
Speaker 1: They're great, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 5: But also like if you are waiting until you're going
Speaker 5: to emergency, the psychological toll of not knowing how much
Speaker 5: pain is too much pain? You know, as women were
Speaker 5: kind of always told like expect pain around anything that
Speaker 5: has to do with the reproductive system, and so what
Speaker 5: is the line, like what is the limit of I'm
Speaker 5: not able to live with this anymore, I'm going to
Speaker 5: go to emergency. Like it's really disappointing to me that
Speaker 5: things are not I know, it's a systemic thing. It
Speaker 5: is not an individual doctor thing. It is not an
Speaker 5: individual hospital, it's not an individual practice. Systemically, in Australia,
Speaker 5: we focus so much more on treatment than what we
Speaker 5: focus on prevention, and I really, I mean, we're about
Speaker 5: to come up to an election. There's going to be
Speaker 5: a lot of promises made about women's health care because
Speaker 5: it seems to be a topic that we all care about.
Speaker 5: Fancy that like, go figure, I just want to see
Speaker 5: actual policies brought in that rebate female reproductive care and
Speaker 5: rebate things like and demetriosis, Like you have a very
Speaker 5: insist that could fucking rupture. Like it's just so fundamentally
Speaker 5: frustrating that we have. Like you said, you've got to
Speaker 5: keep advocating. You can only do that if you've got
Speaker 5: the money to go into it specialists. You can't do
Speaker 5: that if you're going through the public healthcare system. So
Speaker 5: what you're just supposed to wait until you're actually in
Speaker 5: a life or death situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's it's just so.
Speaker 5: Backwards, and the psychological tolld that that kind of thing
Speaker 5: takes is so heavy.
Speaker 4: Michelle from Shameless talks about that a lot. If anyone
Speaker 4: is interested, go and listen, Like I really loved listening.
Speaker 3: But she only last was her beautiful podcast sories that
Speaker 3: she created.
Speaker 4: She only has one overy, but her talking about the
Speaker 4: same thing, like advocating for your own health and also
Speaker 4: not even that. She talks really well about just putting
Speaker 4: up with the pain and being like, oh cool, this
Speaker 4: is just it, Like you know, you're having complete breakdowns
Speaker 4: at home, like physically you're so.
Speaker 2: In pain that you're dropping what you're doing.
Speaker 4: You're falling to the floor, and then when it passes,
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, cool, let's just get on with life,
Speaker 4: like that's just a part of it, Like oh, what
Speaker 4: was that?
Speaker 2: That was weird, and then you just keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing for me at the moment
Speaker 3: is like I can't have the kids like crawl up
Speaker 3: onto my lap, or like when I pick them up,
Speaker 3: I'm so I'm so wary of it. Or we were
Speaker 3: playing in the pool the other day and they're like
Speaker 3: kicking around and all I could think was like, don't
Speaker 3: kick me in the stomach. So I can't be so
Speaker 3: engaged with them because I'm so conscious of the fact
Speaker 3: that I'm in this discomfort. But yeah, i mean, like,
Speaker 3: obviously I don't want to catastrophize it. It's not the
Speaker 3: worst thing in the world, but it's definitely something that
Speaker 3: I'm very conscious of and I'm kind of in the
Speaker 3: midst of and it's really shining a spotlight for me
Speaker 3: on just the massive gaps that there are for female
Speaker 3: healthcare around gynecological needs.
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys know that I've spoken about being
Speaker 5: diagnosed with pcos so polycystic avarian syndrome, which somewhat ironically,
Speaker 5: does not mean that you.
Speaker 1: Have polycystic ovaries.
Speaker 5: They're actually separate conditions. I do happen to have both.
Speaker 5: I've had this suck at you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, were hard to go home.
Speaker 5: But like, even speaking of that, I remember getting the
Speaker 5: pelvic ultrasound that cost me more than four hundred dollars
Speaker 5: out of pocket, and I remember saying to them, I
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, so what's the point of this? And
Speaker 5: they were like, we would just want to find out
Speaker 5: whether you have cystic ovaries. And I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 5: you know we've got this fork yeah, yes, know what
Speaker 5: happens if it's yes, what happens if it's no? And
Speaker 5: they're like nothing, We just so I'm just spending four
Speaker 5: hundred dollars to know that I've got cystic ovaries, and
Speaker 5: then we're not We're not doing anything about that.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that we can do about that. I just
Speaker 1: want to make that clear, Okay, cool. There is no
Speaker 1: fucking research in any of these fields.
Speaker 2: And like I come from.
Speaker 5: Medical research background, I know why there has not been
Speaker 5: medical research done on things that have to do with women.
Speaker 1: It kind of comes back to like results and reliability
Speaker 1: and all that kind of incredible misogynistic.
Speaker 4: There's no reason, there's no reason now that we do
Speaker 4: not have research into women's problems.
Speaker 5: I feel like it is really an area that just
Speaker 5: so needs to be put into policy and into research
Speaker 5: and into grants and into funding. And we are going
Speaker 5: to do another episode. We get asked all the time
Speaker 5: in the Facebook group to do an episode on pcos.
Speaker 5: We're going to do another one really soon. I think
Speaker 5: actually next week we will record it with Dtor Eazy Smith,
Speaker 5: who is a wonderful end of chronologist. I'm going to
Speaker 5: jump on that one obviously because I have it, and
Speaker 5: so if you have any questions about that, please send
Speaker 5: them to us at Life on cut DMS on Instagram,
Speaker 5: or we can message us on the Facebook group and
Speaker 5: we'll try and include all of those so we can
Speaker 5: talk about, you know, more of the issues of the
Speaker 5: female reproductive healthcare system.
Speaker 3: A conversation that's been playing out everywhere recently in the
Speaker 3: pop culture space and also across media has to do
Speaker 3: with whiteloatus. Now, I will admit I am not up
Speaker 3: to date with all of the episodes, even though it
Speaker 3: was my vibe a couple of weeks ago. Britt you're back.
Speaker 2: Episode one and then you're like, I'm out.
Speaker 1: Well, fuck man.
Speaker 3: The lack of the injury with a sist, the lack
Speaker 3: of the intro music really got me. And I even
Speaker 3: said it. I was like, I'm vibing it. I haven't
Speaker 3: fully gotten on board yet.
Speaker 6: But I'm coming in.
Speaker 2: It's just not at the start.
Speaker 1: I know. I know they really like Beait and switched,
Speaker 1: didn't they. I'm coming back. Don't worry. I'm going to
Speaker 1: catch up.
Speaker 3: But I have been very much across a really interesting
Speaker 3: conversation that's played out recently.
Speaker 2: I've been recently across the penis is what she's trying
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 3: I'm really across the aesthetic penis, which is what we
Speaker 3: want to talk about. Okay, So if you haven't seen this,
Speaker 3: Jason Isaac he plays the character the main character of
Speaker 3: Timothy Ratliff. He's the dad and there is a really
Speaker 3: spoken about scene where he's talking to his children.
Speaker 1: He's also like kind of like off his face a bit.
Speaker 3: He's stone or has taken medication whatever it is, and
Speaker 3: he's wearing a bathrobe. And then as he's chatting away
Speaker 3: to his kids, he moves his leg aside and there
Speaker 3: is a full frontal nude scene.
Speaker 2: Of a very big penis now flaccid, but like a
Speaker 2: slug y.
Speaker 1: It's a slug It's there, it's.
Speaker 4: Thick, it's big, it's long, and the first thing you're
Speaker 4: going to think is is that real? The first thing
Speaker 4: you're going to google in that moment, I can guarantee it.
Speaker 4: Everyone stopped down and.
Speaker 1: Was like, was that real?
Speaker 3: That wasn't my first thought, to be honest, my very
Speaker 3: first thought was not is that a real penis? It
Speaker 3: looked very convincingly real, Like I mean, the prosthetics in
Speaker 3: movies these days are absolutely top notch.
Speaker 2: Did look very real.
Speaker 3: I just looked at it and thought like I kind
Speaker 3: of got more taken aback by the shock factor, which
Speaker 3: I think is the intention of it, because there's nothing
Speaker 3: and we'll get into all of the discussions around it,
Speaker 3: there's nothing sexual about it. He accidentally flashes his children.
Speaker 3: It's an embarrassingly funny moment that's kind of just played
Speaker 3: off as.
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, oh dad.
Speaker 3: But the big questions have come off the back of
Speaker 3: the interviews that Jason Isaac have had recently, because people
Speaker 3: are no longer asking him about his character development or
Speaker 3: about the role in The White Lotus. The questions that
Speaker 3: he's receiving really pertain to whether or not the penis
Speaker 3: was a prosthetic. Now he has responded and has had
Speaker 3: some very interesting reactions to his response around whether it
Speaker 3: is or isn't appropriate to ask a person if their
Speaker 3: genitalia in a movie is a prosthetic. This is an
Speaker 3: interview which has gone viral. This is from the CBS Mornings,
Speaker 3: which is a morning show in the States.
Speaker 1: Have listened to this.
Speaker 4: You know you're making its because last week we got
Speaker 4: to see a full frontal and it was you.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm trying to figure we were talking about
Speaker 2: being impolite? Was that you?
Speaker 1: Was that a prothetic?
Speaker 6: Well, because we were debating it, because we were a
Speaker 6: lot of people debating. It's all over the inside. And
Speaker 6: it's interesting because you didn't answer the question. Well, I'll
Speaker 6: tell you why.
Speaker 7: Because the best actress this year is Mikey Madison at
Speaker 7: the Oscars, and I don't see anybody discussing her vulva,
Speaker 7: which was on television all the time. Now, I'm not
Speaker 7: talking about Swedish cars, you know. So I think it's
Speaker 7: interesting that there's a double standard for men. But when
Speaker 7: women are naked, Margaret quality as well in the substance,
Speaker 7: nobody would dream of talking to her about her janetalia
Speaker 7: or nipples or any of those things.
Speaker 6: And so it's odd that there's a double standard when
Speaker 6: it comes to disco.
Speaker 7: Bit of a dud, dude, It is a George because
Speaker 7: I don't think that people really want to know how
Speaker 7: the sausage is made.
Speaker 1: ID is the guy who does the prosthetics, the same
Speaker 1: guy he does the ears and the noses?
Speaker 6: Who says who's but in general, who's the guy you call?
Speaker 7: I genuinely think it would be odd when when there
Speaker 7: are characters in some of the women are naked. And
Speaker 7: here would be odd if you were sitting here and
Speaker 7: you would never dream of discussing this.
Speaker 1: I think if prosthetics were standard, we would.
Speaker 6: Ask what is obsession? And are you very obsessed?
Speaker 1: We're talking about it all morning?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: Mike Waves is a brilliant right, so it was the
Speaker 7: best series on televis of for a long time. And
Speaker 7: what is the obsession with penisles? It's an odd thing
Speaker 7: because you rarely get to see I think we have
Speaker 7: to read a teas sale.
Speaker 6: You're watching for Long Television.
Speaker 3: The reason why I wanted to play that audio is
Speaker 3: because there has been so much backlash around his commentary,
Speaker 3: because it's so important how something that said verbally can
Speaker 3: take a very different context when it's actually written into
Speaker 3: an article, like a statement has a different tone. You
Speaker 3: can hear from that that it is all said very
Speaker 3: much in a jokey light and jovial manner. However, the
Speaker 3: big question is raised, is there a double standard between
Speaker 3: male nudity and female nudity on TV?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely important to have context.
Speaker 4: We say that about everything because when you read that,
Speaker 4: when you read the quote, it hits different to when
Speaker 4: he says it. What I do think is funny and
Speaker 4: interesting before I was about to saying, before we nutted
Speaker 4: out what I do think is funny and interesting is
Speaker 4: that he has avoided answering if it's a prosthetic, And
Speaker 4: there is a part of me that does wonder is
Speaker 4: that because you really want people to truly believe that
Speaker 4: you are the owner of a really large penis. But
Speaker 4: the funniest part is the kids in the show, the
Speaker 4: kid actors Samnvola and Sarah Catherine Hook, they already confirmed
Speaker 4: it was a prosthetic. So he's like, I will never
Speaker 4: confirm that, like it's not important, but they've come out
Speaker 4: and they've said, yeah, it absolutely was a prosthetic.
Speaker 2: He was dancing around going it's my fake penis day.
Speaker 2: He goes, it's fake dick scene day.
Speaker 4: Everyone like with his prostheticon, which I think is really
Speaker 4: funny that he's trying to keep the.
Speaker 2: Mystery alive and they completely just out him. His comment's
Speaker 2: been very divisive online.
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of people that have been completely
Speaker 4: attacking him, saying this is complete double standards. Women's bodies
Speaker 4: and nudity from the dawn of time are constantly spoken about.
Speaker 4: They're constantly asked about so many inappropriate questions in interviews
Speaker 4: on red carpets. So there's a lot of people that
Speaker 4: are really sort of crucifying him for his comment. But
Speaker 4: then there's a lot of people in agreeance saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: we shouldn't be asking these questions. Why is it important?
Speaker 4: And personally I sit on the fence of both. I
Speaker 4: agree with him that it can be deemed an inappropriate
Speaker 4: question and it's probably not important to his character development,
Speaker 4: but I disagree with him saying that this is a
Speaker 4: double standard.
Speaker 2: What I do want to add is there is a.
Speaker 4: Level of importance in asking if it's a prosthetic for
Speaker 4: a bit of a deeper reason, Like there would be
Speaker 4: people I.
Speaker 1: Must know if the penis is real or not, but
Speaker 1: there would.
Speaker 4: Be people watching that that would feel completely insecure saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: is this real? Is this the kind of thing that
Speaker 4: most men have? Am I so out of proportion? And
Speaker 4: am I so much smaller? And I know that this
Speaker 4: is a deeper level, but I'm trying to think of
Speaker 4: reasons why people want to know. I one hundred percent
Speaker 4: wanted to know. I'll be the first person that's like,
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's real or not. But that's just
Speaker 4: a curiosity off the back of things like sex life
Speaker 4: with Adam Demos. Remember the Australian actor that got his
Speaker 4: penis at and it was ginormous and everyone was like,
Speaker 4: we need to know if Bro's penis is real?
Speaker 2: Like is this what other people are playing with?
Speaker 6: Look?
Speaker 3: It is an interesting take on it, though, and there
Speaker 3: is truth to what he is says. The reality is
Speaker 3: if you saw a woman nude on TV, you would
Speaker 3: never respond like herd boobs were ginormous. We wouldn't speak
Speaker 3: about it in the same way.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking to remember blurred lines with Emily Radtowski.
Speaker 1: That's how she kind of got thrust into the spotlight.
Speaker 1: That was pretty much the headline was that her boobs
Speaker 1: were ginormous. Yeah, and again the question of like are
Speaker 1: they real or not? Was probably the number one question
Speaker 1: in pop culture news that month.
Speaker 2: I would like that year.
Speaker 3: I guess the thing is is that often there is
Speaker 3: a it's seen as more inappropriate. Like I think that
Speaker 3: we've started to really like identify the dialogue around how
Speaker 3: we've spoken about women's bodies for so long. But the
Speaker 3: thing is is, I do think there's a double standard.
Speaker 3: But I don't think the double standard is around the
Speaker 3: questioning of whether it is or isn a prosthetic. I
Speaker 3: think the double standard is the fact that we are
Speaker 3: so desensitized to seeing female bodies on TV. It has
Speaker 3: been a staple of Hollywood for forever to show female breasts,
Speaker 3: to show backsides, to show hyper sexualized female nudity, if
Speaker 3: any anything, And we were discussing it, like female nudity
Speaker 3: has been used as a way of making movies and
Speaker 3: films and TV series more interesting and one of the
Speaker 3: examples that I came across was like Sopranos. For example,
Speaker 3: the dialogue between the characters may not have been particularly
Speaker 3: interesting at the time, but the conversation that they were
Speaker 3: having played out in a strip club, and behind the
Speaker 3: characters there's like naked women walking around, and it instantly
Speaker 3: creates a secondary dimension. The thing is, though we are
Speaker 3: very unfamiliar with seeing full penises on TV, Like it's
Speaker 3: a type of nudity that we've not had as much
Speaker 3: exposure to. So when you do see a giant penis
Speaker 3: flapping around in a way that's not supposed to be
Speaker 3: in a sex scene, but it's just in casual nudity,
Speaker 3: I do think that there's this incredible shock element to it,
Speaker 3: and we're.
Speaker 1: All like, that was a penis. Haven't seen one of
Speaker 1: those on TV for a while.
Speaker 3: And I guess because it's it's shown so casually, it
Speaker 3: also makes it okay to ask the question casually. And
Speaker 3: that's what I think these reporters are doing when they're
Speaker 3: asking whether it's a prosthetic or not.
Speaker 1: It's because the.
Speaker 3: Nudity seems so non sexual and it seems so accessible
Speaker 3: that I feel like it makes it okay to ask
Speaker 3: the question, not that it is or it isn't, but
Speaker 3: I think that that's where it kind of the lines
Speaker 3: are blurred a little bit.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the reason.
Speaker 4: A lot of people are getting so upset online and
Speaker 4: the commentary so negative around it is because his statement
Speaker 4: wasn't actually even accurate, Like his defense to his statement
Speaker 4: wasn't true. For example, Mikey Madison in Anora, He's like,
Speaker 4: her volver was out everywhere on screen, no one asked
Speaker 4: about that. That's incorrect. Her volver was never actually out.
Speaker 4: There were no full frontal Volver shots. Marcre Qualis Substance,
Speaker 4: full frontal scene, He's like, no one's asking about her
Speaker 4: if she had prosthetics.
Speaker 2: In fact, they did.
Speaker 3: Yes, She's come out widely spoken about the fact that
Speaker 3: her breast were prosthetics in that movie to fit the scene.
Speaker 2: She didn't have the right breast to portray a young Demi.
Speaker 4: Moore, and she was like, Hey, there's no magic pill
Speaker 4: for having big, plump, voluptuous young breasts, so yeah, they
Speaker 4: made them for me.
Speaker 2: So I think that a lot of people are kicking
Speaker 2: off online because of that as well.
Speaker 4: So maybe if it didn't have that extra level misinformation
Speaker 4: attached to the quote, people wouldn't quite be upset. Maybe
Speaker 4: if he said, hey, would you ask a woman this,
Speaker 4: the response might not have been so aggressive Online.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think that it was a baited response
Speaker 3: where women who have been objectified for so long in
Speaker 3: so many different ways with there's been so many inappropriate
Speaker 3: lines of questioning that have come from journalists and reporters
Speaker 3: over the years, whether it's specifically around genitalia, or it's
Speaker 3: around any other facet of the female's life like nudity. Wait, totally,
Speaker 3: we've seen it all happen, and so using that as
Speaker 3: a comparison to try and identify an unequal standard I
Speaker 3: think is a real like it's a mute point. One
Speaker 3: of the other examples which I found really fascinating Margot Robbie,
Speaker 3: who was in Wolf of Wall Street. She had a
Speaker 3: full frontal nude. She also had a side nude. She
Speaker 3: had lots of nudes in that movie. It was all
Speaker 3: very much willingly like there's actually she's come out and
Speaker 3: spoken about the very full frontal nude and she said
Speaker 3: that it was her who fought to have that scene
Speaker 3: in the movie because she felt as though the character
Speaker 3: required not to have this like censored version of nudity
Speaker 3: because it just didn't make sense for her and her
Speaker 3: level of confidence and how she used sex as a
Speaker 3: way of getting what she wanted or her sexual I
Speaker 3: shouldn't say sex, but her sexuality to get what she wanted.
Speaker 3: There's a really interesting interview that happened actually with our
Speaker 3: own Fits and Whipper here in Australia, and the question
Speaker 3: was asked, I've heard a lot of time that it's
Speaker 3: quite hard to find women with real breast and pubic
Speaker 3: care when you're doing a period piece. Now, I know
Speaker 3: that that question in its of itself is not as
Speaker 3: direct as asking if something's a prosthetic, but asking a
Speaker 3: woman who has appeared completely nude and clearly is doing
Speaker 3: a period piece, the only way to extrapolate that is
Speaker 3: to ask the question of is it real breast and
Speaker 3: were you wearing?
Speaker 1: You know, is that your real puby care.
Speaker 3: Margaret Robbie came out and her response to that was
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that it would be difficult to find
Speaker 3: someone with real breast.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's an issue at all.
Speaker 3: However, I remember on Wolf of Wall Street there was
Speaker 3: an entire American room, a whole room full of Mercans. Now,
Speaker 3: if anyone who doesn't know, Amercan is a prosthetic piece
Speaker 3: of pubicare that actresses can wear. So if you've been lasered,
Speaker 3: you can then put pubic hair on. I mean, when
Speaker 3: has it ever been appropriate to ask a woman about
Speaker 3: their pubic care and how their pubic care shows up
Speaker 3: in a period drama. But the thing is is like
Speaker 3: this is just another example of how this line of
Speaker 3: questioning is something that is not unfamiliar to women. I
Speaker 3: think if you're going to do a nude scene in
Speaker 3: a movie and it's going to be shocking and it's
Speaker 3: going to be gripping, you almost have to expect that
Speaker 3: there will be questions about it because people are so
Speaker 3: interested in it.
Speaker 4: I disagree slightly with the pubic hair question because I
Speaker 4: think that it's a period piece, so I understand it's
Speaker 4: a general question of curiosity. The breast part I think
Speaker 4: was inappropriate, but I think asking hey, what happens now?
Speaker 4: So many women are waxed and lasered, and there was
Speaker 4: a real trend against pubic hair, but period dramas really
Speaker 4: try to stay true to the time in terms of tattoos,
Speaker 4: underarm hair, body hair epiercing. So I think that the
Speaker 4: way they framed that question was okay. If they asked
Speaker 4: her directly, hey, like are you laser? Or did you
Speaker 4: wear fake pubic care? I'd be more offended.
Speaker 2: But for me, I sort of let that one slide
Speaker 2: because it was a period piece.
Speaker 4: If she was just doing a normal nude scene or
Speaker 4: something and people are saying, hey, did you wear like
Speaker 4: a fake vagina? Like, I think that that is inappropriate.
Speaker 4: In terms of him saying, like, you wouldn't be asking
Speaker 4: about someone else's genitally in a movie. I think that's
Speaker 4: where he has gone wrong.
Speaker 1: Or just feels very out of touch.
Speaker 4: It just feels a little bit out of touch, well
Speaker 4: not a little bit, feels a lot out of touch
Speaker 4: because it's literally what we face and you don't have
Speaker 4: to be a public figure to be facing this, And
Speaker 4: I think that's the important thing too.
Speaker 5: It seems like a little bit of a false victimhood,
Speaker 5: you know, like, ask a woman about this, It's like, actually,
Speaker 5: women get asked about much harsher and worse things all
Speaker 5: the time. But Laura, something I thought was really interesting
Speaker 5: that you brought up was the different ways in which
Speaker 5: nudity is shown on our screens, and I was trying
Speaker 5: to think of, like, oh yeah, because when I think
Speaker 5: about the female nudity that we have seen scenes of,
Speaker 5: and I'm particularly thinking about Bridgeton because it's kind of
Speaker 5: top of mind for me at the moment. Whenever female
Speaker 5: nudity is shown in those scenes, and there's male nudity
Speaker 5: as well, like we see some bombs and I think
Speaker 5: we see parts of penises.
Speaker 1: Is that the plural.
Speaker 5: It's always done in a way that's quite romantic or seductive,
Speaker 5: or it's adding to like the romanticism of the scene,
Speaker 5: whereas in White Lotus anything that Mike White kind of
Speaker 5: touches seems to be really different.
Speaker 3: Well, female nudity, I find is very much catered to
Speaker 3: the male gaze. And I think if you think of
Speaker 3: any movie that you've seen recently, or any nude scene
Speaker 3: that has a female in it, normally it is a
Speaker 3: type of female. It is a conventionally beautiful, conventionally perfect
Speaker 3: female nude, perfect brass, perfect volvera perfect but like you
Speaker 3: don't need to even worry about the level of nudity
Speaker 3: because not one's hanging out to see it.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean, oh, I would disagree slightly,
Speaker 4: probably ninety fiercent of the time.
Speaker 2: But I mean Nicola Coglin, who was from Bridgeton, who
Speaker 2: did her nude scene, and she was constantly trolled and
Speaker 2: asked about that, like how brave you are and how
Speaker 2: did you do that? Being the weight that you are.
Speaker 4: She got a lot to push back and she was like, Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm a beautiful woman. I love how I look and
Speaker 4: I'm confident.
Speaker 1: She has some line about having perfect tips. Yes, she's
Speaker 1: really funny.
Speaker 3: The thing is, you're always going to be able to
Speaker 3: find outliers. But what I'm talking about is the majority example,
Speaker 3: and I absolutely know that there will be I'm sure
Speaker 3: that if you go back through the rolodex of things
Speaker 3: that you've seen, you might have one reference to an
Speaker 3: old woman who is naked, or one reference to a
Speaker 3: larger woman who is naked. Like I'm sure that there
Speaker 3: are references. The majority of female nudity on our screens
Speaker 3: are perfect nudity. It's the same type of sexualized nudity
Speaker 3: that we see across all media. The thing that's different
Speaker 3: about White Lotus, and something that I find particularly entertaining,
Speaker 3: is that the nudity that is being shown isn't nudity
Speaker 3: that's created for men to watch and enjoy.
Speaker 1: The nudity that.
Speaker 3: We're seeing almost every single scene, it's been like a
Speaker 3: dude casually getting his penis out, or if you remember,
Speaker 3: in the very first season White Lotus, one of the
Speaker 3: main characters balls were swollen and so you saw this
Speaker 3: like very comical shot of his swollen testicles. In the
Speaker 3: second series, there is a scene where THEO James, he's
Speaker 3: wearing a prosthetic which he described as being stolen off
Speaker 3: a donkey.
Speaker 1: It was so big. Now he came out and said,
Speaker 1: he didn't choose it, it was chosen for him. It's
Speaker 1: not mad about it, Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 2: I'm donkey Peters that there was a.
Speaker 3: Scene where he was just like casually walking around in
Speaker 3: the bathroom and Aubrey Plaza was in the front of
Speaker 3: the kind of the foreground of that scene and like that.
Speaker 1: This is what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like male nudity is not something that is obscure
Speaker 3: to the White Lotus. There are so many very confronting
Speaker 3: gay male sex scenes which are only confronting because we
Speaker 3: don't see it play out on pop culture TV spaces.
Speaker 3: So when you see a man in a vulnerable position.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you guys remember, but
Speaker 3: in season one, the hotel manager was getting rooted from
Speaker 3: behind whilst also giving a blowjob when they were all
Speaker 3: high on mushrooms or whatever it was that they'd taken.
Speaker 3: Like These are scenes that feel particularly intimate, but we
Speaker 3: are absolutely not used to seeing them play out on
Speaker 3: a series like this, So there is this like unusual
Speaker 3: jarring level of uncomfortableness that comes with exposure to something
Speaker 3: that we just don't normally see. But we are so
Speaker 3: comfortable with female nudity in heterosexual sex scenes.
Speaker 4: Mike Whitet has come out and said that he intentionally
Speaker 4: chooses to do male nudity to try and balance the
Speaker 4: level of female nudity that has been on the screen
Speaker 4: I since he grew up. But I'm also going to
Speaker 4: call a little bit of bullshit on that there. It
Speaker 4: would be remiss to say that he does not include
Speaker 4: these scenes for shock value. This is what people talk about.
Speaker 4: These are the trending topics of White Lotus. If you
Speaker 4: can google the most google things about White Lotus, it
Speaker 4: all has to do with the shocking sex scenes. And
Speaker 4: there is a spoiler here if you want to turn
Speaker 4: off right now. You might not have seen it yet,
Speaker 4: but one of the examples is, and what is about
Speaker 4: to play out on the rest of the season, is
Speaker 4: he has included more nudity but also incest scenes. So
Speaker 4: the two brothers end up hooking up. This is what
Speaker 4: everyone is talking about at the moment. They're talking about cool,
Speaker 4: what's the purpose of this? Like, what is the purpose
Speaker 4: of not only having incest because there's two brothers and
Speaker 4: a sister, and I think a lot of people are
Speaker 4: led to believe in the early days that maybe the
Speaker 4: sister and brother we're going to hook up, which is
Speaker 4: obviously a level of incest. But he's taken it a
Speaker 4: step further and he's included gay incest. And this is
Speaker 4: the currently the now divisive topic. It's almost steering away
Speaker 4: from the prosthetic penis double standards conversation, and people are
Speaker 4: now like, Okay, why have you included that. It's also
Speaker 4: to shock, it's also to have people talking about and
Speaker 4: push these boundaries on TV that we haven't seen.
Speaker 2: But Mike White has said, bear with.
Speaker 4: Me, there is a reason I have included it, and
Speaker 4: it will come full circle at the end of the series,
Speaker 4: so he's almost like baiting us now to say, hey, okay, cool,
Speaker 4: we really need to stick around to see why the
Speaker 4: gay incest scene was included.
Speaker 3: Which is interesting because also it's the same premise of
Speaker 3: season two where the scene between Leo Woodhall and I
Speaker 3: don't know the guy's name, I can't remember, well the
Speaker 3: fake uncle it alluded to incest. But also that scene
Speaker 3: itself had so much weight in the storyline of where
Speaker 3: the actual context of that season went to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there might be some sort of twist with
Speaker 2: the gay brothers. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're not brothers at all, That's what I think
Speaker 4: I think, and they maybe they know they're not, And
Speaker 4: maybe it's not incess and it's just gay relationship.
Speaker 2: I don't know where it's gonna go, but I'm hooked.
Speaker 2: I want to see it.
Speaker 1: Who knows. Look, I think like to kind of round
Speaker 1: this one out.
Speaker 3: Very interestingly to me is the backlash that this has received,
Speaker 3: that his commentary has received, and I think overarchingly, women
Speaker 3: are angry about and women feel angry about the types
Speaker 3: of the line of questioning that so many female celebrities
Speaker 3: have received in every aspect for so long, but I
Speaker 3: do think it makes you ask the question, And for me,
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe it's inappropriate across the board, maybe the
Speaker 3: way that we speak about male genitalia, even though yes,
Speaker 3: there may be a rebalancing and we don't seem to
Speaker 3: feel as guilty about you know, we've made jokes even
Speaker 3: in this conversation about like his penis was huge, or
Speaker 3: this or that. I do think that there are levels
Speaker 3: which seem to be more acceptable when you speak about
Speaker 3: a male nude versus female, And we do seem to
Speaker 3: be okay with objectifying men in that way, and we
Speaker 3: have more of a strong stance when women are objectified,
Speaker 3: And the reason for that is purely because women have
Speaker 3: been victims of it for so long and are victims,
Speaker 3: and we don't see men as victims at all.
Speaker 2: But it's also has different repercussions.
Speaker 4: And I remember a young Helen Mirren being asked, oh,
Speaker 4: aren't you worried now that you won't be taken seriously
Speaker 4: because you have nude scenes. When has a man ever
Speaker 4: been asked that there is no way any of these actors,
Speaker 4: Barry from Saltburn, who's nude the whole time, has sex
Speaker 4: with a grave there's no way he got applauded for
Speaker 4: his acting.
Speaker 1: That is true. He fucked of a grave and no
Speaker 1: one said, are you worried about how this might impact
Speaker 1: your career?
Speaker 2: Are you worried you're not gonna be taken seriously? Now?
Speaker 4: No one but women constantly asked that if they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: are you diminishing your career?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 4: Is your career on ice because you're nude? Like, it's
Speaker 4: just means we're not taking it seriously. The only thing
Speaker 4: that I think is a bit weird is that we're
Speaker 4: talking about this as though they're not using prosthetics, Like,
Speaker 4: it's still weird to me that for us to have
Speaker 4: a dick on screen that we are like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: that's shocking and that's interesting. It has to be a
Speaker 4: fake one.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it pertains to size, right, And part
Speaker 3: of that is I don't have the answer to this,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of why I'm not sure about how
Speaker 3: to kind of go deep on it, loll. But that's
Speaker 3: because it is unusual to me that every single penis
Speaker 3: that has appeared in the White Lotus has been obnoxiously large,
Speaker 3: and there isn't any sort of reference thus far of
Speaker 3: a small penis on screen, And is it because an
Speaker 3: actor doesn't want to appear to be hel to have
Speaker 3: a small penis. If they were to have a small penis,
Speaker 3: would it be a small prosthetic penis, so then they
Speaker 3: could easily say, oh, no, that was a prosthetic and
Speaker 3: cover themselves. I don't know about what's the implication of
Speaker 3: having only big dicks on our screen.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think I know what it is, and
Speaker 5: it's because as a society, we associate certain personality characteristics
Speaker 5: with genitalia, like we associate.
Speaker 1: Big dick energy.
Speaker 2: It's literally the label of it.
Speaker 5: We associate certain things about that penis with the character,
Speaker 5: and so it's I don't think it's a mistake that
Speaker 5: they would be using them. It could be because the
Speaker 5: actors don't want to have their own genitals on screen,
Speaker 5: which I would respect enough, regardless of gender, because then
Speaker 5: you can almost say I wasn't actually nude.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, it's almost section, you know.
Speaker 4: But I also think too, it comes down to the
Speaker 4: stigma that's still attached to having a small penis, and
Speaker 4: that is also just something that society puts on people,
Speaker 4: which this is not helping the situation by giving people
Speaker 4: donkey penises not helping people exactly.
Speaker 2: But Barry didn't have a prosthetic. That was all his.
Speaker 2: He was like, all that have Barry from Saltburn, that
Speaker 2: just sucked the grave.
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't have that. It was a baby, yeh.
Speaker 2: He openly talks about He's like, it was all me.
Speaker 2: I was uncomfortable for the first thing that I loved it.
Speaker 2: Did loads of retakes, did loads of dancing around. He
Speaker 2: got really comfortable. But it's a really interesting discussion.
Speaker 5: I do wonder if in ten years, you know how
Speaker 5: you said before, how we're kind of applauding Nicola Coglin
Speaker 5: Bridgeton for having her less than you know, societally acceptable
Speaker 5: perfect breasts on screen. Maybe we're just behind of that
Speaker 5: four men. Maybe it's gonna be another couple of years,
Speaker 5: maybe a decade, until they're okay having their less than
Speaker 5: donkey dicks on the screen.
Speaker 1: Anyway, guys, let's get her accidentally unfiltered.
Speaker 2: All right, accidentally unfiltered.
Speaker 4: This is a very funny, quite an innocent one, which
Speaker 4: I think is probably suitable after the conversation we've just had.
Speaker 4: So my sister took me to get my very first
Speaker 4: fake tan. I was young, maybe about seventeen at the time.
Speaker 4: We walked in and the lady gave me a pair
Speaker 4: of disposable undies. It was a G string, and little
Speaker 4: naive me was pretty unfamiliar with G strings, having never
Speaker 4: owned a pair.
Speaker 2: I was a full brief girly. I put it on.
Speaker 2: The lady came in. She walked in, gave me a
Speaker 2: little look up and down, and just started turning. Didn't
Speaker 2: say anything fast forwards.
Speaker 4: When my sister and I were home and I was
Speaker 4: walking around naked, and my sister the ghast broke out
Speaker 4: laughing when she saw a really thin line of white
Speaker 4: skin up my front and.
Speaker 2: The big try and cool white skin on my butt.
Speaker 2: I put the G string on back to front. She
Speaker 2: had one tiny, one tiny white live up the landing
Speaker 2: Strep plaza.
Speaker 3: Dude, you can wear those tiny bikinis that everyone's getting
Speaker 3: around in Bonde Beach.
Speaker 4: Do you think the tanning lady should have said something
Speaker 4: or is it better to not say something and just said.
Speaker 3: No, You don't say anything because you can go into
Speaker 3: a tanning booth nude. You know you don't have to
Speaker 3: if you want to wear that G string back to
Speaker 3: front upside down. On your head, go nuts like it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter because you put your face. I always wear
Speaker 3: like the disposable undies when I go into a tanning booth.
Speaker 3: But I have friends who go in nude.
Speaker 6: I go nude.
Speaker 1: But you have to touch your knees like you gotta
Speaker 1: bend down, so they do under your bum.
Speaker 2: I've never touched it, or I have never touched my
Speaker 2: knees in a fake dan.
Speaker 1: So you they don't do under your ass cheeks.
Speaker 2: Do they tell you to bend over and pick up
Speaker 2: the soap?
Speaker 1: Bend over and cough?
Speaker 4: No, what they do is lean forward, you stay upright
Speaker 4: and you just bend like an inch and the down.
Speaker 2: You don't bend over. You don't touch your knees. You don't.
Speaker 1: I need a check her.
Speaker 3: I'm going, where are you going? I got told to
Speaker 3: bend bend forward, We presented my knees. I got fingered
Speaker 3: at the same time. It was great, and they filmed
Speaker 3: it so weird. They said it was a security purchase.
Speaker 1: My only fans count guys.
Speaker 2: Wow, don't go to where Laura.
Speaker 1: They do a fantastic thoroughances.
Speaker 2: They really do.
Speaker 1: It's been a while, though it's been a while anyway, look,
Speaker 1: it's time.
Speaker 2: To say it's so funny. She's like, yeah, so funny
Speaker 2: when they make you bend over, We're like, what, I
Speaker 2: watch your knees.
Speaker 3: What that's like the time when she were talking about
Speaker 3: getting wax in laser. Yeah, but it was horrified that
Speaker 3: you're on your back.
Speaker 1: I am still horrified there's not a uniform way. I
Speaker 1: don't know why there's not a uniform way to do
Speaker 1: spray tans. I do not know why there's not a
Speaker 1: uniform way to laser your bomb.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Iron still find it so funny that you are on
Speaker 4: your back and you have to roll back and hold
Speaker 4: your legs up to your chest.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 1: It seems like a really smart way to access your
Speaker 1: entire butt crack.
Speaker 5: Someone commented on the video and they said that they
Speaker 5: were asked to do like a baby cradle.
Speaker 2: You know that babies hold their legs. I think people
Speaker 2: would take it a peg move.
Speaker 1: Whoever is that laser person is absolutely having a go.
Speaker 2: It's the same place you get your ten.
Speaker 3: All right, it's time for suck and sweet I'm going
Speaker 3: to kick it off because I have quick ones. My
Speaker 3: suck for this week is actually I don't really have a.
Speaker 1: Suck finding out that you're not supposed to bend over. No,
Speaker 1: my suck is I mean, I've already spoken about it.
Speaker 3: It's definitely got to be my ovarian sist, like that's
Speaker 3: like high up on the sucking of the sucks at
Speaker 3: the moment. But my sweet for the week, it's a
Speaker 3: really great one actually for me. So many of you
Speaker 3: guys have written to me about after I spoke about
Speaker 3: Lola having a really really hard time at daycare, and
Speaker 3: she has been. It's been months now and it has
Speaker 3: just been this ongoing battle for her and for us. However,
Speaker 3: we made a decision recently to send her to school
Speaker 3: next year. So that was a big one for us
Speaker 3: because we're going to hold her back another year to
Speaker 3: keep a one year gap between Mali and Lola. But
Speaker 3: the reason why we decided to send her to school
Speaker 3: next year is because that will mean that she gets
Speaker 3: to grow up a class, so she'll no longer be
Speaker 3: in like the toddler baby room of daycare, and she'll
Speaker 3: go up into.
Speaker 1: Like the big kid room. And I kind of started
Speaker 1: to suspect that a.
Speaker 3: Lot of her upset and her behavior changes and her
Speaker 3: like absolutely struggling at daycare was simply because she felt
Speaker 3: as though she was in a room with children that
Speaker 3: weren't aligned with where she was at, Like, she wants
Speaker 3: to be a big kid. She doesn't want to be
Speaker 3: treated like she's a toddler. And so we told her
Speaker 3: that we gave her the option. We said, you know,
Speaker 3: how would you feel about starting school next year? And
Speaker 3: if you were to start school, it means that you
Speaker 3: get to go up into I think they call it
Speaker 3: the wombat's room, cute, And she was so fucking excited.
Speaker 3: And yesterday she had her first day up there. And
Speaker 3: she has not had one day this year where she's
Speaker 3: come home stoad from daycare. And she came home and
Speaker 3: she was like, she was like, I love it so much, Mummy.
Speaker 3: She's like, I can't wait to go to school. So
Speaker 3: I hope that I'm not like, you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: prematorily celebrating, but I think that this was like a really,
Speaker 3: really good move for her. I think she just needs
Speaker 3: us to let go of the reins a little bit
Speaker 3: and for her to feel like she's not the baby
Speaker 3: of the family, but she has like her own exciting,
Speaker 3: big things to work towards. And I think the reason
Speaker 3: for that is because at her old daycare, she would
Speaker 3: have moved up into the big room, whereas that this
Speaker 3: new daycare, Marley got to go to big.
Speaker 1: School, and then she felt like she kind of got
Speaker 1: left behind. She got left behind. Yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: think we'd really thought about that.
Speaker 5: So she's also used to being around older kids because
Speaker 5: Marley's older than her, her cousins are older than her.
Speaker 1: You know, totally. So I'm gonna have two kids in
Speaker 1: school next year, which is fucking wild. This is what
Speaker 1: I just thought about.
Speaker 4: So funny that you were like, Mally is a genius.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hold her back a year. Lola's working on
Speaker 4: her alphabet that I'm gonna think for you early.
Speaker 3: Because what I've realized is that the spectrum of kids
Speaker 3: in kindergarten is vast, Like there are so many kids
Speaker 3: that are in KINDI that are just turning five now.
Speaker 1: So there were four.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, mate, Lola'll be fine. She'd be smack
Speaker 3: in the middle. She's a resilient little cookie. She'll figure
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 2: I am gonna do a u. I don't have a
Speaker 2: suck this week.
Speaker 1: Ah, I live.
Speaker 4: I really loved it, and I thought I had a
Speaker 4: moment where I was like, Wow, I'm really grateful for
Speaker 4: my life at the moment, Like, I really loved the
Speaker 4: F one. I had a great weekend with Keish. I
Speaker 4: don't include Laura in that because we actually barely saw
Speaker 4: each other because you were on the ferrist wheel, just
Speaker 4: stuck on round and around around.
Speaker 3: You don't have to include me in your fantastic weekend.
Speaker 3: But I also had a fantastic weekend there. It was
Speaker 3: really great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just different, and my suite would be around the
Speaker 4: F one and we didn't mention it earlier. I did
Speaker 4: mention on my Instagram. But Keisha and I got this
Speaker 4: incredible experience. So we were lucky enough to meet the
Speaker 4: boss of Red Bull Australia and Red Bull's one of
Speaker 4: the biggest driving forces of the F one.
Speaker 1: And just so you guys know, I didn't know it
Speaker 1: was the boss, and that might come into the story later.
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to be clarific. Keisha definitely did not
Speaker 2: know he was the boss.
Speaker 1: I said things that you shouldn't say, but he he
Speaker 1: was like, hey.
Speaker 4: Do you want to go into the garage where you know, well,
Speaker 4: it's like where they drive in and quickly get their
Speaker 4: tire changes and everything, and the whole team.
Speaker 2: Works on it.
Speaker 4: They're talking and we were like, yeah, so we got
Speaker 4: to go in and literally be in the thick of
Speaker 4: it and watch it happened. We got to put the
Speaker 4: head on and we got to listen to them talk
Speaker 4: to each other as he's racing. Then he would come
Speaker 4: back in He's like Max he was racing the time
Speaker 4: maxi Stappan. Yeah, he's like four times world champion. And
Speaker 4: that was a moment where I was like, God, this
Speaker 4: is just such a cool, once in a lifetime experience
Speaker 4: and I was.
Speaker 6: So in it.
Speaker 1: It's literally like you cannot buy that experience.
Speaker 2: No, you can't, and you can't take photos, you can't
Speaker 2: do videos in there. You just have to really be
Speaker 2: in it and be present. And it was. It was
Speaker 2: really cool.
Speaker 4: So I don't have anything to flex about it, don't
Speaker 4: have anything to show for it, but I have the
Speaker 4: memories that I mean, I'll have.
Speaker 2: For a lifetime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of where things got a little awkward.
Speaker 5: As we were leaving, we were talking to the people
Speaker 5: who worked for Rebel, and Britta and I were both like,
Speaker 5: oh my God, that was so cool, like, what an
Speaker 5: unreal experience? I asked how much it was, but it
Speaker 5: was like can you buy tickets to do that? Like
Speaker 5: you know, and how much would it be to actually
Speaker 5: have that experience? We were just so overwhelmed with how
Speaker 5: cool it was.
Speaker 2: Because I wanted to take my dad, so I was like,
Speaker 2: oh God, I wonder how much this.
Speaker 1: Would be, so bring us this.
Speaker 5: U to the guy that we were speaking with who
Speaker 5: worked for Red Bull, and he was like, no, you know,
Speaker 5: it's a money can't buy experience. You know, it's kind
Speaker 5: of like it's our discretion, blah blah blah. And I
Speaker 5: lean over and I'm like, oh, look, I'm sure there's
Speaker 5: a number.
Speaker 2: Like wink, I'm sure there's a price that someone could pay.
Speaker 5: And Brick kind of went hah, yeah yeah, and we
Speaker 5: kept walking in about one hundred meters down the road,
Speaker 5: Britt goes, o cash, do you know that?
Speaker 2: That was like the head of Red Bull, Like I
Speaker 2: accidentally just implied like I'm sure you could be bought
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, no, you can't. She's like wink wink,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, keit, just stop it.
Speaker 1: Don't take me anywhere.
Speaker 2: That was so embarrassing. So yeah, that was my no
Speaker 2: suck and I had a really amazing suite.
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