WEBVTT - UNDER THE INFLUENCE: Sarah Davidson (Holloway) 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.160 It's so sad. Like one of my favorite quotes is, 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.880 doubt kills the more dreams than failure ever will. It's 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.240 so sad to think of how many dreams never made it, 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.319 not because the actual thing was too hard to do, 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.640 because the person's doubt took them out of it before 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.959 they got started. There's so many sliding doors moments in 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:18.599 my life where things could have gone one way or 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.560 another without you know, like there's such a tiny chance 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:22.919 that it would have gone one way or the other. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.360 And that was obviously the very first one that I 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.280 had no consciousness of at the time and no appreciation 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:32.120 of until gosh, I mean maybe my teen is when 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.880 I was like, oh god, I could have actually ended 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.559 up living in what was a third world country at 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.800 the time and not having any of these opportunities. So 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:44.600 that's made me always instilled a real sense of gratitude 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.480 and appreciation and an attitude of like makes the most 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.600 of everything because you almost didn't have it, or you 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:50.519 could have not had it. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.080 Hello and welcome to Outspoken. Today, we have a real 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.520 treat for anyone looking for some inspo. We're joined by 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.920 the creative, funny, talented, and gorgeous Sarah Holloway, who's now 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.160 known as Sarah Davidson after getting married just two months ago. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.520 Sarah is a former lawyer turned co founder of Green 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:13.040 Tea Empire, Matcha Maiden and Matcha Milk Bar. She also 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.880 runs a hugely popular podcast, Sees the Ya. Sarah, thank 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.360 you so much for joining us. We hear you've had 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:25.039 obviously a huge twenty nineteen. First congrats you've joined us 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.000 in the thirty club and you've. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:31.520 Also the best club, and you've. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.360 Also gotten married to your partner of ten years. Can 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:35.880 you tell us about the big day? 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.959 Oh my gosh, yes, it's still quite fresh in the memory. 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.840 I was just looking back today at how long it's been. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.480 It's been two months officially of married life, and yeah, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.640 we had the most perfect day. It was absolutely beautiful. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.280 I think we made a very conscious decision right at 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.480 the beginning, Like I'm a little bit of a like 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.920 ocd A type personality at the best of time, so 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.160 I had to make a decision at the very beginning 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.880 that if anything was going to be too stressful, we 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:07.440 were going to cut it. We just wanted it to 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:12.280 be an amazing, happy, fun party with you know, no 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.120 bridezilla no stressing and just wanted everyone to have the 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.040 best time and it was so so beautiful. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.880 Now, for those who don't know, you are a massive 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.840 fan of punts, and I love the fact that you 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.919 managed to incorporate the saying MATCHA made in Heaven into 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.800 your wedding. Was that important for you to get in? 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.560 Oh? Absolutely. I think we just wanted to inject as 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.320 much of our personality as we could into it. And 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.840 also like those were the things that kind of made it, 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.519 made us not take it too seriously and just inject 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.720 a bit of fun. And you know, at the whole 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.160 five past five years, so half our relationship has been 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.000 on the match of mission and building our business together 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.560 or both our MATCHA based businesses together. So we just 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.960 thought that was a really nice way to honor a 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.840 big part of our story. And it's a pun that 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.320 is perfect for a wedding because you know you're making 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.120 the perfect match. And then we actually got a big 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.079 neon sign as well. And neither of our names worked 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.000 very well for any other kind of marriage, Hasha, you 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.120 know how some people's names work really well. So we're like, oh, 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.160 well that can be our That's He's good. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.480 I was gonna say, you said you would try not 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.320 to make it too stressful stressful, but did you feel 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.200 any pressure to have it be sort of an instagram 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:31.320 worthy wedding? I suppose both of you having large followings. 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.440 I think I think we might have, like at the 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.760 very very beginning, I think we probably thought about that, 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.360 but we didn't have I mean, we're like, you know, 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.960 F grade celebrities at the best like best case scenario, 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.040 so we didn't have the pressures that some people do 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.240 if they know they've got a magazine deal or something 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.560 like that. It probably just runs for our heads kind 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.920 of in the background that we might have, you know, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.840 a few people interested in what it looked like, but 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.680 in the end, most of the people who we knew 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.440 would be our guests were family and friends who either 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.120 don't have Instagram, haven't heard of it, or you know, 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.680 there were very very few people there who actually kind 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.680 of understand that world, so we knew it wouldn't be 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.720 sort of an instagramm evetting just by the guests and stuff. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.680 So I think that took a lot of the pressure out. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.640 And when we're you know, our family selves, like both 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.600 our families are from the countryside, we go back to 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:28.360 very basic, like Bogan people. So we definitely wanted it 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.560 to be really beautiful and aesthetic, and we knew it 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.520 also had amazing, amazing photographers, but it wasn't kind of 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.400 a pressure. I don't think we made any decisions based 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.359 on that. It was more just what we wanted it 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.880 to look and feel like. And you know, we went 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.640 to a venue that we could have chosen something very 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.480 minimal and like black and white and monochrome, but we 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.720 went something that felt really homely and much more greenery, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.840 and that matched the whole kind of match of things. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.279 So I think it was really good that we had 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.440 a big chat at the beginning about what was important 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.560 to us and what wasn't. And I think you can 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.080 get totally carried away in the wedding process and missed 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.920 the fun parts or the loved up, you know, spontaneous, 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.159 relaxed parts. So I'm so glad we made an intention 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.000 at the beginning to not get carried away, and then 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.800 it ended up just being the best time. Like every 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.960 supplier has just constantly was like, can you be a 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:25.480 little bit more stressed because we're just not sure what 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.840 you want? Because we were so easy, I was like whatever, 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.760 and they're like, I'm a little bit more direction. 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.520 So you definitely weren't a bridezill of it. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.720 No, we were like, yeah, the total opposite. We gave 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.919 our suppliers, you know, maybe a color scheme and like 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.640 a few reference pictures and then after that we're like, okay, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.640 you do it. We trust you, and they were like, oh, 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.960 that's pressure. But we you know, we really trusted that. 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.000 We chose them because they were amazing, and we had 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.320 a couple of key things like the neon sign. We 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.040 really wanted to have the hashtag, you know, as a 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.440 big feature, but everything else was just whatever. I'm like, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.520 we chose all the default cutlery, the default linen, like 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.000 everything was just the kind of basic option. And I 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.480 don't think anyone remembers any of that anyway. So yeah, 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:14.920 we were so happy. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.720 Now, of course, you are the founder of Tea Empire, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.320 Matcha Maiden, and Matcha Milk Bar, but you also run 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.360 an incredible podcast, ses Thea. Now you like to start 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.719 every episode by asking guests what's the most down to 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.880 earth thing about them, So we'd love to finally find 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:28.680 that out about you. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.839 Oh my god, Oh I always get to ask it 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:42.320 brushes off. Oh my gosh, I think probably my bluepoons, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.200 the fact that I have a lot of chins at 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.640 certain angles, the fact that I love to celebrate those chins. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.960 There's so much that's down to earth about me, and 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.479 I think because you know, most of the start of 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.520 my life and the start of my career was a 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.480 very non fish your non fancy, non instagram the kind 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.200 of world. It still feels a little bit new to 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.920 me to be in a more glossy, fancy kind of 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.720 kind of lifestyle. So really, when we're not at events, 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.960 or when we're not doing outward facing client things or 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.120 podcasts or event or you know, live events or whatever, 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.760 it is that I'm always just in my quondous pajamas 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:28.040 with no makeup on. I like, I am a big 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:32.640 nose picker, like have very small eyes when I don't 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:37.400 wear eyemaker. I love, yeah, all the bloopoos. Every time 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.640 we do a professional photo shoot. I've made it a 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:44.440 little a little personal kind of way to keep myself 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.440 grounded that, you know, when I've been posting too many 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.360 pretty photos with lots of makeup at an event with 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.400 professional lighting and all that stuff, I have to cancel 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.040 it out. With like the ugliest photos that I can 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:58.280 possibly do, and they, yeah, they keep me really down 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.600 to earth. So there's like a whole highlight on my 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.240 Instagram of them. If you ever just want to have 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.160 a chuckle, I love that. 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.240 You do that, because so much of Instagram is it's 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.760 just so fake, and I know it does make people 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.400 feel bad about themselves. Do you wish that more people 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.600 on Instagram did their own bloopers? 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:19.040 Real? Absolutely? I think it's I don't it's funny. I 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.840 think that for a lot of in a lot of cases, 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.200 it can be really fake and quite convoluted, and people 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.600 are really only choosing to put certain things out there 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.080 for other people. It might not necessarily be that they're 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.520 being fake. It's just that they don't think to post 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.120 those other moments. They don't really they might not even 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.360 know how useful it can be to other people. So 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.920 I think it would be awesome for more people to 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.240 understand how good that can be for other people. Because 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.560 I started doing it because I knew how much it 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:49.000 reassured me when other people who seemed to be consistently 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.240 immaculately groomed and looking perfectly styled, and you know, you 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.360 forget that in between those moments there's a lot of 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.200 real stuff, and when they show it, it just makes 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.280 you feel not better about yourself because they look ugly 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.440 or anything, but just more like human. It makes me 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.679 realize we're all human, we all have those moments. And 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:09.720 it also helped me feel less uncomfortable about the fact 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.280 that I was only posting the highlight moments. I just 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.520 felt a little bit like my relationship with the platform 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.800 feels awkward when I don't feel like I'm being completely 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.040 rounded in what I'm showing. And it is hard because 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.800 sometimes in your downtime you don't feel like taking a photo. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.480 That's just part of the behavior. But since I've started 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.040 making an effort to show all of the side, including 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:38.200 the bits in between, I've had such wonderful feedback from 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:42.240 other people who have like big following, small followings, who 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:43.719 are on the platform a lot, who aren't on the 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.200 platform a lot. And it's also made me personally feel 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.959 like you almost take the pressure off yourself as well 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.920 to be so perfectly manicured and groomed all the time, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.720 because once you know people have seen the worst photo 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.120 of you in the world, you're like everything else is 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.320 a bonus, So it kind of also improved my own 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.560 relationship with the whole world because it's a heart you know, 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.959 it's a new world. It's a hard environment to get 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.720 comfortable with, and I think if more people were willing 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:11.840 to show some of the bits that they might otherwise 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.880 have been scared of showing, it will encourage everyone to 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.480 feel like the standard is more realistic. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:19.640 Oh that's so true. 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.400 I mean it is so scary as well when you 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:25.280 see how many young people are on Instagram, and I 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.760 heard some crazy stat that some teenagers aren't even going 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.880 to parties because they feel like they can't even live 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.640 up to their Instagram photos. Do you know, I know, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:36.760 is that what you kind of think about? I mean, 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.760 obviously you're putting it out there so others might do 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.400 the same and feel better, But are you mindful of 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:42.600 your younger following? 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:48.480 Absolutely? And I think that's probably where why it's become 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.640 something that I try and do more and more, because 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:54.240 I do appreciate so much that I didn't have to 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.800 face that when I was a teenager, and I do 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.360 increasingly think as I we you know, we get closer 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.680 to planning to have children, I get just so concerned 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.520 about the world that they will enter into having that 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.480 from the time that they're really really young. So it's 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.280 almost with that in mind that I think I need 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.680 to start doing what I can to mold the platform 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.080 in a way that it might be a little bit 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.160 of a safer, less precious in place by the time 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.440 we have children and they're using social media. But definitely 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.920 the younger audience, how impressionable they are, how much stuff 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.520 out there there is that is misleading and that does 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.600 lead to behaviors as much as them not going to 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:37.120 things in real life, Like that's just so sad, And yeah, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.280 it just makes me so sad thinking that that could 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.560 even be, you know, someone's life because we didn't have that. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.360 So yeah, I think that. Yeah, the future generations and 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.800 the younger generations now are definitely something I think about. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.280 And talking about younger is You've previously described yourself as 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.120 a child as someone who is artsy, fatsi and an ubernert. 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.360 What were you like as a kid and did you. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.439 See yourself going down the path of running your own 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:03.200 business one day? 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.360 Yeah, so definitely I was super arty, Fatzi. Even the 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.120 fact that I use words like that, I've always been 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:15.120 like that like really fluffy language, really like I was 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.480 always dressed in two twos. I was ballerina until I 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.880 was gosh, I was fifteen, I think when I left 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.959 the Australian Ballet. But when I was younger and it 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.440 was less serious, I was always just performing and making 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.000 concerts and like making two tuos out of like seven 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:36.959 layers of my mum's dresses, or painting makeup on other people. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.559 Like Yeah, I'd loved to draw and listen to music, 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.280 and then as I got older, i'd kind of write 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.440 music and I loved everything. It's so interesting that I 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.199 in my school years I kind of went a lot 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.520 more the academic pathway on the other side of my brain. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.520 But when I was younger, I was very, very like 0:12:54.520 --> 0:13:01.280 curious about the art, and I had such a strong network, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.280 such a strong family network. And both sides of our 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.000 family are from the countryside, so I think we had 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.760 a city kid upbringing in that all the opportunities that 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.960 were available here we were able to make the most of. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:13.640 But then we also spend a lot of time on 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.240 the dairy farms and out in the countries, so I've 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.480 also had that real supportive It takes a village kind 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.240 of feel of having country communities around us as well. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.080 And yeah, when I look back at my childhood, I 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.400 just think of it being so happy, really happy, full 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:33.240 of excitement, and yeah, that's what I come back to 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.480 now when I think about how we all have that 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.679 kind of fun silly in a child, and we let 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.679 that person go for a little while, but I try 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:43.600 and come back to her. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.320 I've heard you speak in the past about sometimes you 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.440 think how different your life could have been. Obviously you 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.280 were born in South Korea and being adopted at such 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.000 a young age. Do you still think about that what 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.000 life might have been like if you were still in 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.080 South Korea always? 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.520 I think that's probably been one of my biggest drivers 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.080 for I guess, like most things that I do, just 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:11.480 thinking about how I could Like, there's so many sliding 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.400 doors moments in my life where things could have gone 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.040 one way or another without you know, like there's such 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:17.679 a tiny chance that it would have gone one way 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.200 or the other. And that was obviously the very first 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.560 one that I had no consciousness of at the time 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.680 and no appreciation of until gosh, I mean maybe my 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.920 teen years when I was like, oh God, like I 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.880 could have actually ended up living in what was the 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.880 third World country at the time and not having any 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.600 of these opportunities. So that's made me always instilled a 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:42.120 real sense of gratitude and appreciation and an attitude of like, 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.560 make the most of everything because you almost didn't have it, 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.200 or you could have not had it, which has probably 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:48.920 been one of the reasons why I burn out so 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:50.720 often as well, because I do get a little bit 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.080 carried away and trying to fit everything in and be 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.840 part of every sport and every club and everything. But yeah, 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.240 it's definitely driven a lot of my choices and a 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:07.239 lot of my attitude towards things. Has always made volunteer 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:11.440 work and philanthropy a really big part of everything that 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.120 I've done. So when I was a lawyer, you know, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.720 there are lots of legal clinics who can volunteer out 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.920 there are also volunteer opportunities, and then when I left 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.680 the law, we kind of transferred that into we worked 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.440 in Rwanda and some schools to build classrooms and teach 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.440 classes and you know what. You know, for both Nick 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.040 and I had always been important to have a volunteer 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.760 component to what we do because his mum was also 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.800 actually adopted. Oh yeah, I know, it's so crazy. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.520 You spoke about the sliding doors moments. Was that one 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.120 of the moments when you were deciding between law and 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.440 whether you're going to pursue much a maide as your 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:48.160 main career. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.000 Yes, definitely that was. I think the next big sliding 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:57.920 moment was that big career change and deciding whether to 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.560 go with something that wasn't Actually. One of the things 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.440 I try and talk about often is that when you're 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.800 really unhappy, you'll make a change. But if you're not 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.640 super unhappy, but you're not happy, like you're just blah, 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.560 you're not as you know, there's nothing to kind of 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.720 push you to make a change because it's not that bad, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.520 you know. And because it wasn't bad, I was like, 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.400 I could keep doing this, I could go for a 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.520 great wage, a lot of learning opportunities, there were great 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.000 travel opportunities within my firm, and it was obviously quite 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.800 a respectable career that you could take in lots of directions. 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:31.360 It was well paid. You know, there were so many 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.320 reasons why it was a good option. But then there 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.200 was this kind of really uncertain but also potentially amazing, 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.760 totally out of the blue opportunity that again was like 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:48.280 so risky, but also was something that kind of ignited 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.640 my excitement, that excitement that I had when I was 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.400 a kid, that I didn't know that I hadn't had 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:53.960 in so long until I had it again, and I 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.680 was like, oh, this has been missing for a while, 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.240 and it was it was it was something I was 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:02.880 able to do on the side. So we did the 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.679 business for six months on the side while I was 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.159 still working full time in the beginning, and it was 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.359 easier then, Like, even though it was a scary thing 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.479 to start a business, it's not as scary when it's 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.960 a side hustle because the risk is so low. So 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.399 that first six months was scary and crazy, but it 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.959 wasn't nearly as hard as when it became suddenly like 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.600 you can't do both anymore. You have to choose. You 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.119 have to cut one of them off, maybe not forever, 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.160 but for like semi permanently, and you have to choose 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.800 one or the other. That was when it became really scary, overwhelming, 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.639 and one of those things where you can't actually not 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.720 make a decision, like you have to just you can't 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.520 do both anymore, so it has to be one or 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.600 the other, and the longer await, the worst it becomes. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.920 But I think the way that I always work things 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.080 out in that situation is what's the once in a 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:52.240 lifetime opportunity and law it's not once in a lifetime. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.760 There are things that are once in a lifetime in 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.560 that career, but no one is ever not going to 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.520 need lawyers. Yeah, and this reason're not going to go anyway, 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.600 you know, Like I knew I could always fall back 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.960 on those qualifications in one way or another, whether it 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:07.840 was in the same job or a completely different one. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:13.199 There's no shortage of times lawyers that needed. Whereas the 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.600 business was growing at a pace in a you know, 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.359 digital world that was so new, so unpredictable, but also 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.919 so once in a lifetime, like no one else was 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.679 doing it, we knew it was only a matter of 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.359 time before other people kind of caught on and we 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.320 had a chance to be the first one. So you know, 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.120 we're like, Okay, this is the ones in a lifetime thing. 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:34.560 This is the thing that if I look back and 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.720 I don't do, I might regret, Whereas if I look 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:41.720 back on you know, the other way, I probably won't 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.480 mind because one day, worst case scenario. If it doesn't work, 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:45.760 I can just go back. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.800 Yeah, there's always people to sue. And I was going 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.760 to say, how did you exactly, how did you? 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.040 Can you tell us a story how you actually stumbled 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.160 across match it, because I think it's so interesting. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.159 Yeah. So it was such an accident, which is why 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.520 I always talk about the Sliding Wars moment because it 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:09.000 was so like, such a random, random thing that happened 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:10.880 that wasn't even related to matter in the beginning. So 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.120 I had got I think I was ten months into 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:19.480 my first year as a lawyer, and we went to Africa. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:20.960 On the trip that I was talking about, I took 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.080 a month off, which is so unheard of. You just 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.640 don't do that in your first year of work or 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:30.400 really most years of work. And so we went over there. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:34.240 It was absolutely incredible, totally transformative experience. The kids over 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.440 there were amazing, and we just really it really changed 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.160 a lot of things for us both. But I came 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.880 home with a gut parasite that I picked up over there, 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:47.840 which was quite nasty. But I was so unconnected with 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.000 my body at that time, like I just had no 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.000 awareness of health and wellness of what it took to 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.320 really look after yourself. It was very superficial, like I 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.560 just exercised and eat well, and I was like cool tick. 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:02.159 So I ended up burning myself that and ignoring all 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.439 the signs. I lost fifteen kilos from it before I 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.399 really realized that anything had happened, was I know, And 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.560 you know, the first five kilos, I was like grammy, 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.000 and then I was like, why am I looking so skimmy? 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.520 This is not nice. And I just couldn't digest things 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.080