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Speaker 1: Dumb mission with Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: So by now you would have seen Tony Abbot and

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Speaker 2: his speech that he made at the UK Trade Envoy

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Speaker 2: and I read it yesterday in the Telegraph, And what

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Speaker 2: I've learned about Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott is a very

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Speaker 2: smart man, and he's very pragmatic as well, and I

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Speaker 2: think his pragmatism might outweigh his compassion. So more or less,

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Speaker 2: he has claimed it was costing the Australian government as

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Speaker 2: much as two hundred thousand dollars to give an elderly

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Speaker 2: person an extra year's life, substantially beyond the government what

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Speaker 2: the government would usually pay for life saving drugs.

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Speaker 1: He was saying that during this COVID crisis, families maybe

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Speaker 1: let their elderly family members die of natural causes rather

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Speaker 1: than funded isn't it? Nicely trained as a priest, with

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Speaker 1: all that compassion.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of bit if you read the

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Speaker 2: whole article, he's not actually just saying let old people die.

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Speaker 2: He's playing a little bit of Devil's Advocate about it.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of media outlets have cherry picked those bits.

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Speaker 1: But he is talking about he said the hard conversation

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Speaker 1: of how much is a life worth and making a

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Speaker 1: maths decision.

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Speaker 2: And that's why he's very pragmatic. But pragmatic can seem

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Speaker 2: it's not very compassionate, is it. You know, my father

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Speaker 2: was a pragmatist and I've been raised in that world

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Speaker 2: and there is a degree of a lack of compassion

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Speaker 2: that comes through that. I'm not saying my dad wasn't compassionate,

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Speaker 2: but when they give the hard facts, you go okay.

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Speaker 1: Some people are also saying he's over there working. He

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Speaker 1: wants to get a job there, employed by Boris Johnson

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Speaker 1: as a post Brexit trade envoy. People are saying, will

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Speaker 1: he be working for them? I don't think he's working

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Speaker 1: on Australia's best interest. So why is he still then

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Speaker 1: being paid all those entitlements and ex Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: Gets I can't answer that question. He did go on

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Speaker 2: to say.

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Speaker 3: This, every life is precious and every death is sad,

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Speaker 3: but that's never stopped families sometimes electing to make elderly

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Speaker 3: relatives as comfortable as possible while nature takes its course.

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Speaker 2: So the whole financial aspect. So I'm watching the news

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Speaker 2: last night, and like me, you probably feel quite fatigued

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Speaker 2: with the amount of your information week.

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Speaker 1: But the big news yesterday is we are in.

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Speaker 2: Recession recess, but really, let's just break it down a bit.

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Speaker 2: We were told we were going to be in recession

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Speaker 2: three months ago, so this is not new news. But

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Speaker 2: then Hugh Riminton delivered I think probably the most articulate

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Speaker 2: part of or the best graft that I've seen about

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Speaker 2: how we compare to the rest of the world financially.

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Speaker 4: Does the economic argument stack up? The US, where freedoms

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Speaker 4: are cherished, has thirteen times Australia's population but two hundred

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Speaker 4: and eighty times our death toll, and his GDP has

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Speaker 4: shrunk nine percent in the latest quarter after falling thirty

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Speaker 4: three percent in the three months before. Britain, which was

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Speaker 4: slower than us to respond, has nearly three times our

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Speaker 4: population but more than sixty times our death toll, and

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Speaker 4: its GDP is down more than twenty percent in the

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Speaker 4: last three months.

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Speaker 2: And the big one, what about us?

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Speaker 4: Our death toll is far lower and the economic damage,

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Speaker 4: appalling as it is, is so far much less.

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Speaker 2: We're at seven p.

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Speaker 1: Which just shows you can have compassions and cop the

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Speaker 1: economic hit when still not as bad as we've been

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Speaker 1: as we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: And that's the take home from this. Two hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty times in the US their death rate compared to us,

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Speaker 2: they're at nine percent.

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Speaker 1: That's after a hit of thirty Britain.

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Speaker 2: Sixty times our death rate and they've got still got

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Speaker 2: twenty percent. We're doing this. We're doing this really well.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I got out of it. So go

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Speaker 2: to work today and feel you know, we're doing this. Okay,

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Speaker 2: were your masks do all that.

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Speaker 1: Stuff and we can take care of our elderly without fear.

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Speaker 1: You've got to make a decision.

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Speaker 2: We can have our cake and eat it. This is

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Speaker 2: really good stuff

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Speaker 4: With join Z and Amanda