1
00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,079
Speaker 1: I'm always always, sir, be careful love.

2
00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:26,720
Speaker 2: Those um books. Let well use your head. They will

3
00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:33,840
Speaker 2: tear you lack a purple talk. Oh no, no, no, yeah,

4
00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:40,400
Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah, oh no no no. Hi. I'm Amanda

5
00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,600
Speaker 2: and I'm Rumby.

6
00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,560
Speaker 1: Welcome to its lay It.

7
00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,800
Speaker 2: We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty

8
00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,600
Speaker 2: years ago when we were in high school.

9
00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,200
Speaker 1: We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything

10
00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,160
Speaker 1: and everything else under the sun.

11
00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,680
Speaker 2: Delve deeper with us because in life, you know my layers.

12
00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:07,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

13
00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,319
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of It's Layered Podcast. What I Do,

14
00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,560
Speaker 2: What I do, What I do? Good?

15
00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:19,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, somebody we need to find that sound

16
00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,319
Speaker 1: I know, asked DJ it kicks or something and just like.

17
00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,840
Speaker 2: A salad because apps all the time, honey, it defeats

18
00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,280
Speaker 2: the purpose. Anyway. How are you doing, Amanda?

19
00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,760
Speaker 3: I'm good, my love.

20
00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,559
Speaker 2: How are you? How are you? Yo? Girl? We could

21
00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,319
Speaker 2: go on, we could write a novel. I'm doing alright,

22
00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,600
Speaker 2: surviving winter monthsA here like it's great, gloomy trying to

23
00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,840
Speaker 2: I'm that vitamin d intake and just the little sunshine

24
00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:49,240
Speaker 2: we get.

25
00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,920
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I envy you guys, Like

26
00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I love I love European Christmas or like

27
00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,440
Speaker 1: I should say more than Hemisphere Christmas.

28
00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,640
Speaker 2: With the cold, the snow, that that whole.

29
00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,320
Speaker 3: But I love it.

30
00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,800
Speaker 1: But to actually live it, it's like, okay, no, I

31
00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,600
Speaker 1: like to visit and leave and leave.

32
00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to be like seeing the build up.

33
00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the build up is that's what breaks you because

34
00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,800
Speaker 2: you see these days. I think at like for for

35
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,880
Speaker 2: thirty now or just before four thirty, it's black, like

36
00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,800
Speaker 2: it's dark outside, like pitch black.

37
00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,240
Speaker 1: So and meanwhile we're recording now and it's meant to

38
00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,519
Speaker 1: be my evening and it's like some obviously, so it's

39
00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,280
Speaker 1: still light outside, trying to put a child down when

40
00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,360
Speaker 1: it's just like you'd be looking at you like are

41
00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,359
Speaker 1: you crazy?

42
00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,880
Speaker 3: It's like are you there? There's no winning in life.

43
00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,320
Speaker 2: You need to know there's no winning.

44
00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,280
Speaker 1: To pick your battles, use your yeah, and speaking about that,

45
00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,880
Speaker 1: which is so apt for our episode today, our episode

46
00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:46,840
Speaker 1: on ally ship.

47
00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you define ally ship? So that'st word,

48
00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,320
Speaker 2: very big buzz word. I decided to let me use

49
00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,120
Speaker 2: the dictionary. Okay, it's dictionary. It okay, So according to

50
00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,720
Speaker 2: the Cambridge English Dictionary, it's allyship is the quality or

51
00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,680
Speaker 2: practice of helping or supporting other people who are part

52
00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,320
Speaker 2: of a group that is treated badly or unfairly, although

53
00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,000
Speaker 2: you are not yourself a member of this group. One

54
00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,200
Speaker 2: of the most important ways to practice allyship is just

55
00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,960
Speaker 2: to listen. I thought that was quite a.

56
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,920
Speaker 3: Again for the people on the back, just to listen.

57
00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,720
Speaker 2: Just to listen. One of the most important ways to

58
00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,880
Speaker 2: practice allyship is just to listen. So just listening, close

59
00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,720
Speaker 2: your mouth and open your ears and listen. Actually, so,

60
00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,880
Speaker 2: I think that's a definition that was given and I

61
00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,240
Speaker 2: thought it was really I need I say more.

62
00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,760
Speaker 1: That's now you've just yeah, I guess that's just nailed it.

63
00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the only thing in our to

64
00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,520
Speaker 1: make it more like less dictionary is just that it's

65
00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,240
Speaker 1: obviously come up in the last couple of years. It's

66
00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,480
Speaker 1: a concept that's probably always exists, but it's actually now

67
00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,200
Speaker 1: got terms and all these things around it, you know,

68
00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,720
Speaker 1: and some people do it naturally and semple I've had

69
00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,960
Speaker 1: to learn to do it. So I think that's the

70
00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,760
Speaker 1: only thing with allyship that is like something that I

71
00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,040
Speaker 1: think future from now on and future generations.

72
00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,640
Speaker 3: It's just going to be part of living.

73
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,400
Speaker 2: Yes, really yes, because I think for some time there

74
00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,120
Speaker 2: was just no awareness or understanding of the need. You know,

75
00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,000
Speaker 2: they say that if you don't have the word for

76
00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,760
Speaker 2: a term or something you need, it's hard to feel like,

77
00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,039
Speaker 2: how can you actually get the support.

78
00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,400
Speaker 3: To conceptualize and sexualize?

79
00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,880
Speaker 2: Now that we have the vocabulary, it helps and will

80
00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,840
Speaker 2: help build stronger forms of allyship and so on and

81
00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,680
Speaker 2: so forth. So it's really interesting. So of course a

82
00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,880
Speaker 2: man has already spoken about how it's become a topic

83
00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,760
Speaker 2: that's come up more and more over the last couple

84
00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,279
Speaker 2: of years, after social movements such as Black Lives Matter,

85
00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:04,120
Speaker 2: Stop Asian Hate or advocating for the lgbt QUI plus community,

86
00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,440
Speaker 2: as well as we've seen the wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Yo,

87
00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,400
Speaker 2: how do allies play a role? Like actually just listing

88
00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,440
Speaker 2: those and in the last few years it's right, wild,

89
00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,880
Speaker 2: okay wild, But how do allies play a role actually

90
00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,280
Speaker 2: in these scenarios and situations?

91
00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,760
Speaker 1: I think the way you first described it, that is

92
00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,680
Speaker 1: like rallying and advocating for a group of people that

93
00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,920
Speaker 1: you're not a part of, yes, who have been marginalized

94
00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,719
Speaker 1: essentially right, So all those social movements, I mean that

95
00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,240
Speaker 1: you've mentioned the wars happening that you've mentioned, We're obviously

96
00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,960
Speaker 1: not there. I'm obviously not of Asian descent all those things.

97
00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,839
Speaker 2: Hence we need to show up, right.

98
00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,640
Speaker 1: That's that's the that's the I think it was Rihanna

99
00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,400
Speaker 1: who said, no, tell all your white friends pull up pully,

100
00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,719
Speaker 1: want to put they want to have dinner with you

101
00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,000
Speaker 1: and and love your culture, blah blah blah, talk about it.

102
00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,919
Speaker 1: And I think that is how allies play a role,

103
00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,880
Speaker 1: Like not only are we listening intently, we're now also

104
00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,640
Speaker 1: educating ourselves on the right stuff. And that's now we're

105
00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,440
Speaker 1: also taking action as well, Like then what And I

106
00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,200
Speaker 1: feel like it's so it's a tricky thing social media

107
00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,800
Speaker 1: because like, in some ways people want to know where

108
00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,880
Speaker 1: you stand, where you do this, But I feel like

109
00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,599
Speaker 1: it's such a personal role or maybe in my life

110
00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,320
Speaker 1: I've had to like break it down to day to

111
00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,479
Speaker 1: day things, like are they moments when I can be

112
00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,600
Speaker 1: an ally in the situation for sure?

113
00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,800
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure. It's definitely tricky And I

114
00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,760
Speaker 2: think you hit the nail on the head when you

115
00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,119
Speaker 2: say that educate yourself. I think during Black Lives Matter,

116
00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,920
Speaker 2: for us as black people, it was obviously quite It

117
00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,240
Speaker 2: affected us a lot. Yes, we know we're not black

118
00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,640
Speaker 2: American because some people brought that up. You're not you

119
00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,839
Speaker 2: know it's happening in America. But it's like, we know

120
00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,920
Speaker 2: what it means to be black. If you're black, you're black,

121
00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,720
Speaker 2: you're black. If you're black here, you're black there, you're

122
00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,400
Speaker 2: black everywhere. I'm sorry, there's no sort of differentiation. And

123
00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,280
Speaker 2: when people are like, but why and wanting you to

124
00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,560
Speaker 2: explain all these things, and it actually gets exhausting for

125
00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,120
Speaker 2: the person in that community experiencing that. So that the

126
00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,720
Speaker 2: Asian who's experiencing Asian hate, people in the lgbtq I

127
00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,080
Speaker 2: A plus community who are being marginalized, they're tired of

128
00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,320
Speaker 2: having to explain how they're being killed off, how in

129
00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,520
Speaker 2: Uganda it's illegal, and you know they are afraid of

130
00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,200
Speaker 2: their lives. Do you understand what I'm saying? Definitely, I'm

131
00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm dealing with and trying to persist it internally for

132
00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,000
Speaker 2: myself and now you want me to break it down

133
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,280
Speaker 2: for you. And usually people who ask that come across

134
00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,920
Speaker 2: with an ignorant mindset, like they're not wanting it's just like, oh,

135
00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,200
Speaker 2: but why is it an issue? You know, and it's

136
00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,880
Speaker 2: very why is it a problem? Why is it a problem? Yes?

137
00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,520
Speaker 1: And I think also in this year of twenty twenty three,

138
00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four plus we got the internet.

139
00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like what why are you asking me?

140
00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,000
Speaker 1: Like there's people who've done research articles on this, you

141
00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,360
Speaker 1: can explain the whole history, reliable resources you can use

142
00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,720
Speaker 1: to find out the history of what's going on. Yes,

143
00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, and I think like even like and try

144
00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,040
Speaker 1: to think of even in Australia now with what's happening

145
00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,440
Speaker 1: in Gaza, and it's like Palestine Israel, which side and

146
00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,560
Speaker 1: then you find out that the history on both ends

147
00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,800
Speaker 1: is so layered, So okay, but let's not even But

148
00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,679
Speaker 1: then there's also that whole thing with ceasefire, Like as

149
00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,520
Speaker 1: much as the history is there and whoever thinks they

150
00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,040
Speaker 1: write things, they're right, But at the same time, it's

151
00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,080
Speaker 1: like you there's people dying who are.

152
00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,000
Speaker 3: Innocently part of this as well.

153
00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,720
Speaker 1: So it's like all these things where it's like, Okay,

154
00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,920
Speaker 1: you need to just really find an independent resource we

155
00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,840
Speaker 1: can really go through everything, and you still have to

156
00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,760
Speaker 1: use your judgment to realize, Okay, what am I what's next?

157
00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,840
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of times people just

158
00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,560
Speaker 1: want to be told like this is right, this is wrong, yes,

159
00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,680
Speaker 1: And I think allyship really pushes you to be like, no,

160
00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,720
Speaker 1: it's your own journey, like you think, what do you

161
00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:21,680
Speaker 1: think sounds right?

162
00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,360
Speaker 2: You know for sure? For sure? I completely agree. And

163
00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,440
Speaker 2: part of it too, and I don't know, maybe we'll

164
00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,280
Speaker 2: go into this later, but I think part of it

165
00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,480
Speaker 2: too is taking a step back from what you're seeing

166
00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,240
Speaker 2: on social media and all the buzzwords and this person

167
00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,920
Speaker 2: saying you have to do you really need to take

168
00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,360
Speaker 2: a step back from you know, other opinion and take

169
00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:51,040
Speaker 2: a moment to formulate your own informed yeah, keyword informed opinion.

170
00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also give yourself space to say I don't know.

171
00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,720
Speaker 1: So I feel like with social media, especially when something happens,

172
00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,679
Speaker 1: people are so quick to post on their stories or whatever,

173
00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,160
Speaker 1: whichever side they support or don't support or and yeah,

174
00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,600
Speaker 1: in one way, that's great, but it's like, okay, but

175
00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,920
Speaker 1: have you processed this enough to come from a space

176
00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,080
Speaker 1: where you knew nothing about this to now enough for

177
00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,280
Speaker 1: you to have such a strong stance whatever side yes,

178
00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,800
Speaker 1: So I think that's just one makes it tough because like,

179
00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,640
Speaker 1: do you actually know exactly? Yeah, yeah, any situations that

180
00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,280
Speaker 1: you feel allies make things worse.

181
00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:34,160
Speaker 2: Oh, so many, so many. I think allies can make

182
00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:39,000
Speaker 2: it worse one when their opinion, well, they develop an

183
00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,400
Speaker 2: opinion shaped with misinformation. Absolutely, I think just in general

184
00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,160
Speaker 2: as humans, we cause problems when you are misinformed. I

185
00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:54,720
Speaker 2: think too when sometimes aggression you know or I don't know,

186
00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,640
Speaker 2: causing beef or wanting to fight. Yes, of course we

187
00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,800
Speaker 2: appreciate you stuff for us and supporting us, but sometimes

188
00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,599
Speaker 2: the message doesn't get across. I'll give you this example.

189
00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,200
Speaker 2: You know, we all heard about all lives matter, you know,

190
00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:17,480
Speaker 2: when people that that conversation, and the issue with that is,

191
00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,400
Speaker 2: you know, people are saying, yes, but we all matter,

192
00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,240
Speaker 2: and it's like putting yourself in the shoes of the

193
00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,480
Speaker 2: one being suffering someone who's having a hard time, and saying,

194
00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,000
Speaker 2: but also me trying to put yourself here. Yes, you

195
00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,480
Speaker 2: don't even need to you don't need to be in

196
00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,560
Speaker 2: the equation. It's about empathy. What you need to understand

197
00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,280
Speaker 2: is allyship is about empathy. I may not understand fully,

198
00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,920
Speaker 2: I may not have experienced anything similar to this. However,

199
00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm here for you. What can I do? Not you

200
00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,120
Speaker 2: assuming what you can do? I e. Being aggressive people

201
00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:56,439
Speaker 2: are going during the protests and causing scenes or creating chaos,

202
00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,760
Speaker 2: or do you understand what I'm saying. There's so many

203
00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,199
Speaker 2: way where you make it about yourself. I think the

204
00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,040
Speaker 2: key thing is when people make it about themselves. We

205
00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,000
Speaker 2: the progression that you need. What an ally should be

206
00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,880
Speaker 2: doing is saying, you know, in certain rooms, when you're

207
00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,360
Speaker 2: at dinner with similar people who may not understand what

208
00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,240
Speaker 2: exactly is happening in gaza or so on and so forth,

209
00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,600
Speaker 2: you can be the person who says, actually, you know

210
00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,520
Speaker 2: the reason why X y Z is because ABC? Do

211
00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,160
Speaker 2: you undersund like giving them the information so that me,

212
00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,720
Speaker 2: as the one who's marginalized or suffering, doesn't have to

213
00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,640
Speaker 2: be like, oh but you know this. This this is

214
00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,280
Speaker 2: easier people. It's more palatable when it comes from someone

215
00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,720
Speaker 2: who looks like yeah, yeah.

216
00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,439
Speaker 1: And also to offer different perspectives. I find a lot

217
00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,920
Speaker 1: of times in these rooms they're trying to make its

218
00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,640
Speaker 1: trivialize it right, like ah.

219
00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,800
Speaker 3: Why are they even stressing about that?

220
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,439
Speaker 1: Like you know, and it's like have you ever folt,

221
00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,440
Speaker 1: how we feel if this and that happened to you.

222
00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,120
Speaker 3: No, so.

223
00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,319
Speaker 1: You know, and I feel like a lot of times,

224
00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,560
Speaker 1: especially here with immigration issues, you know, you got people

225
00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,080
Speaker 1: who there's this whole theory of your jumping the queue,

226
00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,160
Speaker 1: like they call them boat people, people who come on

227
00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,840
Speaker 1: a boat as opposed to like applying from a detention

228
00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,800
Speaker 1: center overseas.

229
00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,480
Speaker 3: Or for asylum or whatever.

230
00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,040
Speaker 1: Okay, obviously, once you come over on a boat, you're

231
00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,640
Speaker 1: already here. So now that you have to like pretty

232
00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,160
Speaker 1: much something people yeah, see it as a fast track

233
00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,200
Speaker 1: to get in, and then there's this whole thing about it,

234
00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,080
Speaker 1: like people were very opinionated about it.

235
00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,880
Speaker 3: But it's like have you ever thought how desperate.

236
00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,480
Speaker 1: One must be to get a little boat, right, to

237
00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,600
Speaker 1: like seek a better life? And like, yes, of course

238
00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,120
Speaker 1: the system is broken, we already know that, but it's

239
00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,680
Speaker 1: like such a wide up. And I think that's where

240
00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,480
Speaker 1: the word empathy, as you said, comes in, because it's like, Okay,

241
00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,000
Speaker 1: don't make it such such a broad thing. That's why

242
00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,840
Speaker 1: I think I think allyship needs to be very singular.

243
00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,680
Speaker 2: And you you.

244
00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,240
Speaker 1: Decide do you think that sounds right yes or not?

245
00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,960
Speaker 1: And what do you do about it? How are you listening,

246
00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,720
Speaker 1: how are you providing a voice if you can? Yes,

247
00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,040
Speaker 1: and for everything as well.

248
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,920
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, sometimes you need to know when

249
00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,559
Speaker 2: you don't need to say anything. It's like I cannot

250
00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,800
Speaker 2: I don't have the information, I don't have the ability

251
00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,720
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of causes to if I

252
00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,800
Speaker 2: and they stay coming up and speaking to a point

253
00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,960
Speaker 2: actually about do you know what it's like to have

254
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,480
Speaker 2: to hop on a boat to make your way to

255
00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,880
Speaker 2: another country to seek asylum? If anyone has not yet,

256
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,640
Speaker 2: you should watch The Swimmers on Netflix. That film will

257
00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,760
Speaker 2: give you a great sort of understanding of what it

258
00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:38,240
Speaker 2: means for all these immigrants who are escaping wars and

259
00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,440
Speaker 2: you know, difficulties back home, even in Europe. You know,

260
00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,880
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of talk about illegal immigration, which

261
00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,680
Speaker 2: is a whole other but when you're just seeing it

262
00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:54,440
Speaker 2: as with humanity in your heart, it changes how your

263
00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,760
Speaker 2: perspective on how how things done and how hard it

264
00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:03,040
Speaker 2: must be. Brutal, Yes, exactly, exactly.

265
00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,440
Speaker 1: And we already know that living in the sport, but

266
00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:05,280
Speaker 1: there's another level.

267
00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,840
Speaker 2: It's another level, yeah, another anyway, So watch that if

268
00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,240
Speaker 2: you haven't. But do you think you're a strong. Ally,

269
00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:17,080
Speaker 2: this is.

270
00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,720
Speaker 1: A quot.

271
00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,880
Speaker 2: Because I don't know.

272
00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,080
Speaker 1: I literally as you said that to you girl, you

273
00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,520
Speaker 1: put me on the chopping blog. Yeah, it's literally, I

274
00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I would like to think I am. I

275
00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:36,040
Speaker 1: would like to think I am learning to become become one.

276
00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,680
Speaker 1: I would like to think that. One thing I definitely

277
00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,200
Speaker 1: know that came out of Black Lives Matter for me

278
00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,280
Speaker 1: personally was that if you're silent, you're complicit, not silent

279
00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,560
Speaker 1: as in you're listening. Listening silence is different because that's

280
00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,840
Speaker 1: when you're like educating yourself. But like when something happens

281
00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,000
Speaker 1: and you have the power or the space to speak

282
00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,800
Speaker 1: up and you don't because you're like too high to

283
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,760
Speaker 1: awkward in most cases, then we are also complicit because

284
00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,920
Speaker 1: your silence makes it seem like it's okay and that

285
00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,240
Speaker 1: person should be added. So I think I have learned

286
00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,280
Speaker 1: that my voice, even if it's a quiet, meek voice,

287
00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,240
Speaker 1: it's it's it's important as well, right, because a lot

288
00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,440
Speaker 1: of times people will see things and it's like and

289
00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,600
Speaker 1: when someone speaks up, everyone's yeah, like if I'm thinking

290
00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,160
Speaker 1: the same thing.

291
00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,520
Speaker 2: Because we are human, we do all.

292
00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,440
Speaker 1: Feel the same things, and like most times and then

293
00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,480
Speaker 1: like I feel like I've learned that and I think

294
00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm realizing that allyship is a journey and

295
00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,640
Speaker 1: it's not said and done like Okay, I was an ally,

296
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,480
Speaker 1: it stop Asian hate, I'm done.

297
00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:43,800
Speaker 2: It's back.

298
00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,880
Speaker 1: Like it's like there's so many things that we need

299
00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,280
Speaker 1: to I don't know, human levels usually actually daily that

300
00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,440
Speaker 1: we need to be calling things out.

301
00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,320
Speaker 2: And I was going to ask you to ask you

302
00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,480
Speaker 2: do you think it's only about the posting? Hey, you

303
00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,359
Speaker 2: guys need to know that x y Z is is

304
00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,439
Speaker 2: that if you don't post, you're not an ally or

305
00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,440
Speaker 2: if you don't say hey you guys, do you understand

306
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,679
Speaker 2: like on a public sade?

307
00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know what, This is a tricky

308
00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,199
Speaker 1: one because I do think when you have a huge platform,

309
00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,879
Speaker 1: your voice matters. So like you know, you see on

310
00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,920
Speaker 1: a KIMK and you know, they post pretty quickly when

311
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,040
Speaker 1: things happen because they almost have to in a way,

312
00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,239
Speaker 1: they have to because they have to show that. And

313
00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:38,160
Speaker 1: also and that's yeah, if there's such a word, because

314
00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,840
Speaker 1: it's like okay, then now you start to think, Okay,

315
00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:40,880
Speaker 1: what are you actually standing for?

316
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,200
Speaker 3: Study you know what I mean?

317
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,280
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if they don't say anything,

318
00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,560
Speaker 1: it's such a problem. So it's like I don't envy celebrities,

319
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,920
Speaker 1: so my my, in my everyday life. I don't think

320
00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,959
Speaker 1: you're forced to do anything that you're not that's not

321
00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,879
Speaker 1: coming from the heart, you know. I think you have

322
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,159
Speaker 1: to be honest with yourself and honest the people are

323
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,159
Speaker 1: trying to uphold and uplift in that moment. It's not

324
00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,679
Speaker 1: about you, as you said, so why and if you

325
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,239
Speaker 1: feel the urge to to obviously talk about it and

326
00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,919
Speaker 1: to help and to post, and you have the correct resources,

327
00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,639
Speaker 1: then yeah, reliable resources, then why not. But if you're

328
00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,000
Speaker 1: still in a moment of learning, a moment of education,

329
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,639
Speaker 1: then maybe premature to really.

330
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,680
Speaker 2: So it's like it's so dependent. What do you think

331
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,080
Speaker 2: I think. I think it is very dependent. And I

332
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,280
Speaker 2: think sometimes the strong form of allyship is in the

333
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,119
Speaker 2: closed within closed doors, and I've seen it personally in

334
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,159
Speaker 2: rooms where people have these opinions and then to be

335
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,840
Speaker 2: able to actually use your voice and say, actually, I

336
00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,040
Speaker 2: don't think that's so correct, or actually it's actually harder

337
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,399
Speaker 2: than just posting that on So I will tell yeah,

338
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,879
Speaker 2: for free, I will tell you this. It is so

339
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,240
Speaker 2: much harder to be in a room where you have

340
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 2: people who probably look like you or believe the same

341
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,520
Speaker 2: same values, that have the same values that you do,

342
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,720
Speaker 2: and they bring up something that may seem sort of

343
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 2: is left fields, especially if you consider yourself an ally

344
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,119
Speaker 2: and having to say no, actually, I don't think that's correct,

345
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 2: or have you ever considered that? So there's actually sometimes

346
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,760
Speaker 2: more power of influence in those spaces. So I just

347
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 2: want people to know that it's not always about Yes.

348
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 2: Of course, if you have a platform and can share,

349
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 2: do so. Sometimes I think we are scared to share

350
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 2: because we don't know. There's a lot of information going around.

351
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 2: Am I sharing the right thing in the right way,

352
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 2: especially when a buzzy topic.

353
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have time to educate a buzzy topic

354
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 1: you might not know lots about exactly.

355
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 2: And that's why sometimes it's good to take a step back,

356
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 2: take a moment, to do what you need to do

357
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 2: to figure out.

358
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,719
Speaker 1: That's just like that Empire dude, which do you remember

359
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,400
Speaker 1: the sorry story time the Empire guy?

360
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 3: I forget what just small letter?

361
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: I think, oh, yes, all the celebrities were like he

362
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 1: was attacked.

363
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: I know, Jersey, he's innocent.

364
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: Jersey's in the Nigerian dudes were like a man you

365
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: were paid to paid those posts of support because the

366
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 1: initial thing was he had been it was a hate

367
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 1: crime and he had been attacked. And I think the

368
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 1: thing was stand with Jesse. So it's like that's the

369
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 1: thing as well with posting, because you got both talk

370
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 1: quick to far stored out.

371
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 2: So edumate yourself. You gotta edumacate yourself to Speaking of edumacation,

372
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: you know when we talk about the right resources, Sorry,

373
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm really digressing. It's just because what are the right resources?

374
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 2: Because we recently had this conversation We're talking about the

375
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: war and the conflict in Gaza, and we're like, okay,

376
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 2: what are the informed resources, especially for things like war,

377
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: because war is genders on every side. Every side, someone

378
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: will tell you what they want you and put it

379
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: in a way you want to hear. Will they want

380
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,719
Speaker 2: you to hear it, and someone else will come and

381
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: give it to you in a way that you want

382
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: to hear it. It's personal disclaiment. I want to say,

383
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: I get very triggered by reading the news. I'm very

384
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: all the time. It's a very hard thing for me

385
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: to do. I typically will be like, Okay, this keeps

386
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 2: coming up, and then headlines and then eventually I'll be like,

387
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: let me do my research. But I'm not someone who's

388
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 2: like quick fast, like yeah, let's hear what's more So,

389
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: it's very triggering. So if you're someone who feels like

390
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 2: I have a very difficult time with reading the news

391
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: in general.

392
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: The empathy level was on one hundred room big, I

393
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: feel it's hard. It's tough as well, because let's not

394
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: to get even deeper into it, let's not lie that

395
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: the media is media is controlled by certain entities. So

396
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: when you're even if you say I'm going to watch

397
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: CNN or BBC, somebody's paying them checks march and they

398
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: have a certain they have a certain image American Well yeah, exactly.

399
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: So it's like I remember, even for Zimbabwe, there was

400
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: a time when I had to like grow a lot

401
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: of respect for our Jazerra because it felt like when

402
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: they reported our news about Zimbabwe, it was like the

403
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: real thing that's going on, and they will show you

404
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: both sides and literally decide, you know what I mean,

405
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: where As like BBC was doing it, you ain't know Gabi.

406
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 3: Was in trouble, like it was just gab is the

407
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: worst thing ever?

408
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: There was no nuance to it, Yes, because obviously all

409
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 1: the white farmers are being kicked out, so BBC just

410
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, So it's like you really have to.

411
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: I think that's where you have to practice your coming sense.

412
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: And maybe this is where this common sense is not

413
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: so common, but.

414
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: Yes it's not. And I think that's where discussions play

415
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: a pivotal role. Okay, this is what the media is saying,

416
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: is what that outlet is saying. But like you know,

417
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: can I hear from someone on the ground or can

418
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: I what more can I find out about this situation?

419
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: And you just have to go Sometimes you just have to.

420
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: As you said before, you don't have to say anything.

421
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: You can just be absorbing, absorbing and.

422
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: Just say no.

423
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: Look again, I'm in a space of I don't know.

424
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm still taking it all in because yeah, how do

425
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: you trust?

426
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: How do you honestly? And also in your media outlets,

427
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: it's also personalities, media personalities and all that. Be careful.

428
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: It's hard. There's no there's no answer. Basically, the answer

429
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: to that question is there's you need to forget figure

430
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: it out, figure it out, apply your is that your

431
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: brain is that what theta.

432
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: Yes, use your.

433
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: Exactly you know this.

434
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: So what allieship is?

435
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: There's action we spoke a there's listening, there's learning, and

436
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: then there's yielding. So I think yielding is more to

437
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: do with oh, okay, maybe I don't quite know as

438
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: much on this topic, or okay, I need to get

439
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: back on that, or you know, so, how do you

440
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: think we can adopt each of these to become better allies?

441
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: It's a really good, uh, really good question. And I

442
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: think for me, action we've spoken about already quite a bit,

443
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: whether we're learning when to speak up and again I

444
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: will reiterate sometimes speaking up is in those uncomfortable space.

445
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: I think I've had to do this too many times.

446
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: That's why it's like I'm just like, yeah, are you

447
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: doing it? But speaking up? Listening, I think it's as

448
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: we saw from the Cambridge Dictionary, definition being one of

449
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: the most important parts and listening with our prejudgment prejudice

450
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: to listen for what it is and hear that person's

451
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: point of view and then apply your medulla oblongata to

452
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 2: make a you know, informed, you know decision we spoke about,

453
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: which is reading multiple resources. Also, history is a great

454
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: way to learn beyond just like the news saying this

455
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 2: is what's happened is well, but if you can go

456
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: back to the history of that culture, of those people

457
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: of that country or that area, it's also very informative

458
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: because it's like it gives you a greater perspective like, oh,

459
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: we've been done, We've done been dealing with this, you know,

460
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: even history in the sense for example, Biblical history with

461
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 2: the issue of Gaza, with the issue like there's so

462
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: many beyond just what is current affairs looking back and

463
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: then yielding. I think A Manda said did so well

464
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: when she said, sometimes you have to be like, you know, here,

465
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: I don't have enough for me to form an opinion

466
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: that is capable of moving things forward positively in some

467
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: positive direction. You know, maybe I need to take a

468
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: step back and just say I don't know. I'm here

469
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: for you to listen. And also yielding could be how

470
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 2: can I help you in terms of removing self and

471
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: saying yes, I must tell them how to do this?

472
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: How what do you need? How do you need me

473
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: to stand up for you and support you?

474
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so funny you say that because I remember,

475
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: like another story it was just becoming story time.

476
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: She just have done this episode a story time.

477
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: But like, like literally, I remember we were hiring a

478
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: lady of African descent. I'm not gonna, in fact Nigerian.

479
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Why am I gonna actually like, I'm just gonna say it,

480
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: just a Nigerian. And then we have some American ladies

481
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: at our work as well, and one of them is Colombian.

482
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: So like, the accents are coming in thick and fast

483
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: from all over the world, right, and like our hi

484
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: manager after interviewing her because I don't quite understand her,

485
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, but you understand the quity downstairs.

486
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: We's Columbian.

487
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: Then you know looks, you know, because Colombians are known

488
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: to be really good looking as united so many times.

489
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: So like but it's just like that, like sometimes even

490
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: the ally ship is in showing someone else their own prettages. Like,

491
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, we can't really use accents as like a

492
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: way to hire or fire someone one two if you

493
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: accept this person with this accent, that one with an

494
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: accent like open the doors, you know, just because the

495
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: other one the quity ptuity doesn't mean that, you know.

496
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: So it's like I find a lot of times I've

497
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: had to have those where it's not like I guess

498
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: it's like calling out right because it's like, hmm, but

499
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: why can you explain your logic? Like because if he

500
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: had said, look, I don't do accents like Aussie's and

501
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: our workplace is full of Aussi's, then maybe I would

502
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: have been like, this is really bad, but I'm you

503
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: surround you surrounded yourself in that world. But no, you're

504
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: fine tochchat with Columbia but not Miss Nigeria up.

505
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: Stop correct, yeah.

506
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: Come correct? And also calling out isn't always like be

507
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: like hey, you can't do this, just like why but why?

508
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like get them.

509
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: Thinking understand Miss Columbia.

510
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just ask her to repeat herself. So if

511
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: you don't understand Miss Nigeria, just ask Miss Nigeria to

512
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: repeat herself.

513
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: And it's so crazy for me because like sometimes you

514
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: listen even Aussie accents, I must say, like sometimes I'll

515
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: be like what are they saying like and then it's

516
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: like I'm like is it English? And I'm like, yes,

517
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: it's English, then having to dissect. So here's the here's

518
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: the fun part. Guys.

519
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: It's not only not only one way, right, we also

520
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: don't understand you.

521
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: I'll never anyway. Yeah, we digress, we digress. Why do

522
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: you think it has become of great importance to have

523
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: strong allies?

524
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: I think because we've been quiet, quiet for too long.

525
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: People have been quiet for too long, suffering for too long,

526
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: you know. I know, on a personal note, when Black

527
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Lives Matter happened, my dad was like.

528
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: Ah, but and did you offer season?

529
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: So like get in their spaces? So what.

530
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: Like like like obviously.

531
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: Going to be macro microaggression.

532
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: Obviously they're going to touch your hair, Like what do

533
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: you expect you are in their office, in.

534
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: Their building, you know, come back home? You know what

535
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: I mean that mentality, And like.

536
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: He just realized that, Okay, obviously for a parents' generation

537
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: that had bigger problems like yeah, colonialism, to fight in

538
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: the Yeah, some of our I mean it was relatives

539
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: were probably also actually in the actual warfare war zones.

540
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: So they're not gonna think microagreation is a path, you

541
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's like one of those

542
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: things where you start to think, Okay, but just because

543
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 1: it wasn't as quote unquote severe as you might think

544
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: for you comparing to you, doesn't mean it's not as

545
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: equally important. Yes, so I think it's it's and it

546
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: just showed me I actually really educated. But like, no,

547
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: the world is more global now and we people shouldn't

548
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: have to I should be able to call the cops

549
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: and not have them think not but have them want

550
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: to arrest me based on my skin color.

551
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: Do you know?

552
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: I should feel safe with the cops. That's everyone should,

553
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: but everyone has a right to. So I think it's

554
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: just one of those things where you just realize that

555
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: times are changing, people are changing, and why not be

556
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: more inclusive for sure? Why not stand up for what

557
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: is right, what is humane? So I think that's why

558
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: it's important to have strong allies totally.

559
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: And I also think if you know better, you got

560
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: to do better. And we just happen to know more

561
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: that part, So we got to know better and we

562
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: got to do better. Back in the day, you could

563
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: excuse it to oh, the newspapers don't report it or

564
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: they don't tell us enough about this, so I don't

565
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: have the right information about this. Ah so oh well,

566
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: but even then, let me tell you, people still protested

567
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: injustices things like a put daid. They protested in other

568
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: parts of the world. So it's not like allyship is

569
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: something completely new. It's just we know more. So in

570
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: knowing more, you hope we know better. Of course we

571
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: have false effake news and all that, but hopefully you'll do.

572
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: Better, that's yeah.

573
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: And like why not And even on a personal level,

574
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, we can't imagine lize people because of their

575
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: sexual preference, because of sexual orientation, because of the like

576
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: it seems so like why.

577
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: What has that got to do with true? Like, that's

578
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: the thing. I mean, this is what I always say.

579
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: It's like being an ally. Sometimes something doesn't affect you,

580
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with you. It's not part

581
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: of you. Sure, but if someone that is part of

582
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: their realm, and that's how they just just let people live.

583
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how to explain it,

584
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: Like let people imagine you. Let's say you love football

585
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: and someone comes to you and it's like football is trash,

586
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: like and anyone who watches football, we're gonna, you know,

587
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: knock off, like you just be like, but it's not

588
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: a fake. Let me watch my football in peace. That's

589
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: what that's all people want. That's what they just want

590
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: to watch.

591
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: It basic, right, Like Yeah, why can't I am I

592
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: right to like what sport I like or to.

593
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: Live without fear of being killed. I don't know exactly,

594
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm just putting it out there.

595
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like sometimes when you dig deeper,

596
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: it's like, are you finding this behavior threatening?

597
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: Is there some stuff we need to work on there?

598
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 3: Because why?

599
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: Why trigger?

600
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: Why do you?

601
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: Why was so triggered? Why are you so triggered?

602
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: Have you been living in the closets? And like why?

603
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: I love your life?

604
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: Food?

605
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: Where do you go boo and do what you need

606
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: to do? Like, no one's going to judge you.

607
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: But I think it's like a lot of times, And

608
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: obviously religion plays a huge role because then everyone and

609
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure a lot of the stuff happening

610
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: in Gaza as well.

611
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 2: Steeped in religion steeped.

612
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: So it's like all these things that people just have

613
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: this mentality of I'm right, you're wrong, and it's like why.

614
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: And I've been reading I've been reading The Power of

615
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: Now by ear Toll that he was talking about how

616
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: one of the biggest issues of the ego. He talks

617
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: about ego a lot in his book, and the biggest

618
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: issue of ego is that need to be right and

619
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: the inability of hearing someone else's perspective which may be

620
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: different to your own, and just being like, okay, you fail.

621
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: As humans too, we fail. It's always I want you

622
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: to know that I was right. The way I see

623
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: the world is right, and the way I do things

624
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: is right, and everyone should do it. It's like sometimes

625
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: it's okay, just like, wow, that's such an interesting person.

626
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: I literally have conversations with people and I'm like, wow,

627
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: that's such an interesting take. Yeah.

628
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: Most of the times it doesn't even have to affect

629
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: your own takes. It's just like, oh it's interesting, yes,

630
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: move on, child like, but people really won't take it,

631
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: like to task if you don't agree.

632
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: Also, that energy of carrying that, it's like it's too much.

633
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot in life. We all have a lot

634
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: going on. You don't need to carry that, you know.

635
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: So So for me, that's.

636
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Like what was that book like the subtle art of

637
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: giving fivefucks to give today?

638
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: I can't be giving them to you. Thanks, So why

639
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: are you forcing me?

640
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: Like?

641
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: Let us move on?

642
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: But I think it's just yeah, you're right, it is ego.

643
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: People just want to know that what they do is righteous,

644
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: good and the better person, blah blah blah, without actually

645
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: just thinking it's okay for you.

646
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: To live and live well doing your own thing.

647
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine. We don't have to go back and

648
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: forth about this. It's not that. It's not that pressing,

649
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: like you're making it pressing. You know, if there's something

650
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: you could change around the concept of allyship, though, what

651
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: would it be.

652
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: I would make it mandatory for people to read multiple

653
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: resources on opposing ends of the spectrum to form an

654
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: opinion first before they start shooting their words out and

655
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: making arguing with people on the internet. Yeah, I don't

656
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: know if it's changing any and that's what we shouldn't do.

657
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: No fair enough.

658
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: But in new educating yourself, you actually realize that there's

659
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: a lot of nuance with a lot of these things.

660
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: There's some stuff that's to me black and white, like

661
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: like especially with LGBTQIA rights, it's like, okay, no, let

662
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: them live, it's fine, love we want to love me.

663
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is that we need?

664
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: Then there's some.

665
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: Stuff obviously with the wars and you know, that might

666
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: have a bit more nuance. Then there's some stuff like

667
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: with Ukraine, where you're like, but why are you coming

668
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: to someone else's sundary?

669
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 3: Like you know, there's like there's.

670
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: Some stuff that's just so obvious, so obviously you have

671
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: to practice where where it lands and where it doesn't.

672
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: But I think for me a lot, I would love

673
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: to change the whole performative part of allies. Yes, like

674
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: oh I donated, Oh I did this, and it's like okay, yeah, fine,

675
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: or you post your receipts because people want to see

676
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: them receipts.

677
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: But it's like, okay, but what now? What after?

678
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: Like I think with and then we keep resorting back

679
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: to black lives no matter because I guess that one

680
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: was on a personal level when it comes to allyeship.

681
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: But it's like people really were like, oh yeah, I'm donating.

682
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: But I'm like, okay, now it's been five years later,

683
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: three years later, whatever, what have you done? Have you

684
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: given someone of color a platform? You know, if you

685
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: have one, have you you know? Have you done I've

686
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: actually on a personal level, change your circle. I think

687
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: there's a picture someone shared was making the runs on

688
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: the internet. Some celebrity was having like I think tea

689
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: or something in the Hamptons and the whole table was

690
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: full of like, well, these white actors, white writers, white

691
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: and it's like this is what Hollywood looks like. These

692
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: were the decisions are getting made. This is where you

693
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: know things are moving, and there's no body of color,

694
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: Like we're not even I'm not even talking black, I'm talking.

695
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: In Hispanic age like it is. White is right like,

696
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: and there's nothing else.

697
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: So it was like one of those things where it's like, Okay,

698
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: so clearly in these rooms, as Ruby spoke about before,

699
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: there is no one to represent someone who's another There's

700
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: literally no one. You're getting people deciding what we wear,

701
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: what we do, what we watch, who are not involved

702
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: and what we wear, what we do, what we watch.

703
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, I know nothing about it. Just

704
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: want to look at the dollar sign, you know, at

705
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: the end of everything. And I think it's like, that's

706
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: so jarring to me that we're just so performative heir

707
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: diversity inclusion all these teams here, let's do this DEI

708
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah.

709
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: But it's like, Okay, what does that actually mean?

710
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: And look like, who have you hired in a top

711
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: executive position, who's of color, who's well deserving by the way,

712
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: we're not just saying just chucking it.

713
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people out there.

714
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: Have you've done your research, you know, and like, I

715
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of people, like even with

716
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: fashion like Edward Nifel pushing British Vogue and all these

717
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: black places you'll see because you can do this.

718
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: Yes, Dave, it's a little bit.

719
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: Harder because you've always used that same photographer for years,

720
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: but like diversify it's okay.

721
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: Yep, totally agree, one hundred percent. I think what it

722
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: is it's it's work, Yeah, exactly. Not everyone is willing

723
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: and ready to do the work or take on the work,

724
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: so hey, yeah.

725
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: And also people don't the ego, don't want to share,

726
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: that's true.

727
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: So it's also like, ah, that's.

728
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: Why why should I have to I thought I thought

729
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: tooth and nail to get here. Meanwhile, it's like inheritance.

730
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's another story for another day. But it's like, oh, yeah, no,

731
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: so why would I Why would I share my space

732
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: with anybody? Why would I give a voice to anyone

733
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: else when I'm enjoying the fruits of my labor?

734
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: Totally So Mommy, Mommy and Daddy's labor anyway as women

735
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: and to bring it a bit closer to home for

736
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: ourselves as women, specifically black zimbabwe And women, that is,

737
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: how do men play a role in being good allies?

738
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: M it's real clubs.

739
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: The way we've talked about this, the way we have

740
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: chattered about this girl, especially when you go back to

741
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: zoom and you're with your habby there or your brother

742
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: there and you're like, I know, when you're overseas you

743
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: wash these dishes? Why anting like you can't see them

744
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: dishes now? And the only way in these with patriarchy especially,

745
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: the only way things would change is if people in

746
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: the patriarchal society call out these changes. Of course, women

747
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: also uphold the patriarchy. That's not like, but it also

748
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: takes a man to be like.

749
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: It's too much. Yeah, So, Amanas, you've definitely touched on

750
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: one of the issues we face as Zimbabwean women, specifically

751
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: black women. Patriarchy is a huge thing. There's a lot

752
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: of we've had in an episode around abuse. There's a

753
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: lot of that. There's class and status and all these things,

754
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: so much financial emotional, like there's just so I'm losing

755
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: the words. I'm just telling you so for those who

756
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: don't know what issues are being faced by black women,

757
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: and we obviously are speaking specifically as black women because

758
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: we are black women and we are from Zabwe, those

759
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 2: there are a lot of issues, and I think it's

760
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: the silence, the silence of men in these scenarios and

761
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: situations where women are suffering. Do you know I didn't

762
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: actually realize what allyship was really in terms of a

763
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: man helped or signing up for You went home for

764
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: the first time after getting married in March April, and

765
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: we love these story times. By the way, we had

766
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: we had a brier barbecue for for my parents. Throw

767
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: us a barbecue, and my husband and I to be like, oh,

768
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: you guys are here, so family can come see you

769
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: since the wedding, so on and so forth. And of

770
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: course in our culture, who's going to be doing the cooking?

771
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: Me as the guest is the one? Yeah, both thinker,

772
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: so you do the work, Oh the heck, and I'm there.

773
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: And then when it's time to serve, my mom was like, oh, sir,

774
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: for your husband, you guys surf first, be surved for

775
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: your husband, because you know that's how it's done there.

776
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: And then my husband was like, no, I can come

777
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: the dish for myself totally. And the whole time when

778
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: you saw me up and down, he was like stressed

779
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: because he was stressful. He was supposed to sit with

780
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: family and engage them in conversation, and I was, you know,

781
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: running around and he just kept seeing me and he's like,

782
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: are you okay? Do you need anything? And I was like,

783
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: because we know what our society is, and just for

784
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: him to say, no, I will serve myself. The wood's here,

785
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: it's easy again. That was just him saying like I

786
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: don't need you to labor even more for me, which

787
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: was something I appreciated, you know, him even saying that

788
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: in front of my parents. It's a big thing with

789
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: family there. Then I had a cousin whose wife had

790
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: a baby. She's taking care of this baby. He's younger

791
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: than me, by the way, and then he's like, go

792
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: dish for me to his wife. So I'm looking at

793
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: him like this is a this is a free for

794
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: all buffet, and he's like, no, that's why we got married, right,

795
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: And not only was she requested so because she came

796
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh no, but like he can

797
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: time help himself, like the table's ready, Like it's not.

798
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: That everything's there, everything is.

799
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: Everything is set, and then she's like, oh no. I

800
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: was told no to sir go and asked like, how

801
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: can you make him? You know, obviously you have to

802
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: be like not too like intense, but it's like, how

803
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: can you make yourself? You know, she's been with the

804
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: baby all day and he's just like, oh, that's why

805
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: we got married. And I was like, not only dishing

806
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: for her husband, she had a dish for her husband's brother,

807
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: younger brother too. It's just like, what in the what

808
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: in the actual I'm using a very simplified scenario to

809
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: just break down how many and I really called it.

810
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: I was like, how can you do that? No, like

811
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: you've got your and he's like, no, that's why I

812
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: have a wife. I was like, m and.

813
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: Be your own because you're thinking this guy is younger

814
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: than me. He clearly you should be more quote unquote woke,

815
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: but here we are nope, pushing it, pushing pushing gender.

816
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: He's sleeping Oma. That's just that's just been there.

817
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: And you know what, people probably were looking at Tom

818
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: like that Tom is checked, so obviously that's why he'd

819
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: be doing this Like you know, if it was a

820
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: fellow zimbabwe and man, the question then becomes, do you

821
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: have enough cahunas to stand up for your wife and

822
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: be like, ah, you know, I do the dishes at home.

823
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: I can do the dishes. Yeah, Like yep, it's exactly problem.

824
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: Exactly, so it's we could go on. I think it

825
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: really it really confuses me because I'm like, it's so confusing.

826
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: We were educated the same for the most part. People

827
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: were global minded to some degree. Obviously it depends on

828
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: you know, situation, circumstance. We all have access to the internet.

829
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: We're all trying to play a part. I was so confused,

830
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: and it's I think what hurts and I think it

831
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: ultimately why it affects me. I think it really hurts

832
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: as a black woman to see black men being quiet

833
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: when black women suffer. And I'm not saying.

834
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: It's the ultimately, it's the ultimate hard Yeah.

835
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's not that we want you to

836
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 2: now or whatever. Like we understand there's a whole history

837
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: and it's hard to like and do a lot of that,

838
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: but to carry your plate or to offer to help

839
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: with I don't know how to explain it. There's just yeah,

840
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: you know what, I should think.

841
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: It's so deep because there's a lot of and I'm

842
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: sure at some point we're going to have a whole

843
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: episode or centered around this because there's a lot of

844
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: self hate attached there, because it's like, sometimes it feels

845
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: like black men will treat any other race decent but us.

846
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 2: You know, my mom was strong, so you'll be strong.

847
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: But I'm not a quiet rath like you know, I'm

848
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: a fellow sister who uphold me, uplift me the same

849
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: way I want to uphold and uplift you. And I

850
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: feel like we then race races. Sometimes a lot of

851
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: times you notice and we're digressing here, but hey, just

852
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: come with us. Yes, a lot of times you you

853
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: notice that we are very especially when it comes to

854
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: a black man. It feels as if they're complimentary of

855
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: everyone else but us.

856
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: They treat everyone else.

857
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: And sometimes you see this guy in a soft life

858
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: with the with the twy honey, and then I was

859
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: like you was like, no, you're being treated like this. Yeah,

860
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: why can't you just be as soft as you are?

861
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: But obviously there's a lot of, as you said, things,

862
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: we have to learn their history and this whole I

863
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: have to be the strong black man and lead my family.

864
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's more so when it's black on black,

865
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, And it's it's heartbreaking to not be loved

866
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: and nurtured.

867
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: In your own home and surrounds.

868
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: Before you go elsewhere, you know, so you can be like,

869
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: I understand why people not understand, but you can see

870
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: people due to ignorance or whatever, might not appreciate me,

871
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: but you you know me, you should love me, and

872
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: I appreciate you know, yeah too.

873
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it's it's really heartbreak. It's something that

874
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 2: I think I'm trying to wrap my head around in

875
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: a lot of ways because it's like, yeah, if we

876
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: can't like each other up.

877
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: How we women in the world and who will Yeah,

878
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: because all the other men also look at us, but

879
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: your own men don't appreciate you.

880
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, And I know it's almost there's a

881
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: whole argument women, you don't do this or whatever, But

882
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't. I don't know. Maybe because

883
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm a woman, I don't buy it, because, as you said,

884
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: the ability to support and be there for a woman

885
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 2: of a different hue or whatever compared to or background,

886
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: compared to you. It's really disheartening.

887
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's not even about a love relationship. It's

888
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: even like siblings. You know, a lot of times my

889
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: brothers tender mosha. We we've gone to the royal areas.

890
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: They have to push for me, like no, no, no, Amanda'll

891
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: harp you get the bucket and get the water.

892
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 3: We all grow. We're all in this because you all.

893
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: Know this too, you know.

894
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 1: So it's like it's not but I'm not even talking

895
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: about like you know that's romantic club is another step.

896
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: But even just your own brother helping you in the

897
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: morning to get tea for everybody to do this, to

898
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: do that, it's just like, be my ally, help me.

899
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: You know, this is a struggle. I'm not I don't

900
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: have to be strong twenty for seven, especially with my

901
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: own family, Like can I not be vulnerable here?

902
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: If I can't be vulnerable, we know they're like thinking

903
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: Rooney is watching New Slave Aways.

904
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: So sometimes even like you just got to commend men,

905
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: black men, black Zimbabwean men who are willing to fight

906
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: the status quo, who are willing to question it even

907
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: let's not even fight this is question, Like there's twenty guys,

908
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: yeah and two girls. We expect those two girls to

909
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: give everybody their bucket.

910
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: For like to wash hands or whatever.

911
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, be ages them.

912
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: Okay, all the young guns go and get my bucket,

913
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: like you know ye to be another aspect that's not

914
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: just women do everything for sure. Notes because you're sitting

915
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: on top, right, So who wants to just while saying

916
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: for who wants to share when you're on top, who

917
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: wants to go back and lift someone out?

918
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: Clearly nobody And that brings it so much more into

919
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: perspective to say, this is why we need allies because

920
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: it's like it's so comfortable and you need to get

921
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: a little bit uncomfortable for you to actually help. And

922
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: I think what people don't realize. It's like it's like

923
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: someone must lose for me to win. But it's like

924
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 2: what if we all win? And if you push it forward.

925
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: Imagine you're pushing forward and society benefits as a whole,

926
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: like you become I don't know, And I honestly think

927
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: speaking of the you know, black men black women scenario,

928
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: I think black women were revered back in the day,

929
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: but then I think with colonialism and the introduction of

930
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: all these ideas of patriarchy. It shifted things to being

931
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: almost like women as an asset or something to do things.

932
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: And also I feel like as a skate knowledge right,

933
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: because these men were being disrespected because you listen, I

934
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: could only take it home. I could only take my

935
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: anger home, you know, because it workout to be as bass.

936
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: Yes, So now when I'm home, I can beat up

937
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: on you. I can get all that anger and frustration

938
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: out out. Yeah, so we're not denying that. That's why

939
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: we were saying so much to work through, you know,

940
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: But we's just like, can we work though? Yeah, next

941
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: time you go move out to your sister, please just

942
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: say something.

943
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: Please just go help me with something, just please. You

944
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: already got to sleep in.

945
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah that wake up early, brah.

946
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: And then they're just like you are already swathing. I mean,

947
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 4: could try and actually you help me with the tear.

948
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 4: Do something, just a little small steps.

949
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: Somebody asking you to do slave away, but it's a

950
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: little bring your plate after you eat.

951
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: Just bring a plate. Let's start there, guys, very simple.

952
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: Let's just bring the plate. That's it.

953
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: We're clearly very triggered.

954
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh my gosh, it's such a layered topic

955
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: and there's so many aspects to it, and I guess

956
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: you just wanted people to question within themselves. Allies ship

957
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: their thoughts, and I think a lot of times when

958
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: you're like, I think it happened in America where they

959
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: had Black Lives Matter and they felt like other people

960
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: of color supported Germen, stop Asian hate started.

961
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of talk about African.

962
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: Americans not pulling up to help Asian. So I think

963
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times as well, even within our own communities, Yes,

964
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm already marginalized, but I can still for someone else,

965
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, because because again you should understand because you

966
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: also sometimes go through it in your way. And I

967
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: guess we just wanted to have an episode where we

968
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: honor all the people doing the hard work out there

969
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: in these closed rooms, behind closed doors, we see, we

970
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: love you and keep going please.

971
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: And the conspiracy theorists in me is like they don't

972
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 2: want us to support each other because they know powerful too. Yeah.

973
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: You know, my dad and I actually have gone to

974
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: depth talking about this. Tribalism was back back in the

975
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: back back day. People used to actually some people there

976
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: were different tribes used to share things and do batter trading.

977
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: Then on colonism came was like, oh, that tribe and

978
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: then people started going against each other, try bullying each

979
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: other and exactly, and whilst you're busy doing that, I

980
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: can come and take over. So really there's layers to this.

981
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: Don't let them win, guys, don't let them wind.

982
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 3: We're gonna be getting the DS.

983
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: Just my theory on life conspiracy theorists. I think I

984
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: got a lot of that from my dad.

985
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: Just conspiracy theories anyway, but you gotta deep your dad

986
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: was onto something.

987
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: Always. What's our zim shout out for this episode? Room?

988
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: So our zim shout out quite befitting is zimbabwe And

989
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: born Stephanie Travis, who is deputy team principal of Lewis

990
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: Hamilton's Extreme E team X four four Vida Carbon Racing.

991
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: Oh that was a mufful before that, she spent three

992
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: years working with the Mercedes F one team. We just

993
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: wanted to shout out her for making waves and spaces

994
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: where women don't often get a chance to shine. Stephanie

995
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: travers at Stephanie Travis as her handle and talking about allyship. Essentially,

996
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton of her and she's not the only woman

997
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 2: on his team, I think is really really what it

998
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: is to bring them in, open the door, allow them

999
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: into these spaces, and that's what he did. So shout

1000
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: out to her and being in an unconventional field, in

1001
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: an unconventional space as a woman. I know there are

1002
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: a lot of more women who are now into Formula one.

1003
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: I know Amanda's a fan of watching one, so you know,

1004
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: it's shout out to that. I'm not quite there, but

1005
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: I can appreciate the speed we can edit. Being Zimbabwean bra,

1006
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: that's the extra flavor on top of that. Yes, exactly, exactly,

1007
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: So shout out to you Stephanie Travis for what you're doing.

1008
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 2: Keep shining and guys, we just hope this episode was helpful.

1009
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: It's a complex topic. This is why we do this

1010
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: podcast actually is to discuss these very layered topics which

1011
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: are not straightforward, but we strongly believe in talking about things,

1012
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: we start thinking about things, and starting to think about things,

1013
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: we start to find ways to shift and change and

1014
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: discuss them with others too. Yeah for sure. Yeah, thank

1015
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: you so much, Amanda, Thank you all for listening. You

1016
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: know we're on all the socials.

1017
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: Just find our website and our website on your website.

1018
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, thank you so much, thank for listening, thank

1019
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 2: you and for your time. And we'll catch you guys

1020
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 2: on the next one. Take care bye. We'll use your hand.

1021
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 3: They will tear you up.

1022
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 2: Lack a paper two. Oh no no no, yeah yeah

1023
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: yeah yeah