1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: It's so sad. Like one of my favorite quotes is, 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: doubt kills the more dreams than failure ever will. It's 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: so sad to think of how many dreams never made it, 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: not because the actual thing was too hard to do, 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: because the person's doubt took them out of it before 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: they got started. There's so many sliding doors moments in 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: my life where things could have gone one way or 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: another without you know, like there's such a tiny chance 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: that it would have gone one way or the other. 10 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: And that was obviously the very first one that I 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: had no consciousness of at the time and no appreciation 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: of until gosh, I mean maybe my teen is when 13 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, I could have actually ended 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: up living in what was a third world country at 15 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: the time and not having any of these opportunities. So 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: that's made me always instilled a real sense of gratitude 17 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: and appreciation and an attitude of like makes the most 18 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: of everything because you almost didn't have it, or you 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: could have not had it. 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. Today, we have a real 21 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: treat for anyone looking for some inspo. We're joined by 22 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: the creative, funny, talented, and gorgeous Sarah Holloway, who's now 23 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: known as Sarah Davidson after getting married just two months ago. 24 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: Sarah is a former lawyer turned co founder of Green 25 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: Tea Empire, Matcha Maiden and Matcha Milk Bar. She also 26 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: runs a hugely popular podcast, Sees the Ya. Sarah, thank 27 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. We hear you've had 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: obviously a huge twenty nineteen. First congrats you've joined us 29 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: in the thirty club and you've. 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: Also the best club, and you've. 31 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: Also gotten married to your partner of ten years. Can 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: you tell us about the big day? 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, it's still quite fresh in the memory. 34 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: I was just looking back today at how long it's been. 35 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: It's been two months officially of married life, and yeah, 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: we had the most perfect day. It was absolutely beautiful. 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: I think we made a very conscious decision right at 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: the beginning, Like I'm a little bit of a like 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: ocd A type personality at the best of time, so 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: I had to make a decision at the very beginning 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: that if anything was going to be too stressful, we 42 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: were going to cut it. We just wanted it to 43 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: be an amazing, happy, fun party with you know, no 44 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: bridezilla no stressing and just wanted everyone to have the 45 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: best time and it was so so beautiful. 46 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: Now, for those who don't know, you are a massive 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: fan of punts, and I love the fact that you 48 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: managed to incorporate the saying MATCHA made in Heaven into 49 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: your wedding. Was that important for you to get in? 50 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely. I think we just wanted to inject as 51 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: much of our personality as we could into it. And 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: also like those were the things that kind of made it, 53 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: made us not take it too seriously and just inject 54 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: a bit of fun. And you know, at the whole 55 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: five past five years, so half our relationship has been 56 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: on the match of mission and building our business together 57 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: or both our MATCHA based businesses together. So we just 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: thought that was a really nice way to honor a 59 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: big part of our story. And it's a pun that 60 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: is perfect for a wedding because you know you're making 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: the perfect match. And then we actually got a big 62 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: neon sign as well. And neither of our names worked 63 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: very well for any other kind of marriage, Hasha, you 64 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: know how some people's names work really well. So we're like, oh, 65 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: well that can be our That's He's good. 66 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you said you would try not 67 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: to make it too stressful stressful, but did you feel 68 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: any pressure to have it be sort of an instagram 69 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: worthy wedding? I suppose both of you having large followings. 70 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: I think I think we might have, like at the 71 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: very very beginning, I think we probably thought about that, 72 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: but we didn't have I mean, we're like, you know, 73 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: F grade celebrities at the best like best case scenario, 74 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: so we didn't have the pressures that some people do 75 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: if they know they've got a magazine deal or something 76 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: like that. It probably just runs for our heads kind 77 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: of in the background that we might have, you know, 78 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: a few people interested in what it looked like, but 79 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: in the end, most of the people who we knew 80 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: would be our guests were family and friends who either 81 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: don't have Instagram, haven't heard of it, or you know, 82 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: there were very very few people there who actually kind 83 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: of understand that world, so we knew it wouldn't be 84 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: sort of an instagramm evetting just by the guests and stuff. 85 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: So I think that took a lot of the pressure out. 86 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: And when we're you know, our family selves, like both 87 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: our families are from the countryside, we go back to 88 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: very basic, like Bogan people. So we definitely wanted it 89 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: to be really beautiful and aesthetic, and we knew it 90 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: also had amazing, amazing photographers, but it wasn't kind of 91 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: a pressure. I don't think we made any decisions based 92 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: on that. It was more just what we wanted it 93 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: to look and feel like. And you know, we went 94 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: to a venue that we could have chosen something very 95 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: minimal and like black and white and monochrome, but we 96 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: went something that felt really homely and much more greenery, 97 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: and that matched the whole kind of match of things. 98 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: So I think it was really good that we had 99 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: a big chat at the beginning about what was important 100 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: to us and what wasn't. And I think you can 101 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: get totally carried away in the wedding process and missed 102 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: the fun parts or the loved up, you know, spontaneous, 103 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: relaxed parts. So I'm so glad we made an intention 104 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: at the beginning to not get carried away, and then 105 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: it ended up just being the best time. Like every 106 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: supplier has just constantly was like, can you be a 107 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: little bit more stressed because we're just not sure what 108 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: you want? Because we were so easy, I was like whatever, 109 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm a little bit more direction. 110 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: So you definitely weren't a bridezill of it. 111 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: No, we were like, yeah, the total opposite. We gave 112 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: our suppliers, you know, maybe a color scheme and like 113 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: a few reference pictures and then after that we're like, okay, 114 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: you do it. We trust you, and they were like, oh, 115 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: that's pressure. But we you know, we really trusted that. 116 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: We chose them because they were amazing, and we had 117 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: a couple of key things like the neon sign. We 118 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: really wanted to have the hashtag, you know, as a 119 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: big feature, but everything else was just whatever. I'm like, 120 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: we chose all the default cutlery, the default linen, like 121 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: everything was just the kind of basic option. And I 122 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: don't think anyone remembers any of that anyway. So yeah, 123 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: we were so happy. 124 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: Now, of course, you are the founder of Tea Empire, 125 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: Matcha Maiden, and Matcha Milk Bar, but you also run 126 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: an incredible podcast, ses Thea. Now you like to start 127 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: every episode by asking guests what's the most down to 128 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: earth thing about them, So we'd love to finally find 129 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: that out about you. 130 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh I always get to ask it 131 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: brushes off. Oh my gosh, I think probably my bluepoons, 132 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: the fact that I have a lot of chins at 133 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: certain angles, the fact that I love to celebrate those chins. 134 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: There's so much that's down to earth about me, and 135 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: I think because you know, most of the start of 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: my life and the start of my career was a 137 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: very non fish your non fancy, non instagram the kind 138 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: of world. It still feels a little bit new to 139 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: me to be in a more glossy, fancy kind of 140 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: kind of lifestyle. So really, when we're not at events, 141 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: or when we're not doing outward facing client things or 142 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: podcasts or event or you know, live events or whatever, 143 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: it is that I'm always just in my quondous pajamas 144 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: with no makeup on. I like, I am a big 145 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: nose picker, like have very small eyes when I don't 146 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: wear eyemaker. I love, yeah, all the bloopoos. Every time 147 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: we do a professional photo shoot. I've made it a 148 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: little a little personal kind of way to keep myself 149 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: grounded that, you know, when I've been posting too many 150 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: pretty photos with lots of makeup at an event with 151 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: professional lighting and all that stuff, I have to cancel 152 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: it out. With like the ugliest photos that I can 153 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: possibly do, and they, yeah, they keep me really down 154 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: to earth. So there's like a whole highlight on my 155 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: Instagram of them. If you ever just want to have 156 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: a chuckle, I love that. 157 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: You do that, because so much of Instagram is it's 158 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: just so fake, and I know it does make people 159 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: feel bad about themselves. Do you wish that more people 160 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: on Instagram did their own bloopers? 161 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: Real? Absolutely? I think it's I don't it's funny. I 162 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: think that for a lot of in a lot of cases, 163 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: it can be really fake and quite convoluted, and people 164 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: are really only choosing to put certain things out there 165 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: for other people. It might not necessarily be that they're 166 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: being fake. It's just that they don't think to post 167 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: those other moments. They don't really they might not even 168 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: know how useful it can be to other people. So 169 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: I think it would be awesome for more people to 170 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: understand how good that can be for other people. Because 171 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: I started doing it because I knew how much it 172 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: reassured me when other people who seemed to be consistently 173 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: immaculately groomed and looking perfectly styled, and you know, you 174 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: forget that in between those moments there's a lot of 175 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: real stuff, and when they show it, it just makes 176 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: you feel not better about yourself because they look ugly 177 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: or anything, but just more like human. It makes me 178 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: realize we're all human, we all have those moments. And 179 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: it also helped me feel less uncomfortable about the fact 180 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: that I was only posting the highlight moments. I just 181 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: felt a little bit like my relationship with the platform 182 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: feels awkward when I don't feel like I'm being completely 183 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: rounded in what I'm showing. And it is hard because 184 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: sometimes in your downtime you don't feel like taking a photo. 185 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: That's just part of the behavior. But since I've started 186 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: making an effort to show all of the side, including 187 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: the bits in between, I've had such wonderful feedback from 188 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: other people who have like big following, small followings, who 189 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: are on the platform a lot, who aren't on the 190 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: platform a lot. And it's also made me personally feel 191 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: like you almost take the pressure off yourself as well 192 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: to be so perfectly manicured and groomed all the time, 193 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: because once you know people have seen the worst photo 194 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: of you in the world, you're like everything else is 195 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: a bonus, So it kind of also improved my own 196 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: relationship with the whole world because it's a heart you know, 197 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: it's a new world. It's a hard environment to get 198 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: comfortable with, and I think if more people were willing 199 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: to show some of the bits that they might otherwise 200 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: have been scared of showing, it will encourage everyone to 201 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: feel like the standard is more realistic. 202 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: Oh that's so true. 203 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: I mean it is so scary as well when you 204 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: see how many young people are on Instagram, and I 205 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: heard some crazy stat that some teenagers aren't even going 206 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: to parties because they feel like they can't even live 207 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: up to their Instagram photos. Do you know, I know, 208 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: is that what you kind of think about? I mean, 209 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: obviously you're putting it out there so others might do 210 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: the same and feel better, But are you mindful of 211 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: your younger following? 212 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely? And I think that's probably where why it's become 213 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: something that I try and do more and more, because 214 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: I do appreciate so much that I didn't have to 215 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: face that when I was a teenager, and I do 216 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: increasingly think as I we you know, we get closer 217 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: to planning to have children, I get just so concerned 218 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: about the world that they will enter into having that 219 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: from the time that they're really really young. So it's 220 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: almost with that in mind that I think I need 221 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: to start doing what I can to mold the platform 222 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: in a way that it might be a little bit 223 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: of a safer, less precious in place by the time 224 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: we have children and they're using social media. But definitely 225 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: the younger audience, how impressionable they are, how much stuff 226 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: out there there is that is misleading and that does 227 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: lead to behaviors as much as them not going to 228 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: things in real life, Like that's just so sad, And yeah, 229 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: it just makes me so sad thinking that that could 230 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: even be, you know, someone's life because we didn't have that. 231 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that. Yeah, the future generations and 232 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: the younger generations now are definitely something I think about. 233 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: And talking about younger is You've previously described yourself as 234 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: a child as someone who is artsy, fatsi and an ubernert. 235 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: What were you like as a kid and did you. 236 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 2: See yourself going down the path of running your own 237 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: business one day? 238 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so definitely I was super arty, Fatzi. Even the 239 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: fact that I use words like that, I've always been 240 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: like that like really fluffy language, really like I was 241 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: always dressed in two twos. I was ballerina until I 242 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: was gosh, I was fifteen, I think when I left 243 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: the Australian Ballet. But when I was younger and it 244 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: was less serious, I was always just performing and making 245 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: concerts and like making two tuos out of like seven 246 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: layers of my mum's dresses, or painting makeup on other people. 247 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: Like Yeah, I'd loved to draw and listen to music, 248 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: and then as I got older, i'd kind of write 249 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: music and I loved everything. It's so interesting that I 250 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: in my school years I kind of went a lot 251 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: more the academic pathway on the other side of my brain. 252 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: But when I was younger, I was very, very like 253 00:12:54,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: curious about the art, and I had such a strong network, 254 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: such a strong family network. And both sides of our 255 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: family are from the countryside, so I think we had 256 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: a city kid upbringing in that all the opportunities that 257 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: were available here we were able to make the most of. 258 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: But then we also spend a lot of time on 259 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: the dairy farms and out in the countries, so I've 260 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: also had that real supportive It takes a village kind 261 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: of feel of having country communities around us as well. 262 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, when I look back at my childhood, I 263 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: just think of it being so happy, really happy, full 264 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: of excitement, and yeah, that's what I come back to 265 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: now when I think about how we all have that 266 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: kind of fun silly in a child, and we let 267 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: that person go for a little while, but I try 268 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: and come back to her. 269 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: I've heard you speak in the past about sometimes you 270 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 2: think how different your life could have been. Obviously you 271 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: were born in South Korea and being adopted at such 272 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: a young age. Do you still think about that what 273 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: life might have been like if you were still in 274 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: South Korea always? 275 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: I think that's probably been one of my biggest drivers 276 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: for I guess, like most things that I do, just 277 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: thinking about how I could Like, there's so many sliding 278 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: doors moments in my life where things could have gone 279 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: one way or another without you know, like there's such 280 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: a tiny chance that it would have gone one way 281 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: or the other. And that was obviously the very first 282 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: one that I had no consciousness of at the time 283 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: and no appreciation of until gosh, I mean maybe my 284 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: teen years when I was like, oh God, like I 285 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: could have actually ended up living in what was the 286 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: third World country at the time and not having any 287 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: of these opportunities. So that's made me always instilled a 288 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: real sense of gratitude and appreciation and an attitude of like, 289 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: make the most of everything because you almost didn't have it, 290 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: or you could have not had it, which has probably 291 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: been one of the reasons why I burn out so 292 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: often as well, because I do get a little bit 293 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: carried away and trying to fit everything in and be 294 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: part of every sport and every club and everything. But yeah, 295 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: it's definitely driven a lot of my choices and a 296 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:07,239 Speaker 1: lot of my attitude towards things. Has always made volunteer 297 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: work and philanthropy a really big part of everything that 298 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: I've done. So when I was a lawyer, you know, 299 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: there are lots of legal clinics who can volunteer out 300 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: there are also volunteer opportunities, and then when I left 301 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: the law, we kind of transferred that into we worked 302 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: in Rwanda and some schools to build classrooms and teach 303 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: classes and you know what. You know, for both Nick 304 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: and I had always been important to have a volunteer 305 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: component to what we do because his mum was also 306 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: actually adopted. Oh yeah, I know, it's so crazy. 307 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: You spoke about the sliding doors moments. Was that one 308 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: of the moments when you were deciding between law and 309 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: whether you're going to pursue much a maide as your 310 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: main career. 311 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: Yes, definitely that was. I think the next big sliding 312 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: moment was that big career change and deciding whether to 313 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: go with something that wasn't Actually. One of the things 314 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: I try and talk about often is that when you're 315 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: really unhappy, you'll make a change. But if you're not 316 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: super unhappy, but you're not happy, like you're just blah, 317 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: you're not as you know, there's nothing to kind of 318 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: push you to make a change because it's not that bad, 319 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: you know. And because it wasn't bad, I was like, 320 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: I could keep doing this, I could go for a 321 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: great wage, a lot of learning opportunities, there were great 322 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: travel opportunities within my firm, and it was obviously quite 323 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: a respectable career that you could take in lots of directions. 324 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: It was well paid. You know, there were so many 325 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: reasons why it was a good option. But then there 326 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: was this kind of really uncertain but also potentially amazing, 327 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: totally out of the blue opportunity that again was like 328 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: so risky, but also was something that kind of ignited 329 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: my excitement, that excitement that I had when I was 330 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: a kid, that I didn't know that I hadn't had 331 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: in so long until I had it again, and I 332 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: was like, oh, this has been missing for a while, 333 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: and it was it was it was something I was 334 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: able to do on the side. So we did the 335 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: business for six months on the side while I was 336 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: still working full time in the beginning, and it was 337 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: easier then, Like, even though it was a scary thing 338 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: to start a business, it's not as scary when it's 339 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: a side hustle because the risk is so low. So 340 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: that first six months was scary and crazy, but it 341 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 1: wasn't nearly as hard as when it became suddenly like 342 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: you can't do both anymore. You have to choose. You 343 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: have to cut one of them off, maybe not forever, 344 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: but for like semi permanently, and you have to choose 345 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: one or the other. That was when it became really scary, overwhelming, 346 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: and one of those things where you can't actually not 347 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: make a decision, like you have to just you can't 348 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: do both anymore, so it has to be one or 349 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: the other, and the longer await, the worst it becomes. 350 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: But I think the way that I always work things 351 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: out in that situation is what's the once in a 352 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: lifetime opportunity and law it's not once in a lifetime. 353 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: There are things that are once in a lifetime in 354 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: that career, but no one is ever not going to 355 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: need lawyers. Yeah, and this reason're not going to go anyway, 356 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, Like I knew I could always fall back 357 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: on those qualifications in one way or another, whether it 358 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: was in the same job or a completely different one. 359 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: There's no shortage of times lawyers that needed. Whereas the 360 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: business was growing at a pace in a you know, 361 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: digital world that was so new, so unpredictable, but also 362 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: so once in a lifetime, like no one else was 363 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: doing it, we knew it was only a matter of 364 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: time before other people kind of caught on and we 365 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: had a chance to be the first one. So you know, 366 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: we're like, Okay, this is the ones in a lifetime thing. 367 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: This is the thing that if I look back and 368 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: I don't do, I might regret, Whereas if I look 369 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: back on you know, the other way, I probably won't 370 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: mind because one day, worst case scenario. If it doesn't work, 371 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: I can just go back. 372 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always people to sue. And I was going 373 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: to say, how did you exactly, how did you? 374 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: Can you tell us a story how you actually stumbled 375 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: across match it, because I think it's so interesting. 376 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was such an accident, which is why 377 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: I always talk about the Sliding Wars moment because it 378 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: was so like, such a random, random thing that happened 379 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: that wasn't even related to matter in the beginning. So 380 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: I had got I think I was ten months into 381 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: my first year as a lawyer, and we went to Africa. 382 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: On the trip that I was talking about, I took 383 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: a month off, which is so unheard of. You just 384 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: don't do that in your first year of work or 385 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: really most years of work. And so we went over there. 386 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: It was absolutely incredible, totally transformative experience. The kids over 387 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: there were amazing, and we just really it really changed 388 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: a lot of things for us both. But I came 389 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: home with a gut parasite that I picked up over there, 390 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: which was quite nasty. But I was so unconnected with 391 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: my body at that time, like I just had no 392 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: awareness of health and wellness of what it took to 393 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: really look after yourself. It was very superficial, like I 394 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: just exercised and eat well, and I was like cool tick. 395 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: So I ended up burning myself that and ignoring all 396 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: the signs. I lost fifteen kilos from it before I 397 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: really realized that anything had happened, was I know, And 398 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, the first five kilos, I was like grammy, 399 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: and then I was like, why am I looking so skimmy? 400 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: This is not nice. And I just couldn't digest things 401 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: properly and it was kind of wreaking all this, all 402 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: this kind of havoc without me really understanding what was 403 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: going on. So I ended up just still working really 404 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: long hours and it didn't really hit me until I 405 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: just completely collapsed at work. I had a dream or fatigue. 406 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: I'd like burnt myself completely to it, you know, to 407 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: total collapse. And I had take quite a few weeks. 408 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: I think it was even maybe months off work. And 409 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: that was when I was banned from coffee because my 410 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: dream or system was so fragile and compromised that they 411 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: were like, you'll have a panic attack if you have 412 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, so best just not do that. 413 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 3: A lawyer with an coffee. 414 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: My god, exactly, Oh my god. You understand. I was 415 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: like cups a day kind of girl. At the time. 416 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: I was like, what am I going to do? And 417 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: that's when I kind of believe that the universe always 418 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: works things out for you in one way or another. 419 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: And I got sent to the firm's headquarters as soon 420 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: as I went back to work in Hong Kong on 421 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: a deal over there, and I was there for about 422 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: I think eight months, and over there, Matcha is everywhere. 423 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: It's not, you know, in the East, it's not the 424 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: buzzword that it's been in the West. Has been around 425 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: for centuries. The Zen Buddhist monks have been using it 426 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: for years and years and then meditation practices, and it's 427 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: because it gives you. It's got caffeine and it gives 428 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: you a really good boost of energy. But what coffee 429 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have is an amino acid called elthanine, which controls 430 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: the release of the caffeine, so it's slower and you 431 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: don't get a spike and then a crash. You just 432 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: get this sustained energy release. So I was able to 433 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: have a boost of energy from caffeine that wouldn't kind 434 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: of send me into a full flipout and I just 435 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: got hooked. I was like, this is amazing. How has 436 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: no one realized is a magical out there? And we 437 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: were a really health food conscious society already, Like I 438 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: was like, if people are willing to drink spirollina, which 439 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: tastes like foot, probably going to be willing to consider 440 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: green tea out of it just taste like green tea. 441 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: But then we came home couldn't find it anywhere, like 442 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: just for ourselves, totally selfish needs. We went online and 443 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: tried to find some, and yeah, we found a really 444 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: good supply that was kind of halfway between the two 445 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: options that were available, which was a really expensive ceremonial 446 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: once in a you know, twice a year, you get 447 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: it out when your grandmar comes over kind of tea, 448 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: or there was like an Asian grocery sugary alternative that 449 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: was really cheap and not high enough quality to have 450 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: the health benefits. And we were like, what's in the middle. 451 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 1: Surely there's something in the middle, And we found some. 452 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: We bought it for ourselves. He could only get it 453 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: in bulk. It came and it was massive, and we 454 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: were like, so we've got some powder to get rid of. 455 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: We can do this, And that's literally how it started. 456 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: It was like, we have too much powder, too much money. 457 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Let's sell some just some people and just as like 458 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: your little side project and see what happens. And the 459 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: risk was super low because we'd already bought it, like scenario. 460 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: We ended up with what we'd already bought, which was 461 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: exactly the same. 462 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: That's a ten year supply of match for yourselves. 463 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and like, who don't need that. We're like, 464 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 1: we'll get through it eventually, work case scenario, and then 465 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: it just ended up doing well. 466 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: That's so good. I was gonna say. 467 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: A lot of people think that starting a business is 468 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: so glamorous because they see, you know, different posts on Instagram. 469 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: Can you tell us the reality of when you guys 470 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: started matcha Maiden. 471 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's the opposite of glamor. It's it's 472 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: got its own special vibe in that you're just so 473 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: excited and you're doing everything for the first time and 474 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: it's just so like so magical to be working on 475 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: something that you care about. And it's different. But in 476 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: terms of like glamorous moments, they are few and far between. 477 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: We were literally we were doing everything ourselves. We had 478 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: no idea what we're doing. And I think the cliche 479 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: of you know, going on Google to figure things out 480 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: is a cliche because that's literally how everyone starts. Everything 481 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: is googleable. We just went to Google and we're like, 482 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: what do you need for a tea business? And just 483 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: work backwards from like, like what's the minimum that we 484 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: would need to get one bag ready for sale? So 485 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: we figured out that you need a bag, you need 486 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: to close the bag, you need to put something on 487 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: the bag. You know. It was very, very simple, and 488 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: all of that was just us running around to like 489 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: Ali Barber, getting things from eBay, going to office works. 490 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: And then when we were packing, which we were doing ourselves, 491 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: we hired a friend's commercial kitchen for like the middle 492 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: of the night after our normal jobs, and then we're 493 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: just like in our undis so that we wouldn't get fiber, 494 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, little like fibers in the packets with shower 495 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: caps on. Packing in like a production line, and it 496 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: was just like breaking bag but green. The best way 497 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: that I can describe it. It's such an old joke, 498 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: like my friends always roll their eyes. You're going to 499 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: say the same joke, but like that's exactly what it was. 500 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: It was so un glamorous. 501 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: You should have got a few snaps of that. 502 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: There. They probably won't see the light, but they exist. 503 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: And as I felt like business women, I feel like 504 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: there's a lot of guilt associated with working from home, 505 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: and you know, you going from working in a corporate 506 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: environment to then, you know, starting this business at your home. 507 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 2: Did you struggle with that guilt from time to time? 508 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know whether it's guilt. I think I 509 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: feel the guilt more now. At the time, it was 510 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: also accompanied by just so much like what am I doing? 511 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: Like you'd wake up one morning and be like, yeah, 512 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: it's amazing, and then you wake up the next day 513 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: and be like, oh my god, I've made the biggest 514 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: mistake of my life. Like there's just such an emotional 515 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: rollercoaster that and you were I was so busy, Like 516 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: we were just so overcome by how fast it was 517 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: growing and how much we didn't know how to keep 518 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: up with it. So I think we were just so 519 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: distracted in the first year and a bit that we 520 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: didn't really have time to sit and think, you know, 521 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we're so lucky, like with an amazing transition. 522 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: It's more been since we've started to feel a little 523 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: bit more confident and a little bit able to sort 524 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: of chill a little bit more and do things on 525 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: purpose rather than just reactively. Now I'm like, often I'll 526 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: just be sitting there, you know, in an amazing meeting 527 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: with an amazing partner for the podcast or something, and 528 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's eleven o'clock on a Tuesday, I'm in 529 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: a cafe. I would have been in a firm this time, 530 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: like it's a weekday. Now is where I feel bad 531 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: because I'm like it's too good, Like I have it 532 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: too good. I'm having too much fun. This is just 533 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: too amazing. And I think also in the first you know, 534 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: couple of years, you have so many dramas, like there 535 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: are just so many disasters of stuff that go wrong, 536 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: or that you're double guessing yourself or you're like shit, 537 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: shit shit, But the guild doesn't really creep in until 538 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: things start actually going well, and then you're like, wait, what, 539 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: this is my job now, what do you mean? Or 540 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: like I feel more guilty not so much working from home, 541 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: but when we travel, when we travel for work and 542 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: we can work from anywhere. That's where I'm like, this 543 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: is too good, Like surely this is there's something wrong 544 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: in this situation, Like why is no one stopping me? 545 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: That's so good. 546 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: You mentioned that you've been speaking to a lot of 547 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 2: famous people in your podcast, and one of my favorite 548 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: interviews of yours is with Gary V. 549 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: What is he? 550 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 3: What was he actually like in person? 551 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: He's amazing, amazing. He's one of those people who you're 552 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: never going like, you're never quite sure if they're going 553 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: to be the same in real life as they are 554 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: on social media, And he was like I was so 555 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: curious to see if he would be as crazily energetic 556 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: and as enthusiastic. Gorgue just kind of puts it on 557 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: and he was exactly the same. Like I felt like 558 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: I've known him for years, because he is exactly the 559 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: same person that you see on every video and every story. 560 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: He's so enthusiast, stick about the things, he's passionate about. 561 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: He's so intense, like he just he'll come in. When 562 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: he came in, he was like on his phone and 563 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: like really distracted, and then as soon as he puts 564 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: his phone down, he's like, I'm on like for the 565 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: time that you have me, you have my full attention 566 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: and just like stares at you intently and listens really carefully. 567 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: It's kind of scary, but it was amazing. I was like, 568 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: you're less distracted than we are, and like you have 569 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: way more things going on than any of us, and 570 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: yet you're able to give us more attention and then 571 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: like I give my mum when we have a conversation 572 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: or whatever. It was just really interesting to see that, Yeah, 573 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: that that someone can maintain that much energy and it 574 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: is genuine and and he does. He cares so much 575 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: about about just joy and spreading good things on you know, 576 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: in the internet, and you know, you kind of think, oh, yeah, 577 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's a great tack to take. Because 578 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: you're a billionaire, it's easy for you to say that stuff. 579 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: And of course it's trendy to be spreading happiness. But 580 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: he's genuine, really passionate about it. He's very driven by 581 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: the world that he wants to create for his children, 582 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: and he's just so passionate about learning. And yeah, I 583 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: was really really inspired and impressed by how but he 584 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: was also chill, you know, like he also was like 585 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: could have a laugh about around himself and wasn't too 586 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: like business business. He was like yeah, talking about the 587 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: lemonades dands that he used to happen he was a kid, 588 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: and then talking about his kids, and yeah, I was like, 589 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: you're just a person who's really cool. 590 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear he's just the same as he 591 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: is on his in his content. Is he someone that 592 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: you listened to a lot before? Yeah? 593 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, I listened to him a lot, and I just 594 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: I never was really sure how much I gelled with him, 595 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: Like I obviously found him super inspiring, but because I 596 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: wasn't sure that that is actually how he is, do 597 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like he just seemed too 598 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: like too intense and amazing all the time, and I 599 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: just wasn't sure how It's sad, you know, you know 600 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: with some how you listen to everything, but I'm like, whoa, 601 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: he's screaming at me. And I loved it, Like I 602 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: found that I needed his kind of material when I 603 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: was having a really like lull in my motivation if 604 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: I was feeling really good, like I might feel like 605 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: he was like really intense, and you know, I'd be 606 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: like ah, but no, I yeah, prolifically listened to his 607 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: podcast and watched his channel, and Yeah, had been following 608 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: him for a really long time and loved everything that 609 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: he was saying about how entrepreneur entrepreneur entrepreneurialism is maybe 610 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: not for everyone, but these you know, he's really very 611 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: real about what in the roles and about the things 612 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: that he does and how he does them and looking 613 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: for like how he picks things a head in the 614 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: future and then spreading kindness and doing good things without 615 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: influence like that had always resonated really strong strongly with me. 616 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I was definitely a fan girl. 617 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: And you and your husband now, which I don't know 618 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: if that's strange for you to call him your husband yet, Nick, 619 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: he obviously runs oh weird, He obviously runs the bushy 620 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: creative as well as working with you on Match of Maiden. 621 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: How tough was it in the beginning to figure out 622 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 2: that work life balance. 623 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: So difficult It took us years, Like we had gone 624 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: from having such separate careers where we just operated in 625 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: our own little worlds and then came home and had, 626 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, a quick chat about our day, but our 627 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: stuff was very separate to suddenly like at home together, 628 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: working from home, together twenty four seven and then working 629 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: on the same stuff as well. So it was such 630 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: a big lifestyle change. And we also had no like 631 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: experience in carving out structure, or in knowing how to 632 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: work with each other, or making decisions on work things, 633 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: or you know, we didn't even really know what each 634 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: other's skills and weaknesses were yet because we never worked 635 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: together and we didn't have a date night for maybe 636 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: two years. I reckon like, we just didn't know that. Yeah, 637 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: but I think as you're so excited, and especially for me, 638 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: it didn't feel like work. It still felt like my hobby, 639 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: so I didn't really feel like it was all real. 640 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: It just felt like play. For two years, we didn't 641 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: even know that we needed that. We were just like, yeah, yeah, 642 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: let's keep going. We let's do all the staff. But 643 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't until like two years later we were like, 644 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, we're becoming like business partners and friends 645 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: who live together. You realize that that is what happens 646 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: when you don't take those times and you don't put 647 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: boundaries in to make sure that you have two separate roles. 648 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: You're not always in business partner role. You can be 649 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: in a couple role, and you have to like have 650 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: a cut off at the end of the day where 651 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: you're not in work roles anymore, and you have to 652 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: have weekends, and you have to have trips that aren't 653 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: work trips. And that was a really really big learning 654 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: and transition that around the year two or three took 655 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: us maybe another to kind of figure out where the 656 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: right balance was and how to, you know, to talk 657 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: to each other differently when we were having work meetings 658 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: than we would when we were just chatting as a couple. 659 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: And I think that probably was where we argued a lot. 660 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: Like we don't really argue, but that year was like 661 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: really tense because we were just like, why are we 662 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: so shitty all the time? Like it's just because we 663 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: were in each other's face all the time. 664 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: Sophie and I work together and you can just be 665 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: so brutally honest with family members, and I feel like 666 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 2: it must be the same for when you're in a 667 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: relationship with someone. Was that hard giving that honest feedback? 668 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that was probably where we fell over 669 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: the most, is that we would take liberties with each 670 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: other that you would never take with a third party, 671 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: a third party business partner, like if you don't think 672 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: someone's idea is nice, you won't just be like that's shit. 673 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: You're feeling, you know, really great, like well done, you 674 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: like maybe we could do it this day. And we 675 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: were just brutal to each other because you take liberties 676 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: because you're a couple as well, so you're like, I 677 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: don't have to talk nicely to you, like pad this out. 678 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's where we'd have like crazy disagreements because 679 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: we'd just be so like hated and like, how do 680 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: you speak to me like that I'm your career girlfriend 681 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, So I think it was the casualness 682 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: that was the problem, not the other way around. So 683 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: we did kind of feel like we needed to implement 684 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: some structure and routine and systems and ways of speaking 685 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: to each other. And we also hadn't divided departments. I 686 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have had this, but when 687 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: you're both the boss of every department, no one can 688 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: make a decision and there's no final call, and it 689 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: means there's a potential for argument in every single area. 690 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: But once we realized what we were good at what 691 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: we weren't good at, and sat down and were like, 692 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: this is my department, this is yours, and we can 693 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: obviously chat about everything, but one of us will have 694 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 1: the final say in each thing. We don't argue anymore 695 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: because it's like no area where that can happen. So 696 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: I think it's just a process of like experimenting with 697 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: what works between your personal relationship and your business partnership. 698 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: But it definitely takes some proper effort, Like I don't 699 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: think many people just fall into an amazing setup that way. 700 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: You usually have to sit down and kind of chat 701 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: about things and talk about your expectations, and communication is 702 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: just the key, as long as everyone knows that you're 703 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: trying your best and that you know we're acknowledging the 704 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: things that don't work and the things that do. I 705 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: think as long as you're talking to each other, I think. 706 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 3: That's amazing advice. I'd love to hear your advice. 707 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 2: For young business boys and girls. It might be listening 708 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: if someone came to you and said they had this 709 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 2: amazing product, but they've never run a business before and 710 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 2: they don't know what to do. What would be your 711 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 2: initial advice to them? 712 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: Oh, so many things, but I guess I think the 713 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: biggest obstacle at the start of a new business or 714 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: a new idea isn't actually doing the things. It's just 715 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: your brain. It's convincing yourself that you're good enough to 716 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: do it, or that the idea is good enough to 717 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: do it. And I think it's so sad, Like one 718 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: of my favorite quotes is, doubt kills the more dreams 719 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: than failure ever will. It's so sad to think of 720 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: how many dreams never made it, not because the actual 721 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: thing was too hard to do, because the person's doubt 722 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: talk them out of it before they got started. So 723 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: I think my main piece of advice would be just 724 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: to start. Start before you're already done is better than perfect. 725 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: We wait so long to perfect things. And I particularly, 726 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm such an an anally retentive like OCD person that 727 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: Nick really had to convince me like if we don't 728 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: get it out, it's never going to get out there, 729 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: and like you're just going to agonize over and over 730 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: and over until you think it's perfect and then we'll 731 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: be too late, or you'll just never get to the 732 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: time when you think it's good enough. So I think 733 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: I think my biggest advice would be to just get started. 734 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: You are so capable of learning. It doesn't matter if 735 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: you don't have qualifications or a degree. Nobody actually does 736 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: because no one's really done businesses in this climate before. 737 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: It's such a different climate to what it was two 738 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: years ago or three years ago, so everyone's kind of 739 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: almost on an even playing field. And what you don't know, 740 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: you can learn very quickly. If anything, not being bogged 741 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: down by the proper way to do things might actually 742 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: save you some time or give you different perspectives on 743 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: how things can be done. So, yeah, just just get 744 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: started and talk to people who will make you believe 745 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: that you can and will help you believe that it's possible. 746 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: Don't go to the skeptics or the people who are 747 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: going to point out the problems. You definitely need them 748 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: later on, but you can't let them talk you out 749 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: of it before you've even begun. 750 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,919 Speaker 2: That's such wonderful advice, and I love it making notes. 751 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to start, and I want to start 752 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 3: a new business now. So inspire. 753 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 2: And what do you have planned for twenty twenty. I 754 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 2: see that you've been on the road for your podcast 755 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 2: taking that to audiences. Is that something we'll see more 756 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 2: of next year? 757 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, we did our first live event, I always 758 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: say we even it was just me. I don't know. 759 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: I think it just kind of like makes you feel 760 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 1: less silly, but it's just you. Anyway I am doing. 761 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: I want to do a lot more live events because 762 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: I found that just to be so feeling and exciting 763 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: to meet the community. And you don't actually see your 764 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: listeners when you're recording podcasts. You don't actually get any 765 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: response until much later, so you kind of forget that 766 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: anyone's actually listening, which means when you get to meet 767 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: people in person, it's so so fulfilling and lovely. So 768 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: lots more of those. In the process of writing my 769 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: first book, which is the CZA Book, and that is 770 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: coming out in September August or September, so I think 771 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: a big part of next year will be just like 772 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: the edit of that and getting it ready to kind 773 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: of come out, and planning some exciting things to come 774 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: out around the same time, like maybe some events or 775 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: some fun merch maybe another flip book like whatever it is. 776 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: There's so much going on with the CZA brand and 777 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: just continuing to build really cool guests into the program, 778 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of things I had 779 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: on my list to add too, Like I really like 780 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: to keep the breast ritten, the breasts, not the breast, 781 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: maybe the breast. I really like to keep the guests 782 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: really broad. And there's a couple of jobs or you know, 783 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: titles or areas that I didn't get to tick off 784 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: last year just because of availability and stuff like that. 785 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: Like I had a paramedic lined up and they just 786 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: got too busy at work, and obviously you can't kind 787 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: of pause paramedic work. That's pretty important. Yeah, you know, 788 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things like that that I just 789 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: really wanted to do. I've got a war zone doctor 790 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: lined up, which is going to be amazing. Wow. Yeah, 791 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: just keeping adding new jobs and new areas of learning 792 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: that people might not have heard about. So yeah, spending 793 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: a bit of time on that. I'm working on a 794 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: few other podcasts which is really exciting with other partners, 795 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: so that'll come out next year. And then we've still 796 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: got the match of businesses, so a lot in the 797 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,919 Speaker 1: pipeline for both of them, and maybe babies. I think 798 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: we might even start thinking about babies. 799 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, where do you find the time for all of 800 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 3: the gosh. 801 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just was thinking when I said that I 802 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I don't really know where I'm going 803 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: to do that, but we'll figure it out. 804 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 2: Lastly, we have to find out how, you know, Christmas 805 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 2: is only a few days away, how will you be 806 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 2: spending Christmas this year? 807 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: We're very simple for Chrissy. We just spend it with 808 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: our family. We kind of alternate between Nick's family and 809 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: Tazzy and my family here. And this year is a 810 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 1: Melbourne year, so my mom's side of the family has 811 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: a big Christmas lunch and we all just yeah, get 812 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: really bloated in food, comat on turkey and potatoes. We 813 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: do that. We have like a Christmas lunch altogether, and 814 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: then next year we'll go to Tazzi And our nephew 815 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: is just at the age where this year he kind 816 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: of doesn't quite understand Santa, but next year will be 817 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: a really exciting like leaving out all the things and 818 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: putting out, you know, his little Santa sack, so that 819 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: next year will be kind of back to the super 820 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: supermagical children's perspective of Christmas. But this year is just 821 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: really chill. We've had such a big year and we're 822 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: just really excited to take a few days off we're 823 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: heading to the country after that for a week. Yeah. 824 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: We kept my grandmother's house after she passed away, which 825 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 1: is two hours into regional Victoria. And it's like, literally 826 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: looks exactly the same as when my mum grew up 827 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: in it. It's hysterical, like nothing matches. It's all just 828 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: like flower patterns of vomited on each other. And it's great, 829 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: like we do. There's hardly anything there. There's like five shops. 830 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: We just yeah, really relaxed and I'll finish some riding 831 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: up there and lots of sleepings and. 832 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 2: That Oh sounds amazing. Well, thank you so much for 833 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 2: joining us on the show. We hope you have a 834 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 2: very merry Christmas. 835 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: Oh you too. Thank you so much for having me. 836 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much for listening. If you 837 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 2: did enjoy the podcast, we'd love if you could leave 838 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 2: us a review. 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