WEBVTT - Why do workers go on strike?

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the daily This is the Daily

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<v Speaker 1>ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty second of November.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Zara, I'm Nandini.

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<v Speaker 3>Around a million Sydney siders, myself included. We're preparing for

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<v Speaker 3>major disruptions today after the Rail, Tram and Bus Union

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<v Speaker 3>or the RTBU, announced train workers were going on strike

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<v Speaker 3>until Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Businesses, schools and.

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<v Speaker 3>Communities across Sydney and New South Wales had made contingency

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<v Speaker 3>plans to prepare for a shutdown of train services. However,

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<v Speaker 3>the union has now reached an agreement with the state

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<v Speaker 3>government after multiple rounds of negotiations.

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<v Speaker 2>Nandini, I want to go back to tda's routes this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and tda's routes are to step back from a story

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<v Speaker 2>or from a head deadline and just explain a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more of the terms the context that people need to know.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is one of those stories where I really

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<v Speaker 2>want to do that because we talk about strikes and

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<v Speaker 2>industrial actions so often. You know, I would have run

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<v Speaker 2>out of fingers counting the number of times that we

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<v Speaker 2>have spoken about it on this pod. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that we've ever spent the time actually exploring what

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<v Speaker 2>a strike is and why it happens in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what I really want to get into today.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start really really basic with you here.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we strip it all back and just start with

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<v Speaker 2>why do strikes happen in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>The most common reason we have a strike occur is

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<v Speaker 3>pay disputes. So workers or the union that represents workers,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll go in to unions in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, put a pin in that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they will often call for better wages or

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<v Speaker 3>working conditions. Depending on the sector, workers might strike for

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<v Speaker 3>better overtime pay or to have more say on when

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<v Speaker 3>they're shifted to work and maybe that could help them

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<v Speaker 3>bounce that with personal life.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something we've seen in nurse Put another pin

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<v Speaker 1>in that.

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<v Speaker 2>So essentially they are requesting more, whether that be pay

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<v Speaker 2>or rites or whatever. It is. Like, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>request there from the employees to the employer. But you

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<v Speaker 2>said there that they can go on strike for these things.

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<v Speaker 2>When someone says go on strike, like, what does that

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<v Speaker 2>actually mean?

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll often hear strikes being called industrial action as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Day to day will notice a strike happen because people

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<v Speaker 3>walk off the job, they don't show up to work,

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<v Speaker 3>and that could involve train worker is not showing up

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<v Speaker 3>to the train stations so trains aren't running.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So that's like a really clear obvious example of

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<v Speaker 2>a strike.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And when that strike is occurring, workers often are instead

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<v Speaker 3>protesting or rallying or showing up to demonstrations to renew

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<v Speaker 3>their calls to the government or to their employer.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's only one version of a strike, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>there can be other forms of industrial action. What are they?

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<v Speaker 3>It can include really simple things like workers wearing campaign

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<v Speaker 3>shirts or wearing badges around their workplace with a particular slogan.

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, with nurses and midwives in New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 3>they had a campaign that they called value Us and

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that they're trying to campaign about. I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to use the Rail, train and Bus union as an

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<v Speaker 3>example because this is one that we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 3>all week and we've been seeing in the news and

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<v Speaker 3>they've been taking industrial action for months. And this could

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<v Speaker 3>even include things like boundaries. They did this thing where

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<v Speaker 3>they would have to leave at least thirty seconds between

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<v Speaker 3>every phone call to create delays, or even running a

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<v Speaker 3>train every second service, meaning that you have to wait

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<v Speaker 3>longer between your trains. You might have noticed some train

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<v Speaker 3>workers wearing shirts around stations. You might not have, but

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<v Speaker 3>these strikes that are complete work stoppages are the ones

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<v Speaker 3>that we really take notice of you as an average person.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So they're going out there and they're asking for

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<v Speaker 2>changes to be made for workers in whatever specific industry

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about. One of the things, and it might

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<v Speaker 2>be a silly question, but one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>comes up when I read these stories is what happens

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<v Speaker 2>to an employee who or a worker who walks off

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<v Speaker 2>the job and who you know doesn't show up to work.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens to those people? Do they get in trouble

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<v Speaker 2>at work?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, firstly, I wanted to say there are no silly questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Andthony, you can buy our book No Silly

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<v Speaker 2>Questions available today.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is where unions come into play. So you've

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<v Speaker 3>probably heard of a bunch of different unions in the news.

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<v Speaker 3>We've mentioned the RTBU today.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you just pause there? What is a union?

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<v Speaker 3>So a union is a body that represents workers. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it's often their voice it's like the middleman that talks

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<v Speaker 3>between the employees and the employer to advocate for better

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<v Speaker 3>working rights conditions or whatever they're asking for.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if we use media as an example, that

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<v Speaker 2>MEAA is the Media Industries union, but there's a different

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<v Speaker 2>one for all sorts of industries.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, every industry has their own union. So strikes are

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<v Speaker 3>organized by the union, and the workers who take part

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<v Speaker 3>in strikes are union members. Being a union member usually

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<v Speaker 3>involves paying a membership fee. It could be weekly, monthly, annually,

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<v Speaker 3>depending on the union. And the idea is that the

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<v Speaker 3>union protects you and allows.

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<v Speaker 1>You to go on strike.

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<v Speaker 3>So you get certain protections by being a union member.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's see's an example of you and Azara.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say we're both nurses. We're not.

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<v Speaker 3>For this example, we are and Zara, you're a union

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<v Speaker 3>member and I'm not, and the Nurses and Midwives Association,

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<v Speaker 3>which is our union, they're going on strike. You could

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<v Speaker 3>go on strike and be protected by it, but because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a union member, there is an expectation for

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<v Speaker 3>me to still be at work.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I understand. So the people who are going on

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<v Speaker 2>strike are part of a union and therefore their employer

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<v Speaker 2>can't come down on them for not being at work

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<v Speaker 2>versus someone who's not part of a union, and that

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<v Speaker 2>would be a very different response.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back with the deep dive after this quick

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<v Speaker 2>note from our sponsor. You refer to the union there

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<v Speaker 2>as almost the middleman. Can you just go into that

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<v Speaker 2>a bit further, the middleman between who and why.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're going to be talking a lot about the

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<v Speaker 3>public sector today, but I want to note that unions

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<v Speaker 3>exist also in the private sector. So for instance, Coles

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<v Speaker 3>and Woowarts they have a retail and fast food workers union.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're going to be touching a lot on government

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<v Speaker 3>or public jobs. So the union being the middleman, represents

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<v Speaker 3>the workers or employees. That's your nurses, your police officers,

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<v Speaker 3>your teachers. And then on the other side is the

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<v Speaker 3>government or if we're not in the public sector, it

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<v Speaker 3>would be the holes or.

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<v Speaker 2>Will work, so the employer and so the government is

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<v Speaker 2>involved because they are the ones that are setting the wages,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, for the public sector.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, I'm going to use an example to make this

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<v Speaker 3>make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, We're.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to look at the New South Wales nurses and

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<v Speaker 3>midwives Association because they've been striking for months now and

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<v Speaker 3>it really took off after over in Victoria, nurses and

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<v Speaker 3>midwives got a pay rise of twenty eight percent over

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<v Speaker 3>four years. Now when it comes to the New South

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<v Speaker 3>Wales nurses and midwives, they've been asking the state government

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<v Speaker 3>for a fifteen percent pay increase alongside other working conditions

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<v Speaker 3>and overtime rights. But the main thing we're looking at

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<v Speaker 3>here is the pay increase. So then what happens is

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<v Speaker 3>as a back and forth between the state government and

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<v Speaker 3>the union representatives that represent the workers. This is where

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<v Speaker 3>they're trying to negotiate an agreement in terms of the

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<v Speaker 3>best pay outcome that the government is happy with and

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<v Speaker 3>that the union and the workers are. So the New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales government came back with an offer of ten

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<v Speaker 3>point five percent over a three year period.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's not what they had asked for.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they asked for fifteen percent. So the union takes

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<v Speaker 3>this government offer back to their members and consults with them.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it gets put to a vote, other times it

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<v Speaker 3>might be really clear that they don't want to agree

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<v Speaker 3>with the government, and in the case of the New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales nurses and midwives they did not reach an

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<v Speaker 3>agreement and that is when they took further strike action.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, understood, So that's still a live I guess negotiation.

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<v Speaker 2>There hasn't been a conclusion that's been reached, or at

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<v Speaker 2>least not one that either side is happy with. Do

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<v Speaker 2>we have any recent examples when negotiations were successful, just

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<v Speaker 2>I guess to prove the point of how this can

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<v Speaker 2>turn out a bit differently.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So just this month, New South Wales police were

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<v Speaker 3>offered a pay rise of up to thirty nine percent

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<v Speaker 3>over a four year period from the New South Wales government. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>mind you, not all officers received the thirty nine percent.

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<v Speaker 3>It sort of depends on where in the ranks they

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<v Speaker 3>stand and how long they've been serving in the force.

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<v Speaker 3>They were also offered a couple other bonuses, such as

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<v Speaker 3>retention payments, to encourage police officers to stay in the

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<v Speaker 3>force for longer. When the government made this offer, the

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<v Speaker 3>president of the police union basically made a video announcement

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<v Speaker 3>explaining what the offer that the government provided, and it

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<v Speaker 3>also said that it endorsed this offer. It advised its

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<v Speaker 3>union members that they think this is a good offer,

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<v Speaker 3>and they basically said that we think it's the best

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<v Speaker 3>we can get yep. And that offer from the government

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<v Speaker 3>then gets put to a vote to its union members

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<v Speaker 3>on whether or not they want to agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and in that situation it was agreed too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course with the New South Wales Rail, Tram

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<v Speaker 3>and Bus union it's now also been successful. The looming

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<v Speaker 3>threat of no train services for over two days across

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<v Speaker 3>New South Wales has been just enough for the state

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<v Speaker 3>government to reach an agreement with the union YEP. Currently

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<v Speaker 3>the understanding is that strikes have been postponed and.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have any idea what's been agreed to in

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<v Speaker 2>order to I guess postpone those strikes and that shutdown

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<v Speaker 2>of the rail system.

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<v Speaker 1>So for this we need a little bit of context.

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<v Speaker 3>The Rail, Train and Bus union has been calling for

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four hour train services over weekends. Now this is

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<v Speaker 3>pretty unusual because workers often strike.

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<v Speaker 1>When they want to work less.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but in this case they're actually advocating for twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four hour services over the weekend. Initially, the state's transport minister,

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<v Speaker 3>that's Joe Halen, said that twenty four hour train services

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<v Speaker 3>would eventually lead to the failure of our rail network. However,

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<v Speaker 3>now that New South Wales Premier Chris Mins has agreed

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<v Speaker 3>to let trains run for twenty four hours over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>The strikes have been postponed.

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<v Speaker 2>So people listening this morning will be able to catch

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<v Speaker 2>a train as normal and as.

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<v Speaker 1>Planned exactly, and also over Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's important to note that these strikes haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been outright canceled. It's not completely off the table because

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<v Speaker 3>there are still details that the union and the government

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<v Speaker 3>need to iron out, and so if another disagreement does

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<v Speaker 3>come up and negotiations fail, we could see another potential strike.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting and I think one of those examples

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<v Speaker 2>we're just stepping back and trying to understand a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of the jargon that sits behind the story is actually

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<v Speaker 2>really helpful, and I know it will help me when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reading stories about other strikes, because as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>there are so many that are still live that haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been resolved yet. So thank you for that, Mandini, you're worried,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you for joining us for another week of

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<v Speaker 3>the lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to

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<v Speaker 3>all Aboriginal and Torres Strait island and nations.

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<v Speaker 1>We pay our respects to the first peoples of these countries,

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<v Speaker 1>both past and present.