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Speaker 1: Infrastructive Minister Catherine King, we find ourselves in a difficult

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Speaker 1: situation here. One of the pros is this is very

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Speaker 1: good for Western Sydney, good for jobs. The downside is

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Speaker 1: the lack of a curfew. I'm led to believe with

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Speaker 1: a lot of people saying, well, why are these flights

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Speaker 1: going to continue from midnight to five am?

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Speaker 2: Well, this airport was always designed as a curfew free airport.

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Speaker 2: That's the reason that it stacks up economically. It's the

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Speaker 2: reason in fact we're having to build a second airport

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Speaker 2: in Sydney in the first place, is because there is

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Speaker 2: a curfew on your Kingsford Smith Airport. That's one of

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Speaker 2: the busiest airports in the country, with eighty flights per

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Speaker 2: our rolling hour coming into that airport. So really this

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Speaker 2: airport and the noise tool and the flight paths at

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Speaker 2: preliminary flight plas we've released yesterday that project out, you

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Speaker 2: know what the projected flights will be up to twenty

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Speaker 2: thirty three, is a much much lower, lower capacity airport.

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Speaker 2: There's also very different airport as well in terms of

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Speaker 2: the residential density around it as a grand Field site.

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Speaker 2: But with that in mind, we do know there will

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Speaker 2: be impacts. You can't build an airport without planes. You

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Speaker 2: can't build an airport without planes flying, and that means there

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Speaker 2: will be an impact. It's why the government has chosen

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Speaker 2: to release the flight paths, these preliminary flight planths early,

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Speaker 2: and I've chosen to develop and build a noise tool

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Speaker 2: which will give the best information we possibly gant can

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Speaker 2: for people to plug in their address and look at

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Speaker 2: how they might be affected right out to twenty thirty three.

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Speaker 2: There'll be an environmental planning process that happens a bit

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Speaker 2: later this year, which looks at things like environmental impact,

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Speaker 2: the noise impact, whether changes need to be made with

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Speaker 2: a compensation by way of insulating houses, or purchase of

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Speaker 2: certain properties have to be made. That'll all be done

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Speaker 2: later in the year, but I wanted people to have

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Speaker 2: as much information now as they could. It's been built,

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Speaker 2: so there was some proof of concept flight paths put

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Speaker 2: out in twenty fifteen when the airport was first mooted

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Speaker 2: around being built and there was a lot of community feedback.

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Speaker 2: Then the flight paths have been designed around that feedback,

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Speaker 2: which was really obviously, we have to be safe at first,

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Speaker 2: we have to make sure that the planes are safe

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Speaker 2: and the flight paths are safe. It's a pretty busy

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Speaker 2: airspace there, but we've also tried to minimize the noise

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Speaker 2: over residential areas as well as minimizing the noise at

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Speaker 2: night as best you can in that congested airspace.

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Speaker 3: So minister, can I just time in here?

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Speaker 4: It's tashed on the news room.

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Speaker 5: You said that this was obviously flagged a while ago

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Speaker 5: at that time, was everyone aware and did you let

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Speaker 5: everyone know that there was not going to be a curfew.

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Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen. I wasn't the minister. Obviously, I've had

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Speaker 2: a change of government in the last years. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: that it was always designed as a curfew free airport.

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Speaker 2: That's always been known very widely that there would be

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Speaker 2: no curfew on this airport.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about the balance too, sorry Tash. When

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Speaker 1: you talk about the balance of this, and you talk

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Speaker 1: about compensation, which is what obviously people are going to

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Speaker 1: start thinking about it as well, double glazing, I suppose,

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Speaker 1: and things like that. There's got to be compromises people

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Speaker 1: perhaps who are thinking, now I'm going to have to

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Speaker 1: move out. These are things that obviously you've considered.

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Speaker 2: Obviously in terms of the flight path designs. We've taken

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Speaker 2: those principles and this isn't you know, it's not me

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Speaker 2: me Catherin King the Minister as politician designing them. They're

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Speaker 2: designed by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, Air Services Australia,

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Speaker 2: Department of Defense and the Western Sydney Airport Operators themselves.

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Speaker 2: So they're technical expertise experts who design those flight paths

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Speaker 2: on the basis of all of those things. But they've

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Speaker 2: taken that into account. But through the Environmental Impact Statement

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Speaker 2: process which happens later this year, the Planning Minister as

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Speaker 2: she goes through looking at what needs to be done

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Speaker 2: in terms of making sure that we've met our environmental approvals,

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Speaker 2: what are the issues around noise? Those are issues that

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Speaker 2: have been lagged in that process, but it's why we

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Speaker 2: wanted to give people information as early as possible to

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Speaker 2: be able to make decisions about how they might be

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Speaker 2: affected or in some cases may not be affected at all.

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Speaker 3: Minister, I just want to ask into everyone. So they've

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Speaker 3: known since twenty fifteen, is it then fair to compensate people?

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Speaker 3: Even though they've already known that this was going to happen,

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Speaker 3: they've jumped into this. They knew, you know, if they're

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Speaker 3: moving there.

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Speaker 4: Since twenty fifteen, since the new airport was going to

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Speaker 4: be there, they've jumped in, they've moved there, and people

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Speaker 4: who are already there at the time, they've had all

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Speaker 4: this time to sort of prepare, and that money couldn't

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Speaker 4: it be better spent, I guess instead of compensating people

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Speaker 4: that knew that this was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, we always know that, you know, there will be

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Speaker 2: an impact of noise on people, and there'll be a

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Speaker 2: small number of households that are really you know, the

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Speaker 2: closer you are, obviously to the runway, the more noise

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Speaker 2: and more affected you will be. So that's always been

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Speaker 2: built into the building of Westerns in the airport, that

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Speaker 2: there would be a need to noise, insulate and possibly

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Speaker 2: purchase some properties that's always been builty. What I would

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Speaker 2: say is sort of going forward is you know, airports are,

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Speaker 2: they're big, they do get busy, and they do develop

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Speaker 2: over a long period of time. I've got before me

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Speaker 2: at the moment, obviously, you know, major planning approvals to

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Speaker 2: look at third runways at Melbourne Airport, for example, this

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Speaker 2: airport will grow over you know, over twenty thirty forty years,

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Speaker 2: this airport will grow. It's really important that in terms

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Speaker 2: of state planning and local planning that those buffers are

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Speaker 2: kept because then you do continue, you do get you know,

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Speaker 2: if there's encroachment on those buffer zones, you get more

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Speaker 2: and more people who somehow come in thinking that they're

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Speaker 2: not going to get noise, and when things change, they will.

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Speaker 2: So it's important in planning going forward that that's put

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Speaker 2: into consideration. In some cases with Canberra Airport for example,

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Speaker 2: when developers actually do build closes, there's actually a caveat

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Speaker 2: on your actual deep that says you need to be

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Speaker 2: aware that this is you know this, you are in

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Speaker 2: this area and this is what will happen. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm making sure people are aware of going forward. I

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Speaker 2: think it's important. But we've designed this with all of

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Speaker 2: the existing residents that are there today.

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Speaker 1: And especially design tool that you said as well, how

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Speaker 1: do people find out about that? Where do they go

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Speaker 1: for that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go on to w SI FlightPaths, dot

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Speaker 2: gog gov dot AU that will get you to the

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Speaker 2: Noise tool. It's an online community portal. There will also

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Speaker 2: be community information sessions and pop up stores at the

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Speaker 2: supermarkets and things like that. So again all of that

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Speaker 2: information will be on that portal. You'll get to meet

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Speaker 2: the people who actually designed the airspace and obviously we're

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Speaker 2: wanting to make sure we can minimize as many much

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Speaker 2: of the unintended consequences of this as we can. But

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Speaker 2: daring in mind, it's that you know, you've got Richmond,

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Speaker 2: you've got rap Richmond, you've got Camden, you've got Bankstown

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Speaker 2: already there and Kingsword smith If flight paths already going

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Speaker 2: in that area as well. So we've done what we

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Speaker 2: can with all of that context, but really do want

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Speaker 2: to hear from the community, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you will. Yeah, okay, we'll leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Infrastructure Minister Catherine King, thanks so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning, and if you'd like to comment on that too,

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Speaker 1: you can go to the WSFM facebook page as well,

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Speaker 1: where you can leave you