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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio. Many of you will know

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Speaker 1: my next guest, Bruce Dale, as the aviation expert that

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Speaker 1: he is that joins us on the show very often.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Bruce.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm going to ask you about those fears

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Speaker 1: a little bit later this morning, because we've actually had

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Speaker 1: a few messages come through on that this morning. But look,

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Speaker 1: we know that this year actually marks the thirtieth anniversary

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Speaker 1: of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. I understand it marks

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Speaker 1: a special thirty years for you as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a little birdie must have told you that it's

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Speaker 2: my thirtieth anniversary today, so I'm blushing. Co it is beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Now. It was a film that really that celebrated too well,

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Speaker 1: it really celebrated and I guess sort of drew to

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Speaker 1: light two drag performers and a transgender woman as they

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Speaker 1: traveled across the desert to perform their unique style of cabaret.

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Speaker 1: But what it did as well at the time is

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Speaker 1: it really sort of put the Northern Territory and Central

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Speaker 1: didn't it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it absolutely did. The value of film tourism cannot

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Speaker 2: be underestimated. You go down to the odd Star market

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Speaker 2: sorry Star theater and as it all plant to mark

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Speaker 2: the fact that Australia's first color film was Prayer debut

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Speaker 2: there with Jetta. But in terms of global impact, it's

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Speaker 2: difficult to think of a movie as influential as Priscilla.

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Speaker 2: It showed Australia in a different light, it showed the

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Speaker 2: it's still being performed as a musical. I was at

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Speaker 2: the musical in London earlier this year having an absolute

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Speaker 2: ball of a time, thinking they're actually representing our community

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Speaker 2: to the world. A meant a lot from that perspective.

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Speaker 1: What did it mean, you know, all thirty years ago?

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Speaker 1: in which the world has changed and the way in

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Speaker 1: which things have changed now since then. But thirty years

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was very influential in showing part of the

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Speaker 2: Rainbow community in a different light. Yep, of course, personal

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Speaker 2: journey thirty years today with a copilant life. He's a

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Speaker 2: night that he went out to see Priscilla with his friends,

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Speaker 2: one flatmate stayed behind and then he went and committed suicide.

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Speaker 2: Very very, very sad. It reflects the challenges which people

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Speaker 2: like myself probably grew up with when you have your

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Speaker 2: homosexuality was still illegal. People were debating whether we should

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Speaker 2: just be decriminalized or res treated as a mental illness.

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Speaker 2: So when you have events like Pride, it's important because

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Speaker 2: it represents the legal progress that's been made in creating

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Speaker 2: a more equal and equitable society. So from what I'm

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Speaker 2: saying as well, if if anybody is feeling a bit

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Speaker 2: upset or triggered, I did look up the Lifeline nine.

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Speaker 2: It's thirteen eleven fourteen. Please reach out if you need

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Speaker 2: a handle.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and look Pride celebrated over the weekend as well

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Speaker 1: in Darwin. It's like it's such a beautiful time and

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Speaker 1: I love the way that the community is celebrated and

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Speaker 1: the rainbow community is celebrated. But as you've touched on there,

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Speaker 1: that's not always been the case. And you know, when

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Speaker 1: you look back sort of thirty years ago when Priscilla

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Speaker 1: You know, for you guys watching that and seeing this

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Speaker 2: Way that it was as well, it meant a lot.

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Speaker 2: I mean I was still very nervous going to a

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Speaker 2: It was the middle of winter and I got all

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Speaker 2: was bitterly disappointed because there was one other gay couple

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Speaker 2: So it's great that the Aussie's viewed as you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean I was doune to see that petrol was

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Speaker 3: Little things you notice when you work with numbers petrol price,

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Speaker 3: But it's the it's the fact it's stayed a timeless movie,

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Speaker 3: and the messages they're talking about are still relevant today

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Speaker 3: but you can still recognize some of those conversations are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you look at what it's done

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Speaker 1: then in terms of breaking down those barriers, and also

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Speaker 1: when you touched on before you know what it was

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Speaker 1: stuns me. But the way in which it's changed, and

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Speaker 1: then going back and watching the film, look, it must

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Speaker 2: It is it is you learn so much in the

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Speaker 2: very friendly. But it's for me, what's important is what's happened,

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Speaker 2: but the progress that you keep making having conversations, being

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Speaker 2: and that's what's important in the world. And that's a

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Speaker 2: message that I've got over these thirty years is just

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Speaker 2: keep going, keep talking, no matter which side of politics

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Speaker 1: How did you end up going with that neighbor? Did

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Speaker 2: She did. She was actually the first person who I

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Speaker 2: And there was just no overhead conversation when you're living

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Speaker 1: And then Bruce when you look at things like Pride,

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Speaker 2: They are important? It creates a safe space for people. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: when things get celebrated in a unique way, in a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you've paved the way though as well for

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Speaker 1: A family, you know, like friends that are like family

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Speaker 2: But also what we've felt is very welcomed in the territory.

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Speaker 2: We've seen some surprising instances where we've be made to

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Speaker 2: for fab ALUs before last Yeah, We're on the flight

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Speaker 2: Priscilla and Faballous, it's actually the welcome we got down

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Speaker 2: much to celebrate. That advert ended up being played on

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Speaker 1: So what's going to happen this year for thirty years

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Speaker 2: Certainly some big plans down in Broken Hill with the

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Speaker 2: value of film tourism can't be overestimated. The community I

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Speaker 2: And so when you have global tourism like this, a

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Hey before I let you go though this morning,

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Speaker 1: I know, beautiful to talk to you about all of this.

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Speaker 1: But we've also always as it always got people messaging

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Speaker 1: us about flight prices. Now I had some messages about

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Speaker 1: flights no longer being direct during the day or not

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Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: And the flights that are coming with Quantus and Jetstar

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Speaker 2: So Quantus has put embryers on the daytime Brisbane flights. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the other flights are with mostly with seven three sevens.

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Speaker 2: They still operate the seven three seven at night as well,

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Speaker 2: and we are seeing very high prices on the daytime flights.

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Speaker 2: It is that flow and effect from there the runway works,

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Speaker 2: And if you are on the night flights, look out

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Speaker 2: for those you can still get fares. If you book

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Speaker 2: a month in advance more for under three hundred dollars,

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Speaker 2: it will mean flying at night. It's just because their

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Speaker 2: temperatures are cooler and the planes can take off without

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Speaker 2: any payload restriction.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's more the reason for it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I also was able to get a frequent

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Speaker 2: fly redemption seat in a couple of weeks time. So

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Speaker 2: it's not that the airlines. I mean, the airlines have

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Speaker 2: to price manage and if you're playing extreme fares, it

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Speaker 2: actually means the flight's probably full. But there are still

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Speaker 2: if you're willing to be flexible, lookout and it might

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Speaker 2: mean those lovely nighttime flights. But then you get to

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Speaker 2: see the stars out of the out back in the end,

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Speaker 2: see what.

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Speaker 1: Always a glassful kind of person, aren't you bro Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Bruce Darle, it's lovely to speak to you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, thank you, Listeners, thank you