1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: The European Union has passed the law, effectively banning the 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: sale of new petrol and diesel cars by twenty thirty five. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: It raises concerns for the Motor Trade Association, which say 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: that Australia must not follow suit. To shed some further 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: light on why is Tom Edwards, the Motor Trade Association spokesperson, 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: good morning to you, Tom. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. How's it going? 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, really good? Thank you so much for your time 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: this morning, Tom. If introduced, will this effectively force drivers 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: to well adopt electric vehicles. 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: Fectually in the European Union? That is correct, and so 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: our very strong methods share in Australia is that we 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: don't want to distort market intervention. We want to make 14 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: sure that we approach. 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: And accelerate electric geggles in a pragmatic and practical way, 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 3: and we're very much in favor of evings, so we 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: think we need to do it in a sensible way, 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: particularly given the fact that the European market is uniquely 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 3: different to Australia. One example in the Norway, which is 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 3: seen as largely the electric vehicle leader amongst many other countries. 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: They sell about eighty percent of their new carss each 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: year are electric vehicles, but that only equates to twenty 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: percent of the overall cars on their roads right. Compare that, 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: for example, through the territory only one percent or not 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: even one percent of all new cars last years with 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: ev So we've been a long way to go. 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: We're saying we're in favor of it, but let's make 28 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: sure we do it the right way. 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and do it in a way that you 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: know that we're ready for as well, I guess even 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: when it comes to infrastructure and that kind of thing 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: for us here on the territory, absolutely. 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: There are a lot of issues for us to work 34 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: through and we're very committed to it, but we are 35 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: a little bit behind the able compared to our European counterparts. 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: The things like you touch on charging infrastructure, making sure 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: that there is enough adequate charging networks to be able 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: to actually make sure your car can go from point 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: A to point there are a range of things to consider, 40 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: and also not just charging, but also the price and 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: particularly compared in the territory for utes, which we know 42 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 2: are the overall favorite model for territories, and paying over 43 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars for an EVU probably just doesn't 44 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: pass the buck. A lot of people. 45 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, that's been the biggest thing, hasn't it. Like 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: I think in theory it's it's wonderful to think, let's 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: all drive electric vehicles, but it can be incredibly expensive 48 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: to make that transition. 49 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: It can be, and also not just in the sense 50 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: of the expense, but if, for example, you want to 51 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: drive a ute and it's an electric vehicle, your payload 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: and towing capacity is limited. So again we're in favor 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: of it, but we're saying we're saying, let's have a 54 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: maturer conversation and see what it actually means on the ground. 55 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: And that's why has contributed towards the National Electric Vehicle 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: Strategy hopefully released shortly, and making sure that for the 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: everyday person who does want to be environmentally conscious that 58 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: is actually possible for them without hurting their pockets. 59 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: Tom What does it mean though? As well? Like you know, 60 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: for most of us, you've either got a diesel or 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: a petrol car. Even if you get to the point 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: where then you're going, all right, well I'm going to 63 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: go electric. Are you going to be able to trade 64 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: it in in the same way that you usually would 65 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm assuming not if we're getting to the point where 66 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: you're phasing them out. 67 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And so one of our main concerns 68 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: is that if we do adopt similar short term benchmarks, 69 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: which the European Union has done, it means that the 70 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: trading value of existing petrol and diesel cars would effectively plummet. Now, 71 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: obviously we don't want that because we want to make 72 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: sure that people can use the value of their existing 73 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: car to upgrade to an electric vehicle. So what we're 74 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: saying is, yes, we're in favor of electric vehicles, but 75 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: let's not punish people who can not afford it those 76 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: high prices for electric vehicles by effectively putting amount of 77 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: the market. 78 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: So where are we at right now in Australia? What 79 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: is the policy? I know that you mentioned that there 80 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: is a I think you said a review underway, But 81 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: what do you think we're going to move to here? 82 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: I think we definitely are increasing our electric vehicle stalles. 83 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: Then that's really qualities and we are supportive of it, 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: but probably in the short term anyway, the biggest player 85 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: and contributor will be hybrids. Hybrids are becoming more and 86 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: more popular and Additionally, for the territory where we do 87 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: have a lot of trucking, a lot of heavy commercial vehicles, 88 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: hydrogen will also be a player in it. We see 89 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: that to start to come up. So I think there's 90 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: a broad range of things. Australia definitely is behind the 91 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: able compared to some of the European nations, but that 92 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: also provides us an opportunity to do things which to 93 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: avoid doing things which they've done wrong. We are picking 94 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: out there is a long way to go. 95 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had heard that, you know, hydrogen is going 96 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: to be the way that we sort of move as 97 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: well when it comes to our vehicles, and we still 98 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: it sounds as though we're still a little while away 99 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: from that though we. 100 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: Are and there are some manufacturers who have invested in it. 101 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: But again it's another option for both industry, both commercial 102 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: and also for everyday people. But we are a little 103 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: bit long ways to go, and that is why hybrids 104 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: are probably the most popular alternative type positive vehicle. Yeah, 105 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: there are more and more people getting events. We're saying it, 106 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: but like I said, the territory only having about one 107 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: percent of Utah. 108 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: Two, we are a little bit of well motor trade 109 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Association spokesperson Tom Edwards, It's always great to catch up 110 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: with you. Thank you so very much for having a 111 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: chat with us about this one this morning. Thanks so much, 112 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: thank you.