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Speaker 1: We know that a Darwin school, a school in our

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Speaker 1: is set to result in toilets being locked during class time.

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Speaker 2: In a bid to curb anti social behavior.

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Speaker 1: Now to Mid Mid College says the move is to

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Speaker 1: ensure the safety of students, with toilet blocks to be

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Speaker 1: reopened outside of teaching time. Now, joining me on the

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Speaker 1: is the chair of to Mid Mid College, Beverly Rata.

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Speaker 2: He Good morning to you, Beverly.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners. Firstly,

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Speaker 3: I'll just let you know it's not a new policy.

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Speaker 3: It actually started in term four last year and it

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Speaker 3: worked beautifully in term four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So what's changed this term? Well, what's mean

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Speaker 1: the uproar? I know that a couple of students have

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Speaker 1: taken to social media unhappy about it, But Bev, I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming it must have been pretty bad for the school

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Speaker 1: to get to the point where they've had to take

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Speaker 3: Yes, And the starting point, Katie is we actually have

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Speaker 3: a responsibility for the safety of all our students and staff.

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Speaker 3: And this was actually a student led request last year

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Speaker 3: because there were a lot, including our student leadership teams

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Speaker 3: who identified a lot of students didn't feel safe using

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Speaker 3: or saying, there was filth, there was vandalism, which costs

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Speaker 3: tens of thousands of dollars which should be going into

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Speaker 3: resources for all the kids. So you know we've responded

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Speaker 3: to that. There was consultation between student staff surveys. We

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Speaker 3: put the policy out to parents last year. As I said,

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Speaker 3: we didn't have any complaints at all in term four

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Speaker 3: last year. So as with everything, nothing is ever set

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Speaker 3: and forget. It's always a cycle of you know, your plan,

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Speaker 3: implement then your reviews. So I understand the principle has

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Speaker 3: been in contact with those parents as they concerns and

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Speaker 3: we'll be meeting with those. They'll also be a review

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Speaker 3: in week five, and I believe another school survey. But importantly,

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Speaker 3: you know last year KD I said to you several

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Speaker 3: happened over the last eighteen months since the school ways

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Speaker 3: comfortables were taken out of school. So you know, as

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Speaker 3: we go back, we've seen what's happened in Casina Shopping

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Speaker 3: Square the last couple of days. And it's interesting that

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Speaker 3: in June twenty twenty one, so over eighteen months ago,

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Speaker 3: Sanderson Palmerston, and I think has Lena all to then

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Speaker 3: please Minister Manison with our significant concerns about not replace

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Speaker 3: not putting comfortables back in and replacing them with altimol.

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Speaker 3: So you know, we identified all the issues about the

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Speaker 3: value of comfortables, diffusing conflicts and the parents and positive

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Speaker 3: role modeling, relationship building. But you know, it.

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Speaker 1: Seems like, I mean, it seems like they're digging their

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Speaker 2: It does seem as though you know.

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Speaker 1: They're not they're not going to change their attacked or

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Speaker 1: are they telling you anything different.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was pleasing Minister Warden last year an estimate.

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Speaker 3: It's actually indicated that she with a fresh set of eyes.

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Speaker 3: And we've got Minister law La Bac who has forty

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Speaker 3: that's actually pleasing. And I actually have heard that there

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Speaker 3: was some that being gathered in police that showed constables

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Speaker 3: have been taken out of schools, the actual responses and

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Speaker 3: call out to police have increased significantly. So it's false economy, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We'll put in an auxiliary because it's cheap, but it's

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Speaker 3: not cheaper the long run. And look at all the

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Speaker 1: Well, we're certainly seeing some real issues at the moment

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Speaker 1: down this path when it comes to you know, to

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Speaker 1: the to the policy of the bathrooms. Just tell me, Bev.

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Speaker 1: I know that it's being reported that obviously that students

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Speaker 1: media page. I mean, what luck from your perspective as

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Speaker 3: Well, I haven't had any direct responses at all. I

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Speaker 3: I went into the the girls bathroom. There were four

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Speaker 3: Nothing good happens with four girls in one at a time.

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Speaker 3: And I guess this highlight the idealism versus reality. Yes,

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Speaker 3: ideally you'd like to think the twelve hundred students are

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh, look, and you'll probably find that you know

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Speaker 1: this morning will support this. As a parent, think to myself,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would be happy with it if it

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Speaker 1: meant that the kids were safe and if there wasn't

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Speaker 1: vaping and other things going on inside that toilet block, some.

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Speaker 3: Of them are criminal, right the video to paping other

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Speaker 3: kids in toilet block is a criminal act. Yes, not

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Speaker 3: forget that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you spot on hey on a separate matter, and

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Speaker 1: I am pressed for time, But on a separate matter,

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Speaker 1: I know that concerns have been raised about airflow in

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Speaker 1: the refurbished teachers area Block fifteen, I believe is what

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Speaker 1: it is. How was the airflow not factored into the

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Speaker 3: Well, the board has been very concerned about this because

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Speaker 3: it appears that the true extent may have been concealed

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Speaker 3: safety report because I think there's been breaches of that Act,

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Speaker 3: you know it with teachers last week, as you know,

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Speaker 3: we had those that hot sill. The classrooms are up

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Speaker 3: to forty degrees, well over the recommended limits for CO two.

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Speaker 3: A whole heap of issues. But let me just say

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Speaker 2: So bebs, Look, how bad is this?

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Speaker 1: I mean for our listeners, they'll be thinking, oh, you know,

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Speaker 2: How bad is this?

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Speaker 3: Well, we're probably fortunate because what the one end of

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Speaker 3: ten students. If we had twenty seven students in those classrooms,

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Speaker 3: I'd suggest the whole system would be falling down. And

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Speaker 3: you know, you're taking forty degrees. I think there's actually

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Speaker 3: some workplaces that have a you have to go home

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Speaker 3: added issue of CO two levels. You know, they make

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Speaker 3: very concerning. It's not fix shit, and I would be

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Speaker 3: very concerned. I'm going through the certificate of occupancy at

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Speaker 3: the moment. I'd be very concerned if there were any

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Speaker 3: if that building wasn't ready after twelve months. Twelve months

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Speaker 3: it's taken to refurbish a building.

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Speaker 2: So we're too from here with this block.

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Speaker 3: Well, thankfully with Minister Lawa's intervention, I believe parts are

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Speaker 3: being ordered. I've seen this morning on the certificate of

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Speaker 3: off on the twenty fifth of January that the supply

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Speaker 3: airflow is less than a design airflow and they said

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Speaker 3: in some areas where there is a shortage. Well that's

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Speaker 3: clearly wrong. So to me, there's a few issues about

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Speaker 3: we're doing to report because I referred significant work health

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Speaker 3: Seed Men in September last year about escalating levels of

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Speaker 3: appropriate reporting was done. So I'll be doing that report

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Speaker 3: on behalf of the board to ensure that we've recorded

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Speaker 3: our concerned But it does sad the question. Well, then

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Speaker 3: let us not forget Katie, we've got a glossy teacher

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Speaker 3: wellbeing strategy. So the teachers that contacted me and the

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Speaker 1: Well, Beverly Ratahi, the chair of the to midmin College Board,

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Speaker 1: We're about to catch up with the Education Department. We'll

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Speaker 1: see what we can find out. I really appreciate you

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Speaker 3: If they've actually done a report to the workhouse in safety,

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Speaker 3: I'd be very interested in having a look at that. Well.

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Speaker 1: Beverly, thank you very much for having a chat with

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Speaker 2: Always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie very much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you