1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: the third of December. I'm Zara, I'm Sam. Yesterday we 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: found out that outgoing US President Joe Biden will pardon 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: his son Hunter, with just a matter of weeks left 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: before there is a peaceful transfer of power. The President 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: said he was pardoning his son because of a miscarriage 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: of justice. 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: And part of the fun of working in the newsroom 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: is having the TVs on with the rolling twenty four 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: hour news channels. We've got some Australian channels, we've got 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: some overseas channels, and you literally hear a gasp when 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: something big breaks on TV. 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: That is what happened. 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: That's what happened with this story yesterday. I want to 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: get into why it was such a big story, but 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: before we do that, give me a sense of who 19 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden is. 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will just say at the top that I 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: know it's not usual etiquette to refer to a president 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: by their first name, but for the sake of being 23 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: able to distinguish son from father, I'll refer to President 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: Biden as Joe just once and Hunter as Hunter, just 25 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: so that we know who are. 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: To there's a lot of Biden's in this story, there is. 27 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: Okay, So we'll start with the personal life of Hunter Biden. 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: So Hunter is the child of Joe and Neelia Biden, 29 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 2: and Neelia Biden was Joe Biden's first wife. She tragically 30 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: died in a car crash, alongside one of the couple's 31 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: other children, Naomi. Hunter and his brother Bo survived that 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: car crash, and you know, there's been a lot spoken 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: about the impact of that crash on Joe Biden's life 34 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: and on the way that he has presented himselves, both 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: personally and of course in his professional life. Bo Biden, 36 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: who as I said, was the one who survived the 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: crash alongside Hunter. He died of brain cancer in twenty fifteen. 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: So of Joe and Neelia Biden's children, Hunter is the 39 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: only surviving child. Joe Biden did go on to have 40 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: another child though, with Jill Biden, who is his current wife. 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: So that's a bit about Hunter's life growing up. I 42 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: guess his personal life, and I think it needs to 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: be said that there was a lot of tragedy in 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: the lives of the Biden family, especially the early lives 45 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: of their family. In his twenty twenty one memoir Beautiful Things, 46 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: Hunter detailed his history of illicit substance and alcohol use, 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: as well as his mental ill health. Joe Biden has 48 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: also spoken about his son's addiction. He said, and I'll 49 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: just quote it directly here. So many families who have 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: had loved one's battle addiction understand the feeling of pride 51 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: seeing someone you love come out the other side and 52 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: be so strong and resilient in their recovery. So that 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: has been quite a big part of how the media 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: has spoken about and considered Hunter Biden in public life. 55 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 2: A lot has been written about and been spoken about 56 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: his battle with addiction. 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: And not just in the media, also in the political 58 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: sphere as well. 59 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. So that's him personally. In terms of 60 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: his professional life, Hunter Biden is a lawyer and a businessman. 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: Early in his career he worked for a financial services company. 62 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: He then went on to co found a lobbying firm, 63 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: but he stepped away from that lobbying firm when his 64 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: dad became the vice presidential pick for Barack Obama. 65 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's about two thousand and seven exactly. 66 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: And then more recently, Hunter was on the board of 67 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: a Chinese equity fund, and the way that came about 68 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: again has been written about quite extensively because it came 69 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: about after Hunter Biden met the chief executive of this 70 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: company when he accompanied Joe Biden on an official visit 71 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: to China. So he was on the board of a 72 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: Chinese equity fund. Then later he was also on the 73 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: board of a Ukrainian industrial company, and this role has 74 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: had a lot of focus because at the time, Joe 75 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: Biden was playing a really significant, almost leading role in 76 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: the Obama administration's relationship with Ukraine at the same time 77 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: that his son was sitting on a Ukrainian board. 78 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so we've talked about the personal life of Hunter Biden, 79 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: the professional life of Hunter Biden, but the reason he's 80 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: in the headlines today is he's been pardoned. What was 81 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: he pardoned from? 82 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a good question, and that's I 83 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: think a good way to set it up. So he 84 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: was pardoned because he had criminal convictions next to his name. 85 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: So I'll outline the two sets of charges and the 86 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: two convictions because they are different. And he's been pardoned 87 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: from both of them. When I refer to conviction, I'm 88 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: using that word specifically because in both cases Hunter Biden 89 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: has had a conviction. They're no longer just charges. He 90 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: has been convicted of these crimes. So we'll start first 91 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: with the charges that relate to guns. So in June, 92 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: a Delaware jury found that Hunter Biden lied about his 93 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: personal history of drug use when he bought a gun 94 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. Now it's illegal in Delaware to buy 95 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 2: a gun under the influence of drugs, and this case 96 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: began back in twenty eighteen when federal prosecutors started investigating 97 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: him and they found that he had, like during a 98 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: background check, to purchase a gun in the state. And ultimately, 99 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: as I said, the jury found that he was guilty. 100 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: In that case. The charges carry up to twenty five 101 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: years imprisonment and around one point one million Australian dollars. 102 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: So serious jail time on the line here. 103 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: Exactly, And I mean, like, that's what could have happened, 104 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: not necessarily what would have happened. So after the verdict 105 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: in the gun case, the lead prosecutor said the combination 106 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: of guns and drugs made Hunter's conduct dangerous. So giving 107 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: a bit more color as to why and how this 108 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: case came about. 109 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: So that's case one. Now it's case. 110 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the gun case. I'm really simplifying here, 111 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: but gun case tax case. So in the tax case, 112 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: Hunter pleaded guilty to this. It was in September of 113 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: this year, so it didn't end up having to go 114 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: before a jury because he pleaded guilty. At the time. 115 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: Prosecutors accused Hunter of spending one point four million US 116 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: dollars between twenty sixteen and twenty nineteen on quote an 117 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: extravagant lifestyle rather than paying his. 118 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: Tax bills, so essentially tax evasion exactly. 119 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: And in this case, the judge said that Hunter faces 120 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 2: a maximum penalty of fifteen years in prison and again 121 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: around a million dollars in fines. 122 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: So you've got these two cases, the gun case, in 123 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: the tax case, he was found guilty. In the gun case, 124 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: he pleaded guilty tax case. So two convictions, two convictions 125 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: and two quite hefty sentences potentially in front of him. 126 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: But he hasn't been sentenced saturally the case, right. 127 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: No, he hasn't. So he was due to be sentenced 128 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: for both sets of convictions this month and. 129 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: Then and that's where we kind of get to what 130 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 3: we're talking about today. Joe Biden intervened, and so yesterday 131 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: Joe Biden pardoned his son before he could be sentenced. 132 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: R What does it mean when a president pardons someone? 133 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: Yes, So, the ability to pardon people convicted of federal 134 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: crimes is such a fascinating element of what the US 135 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: president can do and what powers the US president has. 136 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: I was going to say he and that would have 137 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: also been accurate. What he has. It's like they have 138 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: power to undo a court's decision to find someone guilty, 139 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: even decades after the fact. It's also a uniquely American thing. 140 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: We don't have it in Australia. I turned to you 141 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: at our desk yesterday and I said, I have a 142 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: silly question, can this happen in Australia, to which you 143 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: said no. 144 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Well, it's one of the real quirks of the American 145 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: system is how intertwined the justice system and the president 146 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: can be. I mean the president appoints judges as well. 147 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So the power, as you just intimated, 148 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: the power to pardon is granted to the president by 149 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: the Constitution, and it's a fairly broad power. It is 150 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: important to note that almost every president has pardoned at 151 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: least someone one person in their time in office, for 152 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: better or for worse. We're not going to pass judgment 153 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: on that. To give you a few examples, Bill Clinton 154 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: used the presidential pardon to clear his brother. So his 155 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: brother Roger had a conviction for cocaine possession and Bill 156 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: Clinton intervened there. Gerald Ford cleared Richard Nixon's name of corruption, 157 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: and even George Washington pardoned a few men convict for 158 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: their role in a rebellion against taxes in the seventeen nineties. 159 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: So pardoning is not, by any means a new or 160 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: novel concept. It has been done many, many times before. 161 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: And it sounds like there's a variety of reasons why 162 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: a president would offer a pardon to somebody. Yesterday we 163 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: got a statement from Joe Biden about why he pardoned Hunter. 164 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: What did he say? 165 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, So he said that he was pardoning Hunter because 166 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: he believed that the Hunter had been treated differently as 167 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: the president's son, so. 168 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: Essentially that the justice system hadn't quite worked. 169 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: As right and that it had been biased due to 170 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: Hunter's family connections to the president. He said, no reasonable 171 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: person who looks at the facts of Hunter's cases can 172 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: reach any other conclusion than Hunter was singled out only 173 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: because he was my son, and that is wrong. I 174 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: believe in the justice system, but as I have wrestled 175 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: with this, I also believe raw politics has infected this 176 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: process and it led to a miscarriage of justice. The 177 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: President used the tax case as an example, and he 178 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: said that that was a really clear case of Hunter 179 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: Biden being treated differently. He said, those who were late 180 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: paying their taxes because of serious addictions but paid them 181 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 2: back subsequently with interest and penalties are typically given non 182 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: criminal resolutions, and of course we know that's not what 183 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: happened in Hunter Biden's case. I do just want to 184 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 2: mention something. Joe Biden had previously said that he wouldn't 185 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: do this, and I think that's really significant. So Joe 186 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: Biden had, on various occasions both him and his administration, 187 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: had made clear that he would not pardon his son. 188 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: I remember this coming up as early as the presidential 189 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: debate when Joe Biden was attempting to win office. This 190 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: has been a life political issue for many, many years. 191 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, if you'd say it started, then 192 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: it's been as recently as last month, when the White 193 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 2: House Press Secretary was asked explicitly if this would be 194 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: happening because we know that the term of office is 195 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: almost up, and she said, We've been asked this question 196 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: multiple times. Our answer stands, which is no. But that 197 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: was obviously not to be. 198 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: And so there are clearly a few times factors here. 199 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: One is that the sentencing was coming up in a 200 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: couple of weeks for these cases. The second is that 201 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: the inauguration for Donald Trump is on January the twentieth. 202 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: You know, you've got to make sure that there's some 203 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: runway into that to do the pardons you want to do. 204 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: One question, though, I think a lot of us have 205 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: regarding Donald Trump, is whether he can now overturn that party, 206 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: Whether his arrival into the oval office means that the 207 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: whole thing can be reversed. Can that happen? 208 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: It's a short answer, and the short answer is no. Right, 209 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 2: So pardons can't be reversed. So Joe Biden's decision will 210 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: stand no matter who is in power. And that's significant 211 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: because we know that Donald Trump has said a lot 212 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: about Hunter Biden a lot of the campaign, at least 213 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: when Joe Biden was his opponent focused on Hunter Biden 214 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: and Donald Trump really sticking it to Joe Biden about 215 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: the criminal convictions that his son had. I do just 216 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: want to end on a tidbit though, which I thought 217 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: was interesting. I was looking up who Donald Trump pardoned, 218 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: just because you know, we have an incoming president and 219 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: during his time in office, Donald Trump, among others, pardoned 220 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: Charles Kushner, who is the father of his son in law. 221 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: Follow me yep with Jared So Jared is married to Ivanka, 222 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: his daughter and Jared's father. Charles was convicted of illegal 223 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering. He was pardoned 224 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: by Donald Trump. It was after the fact, he'd already 225 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: served his sentence. It was more just to clear the air. 226 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: And over the weekend we found out that Donald Trump 227 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: has now nominated Kushner as the US ambassador to France. 228 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: On the note of Donald Trump, it's going to be 229 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: interesting to see how he responded this. He has a 230 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: couple of potential pardons on his horizon. There's been a 231 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: number of convictions of members of his team and himself 232 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: since he's been in office. Last and that inauguration. As 233 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: I said is on the twentieth of. 234 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: January, exactly right. 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