Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome back to the Mason Cox Show. Now
Speaker 1: today our guest is one of the biggest legends of Australia.
Speaker 1: He's kind of rose to the ranks in the last
Speaker 1: you know, eight years, and I've become a big fan.
Speaker 1: I've made a few dinners of spag bowls and wore
Speaker 1: a bowlo tie with this man doing his thing. But
Speaker 1: we'll go into it. He's got a construction management degree
Speaker 1: at Curtain University, mine even me looking to become an engineer.
Speaker 1: He's a big Premier League fan. He's from He's lived
Speaker 1: in to Woomba, to Woomba which is out in Queensland,
Speaker 1: and also lived in Perth. Was born in Khartoum, sud
Speaker 1: Dan has over five million people lived there, which I
Speaker 1: was like just blown away more than Melbourne. Obviously. He's
Speaker 1: done the Olympics and everything else. He's an eight hundred
Speaker 1: meters runner in the twenty sixteen Reel, twenty twenty Tokyo
Speaker 1: silver medalist in the twenty twenty two Commonwealth Gangsbery Man.
Speaker 1: We could go on on on, but I will not
Speaker 1: go without any further adom. I'm bringing the great man
Speaker 1: that is Peter Bowll onto the podcast. Welcome, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming introduction.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Man. Man, it's so good. I haven't really met you
Speaker 1: too much, man, but I feel like, you know, we're
Speaker 1: two peas in a part of us too, you know
Speaker 1: we You didn't start playing to your still didn't start
Speaker 1: running till you're seventeen. I didn't start playing footy. Toll
Speaker 1: was twenty three. I had no idea what it was.
Speaker 1: You were a big basketball man, was that correct?
Speaker 2: Massive basketball? I tell everyone I'm a great basketball player,
Speaker 2: But I mean, can you dunk? I don't know right now,
Speaker 2: but I have yeah, yeah, I did you see dunk?
Speaker 1: But I don't know how I've dunk before. Definitely, Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: all right. For some reason, people think like being able
Speaker 1: to dunk. Yeah, of course. I literally rest my hands
Speaker 1: like there. It's like I'd be embarrassed if I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I can't get off the ground. Now. Everyone seems to
Speaker 1: have it like if you can dunk, you play basketball.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm like, you know what, I could dunk,
Speaker 1: and I was a terrible basketball player. I'll get into that,
Speaker 1: Nag melow Din. I don't know if a lot of
Speaker 1: people know this, this is your actual name. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my first name. Can you can you describe me how
Speaker 1: Peter came out of this whole thing? Is everyone? Now,
Speaker 1: I'll even go back.
Speaker 2: Back even further. What So I was born and like
Speaker 2: you said, and our language as Arabic sock meldon. The
Speaker 2: pronunciation is an Araic name Nejma actually means star star, yeah,
Speaker 2: and Arabic and din means religion, which will get one
Speaker 2: into the religion.
Speaker 1: And we're going to jump into that for sure.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then obviously.
Speaker 1: Do you prefer to be called that or are you
Speaker 1: just going to my parents?
Speaker 2: Not even my parents called me that, so they mostly
Speaker 2: called me Peter. But I mean on my passport has
Speaker 2: got so sometimes I feel a little bit of a fraud.
Speaker 1: Naje mel den nagnagement, So everyone out there, you've ever
Speaker 1: seen it properly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you're growing up, we had different several
Speaker 2: nicknames and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all some of the nicknames you got speaks people
Speaker 1: pee bowl.
Speaker 2: Pee bowl is the most common one. I use Instagram
Speaker 2: handle what do.
Speaker 1: You what do you want to be called? Whenever someone's
Speaker 1: announcing you, if you had a nickname, you're just thrown
Speaker 1: out there and you're okay, I'm big text. I want
Speaker 1: people to call me big texts. You know, actually like text.
Speaker 1: Walker's kind of taken that. I'm like a little bit
Speaker 1: pissed off about that is from Texas, but it's the
Speaker 1: whole thing. But what would you what would you want
Speaker 1: to be cold?
Speaker 2: Probably bowl or pee bowl?
Speaker 1: Pee bowl? Yeah, I like it, and I want to
Speaker 1: ask you there's a question I was going to ask later,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to bring it up now. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about nicknames, right, and whenever you get into a race.
Speaker 1: You know, some people like Michelle does like the dance,
Speaker 1: you know, and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you do anything? Have you ever done anything? I know
Speaker 1: you're pretty relaxed guy. You kind of you know, you're
Speaker 1: in your mindset and you're ready to go.
Speaker 2: I like wearing the jewelry. I like wearing the I
Speaker 2: like wearing the things and the ear rings.
Speaker 1: And you're allowed to wear anything whenever you're on not watches.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can wear watches, but you can
Speaker 2: work on everything else.
Speaker 1: You had to wear a watch, what would it be?
Speaker 2: Lung jeans happy with that one.
Speaker 1: Sparts will be happy with that one. So you can
Speaker 1: wear a heating so you wear necklaces wherever you want.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Whatever makes it feel confident.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever makes you feel good.
Speaker 1: Do you feel good? Is it kind of like swimming?
Speaker 1: Do you kind of like shave your whole body and
Speaker 1: get a short haircut and stuff like?
Speaker 2: But I do like getting a fade before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta look fresh. You gotta look fresh.
Speaker 2: You're only there for like less than two minutes, so
Speaker 2: you want to.
Speaker 1: It's got four minutes you out of that. I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more obviously that goes into that. But
Speaker 1: so you go. You got the haircut. Do you have
Speaker 1: a necklace? Do you like, like, do you have a
Speaker 1: special necklace, like kind of any kind of superstitions you.
Speaker 2: Have to be superstition. I just kind of put a
Speaker 2: necklace on one of my necklaces. Probably I wore this
Speaker 2: during the common Wealth. Yeah, yeah, I wait a wristband.
Speaker 2: The wristband actually says it's pretty cool. It says same distance,
Speaker 2: different track. Yeah, it's a great mentality. Like whenever you're racing.
Speaker 2: Whenever you're racing, you're still racing eight hundred meters. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the track changes, the location changes, but but you still
Speaker 2: got the Yeah, you still doing eight hundred meters, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, overthink it. It's like, you know
Speaker 1: what you're doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: You know. I got to be on your zone and
Speaker 2: I've got that on moist races.
Speaker 1: Any any song once your pump up song, right, Man.
Speaker 2: I've been listening to Kanye.
Speaker 1: Kanye Old Score. Now we're talking about drop out album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll talk of college dropouts, the one before he went
Speaker 1: absolutely Crazy. That's actually like probably half that albums in
Speaker 1: my game day music. I'm not gonna lie, mate, We'll go.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you some quick fire questions and
Speaker 1: I'm going to get you something because I've heard from
Speaker 1: an inside source you like this little thing I gift you.
Speaker 1: He was the most influential person in your life. Man.
Speaker 2: I used to look at my Ma Ali, so I
Speaker 2: bung up mam Ali number one legend, absolutely legend on
Speaker 2: you know, on the field, on the boxing ring and
Speaker 2: outside of the box.
Speaker 1: Mentality. His mentality is crazeless. I love it. And he
Speaker 1: was like very well spoken outside of it too. And
Speaker 1: he's like he's more than just an athlete. One of
Speaker 1: the most people that was like more than an athlete.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I think you changed the whole game.
Speaker 2: Was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Okay, what gives you the most
Speaker 1: confidence is the chain can give you the most comment
Speaker 1: you put that on, it's like, yeah, I'm ready, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to go.
Speaker 2: I reckon, I reckon training. Yeah, if you're not training,
Speaker 2: no matter what, no matter what, change you're wearing yet exposed.
Speaker 2: So when when you're looking good at training, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: cool about practice.
Speaker 1: Practice talking about practice. Favorite athlete who could be right,
Speaker 1: kyb Yeah alright, p man, he was unreal. Here's the
Speaker 1: next level. Won't get into it, so I'm gonna start crying.
Speaker 1: Favorite type of food pasta, pasta, spaghetti follow as you
Speaker 1: might say you do like it, but also smoked salmon,
Speaker 1: smoked salmon, a tazzy salmon. Awsoal put a little glaze
Speaker 1: on what we're talking. What we're talking. Yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 1: I'll give you this.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm actually excited to see that.
Speaker 1: I've been told you a big fan. I've been told
Speaker 1: you a big fan of the Org Phantom, right, so
Speaker 1: I know you've got I know he told you that.
Speaker 1: I know you're a massive fan of the Orge Fanta.
Speaker 1: I know it's a it's a little secret that's now
Speaker 1: in the public. Everyone he does, he does like his
Speaker 1: sweet his sweet Drakes.
Speaker 2: That's cougas right.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to release my I'm not releasing who
Speaker 1: told me. I'm just saying I've got a little inside
Speaker 1: and further you might like an orange fanc brother.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, can I open this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not mine? Man, oh man, you enjoyed that. Cheers,
Speaker 1: bro cheers. Good to have you on anyway, Man, Well,
Speaker 1: I love this great start. Absolutely Elk started tries to move.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows about your family, obviously massive support. I've got
Speaker 1: some amazing family. You do too, obviously everyone's seen it.
Speaker 1: And kind of your rise to fame everything else. Man,
Speaker 1: can you give me a bit of a background. Obviously
Speaker 1: you moved away from Sudan, You've come here and like
Speaker 1: we'll get into a bit of the background. But my
Speaker 1: really interesting want to get into you is kind of
Speaker 1: the image of you being from Sudan and like being
Speaker 1: the representation of the Sudanese community and also talk about
Speaker 1: your religion everything else that comes with, because I think
Speaker 1: that is so so important today here in Australia's people
Speaker 1: not don't quite understand and just maybe don't have the
Speaker 1: information or haven't seeked out the information to quite understand
Speaker 1: where people come from and their kind of culture and
Speaker 1: everything else. So give me a little bit of background
Speaker 1: where you Obviously we talk about where you're from, but
Speaker 1: like kind of what my life was like, you know,
Speaker 1: moving from place to place, from Perth over to the
Speaker 1: Queensland and start Queensland and the Perth and from Sudan
Speaker 1: over there. Give me a bit of background.
Speaker 2: I started probably with family and I mean everyone, so
Speaker 2: in Tokyo, the family getting around it and they fell
Speaker 2: in love with the family, fell in love with the
Speaker 2: whole story. But the reason we're that close is because
Speaker 2: I guess you just said it will move from sit
Speaker 2: Down to Egypt, Egypt to Tumber two Timber to Perth,
Speaker 2: and the only consistent thing through all that journey is
Speaker 2: like the people you're kind of moving around with, and
Speaker 2: those are the guys in the living room and a
Speaker 2: few other How.
Speaker 1: Many are there? I've got four brothers, four brothers.
Speaker 2: So pretty competitive, and then I've got a sister.
Speaker 1: Were you the best I thought of the four? No?
Speaker 1: Actually no, I was dead. You were not even second
Speaker 1: on the pecking order.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Wow, if you asked that question, you're like, nah, brothers,
Speaker 1: and shit, it's all me, It's all me, baby, But it.
Speaker 2: Made me change so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, older brothers.
Speaker 2: My younger brother, the youngest one is probably the most
Speaker 2: athletically talented. Oh he could play footy?
Speaker 1: Is it how old he now?
Speaker 2: He's twenty now, but he ain't playing in his Oh come.
Speaker 1: On, man, I started twenty three, Still got a chance,
Speaker 1: still got even none than that, Still got some little
Speaker 1: I kick stuff sorted out. Brother.
Speaker 2: He's always doing well at anything, you know, basketball, He's
Speaker 2: killing high jump like this dude is physic kicking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one eighty five and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: One eighty five.
Speaker 2: Like at school, I jumped like one eighty and this
Speaker 2: dude was jumping like one eighty five and he couldn't
Speaker 2: even so you got him. Uh, he's probably second best.
Speaker 2: But my younger brother could do everything. Like yeah, bigger
Speaker 2: all around athletes. And I'm sad to say I'm the
Speaker 2: shortest at times.
Speaker 1: So you're the shortest taller too, man, So yeah, high complex.
Speaker 1: So you just roll around. You just kind of like
Speaker 1: feel like the little brother of everyone. I love that
Speaker 1: I'm like the little brother. But I'm the tallest of
Speaker 1: the three, so then I kind of feel like I
Speaker 1: have something over them, you know. Yeah, yeah, you played
Speaker 1: a bit of basketball growing up. Now you played that
Speaker 1: out in Perth and then that was kind of like
Speaker 1: the sport you got into before. And you're an NBA fan.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming massive NBA Lakers, massive Lakers fan, and you
Speaker 1: know KB fan until Lakers game never been not yet yeah,
Speaker 1: not yet. Yeah, I mean I might know a connect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I might know. Connect, Bro, I know you
Speaker 1: can make it happen. I'll try my best. So you
Speaker 1: play a bit about that. What was that like?
Speaker 2: Ball was fun, man, because it was like a team sport.
Speaker 2: So and I went to school and I went to
Speaker 2: school on scholarships. So playing basketball, you just play with
Speaker 2: your friends. You you can trash talking ball like running,
Speaker 2: you don't even trash talk. Trash talk, well, what are
Speaker 2: you going to do, like in the middle of a race,
Speaker 2: say to someone something. You probably run out of bath
Speaker 2: as soon as I' on the MA looking to probably
Speaker 2: only time trash talk. Basket is longer and you can
Speaker 2: just it's just yeah, and you play with the boys
Speaker 2: and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Still play it like a little bit here and there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I still shoot around just around Richmond.
Speaker 1: Actually, you should be telling people where were left, mate,
Speaker 1: right at the moment. No, okay, So so you like
Speaker 1: the bass aspect, you like kind of like the team
Speaker 1: sport and everything else. Right, So whenever you moved to running,
Speaker 1: was that something you had to get used to? Is
Speaker 1: like just this mentality because I've talked about previously, it's
Speaker 1: like kind of tennis and running and all these kind
Speaker 1: of individual sports, and the mentality that has to come
Speaker 1: with it in the confidence you have to instill in
Speaker 1: yourself and everything else is totally different from any other sport.
Speaker 1: And I feel like sometimes that's almost the hardest hurt
Speaker 1: all to get past. Yeah, Like, how is that like mentality?
Speaker 1: Like do you go in and you just kind of
Speaker 1: I feel like you're pretty laid back dude, man, Like
Speaker 1: you good vibes, you're happy.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like a day back to the
Speaker 2: point that when I first started running, man, I used
Speaker 2: to because you have to do little athletics and you
Speaker 2: have to do like a combination of like six different events. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I used to just jump the fence and go home.
Speaker 2: What I did not like waiting that long, so you
Speaker 2: got to be there all day time. I was like, nah,
Speaker 2: I'm not coming, and then I just decided to do
Speaker 2: seniors instead, which you can rock up the race and
Speaker 2: then go home. Yeah, so I didn't do athletics. I
Speaker 2: went straight to senior athletics because you could just go
Speaker 2: a race.
Speaker 1: Yeah and be done and they're like, yeah, I've done behind,
Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 2: Like training is so hard, like just running laps and
Speaker 2: laps and last.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you kind of like do you do you
Speaker 1: put in headphones and you like train or like do
Speaker 1: you are you just in your own head just in
Speaker 1: your I don't like people that swim, you know, you
Speaker 1: go into this like swimming motion and like you kind
Speaker 1: of keep going back and forth and you just you
Speaker 1: kind of come this like flow stage. Just think about
Speaker 1: other things. You're not even like like I've seen you running,
Speaker 1: like you ran past my house the other day. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm seriously this man floats on air like it doesn't
Speaker 1: even look like he's touching the ground like me. It
Speaker 1: is like every steps like bang sang bang, like it
Speaker 1: looks just absolutely dreadful. Where you just like I don't know,
Speaker 1: you just float man, like you just look like a runner,
Speaker 1: like just natural.
Speaker 2: When I first started running, I had back. Everything was
Speaker 2: really terrible.
Speaker 1: So you've had to fix the posture and everything that
Speaker 1: training and shout out to what's the what's the coach
Speaker 1: shout out to him, just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so so he's slept on that.
Speaker 1: Change everything up in that sense, and like, have you
Speaker 1: noticed like a big difference in your times once you
Speaker 1: actually change that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was improving quick.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like this speak because I remember I
Speaker 1: first started playing football. It's like this massive curve, like
Speaker 1: you hit this, you get the proper teaching. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you hit this massive like kind of curve and somewhat
Speaker 1: like kind of doesn't like go as steep, but you're
Speaker 1: still getting every day by day.
Speaker 2: Well, now it's been you know what, eleven years since
Speaker 2: I started running, and when I first my first race
Speaker 2: was like two or five and I run one four.
Speaker 2: It's just like form escalator. And like in the first
Speaker 2: five years, my first training team was the Olympic team,
Speaker 2: so like it's crazy just rocking up to an international event,
Speaker 2: the Olympic team and you're used to running like school
Speaker 2: carnivals before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like then when you looked at was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm like training next to this dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it was crazy.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was at the Games and and bro, you see
Speaker 2: everyone I saw the same bold Us, Oh really, Tony Parker,
Speaker 2: Paddy Mills. I saw all those athletes, and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: you know. The funny thing is I was more. I
Speaker 2: knew more to Baskets than the Runners. I don't even
Speaker 2: know who was running aginst because I was so new,
Speaker 2: But I knew all the basketball players and I wanted
Speaker 2: to meet them.
Speaker 1: But the Runners, I had no idea who they were.
Speaker 1: Got to the Yeah, yeah, they know you now early
Speaker 1: days like just kid again.
Speaker 2: I got photos everything sound hello, you know, took advantage
Speaker 2: of everything, and.
Speaker 1: Now you're returning the favorite. Patty Mills is like, yo,
Speaker 1: na come over, man, my kids love you.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I still go.
Speaker 1: Patty Mill is one of the realst dude I met
Speaker 1: in the Games. Such a good fellow.
Speaker 2: He stayed the same from the first Games I met
Speaker 2: him till Tokyo like five years later. So it's pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And to the Olympics side, man, do you have any
Speaker 1: kind of memorabilia from the Olympics, like if I went
Speaker 1: to the Olympics, man, like just the kid is cool, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's unique, like no one else in the world
Speaker 1: has it, right, yeah, like this kid's sick. And then
Speaker 1: like people get like the tattoos of the Olympic rings
Speaker 1: or anything else, like is there anything that like is
Speaker 1: stuck with you and you like take that as like
Speaker 1: a memento from the Olympics. But yeah, when you've been
Speaker 1: to two, so like from both, you know, and they're
Speaker 1: very different experiences, like from Rio to Tokyo.
Speaker 2: Probably the stories, especially from the first one, like like
Speaker 2: I remember how excited I was and this fort psychologists
Speaker 2: told me like just try to stay calm, conserve your energy,
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, man, I'm laid back.
Speaker 1: I can do that.
Speaker 2: And then you get to Olympics and you see like
Speaker 2: play Thompson and you see the same ball, and then
Speaker 2: you see like food is free of the Olympic Games,
Speaker 2: and you could go to the food court whenever you want.
Speaker 2: You could wake up at two am and just go there.
Speaker 2: McDonald's is free there. I'll tell this story quite a bit,
Speaker 2: but I've got three haircuts because it's.
Speaker 1: Free everything, Like the NBA bubbles, like virus like the
Speaker 1: number one thing they wanted.
Speaker 2: So like you remember all those stories and then you
Speaker 2: go to Tokyo although it was like COVID and you
Speaker 2: see like how much growth through it and that I
Speaker 2: didn't get no tattoos or anything like that, but I
Speaker 2: remember those stories and first before you met, and I
Speaker 2: think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: What's the Olympic village?
Speaker 2: Like wild Tokyo?
Speaker 1: Rio?
Speaker 2: It's more wild than Turkyo because of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you be lockdown, like what's it? What's it?
Speaker 1: Give us a bit of an idea, Like you walk
Speaker 1: into the villages, they're like just a cafe that's like
Speaker 1: anything and everything you want, like food, what's it like? People?
Speaker 2: Is it all spurated like small city? You got buses running,
Speaker 2: you've got food courts, and you got like countries everywhere.
Speaker 1: So you go, we'll talk about Rio because Tokyo was
Speaker 1: its own thing, like obviously with covered but like real
Speaker 1: is what everyone would and mixed.
Speaker 2: So you've got all the buildings and then at the
Speaker 2: end the parties, you can just decide to choose over
Speaker 2: a party you wanted to go to. So if you
Speaker 2: want to go South American party, American America.
Speaker 1: Brazil, is good. Brazil, they do it right, do it right.
Speaker 1: And then in Jamaica, Jamaica would be so those guys
Speaker 1: are just those units and any Caribbeans they're just crazy,
Speaker 1: just like, hey man, there's my time, is sharm and
Speaker 1: enjoy my life? Like this is it? Yeah? So that
Speaker 1: was fun. Man. So there's any like so we go
Speaker 1: to the Olympic village. But I'm so interested in this.
Speaker 1: I always wanted to go, and I always want Like
Speaker 1: I don't care if I'm a water boy, like hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: next time is young man, Like if you need a
Speaker 1: water guy, I'll come all the way out for you, man,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. But there's like just so much
Speaker 1: like I guess stuff that happens, and like people are
Speaker 1: mix into different things and like because you obviously you
Speaker 1: know you do the world, like sprints are like running
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. Like you would have
Speaker 1: friends from other countries already that you probably see there,
Speaker 1: and that would kind of be like a someone of
Speaker 1: a reunion, you know, of like being able to see
Speaker 1: people you know actually rather than just random athletes from
Speaker 1: all over.
Speaker 2: Well not the first Olympics, so I didn't know anyone,
Speaker 2: but the second Olympics, Like the first one, I made
Speaker 2: so many friends. And then like every year I finished
Speaker 2: my European season, I decided to go on holiday on
Speaker 2: one of my friend's hometowns. Like one time I went
Speaker 2: to Luxembourg. Like, man, I don't even know what Luxembourg
Speaker 2: was into. Yeah, this dude I raced with he was
Speaker 2: from Luxembourg and we just went to Luxembourg for a
Speaker 2: week and we spent there the best time I had
Speaker 2: And I didn't even know Luxembourg city existed. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: it was just amazing, you know. And then Paris. I've
Speaker 2: got a good friend from Paris and he's he's crazy.
Speaker 2: He's like he just gets after it and always go
Speaker 2: to Paris or France spend time with him. So it's coool,
Speaker 2: Like whenever you visited those cities, you actually have people
Speaker 2: you know nice like that it's the best place.
Speaker 1: You've been because now I feel like you've probably traveled
Speaker 1: a bit of the world. Man, Like you've seen a
Speaker 1: bit of the world. You've been, you've moved out of
Speaker 1: the most isolated city in the world, Perth. You broadened
Speaker 1: your horizons, so you have spread your wings around the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite place you've been to. We've got a
Speaker 1: favorite experience. Place you've been to for an experience. It's
Speaker 1: a favorite place you've seen from like just you know,
Speaker 1: like nature, such city, all that kind of stuff. Oh,
Speaker 1: because it's all about who you go with. I feel
Speaker 1: like and make the experience. People make the experience.
Speaker 2: Man, Barcelona because when because when you go to Barcelona,
Speaker 2: it's completely season off. Those guys know how to enjoy
Speaker 2: their time.
Speaker 1: They're like last round blast. Yeah, like some of the
Speaker 1: back streets.
Speaker 2: Different parties, different food, and you're out laid less. And
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful city too, so if you wanted to
Speaker 2: do sight seeing and whatnot. So I think Barcelona is
Speaker 2: probably my favorite. And they're completely opposite to that. I
Speaker 2: love South Africa. Went to South Africa and we went
Speaker 2: we went on a run one time and we start
Speaker 2: seeing zebras, start seeing animals running behind us.
Speaker 1: Zebras. You said zebras. Yeah, you said Zebras and Zebras. Man,
Speaker 1: you become an American, Like, what's going on? I've been
Speaker 1: waiting for someone else to that for seven years. Amazed.
Speaker 1: Here Oh okay, so we're in South a South South Africa. Sorry,
Speaker 1: South Africa you're in around Johanna's beautiful. Man. I wanted
Speaker 1: to go there for the World Cup. You got a
Speaker 1: Kruger National Park, No, we do. Man Far Place is
Speaker 1: just next I haven't been there. My friend who live
Speaker 1: around the corner from me, he's been trying to get
Speaker 1: me there for about twenty years and it's next level man,
Speaker 1: like you just would Oh. Some of the stories he
Speaker 1: has just insane, just like the lines out the back door.
Speaker 1: Just like different world, man, just a different world. But
Speaker 1: we love it, we love it. We'll go into a
Speaker 1: bit of you personally. I want to talk into We've
Speaker 1: we've had a little bit off track. We've gone through
Speaker 1: a few different things. You're enjoying your fanta, fanta fanta,
Speaker 1: whatever you call it nowadays. Now your religion. I think
Speaker 1: this is so important for people now because I've been
Speaker 1: to an f our dinner do this every single year
Speaker 1: with the US Consulate, and I think it's important for
Speaker 1: people in Australia who sometimes are not necessarily saying they're ignorant,
Speaker 1: but they can learn more about this. Can you give
Speaker 1: us a bit of a background on your religion and
Speaker 1: maybe some of the practices that you kind of do
Speaker 1: on a yearly basis. That's the most important things in
Speaker 1: the in the religion you practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Suddan sods are my parents Muslims born Muslims.
Speaker 1: That's just Muslim. Do you say it? Not Muslim, Muslim?
Speaker 2: Muslim.
Speaker 1: That's the proper way to say. That's the first. And
Speaker 1: we're going to start off the bat for people like Muslim. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's our religion.
Speaker 2: I think, like you said, I think your belief is
Speaker 2: really important, whether you know what Muslim, where're Christian, whether
Speaker 2: whatever you are, whatever you grew up with. So and
Speaker 2: that's what we grew up with. So it's it's pretty strong.
Speaker 2: And of course I've been to he sat dinners. One
Speaker 2: of the best people I know is Basha Huli. He's
Speaker 2: he's a legend, like if you're a great mental and
Speaker 2: and he always emphasized like how important it is to
Speaker 2: be a good person outside the sport. And then and
Speaker 2: then that's kind of like what we believe in. We
Speaker 2: believe in family, we believe in obviously believe in God,
Speaker 2: and I think growing up with that it keeps you,
Speaker 2: it keeps you grounded, especially as an athlete as you
Speaker 2: grow and you develop this as like coming out all
Speaker 2: these new distractions whatever it is. So if you have
Speaker 2: if you have a foundation, like like your religion and
Speaker 2: your belief system and you're pretty strong or your value system,
Speaker 2: it keeps you kind of grounded because then and it
Speaker 2: actually helps me become a better, better person and better
Speaker 2: athletes in general. Now, Ramadan, Ramadan, yep, you do that.
Speaker 2: I'll do that sometimes and then sometimes really hard to
Speaker 2: challenge with running is sometimes it lands, always lands during
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 1: Because Basha would do it during AFL season. Bash is unreal,
Speaker 1: It's next level.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I was like so impressed, but I was like, man,
Speaker 1: how are you even like functioning? Like it's insane. But
Speaker 1: it's like this belief, like you have this belief because
Speaker 1: of the right thing.
Speaker 2: And I've heard him speak and some of the some
Speaker 2: of the best games he's had, fast thing that's crazy,
Speaker 2: Like how much strength is drawing from that? It's it's unreal.
Speaker 1: It's phenomenal. So have you ever done have you ever
Speaker 1: done racing while you're doing Ramadan.
Speaker 2: At the same time, Never raced, But I've done training
Speaker 2: training yepp, And I've honestly trained pretty pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was just like, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: Do you over here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I always try to get to a few,
Speaker 2: especially around Melbourne as that's he's gone on.
Speaker 1: Get you. Yeah, you can get you to the US Consulate.
Speaker 1: We'll get you around. It's a few combinations. Yeah, might
Speaker 1: get that little Los Angeles Lakers connect there. You never know.
Speaker 1: You never know, bro, you never know that. Yeahous know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it. We're gonna take a photo some
Speaker 1: point in our lives at a Lakers facilitate the Staples.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's crypto dot com now I think I think
Speaker 1: they've changed the day of it and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: sitting there with Lebron and being like, hey, yeah, how
Speaker 1: many story? You hang out all the time? Best mates?
Speaker 1: We'll go okay, we'll go back to your family now
Speaker 1: your comfort flood there. You go on to to Boomba.
Speaker 1: How did that happen? How do you get to to
Speaker 1: Woomba of all places?
Speaker 2: And I don't even know what TA was?
Speaker 1: I still do.
Speaker 2: I love people, Actually don't know what is I going
Speaker 2: to explain my story? And then I get to Tumba.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like they're like, oh, where's Turmba?
Speaker 1: How do you end up landing there? Of all places
Speaker 1: like so.
Speaker 2: My dad had family there yea, so we weren't completely
Speaker 2: alone either. So we have family there and that's why
Speaker 2: we're my graded there. And then at the time, I
Speaker 2: think that was two thousand and four, it keeps the
Speaker 2: Sudanes migrating in Australia and heaps someone center to the
Speaker 2: more soup. Sob was full of basically in your.
Speaker 1: Own community there.
Speaker 2: We had to keep the community there cool. And then
Speaker 2: you're stranded by the same community. And then you went
Speaker 2: to school and then you're stranded by Australian community, so
Speaker 2: you kinder kind of never really lost your culture, and
Speaker 2: then you're learning and building a new culture at the
Speaker 2: same time. So it's perfect. That's cool, awesome, and she's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite places.
Speaker 1: You ever listen to country music while you're out there.
Speaker 2: I think so who Nickelback and nickel nickel Back all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: I right, Nickelback, he gets a hard, hard run at it.
Speaker 1: But I think Nickelbacks ain't too bad. Ain't too bad. Now.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say, maybe Garth Brooks or Tim
Speaker 1: McGrath those lines, but nickel Back, if that's as country
Speaker 1: as you get to Woomba has not gained its roots
Speaker 1: too hard into your right those country that I got there,
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I love that Nickelback is a country as
Speaker 1: it gets for you. Oh man, people back home and
Speaker 1: be rolling their grave people in Texas and be like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there's so much to learn. That's gold.
Speaker 1: How do you lead from there to getting to Perth?
Speaker 2: So we spent four years there and then and then
Speaker 2: again we had family move, we had my dad had
Speaker 2: family and in Perth and who was small and was
Speaker 2: actually quite cold in Queensland. Yeah, like really because it
Speaker 2: was high, like it was really.
Speaker 1: Quite high outsud okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And then which well it's not like I had a choice,
Speaker 2: but my family was moving and that's all right.
Speaker 1: And you're young, like you were quite young, so there's
Speaker 1: no I.
Speaker 2: Was like in your eight or something, and then moving
Speaker 2: all the way across the other side of I couldn't
Speaker 2: think of anything worse at the time, because you just
Speaker 2: moved to this just my friends, and you learned English
Speaker 2: and you made your friends and you had to.
Speaker 1: Learn English in Australia, yeah far out.
Speaker 2: And then you're just moving to another place after four years.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, all the connections you've built, all
Speaker 2: the people you've met. Yeah, it felt terrible there, but
Speaker 2: then now look at us, like the best thing that
Speaker 2: happened because of where you are right now.
Speaker 1: You still speak to languages fluently.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm losing You're losing it. I'm losing it.
Speaker 1: Do you speak English to your family though I speak Arabic? Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I speak arab to my mum. I love that. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's important to keep.
Speaker 2: I've been in Melbourne for six years. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 2: not going to use it very often as often. But
Speaker 2: the funny thing is I use it more overseas really, yeah,
Speaker 2: because like Arabic spoken, there's so many Syrians overseas. True,
Speaker 2: you know, Averic spoken everywhere Algerians.
Speaker 1: So you get back over there and it's like kind
Speaker 1: of refresher of the language and like he's talking to people.
Speaker 2: But he's the guitari friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I get to practice a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but not as fluent as I used to be, for sure.
Speaker 1: It's impressive. Man. I know, like minimal Spanish and I
Speaker 1: try to pour it out any chance. I get goosemas
Speaker 1: and girls and I'm like, oh go, like what it's
Speaker 1: like want to speak Spanish that works here?
Speaker 2: Do you speak any other language?
Speaker 1: Spanish a little? So I went, I'm from Texas, so
Speaker 1: it's like right next to Mexico, so like obviously Spanish
Speaker 1: has spoken there, so there's a lot of crossover as
Speaker 1: far as cultures there. So there's a there's a lot
Speaker 1: of Spanish speaking people in Texas that's kind of like
Speaker 1: the one that I speak. But no bla moyesvignar, so
Speaker 1: you know, more space than Spish. That's what I got.
Speaker 1: You know, I got little things here and there. I
Speaker 1: can't speak a fluently if I can understand it. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, we'll go to the Sudanese community. Mat now
Speaker 1: you have kind of rose to start them. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about Actually we'll start about this first. So
Speaker 1: rise of starting right, like it's all kind of happened
Speaker 1: very quickly, somewhat right like it's I mean, the last
Speaker 1: eight years life has changed quite a bit. You could say, yeah,
Speaker 1: now how have you handled you know, eyes now upon
Speaker 1: you and like not being able to go out in
Speaker 1: public anymore and like just kind of fitting in all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, Like how was the transition bent?
Speaker 2: I think, to be honest, I think that's why I
Speaker 2: probably like, uh, enjoy overseas a little bit more because
Speaker 2: you kind of just fly under the radar. Yeah, especially
Speaker 2: off season, you just want to do it overseas and
Speaker 2: just find the radar. Uh, the attention, man, I think
Speaker 2: it just comes with the sport.
Speaker 1: It's all part of It's just part of it. You
Speaker 1: can't the job for seven, job through six five, whether
Speaker 1: people realize it or not, Like.
Speaker 2: It just comes with it. So you've got to embrace
Speaker 2: it when you can and and if you.
Speaker 1: But there's good things too. I mean, I know you
Speaker 1: were just recently in September club Ah yeah final my
Speaker 1: girl Delta a little jealous, not gonna lie, I know
Speaker 1: she chunk you. The following socials come on Delta anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course there's a great things to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's positive to it, you know. I mean I got
Speaker 2: a free play session five that's positive. Big gamer, Big gamer,
Speaker 2: what's the best one? So you're a sports gamer? Now
Speaker 2: you do you have like a handle?
Speaker 1: It's public? Or should we just keep this private? Is
Speaker 1: it twitch?
Speaker 2: Is that anyone that wants smoke on FIFA?
Speaker 1: What that smoke? What is it that smoke?
Speaker 2: People? Eight hundred.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're about to get absolutely murdered. You're a
Speaker 1: had to get like what's his name, ninja, like the
Speaker 1: Ninja of like FIFA just hitting me out, like done up.
Speaker 1: So yeah, get one s getting back in. You're giving
Speaker 1: one FIFA and yeah.
Speaker 2: Twenty three is coming out.
Speaker 1: It's huge.
Speaker 2: I don't play two k's much now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I play. I play a bit of FIFA.
Speaker 1: It's so different nowadays. Everything's online everything. So do you
Speaker 1: have like all your mates who play from overseas and
Speaker 1: stuff that I can play online stuff. It's so good.
Speaker 1: It's good. And you get just to keep up with
Speaker 1: everyone through that exactly. Yeah, and you just put your
Speaker 1: microphone on. You're having a chat and you're playing. It's
Speaker 1: like you're almost hanging out even though you're not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: find like kids these days, like I never had that
Speaker 1: weirdly in sixty four and like you got all the
Speaker 1: bikes out play now and nah, I don't know, I've
Speaker 1: I've kind of passed. I've gone past that. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to work an iPhone. Then we'll go
Speaker 1: upgrade from there. Now it's a good go. I'm just
Speaker 1: embarrassing myself now we'll go through a representation. So yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: you come to nowadays where you're very well now and
Speaker 1: around like you very well now, And I think it's
Speaker 1: not because of just your athletic ability to get me wrong,
Speaker 1: that's impressive beyond belief. But I think your personality is
Speaker 1: very like relatable to people. People love people with very
Speaker 1: energy that are very positive. They're very happy in that sense,
Speaker 1: And like, I feel like your energy is very positive energy.
Speaker 1: Like there's certain people that give off that energy and
Speaker 1: you're one of them. Yeah, is that something you just
Speaker 1: always had?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: And but at the same time, like you get disappointed
Speaker 2: after a race and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But I feel like you would go like you if
Speaker 1: you lose a race. Right after the race, you'd be
Speaker 1: like upset, and then a day later you'd be like,
Speaker 1: how an amazing an experience that was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you'd be like what else can you do?
Speaker 2: Like get upset for the whole Yeah, old thing, Like
Speaker 2: the race is already gone. It's not going to change
Speaker 2: anytime soon.
Speaker 1: You just move to the next thing in life, like
Speaker 1: trying to get better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially Like imagine if I was racing in Barcelona,
Speaker 2: for instance, and I had a bad race, Like of
Speaker 2: course you're disappointed for a day, but like, bro, you're
Speaker 2: in Barcelona, so you might check out who.
Speaker 1: Would have guessed from Toowoomba to Barcelona? You know, same
Speaker 1: safe right, same safe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all that and yeah, I think it's just
Speaker 2: again it's a combination of your beliefs, your culture, everything
Speaker 2: consistent that I've kept kept along the way, I've like
Speaker 2: not changed and and that's probably a good way. Like
Speaker 2: you say, have has anything changed? Nothing really changes because
Speaker 2: you've kept the same thing. Like I mean, there's so
Speaker 2: much more attension, but you're still still the same foundations,
Speaker 2: the same the same thing. Things might change here and there,
Speaker 2: but like your family, like rock, religion, everything you can't control,
Speaker 2: like the hype and their tension, you can't really control that,
Speaker 2: but like you can control your foundation and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Did you ever feel the hype like I know, Comwealth Games.
Speaker 1: You recently were there and I was though, you know what,
Speaker 1: I was eating ball and I was absolutely behind. I
Speaker 1: was like this is it?
Speaker 2: I love it because especially you see a lot of
Speaker 2: people I've got a lot of like close friends and
Speaker 2: and they say, man, they're building so much hype. Is
Speaker 2: that creating too much pressure on you said, nah, I
Speaker 2: actually love it because I want to. I want to
Speaker 2: I want to like live up to it and like
Speaker 2: like this is what we're in it for exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I make it. Make it.
Speaker 2: You got to make it mean so much, and and
Speaker 2: that the key is to build like Tokyo as big
Speaker 2: as as a last student credit to credit to Australia,
Speaker 2: like they've been getting around it, you know, Tokyo, Like
Speaker 2: that's probably one of the most memorable fourth Like I
Speaker 2: always said, like I'd hate to come forth because that's.
Speaker 1: Like one one away from a actual material of like
Speaker 1: an actual matter. It was memorable fourth. So and then
Speaker 1: but you, I mean like you know the stats better
Speaker 1: than our world. But I mean like no one had
Speaker 1: ever done that before.
Speaker 2: I feel like, and then it's changing, it's changing the sport,
Speaker 2: like eight hundred meters now people the thing. Now, it's
Speaker 2: a thing thing.
Speaker 1: Like when I was racing, You're the face of like
Speaker 1: track and field. Now I don't want to sit here
Speaker 1: and like pump you up too much day.
Speaker 2: But like you are keep it up.
Speaker 1: Actually I like this. I like this. I like this, No, honestly,
Speaker 1: like you are now the face of it and like
Speaker 1: you've had this amazing experience and some amazing stuff has
Speaker 1: come from it, and it's like, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it is a credit to yourself and the attitude you
Speaker 1: have and like the positivity you give to other people
Speaker 1: and that's why people relate to you and they're like, man,
Speaker 1: I want to see someone do well. I want to
Speaker 1: see someone who's like doing good things for the community
Speaker 1: and who's out there representing things in the right way.
Speaker 1: To be at the top of the game, to be
Speaker 1: representing Australia on a bigger level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's the key. You've got to
Speaker 2: still be at the top of the game because hype,
Speaker 2: hype and attention does not equate to performance at the
Speaker 2: end of the so you still got to get down
Speaker 2: and you get to still get down and train and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So and I created myself probably because we spoke about
Speaker 2: this with my coach and my manager and saying like
Speaker 2: the second year is always the hardest because like after Tokyo,
Speaker 2: you've had such a high, you build up so high
Speaker 2: and now you have expectations, you have expectations, you have pressure.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I love when people say that
Speaker 2: someone like I want to show you like it's no,
Speaker 2: it's not a big deal. And now even like going
Speaker 2: to Paris is year running astraand record, I was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: like I wanted to do that on four forty four flat.
Speaker 2: You got under that one forty four.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: And then and then during the games, man, I was chilled.
Speaker 1: You had that qualifier, that heat, that heat, and you
Speaker 1: were just like cruising, cruising.
Speaker 2: I just felt in shape and like the crowd and
Speaker 2: everything and you just you know, you know, when you're
Speaker 2: playing a really good game and you just like in
Speaker 2: the zone flows out. Yeah, he's just flowing, just be
Speaker 2: on air.
Speaker 1: It's something like I think I wish everyone in the
Speaker 1: world because he experience at least one experience of that
Speaker 1: of just being like, man, everything's everything's working, everything's cranking
Speaker 1: the right way, like everything's going well, like just perfection.
Speaker 1: That is like bliss.
Speaker 2: During those races in Tokyo, That's how I felt, And
Speaker 2: like even I was slowing down at the end for
Speaker 2: the heats and the semis and you're just feeling effortless.
Speaker 2: And once you can get to that, if you can
Speaker 2: do the keys to try to learn to do that repeatively, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not a fluken En. I've proven I can do
Speaker 2: it every time, so should And when I get when
Speaker 2: I get on the line, I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 2: you've done the work, You're ready done the work. I'm
Speaker 2: not worried about anyone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't ask you. Whenever you run a race, right,
Speaker 1: describe the perfect race? Now. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that know what running is, but like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of meticulous things that happen whenever you go
Speaker 1: into a ryan, Like is it the most important thing?
Speaker 1: Off the blocks? This is the most important thing, like
Speaker 1: kind of maybe trailing someone, getting a little bit of
Speaker 1: like draft off someone. Then like in last hundred, going like,
Speaker 1: what's the perfect like race for you?
Speaker 2: Firstly body language and then body language? Body language? You
Speaker 2: can literally the races of race bad and the races
Speaker 2: of rest good. You could see it from the start
Speaker 2: line just from really language.
Speaker 1: Can you see other people's body language? Two? And being like,
Speaker 1: I mean it's.
Speaker 2: Head literally in Tokyo. And this is might contradict because
Speaker 2: everyone says you're so humble, but I was literally in
Speaker 2: Tokyo on the court room, and I'm like, nah, that
Speaker 2: dude is not going to perform today that d because
Speaker 2: you just see body language. You see you're getting nervous,
Speaker 2: and because it means so much so and I was
Speaker 2: just chilled the whole time and I was just ready
Speaker 2: to go. So body language and then you know that
Speaker 2: first two hundred is pretty important. You get out hard
Speaker 2: and you just kind of look around.
Speaker 1: Would you pace in the first two hundred be faster
Speaker 1: than like the rest of the six hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you try the first two hundred should be.
Speaker 1: About you're trying to get to the front of the
Speaker 1: pack kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Trying to get top three. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 2: at the front, but I'm trying to slot in behind
Speaker 2: the leader. I'm not trying to be at the backpack either.
Speaker 1: But if someone's running to would you know if someone's
Speaker 1: like running two or three seconds quicker than they should be? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, if you're twenty four seconds, it's pretty relaxed. But
Speaker 2: if you're running fast on that and then you're stretching
Speaker 2: and you're letting it on out whatever twenty two second
Speaker 2: but no one really does that. And then you can
Speaker 2: kind of see you see the clock. You just look
Speaker 2: on your left and you can.
Speaker 1: See the clocks all around the stage two.
Speaker 2: Hundred and then the clock at a four hundred, and
Speaker 2: you see it. And when when I see like when
Speaker 2: I'm slotting in on top three, yeah, I'm just chilling.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to switch off.
Speaker 2: And then the three hundred, that's when it's time to go.
Speaker 2: And when I when you kind of go out, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've got this race. You kind of know if you've
Speaker 2: got the race or.
Speaker 1: Not before like within four hundred meters you record, you know,
Speaker 1: whether three hundred meters I know, wow, within three hundred
Speaker 1: meters I definitely know, yeah, wow, three hundred meters in
Speaker 1: You're like, I know where I'm gonna landing one of these,
Speaker 1: looking around and like your head back. Then you're kind
Speaker 1: of not gonna na when when you kind of just
Speaker 1: go yeah, you know. So you get the three hundred,
Speaker 1: you know, confidence that was probably pretty high. You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm about to dominate this.
Speaker 2: Even when I broke to a stone record, I was
Speaker 2: sitting on the back, back, but I was like and
Speaker 2: at three hundred, yeah, I was sitting on the back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I came back, but I knew I had heaps
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone else you gonna blow up and you're
Speaker 1: just gonna go right past me.
Speaker 2: I've got second, but I had to go through everyone,
Speaker 2: but I knew I was going to run a pretty
Speaker 2: good time.
Speaker 1: This is interesting. So whenever you get to like, so
Speaker 1: you got three hundred, right, you know exactly who's gonna win. Now,
Speaker 1: what's your game plan past three hundred you get to
Speaker 1: the four hundred mark, you've done a full lap, full
Speaker 1: lat yeah, four hundred meters. Yeah, so it's a back
Speaker 1: to the starting spot. Yeah, and you've gone, okay, I
Speaker 1: know kind of where I sit. I'm looking to try
Speaker 1: to be in the top three. Yeah, and then do
Speaker 1: you kind of pick your pace up from there or
Speaker 1: do you don't want to get bot in?
Speaker 2: That coming from four to five is probably the most
Speaker 2: important one because everyone's trying to come out wide and
Speaker 2: trying to.
Speaker 1: Get from the curve. So you're going to the next
Speaker 1: straight away, yeah, I gotcha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to be I'd never stay like on
Speaker 2: the rails, which is on the insight, and stay a
Speaker 2: little bit on the side and I kind of look back.
Speaker 2: I look a lot because if you kind of someone
Speaker 2: comes cuts you out, and then they will cuts you
Speaker 2: out then you're stuck on the rails.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so yeah, you ever got run into the
Speaker 1: rails like push off the like off the track into
Speaker 1: like now I've never been in that. That happened to
Speaker 1: me in high school all the time. I was like
Speaker 1: just like and there was gutters next to it, so
Speaker 1: like twist nakeles, like just Spike's going into like great grat.
Speaker 2: That's the key straight away?
Speaker 1: Is it? Really?
Speaker 2: That's they Wow?
Speaker 1: Even if someone like kind of like maneuvers you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can protest, but that's the key.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that it's counted as you're running less
Speaker 2: because you're there.
Speaker 1: Because you're on the inside. Even if it is like
Speaker 1: and this hundreds straight, Okay, so you get to you
Speaker 1: get to five hundred, you finished the straight. Now you're
Speaker 1: going on to the next curve. Yeah, once your mentality
Speaker 1: that you're going I need to be top three at
Speaker 1: this point, yeah, definitely, and form form form and just
Speaker 1: stay relax. Do you feel like your left side is
Speaker 1: a bit stronger because you like kind of taking left turns.
Speaker 2: You guys, sure, yeah, because they're always running. Like it's
Speaker 2: funny you ask that because when you get treatment one
Speaker 2: side always is more tighter than yeah, because you're always
Speaker 2: running there.
Speaker 1: It makes sense it'd be good to have like a
Speaker 1: longer right leg that we've got the idea of Barty.
Speaker 1: You know, I want two inches lax on my left leg. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you get it. So you get the five hundred,
Speaker 1: you get to six hundred, round that curve, your top three.
Speaker 1: Now you you got two hundred meters left. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: what's you now? You're on the last straight away?
Speaker 2: No, sorry, so you got about two hundred to go.
Speaker 2: So with two fifty, I usually try to make a
Speaker 2: move and get to the front.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when I come to the bend, I'm I'm pretty
Speaker 2: strong if I'm holding the lead, So I try to
Speaker 2: get on the lead before the last hundred.
Speaker 1: So you're trying to get on the bend. You're trying
Speaker 1: to be in the lead coming to the last hundred.
Speaker 2: Without swinging out too wide. Yeah okay, and then you
Speaker 2: just kind of sting control.
Speaker 1: And is it strategic like whenever on the bins to
Speaker 1: take over people or to do it on the straightaways?
Speaker 2: A nice cheegy command.
Speaker 1: So would you rather you'd rather do it on the
Speaker 1: bind than the straightaways?
Speaker 2: You'd rather do in the band if if it means
Speaker 2: you don't have to go out too wide. Okay, So
Speaker 2: that's why being top threes better. But if you have
Speaker 2: the back, everyone's trying to go out wide. Yeah, now
Speaker 2: you got to you gotta kind of wait to go
Speaker 2: back and then you're running. You're running so much more distance.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, so runs more distance and you get to.
Speaker 1: Seven hundred meters, you're in the lead. Yeah, how are
Speaker 1: you feeling? You go on four boys with Tokyo final.
Speaker 1: I was in the lead, but I was cooked. Yeah okay,
Speaker 1: because I was leading that you just spend too much
Speaker 1: energy like trying to get past people on the other bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I was leading the race. It's never
Speaker 2: helps to kind of sometimes lead a race to It
Speaker 2: was a slow race and these guys are ready to go.
Speaker 2: But in like the semi and the heat, I was
Speaker 2: like I was kicking out. So I was I was
Speaker 2: in like third place and I was coming coming. So
Speaker 2: when I got on the front, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I got this in the heat. All second, I'll slow
Speaker 2: down because you only need to come top three.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: But it was a strand record, and then I think
Speaker 2: that that's what build the hypes like it's a.
Speaker 1: Massive deal man. Yeah, congrats to you. That's that's pretty
Speaker 1: cool to be like, yeah, I've cut the record in
Speaker 1: Australia and I think it's Australia Oceanic. I'm saying that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can tack on a few countries and there
Speaker 1: a few countries in there, so okay, So do you
Speaker 1: believe on as because I'm so interested in the little
Speaker 1: meticulous things that happen in running, right, like because a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand that, like whenever they think, oh,
Speaker 1: it just runs one hundred meters and the fast gut
Speaker 1: went and it's like, no, there's a certain like game
Speaker 1: plan whenever you go into something like.
Speaker 2: It's not everything else, especially championship is not necessarily always
Speaker 2: the fastest guys win. So at the Olympics, the guy
Speaker 2: the fastest gut in the field almost going to make
Speaker 2: the final, and then the I think he came he
Speaker 2: came last. So wow, because so much, so much of
Speaker 2: the Olympic finals about composure, your focus, because when you
Speaker 2: get to a final, like in our sport, there's only
Speaker 2: forty eight people that can run eight hundred meters. Of
Speaker 2: the Olympics and then gets cut down to eight people
Speaker 2: in the final. So that's eight people best in the world.
Speaker 2: So everyone's fit there, everyone's got the same kind of training.
Speaker 2: It's like, what differentiates between the top three and the
Speaker 2: guys at the back is who can put it together?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who can put it together? Day? Now?
Speaker 2: Who's the fastest. It's not like if you're faster, you
Speaker 2: got an advantage, obviously, but like if you're if you're
Speaker 2: the fastest and your panicking and you're shaking at the
Speaker 2: start line, you're going to perform.
Speaker 1: Its height a good thing. Like if you're toller, can
Speaker 1: could I run a faster eight hundred? I'm told, what
Speaker 1: do you reckon? I? Eight hundred?
Speaker 2: We might actually have to test that out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. Three K time, child is not
Speaker 1: good there. I'm telling you, I'm always the back of
Speaker 1: the pack whenever cups day one of pre seasons not beautiful.
Speaker 1: Three K time trial would be like no, sorry, two
Speaker 1: K time Charles like seven, I think seven seven five
Speaker 1: on a good day. Good day, say look, come back
Speaker 1: from all season. If you end up behind me in
Speaker 1: the two k tom Chow, you got a bit of
Speaker 1: work to do, my brother, you got a bit.
Speaker 2: Of work to just set out we should do a relay, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know. You should do it on you and Nathan.
Speaker 2: So you go round four.
Speaker 1: Four each. You're a long over my ass. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: you run a four hundred, yeah, and then I'll do
Speaker 1: four hundred. He does four hundred. You do it, and
Speaker 1: I don eight. You would still murder us, man, you guys,
Speaker 1: you would kill us. Third one forty four. I don't
Speaker 1: even think I could run a lot about forty four brus.
Speaker 2: Not thing you guys.
Speaker 1: One for I'm injured at the moment, so this might
Speaker 1: have to hold off.
Speaker 2: For you guys obviously want to be one forty four shapes.
Speaker 2: So one fifty two seconds. So you and Nathan, if
Speaker 2: you guys both have rea shifted.
Speaker 1: That's a dead sprint for me. That is a dead
Speaker 1: sprint for four hundred meters. From me, I'm more of
Speaker 1: like a ten meters kind of sprint.
Speaker 2: God, not really, well so much. You're running a four
Speaker 2: hundred and like sixty seconds.
Speaker 1: Probably only good day ran for a very long time.
Speaker 2: All right, quite interesting?
Speaker 1: Oh no, No, I feel like I'll the top end
Speaker 1: of this. I'll be on the worst end of the
Speaker 1: spectrum as far as it goes to speed, So so
Speaker 1: height doesn't actually help.
Speaker 2: No, it helps. I think there is there like like
Speaker 2: is there.
Speaker 1: A bucketn't swimming? There's like a perfect body for like swimming,
Speaker 1: you know, like the tall big short like big shoulders,
Speaker 1: everything is there like a running Like now to me,
Speaker 1: that's best runers not quite tall? So what record? Like,
Speaker 1: what's what's what's the average hype for an eight?
Speaker 2: Oh, they're all differentiated, but that's maybe six foot six
Speaker 2: foot okay, yeah, there's they're getting quite tall these days. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm probably in that in that final in Tokyo. I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's only probably two people shorter than me.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, wow, Okay, I might have a chance here.
Speaker 1: You real to me in here like that?
Speaker 2: There's no seven food guys there either break I break
Speaker 2: that barrier.
Speaker 1: Fot y. I want where's the next?
Speaker 2: Where's the Olympics Paris?
Speaker 1: Paris? I'm common It's I think probably better at maybe
Speaker 1: like lawn bowls or something. I'm not sure if that's
Speaker 1: what reached the Olympic sports outside of the Commonwealth.
Speaker 2: A chance.
Speaker 1: I think you really popped me up here for I
Speaker 1: think you've got me be just by just apparently just fairly, ma,
Speaker 1: just fairly Okay, Well we'll go into Olympics. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about this because I love the Olympics. Olympics
Speaker 1: obviously massive now mentality, the Olympics is your grand final,
Speaker 1: like and it happens every four years, so like you
Speaker 1: have four years of just prepping, prepp and prepping to
Speaker 1: do these things. I'm sure you've been asked this a
Speaker 1: million times, don't get me wrong, but like it's so
Speaker 1: interesting because I don't feel like there's anything else in
Speaker 1: the world. You only get to be on that big
Speaker 1: stage every four years, and there is a world you know,
Speaker 1: two years in between that and all that, but that
Speaker 1: is all eyes on you from like across the world. Now,
Speaker 1: how is that feeling representing a whole country? Like I
Speaker 1: want to get Julie Bishop on here because she was
Speaker 1: a foreign minister and she represented the country from like
Speaker 1: a political standpoint, Like how cool is it to be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm wearing the green and gold, Like I'm representing my country.
Speaker 1: Is one of the best that's doing this.
Speaker 2: Like the first game you'll always remember is just like
Speaker 2: just like the moist powerful experience you have one you
Speaker 2: get the uniform and you're just like super excited, like
Speaker 2: clipping through all those uniforms, shining as much as possible too.
Speaker 2: And then you actually get there, you're like shit, like
Speaker 2: we're here like presenting.
Speaker 1: It happening, like this is like life goals is happening.
Speaker 2: And three like the pressures and the nerves behind it's
Speaker 2: like we're representing a country. That means there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people watching. Yeah, ah, and then it's like, man,
Speaker 2: it's just the greatest experience ever, especially because like we're
Speaker 2: spoken about background and was spoking about culture. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: and like you recently became a citizen, so like I
Speaker 2: became a citizen uh what eighteen or sixteen years ago?
Speaker 2: And the seniors on you're like representing a country in
Speaker 2: your fourth in the world.
Speaker 1: Just how does that work? Because if you're from somewhere
Speaker 1: else where, you can represent a different county in the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Correct, No, No, you have to be a citizen of
Speaker 2: that country.
Speaker 1: So you have to be a cistan once. Your sistant,
Speaker 1: So I'm a dual says and Usk in Australia. Can
Speaker 1: I just pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can pick, so I.
Speaker 1: Could be like I could be the best what's a
Speaker 1: ridiculous sport on you peak?
Speaker 2: You can't change for another two years?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, so did you have to? I guess like
Speaker 1: technically you would become so earlier you would always been.
Speaker 2: I don't have any other citizenship really citizen. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and I became a strengths citizen in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: I've been yeah. Yeah, you feel like proper USh. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So you go and you represent your country, you get
Speaker 1: the you rip out okay, let's you know, you rip
Speaker 1: out your what's your brand? As you rip out the
Speaker 1: added as stuff, you know, you get all brand new stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like because you are on the
Speaker 1: world stage, like it's kind of you know, like everyone
Speaker 1: is now looking at you, and you got this opportunity
Speaker 1: to kind of not only from personal personals perspective, from
Speaker 1: a brand's perspective. You get all their fresh gear, which
Speaker 1: is like cool, man, I was so good. You rip
Speaker 1: through that and you have this hype and then you
Speaker 1: get to your fly in. Let's let's talk about Rio
Speaker 1: you're flying to. You get into Olympic village, you finally
Speaker 1: get settled, like are you sleeping well? Like I feel
Speaker 1: like I would just be I'd be like just ready, like, man,
Speaker 1: this is this is life goals man, Like I'm living,
Speaker 1: man living, like yeah, you're.
Speaker 2: Literally living until the night before I raise, and then
Speaker 2: you're sitting there shitting yourself up until then. Like I
Speaker 2: still remember rio I wake up, I'd say four am,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't really sleep get back to sleep.
Speaker 1: I was like that grandfather. Yeah, it's tough man. You're
Speaker 1: just thinking of every everything that might happen, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so unexperienced and everything. But then fast forward
Speaker 2: to like Tokyo. I had to put an alarm for
Speaker 2: my head, like.
Speaker 1: I was really just cruising cruise yeah yeah, but back then, man,
Speaker 1: I was shooting myself. Yeah before I think, and I
Speaker 1: was not sleeping. Well, did you like I know real
Speaker 1: was whenever boat? Yeah? One? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah?
Speaker 1: What was Did you watch that live? Yeah? I got
Speaker 1: to Was that like a big inspiration for you?
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, more so, I think there was
Speaker 2: the four hundred record world record was broken there too.
Speaker 2: You just get to see these amazing.
Speaker 1: They break the eight hundred record hundred uh oh gosh,
Speaker 1: relay is that I can't.
Speaker 2: I thought it was the four hundred that was probably
Speaker 2: broken there and you just get to see them like, wow.
Speaker 1: Just crazy, it's crazy these that was like that Olympics.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a broad track and field
Speaker 1: on a real like real next stage kind of thing,
Speaker 1: you know, like the next level.
Speaker 2: And that is America though, like even not coming back
Speaker 2: from the World Chance for America this year, hands down,
Speaker 2: the best race was probably the four hundred hurdles. The woman, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this Cloughland, she's just dominating. She's she's running like quick,
Speaker 2: like I think she might expose exposed me a four
Speaker 2: hundred flat racer because she had like a split on
Speaker 2: the relay of like forty seven.
Speaker 1: Just quick for girls. Wow, that is moving, insane, that
Speaker 1: is moving and then happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so yeah, you get to watch all that
Speaker 2: and then you're also the good thing is you kind
Speaker 2: of walking around the Olympic village and you got all
Speaker 2: different athletes and you're trying to guess what they do. Obviously,
Speaker 2: all the tour guys are basketball players, but then the
Speaker 2: trick is the other the other athletes is like, man,
Speaker 2: this is actually hard because you've got everyone a different sport.
Speaker 1: You just be looking at it's like a game. It's
Speaker 1: like you know, you go out and you're like, it's
Speaker 1: like I got to the bar every once when I'll
Speaker 1: play this game, you know, like I already does for eleven,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you go up to be like
Speaker 1: get that here you go. It's good. It's like so
Speaker 1: much your job account. So you're doing that, so you
Speaker 1: jump around. So I'm like, what's hypothetically let's think of
Speaker 1: sports here, Like what could be a sport? I can
Speaker 1: maybe become an Olympian at we're trying to break again
Speaker 1: and book a world record on this show. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if someone can throw and get this book a
Speaker 1: world record we can beat. But is there any kind
Speaker 1: of like I feel like like curling maybe something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, like or even it can be it can
Speaker 1: be summer or winter. I know you're a summer man, but.
Speaker 2: From your heart, you gotta be basketball.
Speaker 1: Gotta be basketball. That's my best chance basketball. I'll hit
Speaker 1: up look longla or something. We'll get it onto it now.
Speaker 1: Be The problem is all showing basketball team is actually good.
Speaker 1: Actually gotta gonna be so good in Paris too well,
Speaker 1: they won't be the best, they won't be the best.
Speaker 2: Your citizen now, so I gotta go.
Speaker 1: Fifty to fifty or either way, I think one of
Speaker 1: them is gonna win, So I'm kind of like happy
Speaker 1: either way. But they did break my heart. Bober camisits
Speaker 1: and they came us, came over here in Australia, beat
Speaker 1: them at Marvel Stadium. Yeah, And I've never coppt so
Speaker 1: much ship leaving a stadium, and I've played a lot
Speaker 1: of AFL games, I've never copped it like that. Everyone
Speaker 1: was just talking absolute dribble. But the first time they
Speaker 1: beat them in so long. But it would be huge
Speaker 1: if wins, it would be massive, massive. But like you said,
Speaker 1: the US is yeah, they always kind It's a pure
Speaker 1: numbers game. I always say. Like for Australia though, like
Speaker 1: the amount of people live here, the amount of like
Speaker 1: gold medals and just metal like talies in general is
Speaker 1: beyond anyone else in the world. Like you're talking about swimming,
Speaker 1: and like swimming is insane, Like I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but like here everyone's just a gun swimmer.
Speaker 2: Every everyone lives around ocean.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And another thing is is so competitive. So make an
Speaker 2: Olympic team, you have to be the best of the best. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the best competition is here, So I think that helps
Speaker 2: when you create like a high performance. So like so
Speaker 2: for example, like eight hundred now, so I'm running, so
Speaker 2: if anyone's trying to beat me in Australia, they're going
Speaker 2: to be going to the Olympics. And that's how you,
Speaker 2: like you create that performance high perform stuff and and
Speaker 2: I think assuming they've been doing it for years, so
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone you train with right now that's like
Speaker 1: pushes you because obviously you're at the best. You're the
Speaker 1: best in Australia. Everyone knows that. Is there anyone that
Speaker 1: like you look at and it's coming up, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: he's pushing me to make sure I'm still at my
Speaker 1: best every single time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Joseph Dane for sure. He's Timbre Boys
Speaker 2: or South in his background.
Speaker 1: Almost getting a little bit of a little shout on
Speaker 1: the pod.
Speaker 2: Former Australian record holder. So like it's both of us
Speaker 2: wanting to in which is pretty cool. Story like in
Speaker 2: like in the History of Australia period one and two
Speaker 2: in the in eight hundred and we both moved to
Speaker 2: and four.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've known each other for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've known each other for a long time.
Speaker 1: And see your basketball player.
Speaker 2: He played a bit of ball too. So it's like
Speaker 2: it's quite cool, like I think, especially when you have
Speaker 2: three people can present Australia and then you have two.
Speaker 1: From like Tombo or like very like rare very rare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to like have the fastest people Australian history.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Any any advice for anyone out there
Speaker 1: that's like looking to be Peter Bowl, Yeah, keep training,
Speaker 1: good luck.
Speaker 2: Luck Now come come to a session and then you
Speaker 2: asking me.
Speaker 1: To do a session or someone else, because I think
Speaker 1: I'll make it past like the first five minutes. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't make the warm up of your session. I feel
Speaker 1: like two k warm up, two k jog warm up.
Speaker 2: Man, that is my full effort is two k four
Speaker 2: k four k pace.
Speaker 1: Two k's at four k. So let's say you're running
Speaker 1: a marathon, right, you can run a marathon, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: just because you have your a natural born athlete and
Speaker 1: you run for a living. What would you run a marathon?
Speaker 1: Anythink marathon? Yeah, forty two ks it's a decent track.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you want to I wouldn't want to run
Speaker 1: a marathon ever, not even if you're done.
Speaker 2: That's far because like so one of my hardest sessions
Speaker 2: probably six by K and six six by one clumber
Speaker 2: the reps with it's like yeah, okay, yeah, ninety second
Speaker 2: rest and I'm averaging about three minutes.
Speaker 1: Ok.
Speaker 2: And like the lead elite marathon runners they're doing that NonStop.
Speaker 1: Oh they're nuts. Once in New York City Marathon recently
Speaker 1: and I saw the guys and how far they were
Speaker 1: from like the other people were running, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is just a totally different human like.
Speaker 2: That you understand until you do this session and you're liken,
Speaker 2: these guys have been doing that, yeah, the whole way
Speaker 2: without stuffing and and I'm a professional athlete and I'll
Speaker 2: still struggle with that session.
Speaker 1: But you're different, but people are You're different type of running.
Speaker 1: That's eight hundred meters a lot smaller than like forty
Speaker 1: two ks, where you're a lot quicker than they would
Speaker 1: be over eight.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a marathon I would not
Speaker 2: not for experience.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do a marathon. Will never retire. I
Speaker 1: was kind of trying to suck it you into this,
Speaker 1: you know, and like you know, maybe.
Speaker 2: Come to an eight hundred, then we can negotiate him
Speaker 2: the two four hundreds.
Speaker 1: We're going to make this happen at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. We're gonna get you down at the Pausa
Speaker 1: and me and Nathan are gonna we're gonna embarrass ourselves.
Speaker 1: We're gonna show you off. I was like, we're getting
Speaker 1: ebarrass ourselves.
Speaker 2: He was very well over in Europe. He was moving
Speaker 2: around the track, was he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little feedback for Cruis. Yeah, it wasn't just
Speaker 1: a party over there.
Speaker 2: The boy was actually doing his work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got he had to play, you know, he
Speaker 1: had to play in finals. It was worth it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely legend, Absolute legend. Well there's any any setbacks along
Speaker 1: the way in your career? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably missing teams. I hated missing teams when it was
Speaker 2: so The first tea I I said was probably well
Speaker 2: juniors and probably like I was mad, but it was like,
Speaker 2: it's your first year in the sport. But I still
Speaker 2: I thought I should be good enough to make that team.
Speaker 2: And then nursing out of Commonwealth Games when was that
Speaker 2: twenty twenty fifteen, maybe about fourteen fourteen, and then missing
Speaker 2: out of World Champs twenty four fifteen and then finally
Speaker 2: like getting a breakthrough and making the Olympic team in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. But like I thought, I could have got
Speaker 2: some experience on the way to the Olympics, but I
Speaker 2: kept missing these teams and.
Speaker 1: I was like it sucked. It was original, just so
Speaker 1: I can knowed crazy guys that were there.
Speaker 2: It was still and those guys better than you.
Speaker 1: And did you ever have any injuries or anything along
Speaker 1: the way?
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming loft on eighteen in the Gold Coast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was really motivated to compete in Australia in front
Speaker 2: of home crowd and then I've got a stress fracture.
Speaker 1: Tragic.
Speaker 2: It was so just home crowd to home crawd two
Speaker 2: on TV car What the good thing is that had
Speaker 2: teammates competing there and it wash.
Speaker 1: So you still like did you get up there?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, as you stay home in Perth, stayed home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the conwork games just passed. Yeah, silver medal, Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty freaking impressive. Your boy was off the edge of yeah,
Speaker 1: edge of his seat, edge of his seat. Mate, give
Speaker 1: us a bit of a rundown. How that was Birmingham recently? Birmingham? Yeah, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how was that? How was that compared to Olympic Village
Speaker 1: Commonwealth Games? Like, I know, like obviously like there's less,
Speaker 1: less countries and everything else, but like what's comparatively like
Speaker 1: the big difference between.
Speaker 2: The two numbers for sure, and Commonwealth was a little
Speaker 2: bit split because of COVID that didn't finish the village,
Speaker 2: so we had really half of the teams were in
Speaker 2: in what were we when the University of Birmingham, so
Speaker 2: that's probably the biggest campus. But then they had different
Speaker 2: sports of different places, so it wasn't everyone in one village. Wow, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: so someone spread out a little bit spread out. But
Speaker 2: the best thing about it, hands down was the English
Speaker 2: get after this sport, so stay in Australia or the
Speaker 2: UK because they trust so many crowds, Like it was
Speaker 2: like the stadiums was full during the heats. Like when
Speaker 2: I was running that heat and I want my heat,
Speaker 2: the stadium was packed and I was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: you usually don't have that. And people like I don't
Speaker 2: even understand athletics. They us love sports and they just
Speaker 2: come and watch it's it's pretty cool. And then the
Speaker 2: finals unreal ever, Electric Electric Man especially having to do
Speaker 2: a lap around after you after you win a.
Speaker 1: Medal with the yeah, get the flag and go around
Speaker 1: like how cool is that?
Speaker 2: That's awesome? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That sold zach tu whoo after you won the Grand final,
Speaker 1: like you know, as iris flag and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that is it's so great, like proper representing where are
Speaker 1: you from and like just feeling like you're given back
Speaker 1: to the community that built the person that you are today.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, so that was probably is awesome because
Speaker 2: we didn't have any of that Like Tokyo, we've we've
Speaker 2: raced with no crowd at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I ask that after we'll finish this Birmingham story,
Speaker 1: so I want to know more about a bit of
Speaker 1: how that was and the mentality going into that and
Speaker 1: like you smashed the preheat and then you go into
Speaker 1: the final and you end up getting silver, Like what
Speaker 1: was what was what were you at three hundred meters?
Speaker 1: What was the mentality of three hundred meters?
Speaker 2: And I was so disappointed in that in that race
Speaker 2: because I just had in my head like I'm going
Speaker 2: to get that gold medal and I was pretty confident.
Speaker 2: So of course you don't you don't really show it
Speaker 2: because you feel like you want to medal and yeah,
Speaker 2: you're still successful. You wanted to be the best, that's
Speaker 2: that's what you had and there. Oh but yeah, as
Speaker 2: we said before, at three hundred, I knew exactly where
Speaker 2: I lost that race really and exactly like with two fifty,
Speaker 2: I usually make the move and I just go to
Speaker 2: the front with you, and at three hundred I was
Speaker 2: just there and for a split second I thought, nah,
Speaker 2: stay back, and then that's when I lost the race
Speaker 2: really because he made that move instead and it was gone,
Speaker 2: like you couldn't catch him.
Speaker 1: What was the move?
Speaker 2: Just like you go justcelerate once you got that jump.
Speaker 2: Once you get that jump, it's pretty hard and you
Speaker 2: usually like doing that jumping. You kind of just shock
Speaker 2: people and you just go and then if they try
Speaker 2: to respond too quick, they're overstride and they're tightening up
Speaker 2: and like that, which is I think. And the Kenyans
Speaker 2: are great at racing tactical. They get to the front
Speaker 2: and they pull the handbrake. Yeah, they pull the handbrake
Speaker 2: because whoever was at the front, it's a slow race.
Speaker 1: The bidding and control of the way everyone else paces
Speaker 1: off them. Is there a bit of drafting, what do
Speaker 1: you kind of draft like.
Speaker 2: In a fast race, but in a low race, you
Speaker 2: don't want to be stuck at the back, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: everyone's still got so much energy.
Speaker 1: Like, So Birmingham was a slow race. So was the
Speaker 1: because the heat you were quicker than the actual final.
Speaker 2: The heat was actually quicker. The heat we went through
Speaker 2: fifty fifty two. The final we went through fifty five.
Speaker 2: So it was a slow race. And who won the
Speaker 2: race is the top two that came ended up coming
Speaker 2: one and two because no one else is going to
Speaker 2: come from the back, and really, yeah, both of us.
Speaker 2: He's so tough to go around. So like with two fifty,
Speaker 2: man I was just spounted because I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I should have won that race. Yeah, And there was
Speaker 2: like and for the first time, there's like no excuses.
Speaker 2: You've you're an experienced athlete. Now you've come forth last
Speaker 2: year like before that you can kind of excuse us
Speaker 2: like your first final, your first this and that. But
Speaker 2: now you're to come off games and you're looking good
Speaker 2: in the heats, and I love the hype and everything
Speaker 2: that was around it. So I just wanted to get it.
Speaker 2: And and you like you like dream about that before
Speaker 2: you sleep when you think about it, and and then
Speaker 2: you're expecting the gold medal and then you have silver
Speaker 2: and what at the same time was the first international medal.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was super broad.
Speaker 2: And then you had the crowd, there had your coach
Speaker 2: and manager, and and then afterwards you just kind of
Speaker 2: go out and enjoy some time with your friends. And
Speaker 2: you can't just let it be because the medals, the
Speaker 2: medals and everything doesn't really what's about. It's not really
Speaker 2: what's about.
Speaker 1: That stuffs cool, but like the experiences, what it's about,
Speaker 1: the experience, journey. Everything else is like what you actually
Speaker 1: remember that metal? Like, man, I want some stuff. I
Speaker 1: have no idea. Where the hell? Yeah that's where would
Speaker 1: your metal be? Right now? Do you know? No idea exactly?
Speaker 1: Like you're like like that's cool, Like it's something to
Speaker 1: show that that happened, but I don't need that, Like
Speaker 1: it's more for other people to show. But for you,
Speaker 1: it's like, no, I lived and breathed that experience. I
Speaker 1: don't need anything from it, right.
Speaker 2: And you just you wouldn't Where the metal is, No,
Speaker 2: she don't know what it is, right. I think somewhere
Speaker 2: here that's gold. You know, I almost left it in
Speaker 2: it just when I was leaving Europe. Yeah, and my
Speaker 2: manager was driving me to the airport and they said, oh, ship,
Speaker 2: do you want your medal?
Speaker 1: Was forgotten about it.
Speaker 2: I almost forgot about it because after Birmingham I gave
Speaker 2: him the medal, and then because I went, I went
Speaker 2: on a holiday and I went whatever, and I came back,
Speaker 2: I completely forgot about in the medal and then he
Speaker 2: had to remind me. Otherwise you would probably be bringing
Speaker 2: him back. He's still in Europe, so I wouldn't see it.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't even see it, yeah, which wouldn't even matter now.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people have that like
Speaker 1: association with like, you know, people should love medals and
Speaker 1: cups and trophies and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: There's strinsic motivations, but I think internally, like the motivation
Speaker 2: to be the best and stuff like that means so
Speaker 2: much more.
Speaker 1: It's so true, man, it's totally really. Comedian Peter Haller
Speaker 1: came on. He talked about that, He talked about the
Speaker 1: journey was more important than the actual destination and like
Speaker 1: every person I talked to, it's so true that it
Speaker 1: was successful and like it's going to be amazing and
Speaker 1: like if not already, and that journey and the idea
Speaker 1: that like, you know, material stuff of winning is great,
Speaker 1: but like that's not what six of you like. That
Speaker 1: stuff gets put in the cabinet and shut away, you know,
Speaker 1: like the stuff you talk about is what actually stays
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 2: You don't even like someone's I went showed the metal
Speaker 2: to my family in Perth and someone said, oh, the
Speaker 2: medal doesn't actually say a hundred. I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I didn't even look at them and.
Speaker 1: Say eight hundred. Yeah, was it just like a generic
Speaker 1: metal generic medal? Like I don't even know, really, I
Speaker 1: didn't even have your name engraved on the back or anything.
Speaker 2: No, I doesn't.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't even know that until like
Speaker 2: I got back to Perth. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I just never even just like war for a bit
Speaker 1: and that was it. That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are this presentation, put it in a box
Speaker 2: and didn't really.
Speaker 1: Is it actually made of silver? Do you know this?
Speaker 1: I think? So, okay, let's just say so, just to
Speaker 1: make thee we'll go to Tokyo. Now, Tokyo unique experience
Speaker 1: with myself. Yeah, what was your like man, everyone was
Speaker 1: like down here. Everyone was like, yo, spoil, give me
Speaker 1: something to live for and your boy show us up.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, push on my back, push on
Speaker 1: my back. On the international level, I was that man,
Speaker 1: like crazy is like traveling COVID and one sure it
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. The Tokyo public wasn't homeson on at
Speaker 1: times and like like aware of it and wanting to
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, like it was just chaos, man, Like
Speaker 1: just chaos, and like you experienced Rio and it was
Speaker 1: like a proper Olympics, and then you go to Tokyo,
Speaker 1: which is just like this quasi asterisk of like this
Speaker 1: is what an Olympic experiences, you know, like what was
Speaker 1: the what was the feeling going into it, like you
Speaker 1: would have been were you nervous to travel? Like was
Speaker 1: it nervous to be there? Like you're not sure how
Speaker 1: it was going to be, like kind of looked out
Speaker 1: from a public standpoint. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we actually told m not to travel because of
Speaker 2: just produced the risk of COVID because we usually go
Speaker 2: to Europe and do European season before going over to Olympics.
Speaker 2: But I said, I said no, Like I did a
Speaker 2: session it's how confident I was for Tokyo. I did
Speaker 2: a session in Brisbane and I was like, man, I'm
Speaker 2: in shape and art and I messaged my agent and coach.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, we can't stay here because I
Speaker 2: was competing around Australia. I was like, no, we need
Speaker 2: proper competition. We need to go verse the best in
Speaker 2: the world who are going to be versing there, Like,
Speaker 2: let's just supply for an exemption and go to Europe,
Speaker 2: like with risk if you get COVID whatever it is.
Speaker 2: And and we actually went to Europe and our home
Speaker 2: racing in France. I got on the track and I
Speaker 2: raced against against all these Europeans and like all these
Speaker 2: like the best obviously, and and I want the race
Speaker 2: so easily, and I'm like really, And after that race,
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no way there's more than eight people
Speaker 2: in this world that can be faster than me. Right now,
Speaker 2: Like we just did that so easy. We're going to
Speaker 2: have a good Olympics. We're gonna have a great Olympics.
Speaker 2: And that's why I was so confident of the Olympics,
Speaker 2: because I've done all the work, and I've raced the
Speaker 2: whole year and like I knew if I could get
Speaker 2: my keep my motions together and nerves together and handle
Speaker 2: the pressure whatever it was. And good thing is I
Speaker 2: was like back and there was no pressure, like after
Speaker 2: breaking the strain record and the heat and everyone going crazy,
Speaker 2: like I was like, man, it was chill. Then in
Speaker 2: the semifinals, like there was so much hype, like in
Speaker 2: the context, like I went to the Olympics with with
Speaker 2: I think seven thousand followers.
Speaker 1: After that, they just kept growing seven thousand, Oh god,
Speaker 1: you did it, like five hundred.
Speaker 2: They just kept growing. So by the final I was
Speaker 2: in like forty eight thousand, so just that was the
Speaker 2: biggest jump. Yeah, So there was so much hype and
Speaker 2: like you could see so much hype. But the good
Speaker 2: thing is you can control the hype because you're just
Speaker 2: in social media.
Speaker 1: Just turn it off.
Speaker 2: You can your phone whatever, and you can accept whatever
Speaker 2: you want, and you can turn it off whenever you want.
Speaker 1: Did you do that going into the Olympics, So I
Speaker 1: kind of no. I was enjoying it, like I was experience.
Speaker 1: Bring everyone along.
Speaker 2: One night I was sitting there and I told I
Speaker 2: told my coach, I was like, man, because you see
Speaker 2: other athletes around you and you, and you're so invested
Speaker 2: in what they do and how they perform good and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and so many turn off their social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah stay come. And then I was like should I
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Damn Like I calmed, you can handle it. Some people
Speaker 1: can want to turn it off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just I just kept it and I
Speaker 2: was lying to some people when I could, and it
Speaker 2: just kind of gets your mind off of things and
Speaker 2: rather than just sit in bed and like that, especially
Speaker 2: because Tokyo is so dry with the Olympics, what else
Speaker 2: are you going to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, it's like, man, I think like whenever you
Speaker 1: have those unique experiences in life, you want to capture
Speaker 1: them and you want to have like you want to
Speaker 1: share with people, like, yeah, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've lived some pretty amazings, done some amazing things, and
Speaker 1: some of you and you come to the realization that
Speaker 1: things don't mean as much if you don't have the
Speaker 1: ability to share them with others, and like, whether it
Speaker 1: be social media, whether it be family, or whether it
Speaker 1: be friends or whatever, it is like those are the
Speaker 1: moments that you kind of like love the most. You
Speaker 1: might have one hundred thousand people in the stadium, but
Speaker 1: there's like you're performing for four people sometimes yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's like those are the people you know you'll catch
Speaker 1: up with after and like got your back and you
Speaker 1: want to like kind of you want to perform for
Speaker 1: them because they've supported you through all the tough times,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's so cool, Like there's not many
Speaker 1: people have the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 2: And plus like like why would you go to the
Speaker 2: biggest stage and do different things? Like I've never turned
Speaker 2: off my social media during normal races?
Speaker 1: What would you change?
Speaker 2: Why would you change it? I've never cut my family
Speaker 2: out just to focus on a race, Like why would
Speaker 2: I just got Olympic Games and say like, oh honeed,
Speaker 2: I need a break from you guys?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I think that would create even more anxiety around.
Speaker 1: I feel like you can't have to be even bigger
Speaker 1: as this, just keep everything normal. Yeah. Okay, So you
Speaker 1: get there very different, No Olympic village, you're kind of
Speaker 1: stuck in like your own somewhat like quasi area like
Speaker 1: I was. It was the village.
Speaker 2: It was just everything in the village wasn't like Okyo.
Speaker 1: So were you allowed to hang out with other countries
Speaker 1: you could.
Speaker 2: But it was very hard, like Australia was pretty strict. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and and I think athletes were pretty some of them
Speaker 2: were pretty scared to catch them. People were catching COVID,
Speaker 2: so like you didn't want to go all those Olympics'd
Speaker 2: be terrible catch COVID and the worst if you're not
Speaker 2: even sick and you can't compete. So everyone kind of
Speaker 2: just was sensible and keep it to themselves and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So it's just a bit strange.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a community vibe going to get dinner
Speaker 1: together and like hanging out and stuff like that. Like
Speaker 1: there's kind of this like anxiety around the place of
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be too.
Speaker 2: I think it actually made but I think it made
Speaker 2: the Australian team a bit closer because usually you can
Speaker 2: go out and hang out with everyone else, but now
Speaker 2: we just hung around with the Australian team. So I
Speaker 2: think the community and the connections got stronger with an
Speaker 2: Australian team because that's your building. So I was hanging
Speaker 2: out with the basketball players, I was hanging out. I've
Speaker 2: got to know so many more Australian athletes than I
Speaker 2: did previous Olympics because you were there. We had a
Speaker 2: coffee machine. Everyone there in the morning, we watched each
Speaker 2: other compete on the big TV. So you had like
Speaker 2: friends from Australian team. You just you didn't really mean
Speaker 2: to go outside of that idea. You stayed within your country.
Speaker 1: Who's one person you got close with on that trip
Speaker 1: probably my boy du up Reith, Yeah, because he's a
Speaker 1: Perth boy and knew him beforehand, n him beforehand.
Speaker 2: Never really hung out though, because we always he played
Speaker 2: basket in the US and then he played in Europe
Speaker 2: and then he was Yeah, we never really cross paths
Speaker 2: too much. So it was like great, like the Olympic Games,
Speaker 2: let's let's hang out, play a.
Speaker 1: Bit of FIFA.
Speaker 2: To play station there.
Speaker 1: Locked in Okay, Well then so you go there and
Speaker 1: it's like ue somewhat I said, but not too much
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to Olympics. Now was was there? I know,
Speaker 1: like the Tokyo public was very kind of like there's
Speaker 1: like from our image in Australia, right, So like I'm
Speaker 1: sitting at home watching TVs, nothing else to do, becase
Speaker 1: I'm locked in my house, I'm still looking at it
Speaker 1: and I'm like awesome, We've got the Olympics. It's doing it,
Speaker 1: like we're actually going forward with it. Like it's this
Speaker 1: crazy you know, get together people on the international stage.
Speaker 1: We didn't think it was going to be possible. Then
Speaker 1: they put this whole thing together. Was there, like was
Speaker 1: there that feeling that was like something very special that
Speaker 1: you were kind of doing something more than just sport,
Speaker 1: Like you were entertaining the world in a very tough
Speaker 1: time in a lot of people's lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean it was massive credit to Tokyo
Speaker 2: because it took a massive risk to alladder Games to
Speaker 2: continue because you know, with COVID and everything, no one
Speaker 2: wanted that many people into their country at the time.
Speaker 1: We've only recently just opened their borders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I mean Australia, there was no one. We
Speaker 2: Australian struggled to get back home. For Tokyo to take
Speaker 2: that and just let everyone leave their dreams. I mean,
Speaker 2: these are athletes that train for years and years to
Speaker 2: get to the Games, and I imagine if Tokyo just said,
Speaker 2: like it's too risky to take those games. So I
Speaker 2: think it was massive respect to them and there shouldn't
Speaker 2: be any complaints whether like okay, we weren't allowed to
Speaker 2: leave the village and and it wasn't as a great experience.
Speaker 2: I mean we went there at the end of the
Speaker 2: day to perform, and you put everything aside and you
Speaker 2: go there perform. And I think it was actually a
Speaker 2: successful game in terms of performance, like the basketball team
Speaker 2: did great Australia it did really good, which Australian track
Speaker 2: team did awesome. So it's just opportunity to perform. It
Speaker 2: didn't change like I mean, there's no crowds, but.
Speaker 1: Usually did you feel the difference no crowds were played
Speaker 1: in front of no crowds. It it's like a practice game.
Speaker 2: It's a bit weird, but usually you learned to block
Speaker 2: out the crowd much better, like Birmingham was so much
Speaker 2: in Tokyo. And then when I was watching the races
Speaker 2: online with like Bruce commentators brucey and and I was
Speaker 2: like I wish I was I was just sitting there
Speaker 2: watching so much better to watch on TV because you
Speaker 2: had brutish commentating and stuff like that, But when you
Speaker 2: were out running it was so quiet.
Speaker 1: Weird nice did you at least have like other Australians
Speaker 1: tune on and stuff was yeah, that was That was That.
Speaker 2: Was one of the most probably the most powerful moments
Speaker 2: I've had. The final was so hyphe and you had
Speaker 2: I've posted a photo on Twitter and I think I
Speaker 2: wrote Australia thank you, and there's a photo all my
Speaker 2: teammates and they're holding different signs and it was sick
Speaker 2: like you could hear them because the stadiums were yeah quiet, you.
Speaker 1: Can actually hear someone screaming your name.
Speaker 2: Was.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like there should be hype here and
Speaker 1: there should be nices, like the world is watching, but
Speaker 1: none of them are here.
Speaker 2: But I got to watch US versus Australian basketball and
Speaker 2: I actually enjoyed the stadiums being quiet because you could
Speaker 2: hear the players talking. You could hear everything. So it
Speaker 2: was like, wow, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: To like people don't really it's like what the actual
Speaker 1: stuff is. You can only you can hear things on
Speaker 1: this like on on the field, but like whenever you
Speaker 1: get to like the stands, you can't actually hear. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a weird thing of like this kind of
Speaker 1: somewhat of a barrier of like kind of audio, but
Speaker 1: if you're on like right next to it, you can
Speaker 1: hear everything.
Speaker 2: You can hear everything.
Speaker 1: That was kind of cool in an AFL standpoint, but
Speaker 1: then they started doing the crowd noise level. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: few boys dropping f arms, I think, and they're like,
Speaker 1: let's put some crowd noise in those plays. Need something else.
Speaker 1: But now it's awesome, man. I think like, it's a
Speaker 1: credit to you, man, Like you seriously were such an
Speaker 1: absolute star when it came to that, and you know,
Speaker 1: provide so much hope and I think like, just you know,
Speaker 1: capability for us to move on from this whenever you
Speaker 1: were doing it, and it's a credit to you. I know,
Speaker 1: I gained a lot from watching you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I was like fucking so impressed. And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: it's just so good, Like this guy's killing it. He's
Speaker 1: rubs in the country so well. And I was like,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't even an Australian citisen yet and I
Speaker 1: was so proud. I was like, man, this guy's doing it. Man,
Speaker 1: he's doing it right, you know, So massive credit to you, man.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just it's amazing to have you, man,
Speaker 1: amazing and get to know you better, like you're an
Speaker 1: absolute legend. You've done so many amazing things, and I'm
Speaker 1: excited for the future. Look what's next? What's next for you?
Speaker 2: I mean we might as well stop building up Paris
Speaker 2: to your yes, but we got my comments.
Speaker 1: When is it four? Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan, all right, we'll have to be retired?
Speaker 1: Then question mark? Question mark Paris? Okay, Budapest next year
Speaker 1: World Champs? When is that?
Speaker 2: What? August?
Speaker 1: Also in seasons I won't make I'll try to make Paris. Brother,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. It would be great man. But in all, honestly, seriously,
Speaker 1: all congratulations. Yeah, absolutely killed the man. You've You've represented
Speaker 1: the country so well. We're all behind you. We're all
Speaker 1: really excited about the future for you. And don't drink
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Speaker 1: want to put out there in the sphere any uh
Speaker 1: you can. You can book them online through his website
Speaker 1: for interviews, correct speaking gigs, speaking gigs for your companies
Speaker 1: and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Oh, you can literally come come on a run. I'm
Speaker 2: always running around.
Speaker 1: Or you can watch us do an eight hundred meter
Speaker 1: relay versus this eight hundred meter sprint. You can, you're
Speaker 1: gonna make get You can guess their time we're gonna
Speaker 1: put that. Yeah, I guess the time. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: like eight minutes. We're going to get at But now, honestly, man, seriously,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on. You're an absolute legend
Speaker 1: and I want to wish you all the best. Now
Speaker 1: I'll be watching very very closely, and it's an absolute
Speaker 1: honor to actually have you here and get to know
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Speaker 1: Thank damn.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 1: Have a great ta sen