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Speaker 1: There is certainly a lot on the agenda today, so

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Speaker 1: let's get straight into it because joining me in the

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Speaker 1: studio is the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, Natasha Files.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now Chief Minister. Firstly, and some breaking news. We know

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Speaker 1: that the COLP President Lawson broad stepped down over the

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Speaker 1: CLP's resolution last month to oppose the Voice to Parliament.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this news this morning?

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Speaker 3: O Leofanocchio's leadership is untenable. They refuse to speak to

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Speaker 3: the motion on the floor of Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 3: You don't not have a view when you're a leader,

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Speaker 3: and she did not speak herself, and so you know

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Speaker 3: to address them. So you reckon she's gone, Katie. You

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Speaker 3: And she's failed clearly. When you have this sort of

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Speaker 1: I mean, the situation around the territory is though that

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Speaker 1: there are still a lot of people who are unsure

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Speaker 1: further detail, don't you reckon that?

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Speaker 3: It's fair enough to get that first. But Katie, she

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Speaker 3: She passed that on to Josh Burgoyne as the whip.

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Speaker 3: So she's completely failed as a leader. Leadership can be

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Speaker 3: News in a few minutes time.

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Speaker 1: He broke that story overnight. But the ara, if you're

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Speaker 3: You been out to the electros So, Katie, I have

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Speaker 3: But we've got a fantastic candidate, Manuel Brown, a Teawei

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Speaker 1: And you're feeling pretty confident that you're going to win.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Katie, we never take anything for granted. We represent

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Speaker 1: What have been some of the major issues that have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, definitely roads, particularly on the Tiwei Islands, providing

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Speaker 1: Now moving along because there is so much happening around

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Speaker 1: Now it's on the basis that an independent review into

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Speaker 3: We've been negotiating in good faith across a range of sectors.

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Speaker 3: And so we'll be continued to focused on supporting frontline

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Speaker 1: Can we expect that that three percent is going to

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, it's a balance for us between our budget

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Speaker 1: The money coming from, Because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: And so where in the budget process now, Katie. So

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Speaker 2: And so that's the process we're going through at the moment.

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Speaker 3: So more debt, So, Katie, we're really focused on structurally

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Speaker 3: So are we expecting to see cuts, Katie, We're really

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess I'm just trying to wrap my head

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Speaker 3: So Katie, we see we do have own source revenue

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Speaker 3: So what we're trying to do is balance and we

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Speaker 1: Now, just with the firefighters, we're told that there are

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Speaker 3: What is your take, So, Katie, we respect all of

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Speaker 3: Some of these agreements are some months, if not years

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Speaker 3: So Katie, we've got a new electronic rostering system which

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Speaker 2: Once you have a reasonable chunk of data.

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Speaker 3: Territory wide, you can start to look at where your

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Speaker 1: So you reckon that you'd be able to do that

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, last time you're on the show, you

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Speaker 1: does need to be a really serious look into police resourcing. Katie.

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Speaker 3: We've increased the police budget by over one hundred and

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Speaker 3: and that's why that electronic rostering is so important.

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Speaker 1: So why do you feel as though Territorians feel like

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Speaker 2: It's a difficult question to answer.

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Speaker 3: In the sense that people police go in there when

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Speaker 1: So let me make this really clear. So are we

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Speaker 3: So Katie, we need the electronic rostering and we need

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Speaker 3: probably about six months worth of data around electronic rostering

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Speaker 3: can review the police resources piece, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: So, and it will be a full independent review.

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Speaker 3: So Katie will work through with police around how we

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Speaker 3: can understand their rostering. But what I'm saying to you

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Speaker 3: So Katie, what I have said is the electronic monster

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Speaker 1: So you're not committing to an independent review, Katie.

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Speaker 3: So there is going to be a review. I'm just

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Speaker 1: So there's going to be a review but it's not

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Speaker 1: This and so that review will be independent.

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Speaker 3: So Katie, that's a question that I'll take on notice

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Speaker 1: Know, we've had run the last reviews. We're dating back

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Speaker 3: I think it needs to be independent enough that people

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Speaker 1: And so it's not a situation here where the government's

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Speaker 3: I think that that would be important, Katie, so that

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Speaker 1: Think it's not being managed? Probably? What do you think's

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Speaker 3: Think this electronic rostering is really important, Katie, so we

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move along. Over the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 3: I have seen some vision and it's of course extremely concerning,

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Speaker 3: But it is incredibly difficult when you have people, you know,

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Speaker 3: And Greg is such a tricky policy space, Katie, and

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, you've got a situation where we know

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Speaker 3: I won't come in on that matter because it's presently

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Speaker 1: Okay, I do want to ask you the Queensland Government's

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Speaker 1: Would the Northern Territory government look at conducting a similar inquiry, Katie.

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Speaker 1: You worried the kids are vaping in Northern Territory schools

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, we certainly it's illegal to vaping is treated

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Speaker 1: Now, I have got a message that had come through

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Speaker 1: definitely going to be in your nomal fee. Alright, please

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: As always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Kank.

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